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Democratic pollster Peter Hart, who conducts the Journal/NBC polls with Republican pollster Bill McInturff, called the latest poll a "myth-buster" that showed the pastor controversy is "not the beginning of the end for the Obama campaign."

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The racially charged debate over Barack Obama's relationship with his longtime pastor hasn't much changed his close contest against Hillary Clinton, or hurt him against Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain, according to a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll.

Democratic pollster Peter Hart, who conducts the Journal/NBC polls with Republican pollster Bill McInturff, called the latest poll a "myth-buster" that showed the pastor controversy is "not the beginning of the end for the Obama campaign."

But both Democrats, and especially New York's Sen. Clinton, are showing wounds from their prolonged and increasingly bitter nomination contest, which could weaken the ultimate nominee for the general-election showdown against Sen. McCain of Arizona. Even among women, who are the base of Sen. Clinton's support, she now is viewed negatively by more voters than positively for the first time in a Journal/NBC poll.

The latest survey has the Democratic rivals in a dead heat, each with 45% support from registered Democratic voters. That is a slight improvement for Sen. Obama, though a statistically insignificant one, from the last Journal/NBC poll two weeks ago, which had Sen. Clinton leading among Democratic voters, 47% to 43%.

While Sen. Clinton still leads among white Democrats, her edge shrank to eight points (49% to 41%) from 12 points in early March (51% to 39%). That seems to refute widespread speculation -- and fears among Sen. Obama's backers -- that he would lose white support for his bid to be the nation's first African-American president over the controversy surrounding his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. of Chicago.

Had that erosion happened, party leaders' reassessment of Sen. Obama's electability could have tipped the race to Sen. Clinton's favor. Weathering the episode could strengthen his standing among the party leaders nationwide -- the superdelegates -- whose votes are likely to break the impasse.

Beyond the nomination race, in hypothetical matchups for November's election Sen. Obama still edges Sen. McCain 44% to 42%. That is nearly the same result as in the early March poll, before videos of Mr. Wright's most fiery sermons spread over the Internet. But Sen. Clinton, who likewise had a narrow advantage over Sen. McCain in the earlier survey, trails in this one by two points, 44% to his 46%.

The poll was conducted Monday and Tuesday, a week after Sen. Obama delivered a generally well-received address on race. The poll's margin for error is 3.7 percentage points for questions put to a cross-section of 700 registered voters, and slightly higher for those questions put only to subgroups of Democratic, Republican or black voters.

As reassuring as the poll is for Sen. Obama, Mr. Hart and Mr. McInturff agreed that it did indicate that a substantial number of voters question whether the first-term senator would be a safe choice, or whether more needs to be known about him. Mr. McInturff said some voters are wondering, "Do we know enough about this guy?"

While the senator's support among Democrats is little changed, he did slip among conservatives and Republican voters, groups that had shown some attraction to Sen. Obama's message of changing partisan politics in Washington.

"I think the survey does indicate that this has taken a little of the patina off Sen. Obama," Mr. McInturff said.

But the pollster also saw "some evidence here that Sen. Obama's speech did him well." The candidate's support for his handling of the Wright matter was stronger among those voters who said they saw his 37-minute speech.

In the Philadelphia address, which Sen. Obama wrote and titled "A More Perfect Union," he criticized his former pastor for his condemnations of the U.S. for its injustices to blacks, but refused to renounce him.

He also sought to explain to both blacks and whites the grievances that each holds against the other, while urging both to recognize their real enemies are shared ones -- chiefly economic and educational inequality, and the job losses from globalization.

The Clinton campaign had steered clear of the Wright controversy, until Sen. Clinton this week told interviewers she would have found a new minister had hers made the remarks Mr. Wright did. Sen. Obama for two decades has attended the 8,000-member Chicago church where Mr. Wright, who retired recently, was pastor.

The negativity of the Obama-Clinton contest seems to be hurting Sen. Clinton more, the poll shows. A 52% majority of all voters says she doesn't have the background or values they identify with. But 50% say Sen. Obama does share their values, and 57% agree that Sen. McCain does.

Also, fewer voters hold positive views of Sen. Clinton than did so just two weeks ago in the Journal/NBC poll. Among all voters, 48% have negative feelings toward her and 37% positive, a decline from a net positive 45% to 43% rating in early March. While 51% of African-American voters have positive views, that is down 12 points from earlier this month, before the Wright controversy.

More ominous for Sen. Clinton is the net-negative rating she drew for the first time from women, one of the groups where she has drawn most support. In this latest poll, voters with negative views narrowly outstrip those with positive ones, 44% to 42%. That compares with her positive rating from 51% of women in the earlier March poll.

Both she and Sen. Obama showed five-point declines in positive ratings from white voters. But where she is viewed mostly negatively, by 51% to 34% of whites, Sen. Obama's gets a net positive rating, by 42% to 37%. Among all voters, he maintained a significant positive-to-negative score of 49% to 32%--similar to Sen. McCain's 45% to 25%.

The toll on both Democrats from their rhetorical brawling is evident in these poll findings: About a fifth of Clinton voters say they would support Sen. McCain if she isn't the Democratic nominee, and likewise a fifth of Obama voters say they would do the same if he isn't the party standard-bearer.

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Quick! I need an infusion of "cork-spin"(TM)

Hillary's negatives in this poll are amazing. The really crazy thing is that this is before her being busted for lying and before her invoking Rev. Wright.

But wait, Johnson our resident prevaricator and race-baiter says its over for Obama because all of the US thinks he's a black separatist and America-hater.

How can this be oh great one-note wonder?

Did anyone see her on Fox? That should help Barrack.

Yep, saw her last night. Had to look twice, though. Based on the questions, I thought they were interviewing Bush in drag.

Even among women, who are the base of Sen. Clinton's support, she now is viewed negatively by more voters than positively for the first time in a Journal/NBC poll.

She's lost the chick vote?

The fat lady has sung at last.

Be Well.

I wonder if the people polled knew that Wright thinks that the US Government runs the KKK, or that he makes slurs about Italians.
www.drudge.com

Rather a one-note wonder than a no-note blunder.

If she is able to win the Pennsylvania primary, she'll keep draging this out.

I hope she loses, and gets out, and lets Obama get on with his campaign against McCain.

or that he makes slurs about Italians.

Well, to be precise, just the ones who were alive at the time of Christ and who were responsible for his death.

Sure, Gal. No currently living Italians would be offended by that remark. That's like saying I only call dead black people "niggers."

I wonder if the people polled knew that Wright thinks that the US Government runs the KKK, or that he makes slurs about Italians.

What this poll shows is that people are smart enough to realize that what Rev. Wright has to say is in no way reflective of Sen. Obama. People, other than the Hannity and Bill O types, could care less.

Sure, Gal. No currently living Italians would be offended by that remark. That's like saying I only call dead black people "niggers."

I'm not sure how many Italians today, especially Catholics, closely identify with the Roman Empire.

The Rasmussen poll, which is usually the most accurate,....
(Rasmussen Reports' Election 2006 coverage has been praised for its accuracy and reliability. Michael Barone, Senior Writer for U.S. News & World Report and co-author of The Almanac of American Politics, mentions, "One clear lesson from the Republican victory of 2004 and the Democratic victory of 2006 is that the best place to look for polls that are spot on is RasmussenReports.com." And University of Virginia Professor Larry Sabato states, "In election campaigns, I've learned to look for the Rasmussen results. In my experience, they are right on the money. There is no question Rasmussen produces some of the most accurate and reliable polls in the country today."

Rasmussen Reports was also the nation's most accurate polling firm during the 2004 Presidential election and the only one to project both Bush and Kerry's vote total within half a percentage point of the actual outcome.)
...has THIS to say in it's daily presidential poll.

www.rasmussenreports.com

"I'm not sure how many Italians today, especially Catholics, closely identify with the Roman Empire."

Just like many African-Americans today don't identify with ancient African tribes. That doesn't mean that someone can make slurs about those tribes without offending those currently living.

I wonder if the people polled knew that Wright thinks that the US Government runs the KKK, or that he makes slurs about Italians.


I wonder if you'll ever learn to separate one person's views from another person's views. Typical far right, avoid the stuff that actually matters and focus on the fluff.

I'm not sure how many Italians today, especially Catholics, closely identify with the Roman Empire.


Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2008-03-27 01:57 PM | Reply

You know what they do identify with though? Italian stereotypes about noses and garlic.

Hypocrisy amongst the obamites continues.

I wonder if the people polled knew that Wright thinks that the US Government runs the KKK, or that he makes slurs about Italians.

----

Does anybody think Obama would consult Wright about government policy issues?

There's nothing wrong with looking into a person who was Obama's pastor for 20 years and who Obama referred to as his "spiritual mentor." It's a way of learning more about who a candidate associates himself with. What Obama says about himself has the potential to be self-serving. I don't blindly trust him, and frankly, I think he has been very vague about what he plans to do with this country. Another reason to look deeper into his personal relationships with others.

What this poll shows is that people are smart enough to realize that what Rev. Wright has to say is in no way reflective of Sen. Obama.

Exactly TM and the dumb fucks among us (see their posts) weren't going to vote for Obama to begin with.

Hence, no effect.

Carry on.....

"I wonder if the people polled knew that Wright thinks that the US Government runs the KKK, or that he makes slurs about Italians."



Speaking of the KKK, where's my man Ron Paul these days?
Sincerely,
David Duke

I wonder if you'll ever learn to separate one person's views from another person's views. Typical far right, avoid the stuff that actually matters and focus on the fluff.

Posted by dfiant at 2008-03-27 02:07 PM | Reply


I wonder if you'll learn to seperate criticism of St Obama from a specific political ideology?
You see dumbshit, there are people left of center, center, and right of center that don't like him.

Typical Obamaballbuffer, avoid the fact he can't even sew up the Dem nomination and focus on the legit criticisms.

Hypocrisy amongst the obamites continues.

Posted by 101Chairborne


You're just still pissed that your Honkey Boy got shot down by a bunch of Gooks.

Did he really lose 5 aircraft during his short, lying in a bird cage career?

You're just still pissed that your Honkey Boy got shot down by a bunch of Gooks.


Did he really lose 5 aircraft during his short, lying in a bird cage career?

Posted by Manypaths at 2008-03-27 02:15 PM | Reply |


I can't stand McCain, but he's better than the alternatives.
He's a bad pilot, a bad Republican, and apparently a horrible husband.

Look, I just hope the crazy fucker gets elected so I can be entertained.

Seriously though, does anybody have any info on how Wright has affected Obama's policy making?

Manypaths.

Are you 12 or just a mean and vile person.
I suspect it is the latter.
YOu parents should be embarassed.


Manypaths.

Are you 12 or just a mean and vile person.
I suspect it is the latter.
YOu parents should be embarassed.

Posted by timbci at 2008-03-27 02:20 PM | Reply


He's hilarious, and a welcomed change from the usual "frank55" and "northguy" brand of liberal loser humor.

The truth is vile at times huh?

YOu parents should be embarassed.

Poor Skippy.

I heard a quote from Michelle Obama from Jan 23rd I think and she said somthing like "your comfortable with your racist stereotypes and that's America"

Ain't nobody ever done called Barack Obama a bad pilot!
Sincerely,
Rev Wright


I heard a quote from Michelle Obama from Jan 23rd I think and she said somthing like "your comfortable with your racist stereotypes and that's America"

Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2008-03-27 02:28 PM | Reply


I love stereotypes. The retort as a whole loves them too...Unless they're about blacks.

We all judge people. It's human nature. I don't see the problem with using stereotypes until you get to know the actual person.

They are around for a reason.

eric that quote would also be grammaticaly correct with single quotation marks,

regards

truth hurts

Beyond the nomination race, in hypothetical matchups for November's election Sen. Obama still edges Sen. McCain 44% to 42%.

Rasumussen has McCain with a 10 point lead and 20% of Clinton's supporters will vote McCain...

rasmussenreports.com

Sure it hasn't hurt him...

I love stereotypes. The retort as a whole loves them too...Unless they're about blacks


unless its a black muslim ;)

That's like saying I only call dead black people "niggers."

Posted by JOE at 2008-03-27 01:54 PM


So now we are worried about offending dead black people? We are getting a bit ridiculous don't you think?

"Another reason to look deeper into his personal relationships with others."

Yeah, more tabloid-style reporting on serious candidates is just what the doctor ordered. But getting TMZ and US Weekly to lower their hard-ons for past and present 15 year old Disney Channel "stars" is going to be tough.

"Rasumussen has McCain with a 10 point lead and 20% of Clinton's supporters will vote McCain... "

Ah yes. Rasmussen...the poll that insists on being different.

www.realclearpolitics.com

How affirmative action of you, Rob.


What this poll shows is that people are dumb enough not to realize that what Rev. Wright has to say is reflective of Sen. Obama and the black culture.

Hence, the dumbfucks that are too blinded by clor dont care what relationships he has with a extremist race baiter like Rev. Wright


Carry on.....

"What this poll shows is that people are dumb enough not to realize that what Rev. Wright has to say is reflective of Sen. Obama and the black culture. "

No, what it shows is that a black man can respect his elders within the black community but still think for himself. It shows that most Americans realize that. It shows that those who now are so concerned about the statements of Rev. Wright would never have voted for Barack Obama anyway.

My Grand Uncle refers to Obama as a 'nigger'. He's an old coot and grew up in different times.

I love my Grand Uncle.

I have had dinner at his house many times. Even a Christmas or two.

We don't agree on everything.

Did I mention that I love him and he has been a big part of my life for as long as I can remember?

He has feelings that I do not share. He's still family and I respect him dearly.

Carry on Cheese Hunter......

Trent Lott, Strom Thurmond.

Bush haters...take a look at GW's numbers in this huge survey. %

44Dems, 17 Indy , 34 Repub , 5 Huh? Whadyasay?


41 really hate him
13 kinda... don't approve of him
12 are numb one way or the other
17 are pretty sure they like him
16 love him
1 don't give a shit

You guys need to step it up. 59% aren't rabid Bush haters. Who'a a thunk it...

Ah, speaking of Senators Keep Dark Down.......

Ah, speaking of Senators Keep Darky Down.......

I'm not sure how many Italians today, especially Catholics, closely identify with the Roman Empire.


Posted by Gal_Tuesday

The Roman empire was a great empire but, like so many, broke under its own weight. Italians do still identify with the Roman empire, even though most are Catholics. The Romans gave the world many innovations in engineering, government, science, etc. The fact is that the society lasted for about eight hundred years. One hundred years from now, will Americans be ashamed of their country because of GWB or even slavery in the early part of its history? I don't think so. History has to be looked at in its totality not by cherry-picking events or even small periods of time.

...has THIS to say in it's daily presidential poll.

www.rasmussenreports.com


Posted by jestgettinalong



"Rasmussen Markets data now give Obama a 79.8% chance to win the Democratic nomination while expectations for a Clinton victory are at 19.8%. Market data also suggests that Obama has a 48.0% chance to become the next President. Expectations for McCain to become President are at 39.7% while Clinton's prospects are at 13.4%. Numbers in this paragraph are from a prediction market, not a poll. Using a trading format where traders "buy and sell" candidates, issues, and news features, the Rasmussen Markets harness competitive passions to provide a reliable leading indicator of upcoming events. We invite you to participate in the Rasmussen.."

www.americanthinker.com




There's mounting evidence that at least some of Obama's faithful intend to see a black American president sworn in next year -- no matter what it takes.


Earlier this month, popular black author and talk-show host Tavis Smiley disclosed death threats he'd received from those accusing him of blasphemy against their black prophet. Then, at Saturday's Smiley-hosted State of the Black Union forum, Congressional Black Caucus member Stephanie Tubbs Jones lent credence to Smiley's claim by suggesting that many black elected officials not swearing allegiance to Obama have also been the target of violent threats.


While widely ignored by the mainstream media, the implications here are nothing short of momentous.

Earlier this month, popular black author and talk-show host Tavis Smiley disclosed death threats he'd received from those accusing him of blasphemy against their black prophet. Then, at Saturday's Smiley-hosted State of the Black Union forum, Congressional Black Caucus member Stephanie Tubbs Jones lent credence to Smiley's claim by suggesting that many black elected officials not swearing allegiance to Obama have also been the target of violent threats.
Posted by stuart46


Where are we, f-ing Kenya?? Burma? Turkmenistan?? WTF.

blogs.abcnews.com

She will have to "break his back," the official said. She will have to destroy Obama, make Obama completely unacceptable.

"Her securing the nomination is certainly possible - but it will require exercising the 'Tonya Harding option.'" the official said. "Is that really what we Democrats want?"

The Tonya Harding Option -- the first time I've heard it put that way.

It implies that Clinton is so set on ensuring that Obama doesn't get the nomination, not only is she willing to take extra-ruthless steps, but in the end neither she nor Obama win the gold.




She's staying in cause she's gonna take him out...soon! Denver better stock up on tear gas and riot gear.

Kerrin - I think it was Maureen Dowd who has been using "Tonya Harding" to describe HRC as someone who, if she couldn't have the nomination, would "kneecap" her opponent so that he couldn't get it either. Essentially throwing the Presidency to McCain just to pay back Obama.

It's called "Establishment before Party" MrFair.

"Tuesday, March 25, 2008

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday shows Looking ahead to the General Election in November, John McCain continues to lead both potential Democratic opponents. McCain leads Barack Obama 50% to 41% and Hillary Clinton 48% to 43% (see recent daily results).

McCain is viewed favorably by 55% of voters nationwide and unfavorably by 42%.

Obama's reviews are 46% favorable and 52% unfavorable.

For Clinton, those numbers are 45% favorable, 52% unfavorable"

There are polls and there are polls.

speaking of tanya harding and ice skating

whats colder then dry ice?

i'll tell you whats colder

oksana

"So now we are worried about offending dead black people?"

How did you get that from my post? I made an analogy. Saying offensive things about Italians while telling a story about dead people doesn't make the statements unoffensive. Do you get it yet?

They'll start talking about Graduation Rankings and Multiple Plane Crashes soon enough there Begg.

Again, McCain has a better chance of being in a grave then a pararde come January.

Let the debates begin...

i am psyched to see mccain get his buttocks handed to him in a debate against obama

will be hillarious

maybe mccain will get mad and yell :)

Many - I'm afraid you could be right. McCain is fossilizing before our very eyes.

"McCain is fossilizing before our very eyes."

He looks terrible these days.
themave.com

McCain is fossilizing before our very eyes."

Be Well.

I don't know about that, Deth. His teeth have yellowed, but overall, for an 85 year old... farm1.static.flickr.com

I am not saying that the GOP would EVER pull a stunt like this but I have to ask the question......

Who would decide the 'Replacement Candidate' should McCain be unable to remain on the ticket come November?

What if the 'event' that causes him to be unable to do so happens on October 30th?

Could the election be *gasp* delayed???

(Say it ain't so.......)

The recent controversy over comments made by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright does not appear to have undermined support for Sen. Barack Obama's presidential candidacy, according to the latest Pew Research survey.

The poll finds that Obama maintains a 49% to 39% advantage over Sen. Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination, which is virtually unchanged from than the 49% to 40% lead he held among Democrats in late February.

Key finding: "The new polling suggests that the Wright affair has not hurt Obama's standing, in part because his response to the controversy has been viewed positively by voters who favor him over Clinton. Obama's handling of the Wright controversy also won a favorable response from a substantial proportion of Clinton supporters and even from a third of Republican voters."
March 27, 2008


politicalwire.com

Yep, there are polls....

I don't know about that, Deth. His teeth have yellowed, but overall, for an 85 year old... farm1.static.flickr.com

Ha! If McAncient gets elected then that would make two presidential GOPhers in a row who like to stuff nuts in their mouths. Of course, in McCains case, it's
Wal-NutZ!

In Dumbya case it's Jeff Gannon's nuts, mostly ...or an entire college football teams!

Chimpy's favorite cheer to lead back in his Yalie Daze?

Give me a D, give me an I, give me a C...

Back to McInsane fer moment although the guy is clearly older than dirt you sure can't fault his patriotism. Have ya seen his shiny new electioneering suit?

^_^

Wheeeeee! This is FUN, isn't it?

Woo Hoo!

Be Well.

Null - ff!

As for an alternate GOP - Mike Huckabee of course.

FF for Spud.

Wait till the masses see the house the reverand is having built.. God works in mysterious ways. And he pays well, obviously.

The relentless politically-correct brain-washing has paid off:

Irreguardless of behaviour, black people cannot possibly be held accountable for despicable views and black people cannot be racist!

Only Don Imus and Rush Limbaugh can get kicked under the bus for offensive remarks, because (it follows) ONLY WHITE PEOPLE CAN BE RACIST.

MLK Jr. would be so proud!

"Irreguardless " isn't a word. Neither is irregardless, although the spell checker thinks so.

Do you get it yet?

Posted by JOE at 2008-03-27 04:51 PM


nope! probably never will.

Rev Wright is a Black Preacher. they ALL speak in that flowery exaggerating way... some are better than others some are more inspiring than others.

Personally I do not like many PREACHERS at all (black or white). I do NOT like that form of communication. I prefer a more Academic environment that allows for an EXCHANGE of ideas from between the student and the teacher and between the students more like in a classroom.

But religious nuts eat this stuff up like candy...or a drug.

And your attempts to keep trying to make Obama out to be racist by association to Rev Wright are pitiful and immature (or plain dishonest) and only go to highlight the depth of the problems facing this Nation.

And in your zeal you continue to ignore the white preachers who are doing the very same things... only in a kinder gentler WHITE way... you know them...

Pat Robertson
Jerry Falwell
Ted Haggard
John Hagee
Fred Phelps (in a not so kind white way!)


and now... lets not forget the the influence on Hillary the "secret" Fellowship, who knows what kind of creepy things they have been saying. Have you read this shit?

The Family is, in its own words, an "invisible" association...~~~ In a document entitled "Our Common Agreement as a Core Group," members of the Family are instructed to form a "core group," or a "cell," which is defined as "a publicly invisible but privately identifiable group of companions." A document called "Thoughts on a Core Group" explains that "Communists use cells as their basic structure. The mafia operates like this, and the basic unit of the Marine Corps is the four man squad. Hitler, Lenin, and many others understood the power of a small core of people." ... And what the Family desired, from Abraham Vereide to Doug Coe to Bengt, was power, worldly power, with which Christ's kingdom can be built, cell by cell. ~~~



What the hell is that? Some kind of Power Cult?

Gets weirder and weirder everyday.

Drag it all out. Let that Sunshine IN!

Who wants to know if Cindy and John sunbathe in the nude.

Pretty common in Arizona.

What was for breakfast at the Obama house.

Is Jomama cooking pancakes?

Maybe the private lives of our news team would prove interesting.

We already know what Rush likes to do, How About Hannity?

The List Goes On.

McTaint's pastor calling Catholics 'Terrorists' doesn't seem to have hurt Johnny Boy.

Oh bullshit. This pollster thinks people are dumb.

Obama's on tv today saying if his pastor had not stepped down recently he wouldn't have felt comfortable staying at the church.

That tells me Obama's internal polling ain't looking none to good. Why else would he get his pastor to resign if it weren't hurting him?

There's much more to come out on Obama. As soon as they think they've put this fire out (which they can't, it'll come back before november) they'll have to deal with the Rezko and friends issue.

The vetting of Obama has just begun.

Put a fork in him. He's done.

Just like many African-Americans today don't identify with ancient African tribes. That doesn't mean that someone can make slurs about those tribes without offending those currently living.

Posted by JOE at 2008-03-27 01


joe joe joe/

I am not telling to stop and give it up because I wont either but you are beating a dead horse here because our liberal bros here on the DR just wont stand for this kind of truth to be continued without apologies and nonsense. and pretty soon, they will get personal with you as well. they just arent used to this mirror being forced upon thier true selves.

I know this queston will be met with the usual liberal, democrat playbook, moveon.org comment but did anyone else hear hannity yesterday with the black preacher who said that he had proof that obamas mother was a white whore who had adultious relationships with many men. now I know what some of you are going to say about this charge but this was a black preacher and he called his mother wellknown white trash.....and to his credit, hannity really went after him on that comment but the preacher stood by it.
the preacher also said something interesting. he said that obama insulted every black preacher when he said that over 20 years he didnt know just what the rasicst hatemonger had said. this preacher said that after 20 years if obama didnt know what he was saying, then wright must not have been very good.

AND IN ADDITION........is there info here about what I heard today.....that orpah used to be a member of this church and left because of the inflammatory bullshit from this racists, classwar hate monger?
anyone else hear that?

and AGAIN for those of you who so readily write out all of the names of the white televangelist and such to use as an example of mccain being like obama in this issue....SAVE YOUR TIME.........its different...mccain didnt sit in thier pews for 20 years and keep his children there to hear it...and if you are keeping your children exposed to this hate filled rhetoric.....( US OF KKK).....how in the hell does this mean you are going to bring us all together?

Do you know why people think you're an idiot BLT?

You compound your ignorance with accusations against others that denigrates their integrity.

I guess you've been a snotty little bastard since grade school.

Why don't you curl and blow your horn.

Posted by Pirate at 2008-03-27 02:11 PM

Does anybody think Obama would consult Wright about government policy issues?

He doesn't need to. After a 20 year apprenticeship as a racist studying at the feet of the master racist, he's on his own. Since he shares Rev. Wright's and Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam racist views, no consultation is necessary.


"Since (Obama) shares Rev. Wright's and Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam racist views..."

And your proof of this is...?

Proof? What more proof do you need?!!

answers.yahoo.com

Obama's racist predilections are coming to the fore.

The black politicians championed loosening up the credit restrictions that affected black people seeking to buy property. Home ownership among blacks was high, but the pandering to the crowd and the mantra of victimization sought to extend the opportunity to own a home to those who would qualify for subprime loans. A substantial portion of this group is black.

The loans were made, loans for which there was not a reasonable prospect of repayment.

Now Obama wants the American taxpayers "to assume the position" as he champions bailing out this group. If they can't maintain payments on their homes, who can? Why John Q. Taxpayer, of course,

So "Afrocentric" Obama will support programs whose basic beneficiaries are blacks.

Obama would be President of all of the people, but would advocate asset transfers to benefit "Afro-linked people. Makes sense to me. It's consistent with the doctrine he's heard espoused and stayed with for some 20 years.

I wonder if Obsama has promised his pastor, Rev. Wright that "If elected, I pledge to uncover the nefarious HIV infection program sponsored by the U.S. Government to destroy blacks." Since Rev. Wright supports "getting even," I wonder if they now need to develop an "infection program" to be developed by the feds that only infects white folks. Hate and wait. And the day is coming.

And your proof of this is...?

Tiny Johnson doesn't require or provide proof.

Tiny is an obvious, albeit unadmitted, racist of the highest order (That means he knows how to spell his twisted shit, at least) who's entire raison d'etre is too stir the stink and smell up the place.

He has zero cred.

His cred is actually well into the negatives by now.

Anyone who takes him and his posts as anything other than racist slurs, slanders and innuendo is a fool.

Johnson lives to hate.

Johnson loves to hate

Johnson hates to love.

Be Well.

Posted by donnerboy at 2008-03-27 02:53 PM

That's like saying I only call dead black people "niggers."

Posted by JOE at 2008-03-27 01:54 PM

So now we are worried about offending dead black people? We are getting a bit ridiculous don't you think?

Isn't this about dead black people. donnerboy?

Isn't it about slavery in America in the past, and what have you? The wrongs done to dead people?

Black slavery today in black and Arab Africa is another matter. Only the "white slaveowners" are culpable. The blacks who sold their own tribesmen, or captured tribesmen, into slavery, and the Arabs killing and enslaving blacks even today in such places as Darfur, are not "relevant" to the discussions of black people in America. Taboo.

(From what I've seen of the situation of blacks in Africa today, a reverse reparations program may be in order so as to have blacks here compensate other Americans for the benefits that have accrued to them by facilitation of their ancestors escaping Africa and being able to thrive in the U.S.A.)

Come on donnerboy, get with the program. Dead blacks are advanced as "the issue." Blacks today are not mistreated. They receive all sorts of special benefits under what are euphemistically called "affirmative action" programs that discriminate against others and in favor of blacks. There are such factors as college admissions, set asides, hiring and promotions based not on merit but on obtaining racial balance, special dispensation for black murderers by the courts, what have you. The list is endless.

There are governmental and industry programs dedicated to helping blacks and advancing them.

So, it isn't blacks today, who are the issue. Blacks today are beneficiaries of special privileges. The "dead black people" are the basis for today's programs and the attitude excusing blacks from responsibility and accountability for what the say and do, and for denigrating their fellow Americans. It's the stock in trade for hate-mongers among blacks. You are aware that white hate-mongers are largely ostracized and marginalized by the white community. But as Obama told us, black race mongers such as Rev. Wright reflect the views of the black community. Tha's quite an aspersion, but it was made by a black so it's alright.

Ho hum.

ozzark, you have no clue do you?
I would like for you to show me one place in my post of which you were talking about that I didnt make some kind of clarification that I was repeating things that I heard on one show or another and it wasnt things that I was trying to say where the absolute truth. only things that I heard someone else say and I made that very clear. So you can come up with your normal amount of journalistic vomit and it doesnt help to discuss one single point on the issue being discussed.
and all you little comments deserve only one level of response.

I know you are but what am I?
oh yeah well so's your momma
oh yeah well my dad can beat up your dad
oh yeah...well nana nana boo boo.

there....is that enough of this current trip back to middle school for you?

Posted by Danforth at 2008-03-27 11:30 PM

"Since (Obama) shares Rev. Wright's and Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam racist views..."

And your proof of this is...?


Let's see. Are you opaque insofar as "proof" is concerned. Well, possibly an analogy and use of equivalent standards will demonstrate sufficient "proof."

If I attended a "Christian Identity" church for 20 years, and listened to my preacher spew invective concerning "niggers and kikes," "mud people," and if I sat in those pews and cheered his provocative statments, and if I stated that he was my friend and mentor, and that I considered him close enough to be like a relative, and if I gave him some $22,000, which enabled him to keep up his dissemination of his vituperative opinions, and if I sent my young children to this church to be inculcated from early childhood with this hate speech, and if my Christian Identity pastor gave David Duke of the KuKluxKlan the Man of the Year award in behalf of my church, do you think that this would suggest to you that by my continuing participation, I shared the views of my pastor?

Circumstantial evidence is reliable.

Or would you think that my participlation in the hate-mongering Christian Identity church was just a 20 year lark? Would you suspect that I had racist leanings, racist tendencies, and that I shared the world view of my pastor and the church that I attended? Do you think that I would have voluntarily and deliberately made such use of my life's time, and exposed myself to indoctrination that I found unpalatable, or that I was comfortable with it?

I recognize the emotional barrier that is posed for you, but think about it, Danforth. But get real.

"Well, possibly an analogy..."

No, fuck that. I want proof that Obama...not his pastor, not his friends, not his mailman, but Obama holds these views. Where are his actions? Where are his statements? He couldn't possible have hidden them all these years. Certainly if he is this raging racist you claim, he's left a trail of actions and statements a mile wide, yes? Well, where's the trail? You speak of "evidence"...what do you have other than a contribution to a church?

And, of course, if that's the bar, do all the Catholics who go to church and contribute, even now, endorse pedophilic priests and the RCC's deadly stance on condoms?

JOHNSON

Your opinion is moot. You voted for an idiot president twice (unless W was too left for you)

He's gotten us in a mess.

You should seriously consider sitting out this discussion.

My preacher growing up makes Wright look like Billy Graham in comparison. I'm white.

You have to be one of the most prejudiced, hateful people on this site. Really.

And you write manifestos. That's a sign of mental illness. Ted Kozinsky level

LOL

good points johnson.

and we all are very sure that any of those pastors you posed in your post who talked that way would have been sent to the sidelines a long LONG time ago. or at least they would have had to beg and squirm and crawl on thier knees in front of jackson and/or sharpton or talk to tavis.

and dan......he sat there for TWENTY YEARS and he subjected his children to that rasicst hatefilled sermon for their entire lives and some of that hate HAD to move from the TAX FREE pulpit while these children were in the congregation

and BY THE WAY......DAMN DAMN DAMN.........I wont be able to help out with the demonstration at the wheeler baptist.....wright has cancelled his sermons there.........


damn...................

Posted by dethspud at 2008-03-27 11:45 PM

Tiny Johnson doesn't require or provide proof.

Gosh deth, still fixated on the size of my penis.

Okay. Next to the fabled "Lyndon B. Johnson," everybody is relatively "Tiny." Lyndon B. was legendary regarding being "well hung, a man of great size. But then, he was a Texas boy, deth.

Now, I can't even aspire to such dimension. It would be similar to trying to match the feats of John Henry or Paul Bunyan, legends who were greater than life.

If you're trying to get me to participate in a "matching contest," deth, then you'll need to find another "partner." I'm straight and satisifed with myself.
Comparison would accomplish nothing for me. I suspect that your organ is "still in the case," pristine except possibly for occasional masturbation, and that if you were moved to sexual activity, its inspiration for you would be largely intellectual curiosity and not physical libidinously generated activity

I'm taken aback that a person of your intellectual acumen, who is seemingly not distracted by interaction in social situations, an eremite, a man who has created a schizophrenic persona for himself, "multiple man," cannot understand what "proof" is.

I suggest that you refrain from deriving your comprehension of "proof" on a superficial basis, but read some books on logic and proof, and possibly also some legal material on evidence and proof.

I recognize the emotional blocks that impair your ability to process information, and that it may not be an intellectual impairment that prevents your grasping the "proof" of Obama's involvement. But also, since you do seem to be living as a hermit, you just may not be familiar with normative human responses and interactions, and the bases therefore, so that you are precluded by lack of experience from evaluating Obama's racist involvement on a rational basis.

Well deth, it's not my obligation to enable you to think clearly. But being a compassionate and humanitarian person, I want to do whatever is possible to assist you in clarifying your thought processes, making them more reflective of reality.

"he sat there for TWENTY YEARS"

And I sat in a Catholic Church for twenty years, and donated to it, and we had the priest over for barbeques, and he would have baptized my kids had I had them...but there are many issues with which I disagree. Simply attending the church doesn't mean I endorse the kid-touching priests, nor the genocidal stance on condoms in sub-Saharan Africa. I don't believe what the church believes regarding A LOT of things. And despite hearing sermons which disparaged other faiths, I've never stood up and walked out.

I certainly believe Obama can hold disparate thoughts in his head as well.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-03-28 01:01 AM

And you write manifestos. That's a sign of mental illness. Ted Kozinsky level

LOL

Well, at least it's good for a chuckle.

I'm flattered that a man so cognizant of psychiatric situations has deigned to provide me with the implications of a sign as distinguished from a symptom or syndrome in providing a tentative diagnosis.

AU, aside from providing you with some amusement, I would suggest that you are unfamiliar with the nature of a "manifesto." There is nothing that I have posted that in any way resembles a manifesto.

I would copy and provide you with a definition to enlighten you, but as I am preparing to abandon the computer for the night, I'll just advise you of the discrepancy and put the burden on you of taking the initiative to correct your misunderstanding of the term, should you wish to do so The tenor of a manifesto has particular implications in diagnosis.

But being a compassionate and humanitarian person, I want to do whatever is possible to assist you in clarifying your thought processes, making them more reflective of reality.

You are an obvious racist and yer attempts to insult are really really bad.

You are an overly erudite, racist who acccidently swallowed a thesaurus one day and who has been vomiting up large chunks of wrong-headed verbiage ever since.

Distill yer pathetically overblown rhetoric down to it's actual meaning and yer inadequacies in logic, perception, and human interaction become painfully obvious to anyone who pays attention.

Spud, unfortunately for you, pays attention.

You do, however, have allies.

Bushlicker2 and CChris!!

Woo hoo! Good luck with that. ^_^

Spud'll stick with the affirmations of the sane and humane folk hereabouts.

Be Well.

Ditto for me DANFORTH

Trinity Church helps thousands of people a year housing homeless, feeding the poor, training the unemployed, day care, health care clinics.

If someone judges a pastor or a church by 10 seconds out of 30 years I'd say that person has an agenda - and very little thought process.

The fiery Baptist preacher I sat and listened to every time the doors were open when I was a kid hated EVERYONE who 'wasn't like us'.

It's bullshit to judge Obama by anything but his own actions, which have been rather selfless when he could have written his ticket to Wall Street and cleaned up out of Harvard Law School or undergrad at Ivy League Columbia University. Instead he chose to help people.

Just the kind of person JOHNSON hates.

Posted by Danforth at 2008-03-28 01:16 AM

Simply attending the church doesn't mean I endorse the kid-touching priests ...

I certainly believe Obama can hold disparate thoughts in his head as well.

I was on my way Danforth, and saw this.

When I attended Catholic Church, I never heard a Priest advocate child molestation. I think that the clergy that participated or protected such activity did not reflect overt church doctrine, but betrayed the church and its trust, and was covert.

As a Catholic there usually is a traditional family connection with the church, and the church is not selected. It is there.

Here Obama chose a church that was known for its doctrinal positions. He sought out the church and without any "pressures" voluntarily maintained that relationship, when he had the option of deciding that the views promulgated were not consistent with his, and that he had made a choice that was not suitable for him.

I think that the situations are distinguished.

JOHNSON

It seems the only acceptable presidential candidate in your eyes would have to have John Birch's blood flowing through his veins and live in Idaho.

You're SO impartial (that was a joke)

DETHSPUD

You are an obvious racist and yer attempts to insult are really really bad.

You are an overly erudite, racist who acccidently swallowed a thesaurus one day and who has been vomiting up large chunks of wrong-headed verbiage ever since.

Distill yer pathetically overblown rhetoric down to it's actual meaning and yer inadequacies in logic, perception, and human interaction become painfully obvious to anyone who pays attention.

Spud, unfortunately for you, pays attention.

You do, however, have allies.

Bushlicker2 and CChris!!

Woo hoo! Good luck with that. ^_^

Spud'll stick with the affirmations of the sane and humane folk hereabouts.

Be Well.

Posted by dethspud at 2008-03-28 01:25 AM


Boy, you just can't leave my name out of your bullshit and hangups about racism, can you? Can't you ever just post your own opinion without dragging everyone else's name into your remarks?

I don't bring up your name EVER unless it's in response to one of your comments AGAIN dragging my name into your post. Good God, give it a rest. You can't even make a valid point or argument on its own merit based on your own viewpoint unless you disparage other posters within your post.

I just got done about an hour ago politely asking you to leave my name out of your bullshit but -- nope -- you're at it again.

You know, looking back now, it was actually kind of nice when you were banned. To think I even wrote "be well" (along with BBob) to support your returning to DR now makes me puke. Little did I know what you were really like.

AGAIN, I will ask you politely to leave me out of your commentary and bs. Surely, you can make a simple argument on your own without my name being included. You are sinking daily in the opinions of others and it's your own fault.

I don't say "Dethspud this" and "Dethspud that" in one single comment I ever make -- other than to respond to a derogatory comment (or those little inuendos you're so fond of) you have made directly to or about me.

Why do you have to continually bring up my name?
Have a weird and sick crush on me or something? Leave me alone. You will never be mentioned by me in any of my posts or responded to in any way from now on. I merely ask the same courtesy from you.

Go bake yourself.

JOHNSON was right in his earlier post.
YOU are racist.
Frankly, I sick and tired of it.


~CalifornicatingChris.

Dude, you called Spud a racist.

Now you are trying to tell Spud wot he can and cannot include in his posts? Are you fucking nuts? Sorry, asswipe, it don't work like that and you should have figured this out by now. Yer still pissed cos Spud sed that "yer head is so far up Lou Dobb's ass that whenever Lou farts the stink comes out yer ass"?

Wow, that's a little bit thin skinned, innit?

Mostly Spud don't have a problem with Lou but he has been such an anti-Obama guy fer the last couple of weeks you really hafta wonder about his true motivations.

And yours. ^_^

Be Well.

JOHNSON

Just in case your mind is open enough to absorb new information, watch this video and tell me how terribly racist Trinity Church is:

www.youtube.com

Can we please draft Lou Dobbs and Chuck Nagle and get these other 3 yo-yo's off the air???

"When I attended Catholic Church, I never heard a Priest advocate child molestation. "

Bwahahaha...as if THAT's the barometer.

You're obviously one who gets much more worked up over rhetoric than actions: who cares if the church wasn't advocating it with their words, what exactly were they doing with their deeds?

If this would have been Hillary's pastor saying Goddamn America, the Hillary haters would have personally nailed her to the cross. But, once again, Barry gets a free pass.

"If this would have been Hillary's pastor saying Goddamn America, the Hillary haters would have personally nailed her to the cross. But, once again, Barry gets a free pass."

Amen.

"I'm taken aback that a person of your intellectual acumen, who is seemingly not distracted by interaction in social situations, an eremite, a man who has created a schizophrenic persona for himself, "multiple man," cannot understand what "proof" is.

I suggest that you refrain from deriving your comprehension of "proof" on a superficial basis, but read some books on logic and proof, and possibly also some legal material on evidence and proof.

I recognize the emotional blocks that impair your ability to process information, and that it may not be an intellectual impairment that prevents your grasping the "proof" of Obama's involvement. But also, since you do seem to be living as a hermit, you just may not be familiar with normative human responses and interactions, and the bases therefore, so that you are precluded by lack of experience from evaluating Obama's racist involvement on a rational basis.

Well deth, it's not my obligation to enable you to think clearly. But being a compassionate and humanitarian person, I want to do whatever is possible to assist you in clarifying your thought processes, making them more reflective of reality."


Four paragraphs just to say, "no, I don't know what I'm talking about". WOW. Do you spend your days in a park expostulating meanigless verbage to practice such vapors ?

Sorry, FYI, I know what I'm talking about. It's quite possible that you don't. So if I address you specifically at some point in the future, I'll try to remember to dumb the post down so that you might grasp the content. Not taking your capabilities into account reflects on my ability or lack of it, as a communicator.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-03-28 02:39 AM

Pathetic, AU. I'm embarrassed for her.

I know some people who were members of a Quaker Meeting in Pasadena years ago, who would invite black groups such as the Black Panthers to meet with them. The young blacks would go into the meeting, which the Quakers had seriously convened with a goal, relating of course to the Quaker persepctive. Peace. Non-violence. What have you.

Here they were in another environment. The young black men would excoriate them as no good white ass mother fuckers, and what have you, using very creative language. The abuse would continue for an hour and a half. There would be some threatening physical gestures made toward these mostly middle-aged and old white people. The blacks would be given money to appease their righteous anger, and somehow compensate them for everything that made them angry.

I had received reports on the meeting from both white and black sources. These blacks were viewed as unaccompished fringe characters in their community, who were nobodies. But the responses they received to their outrageous conduct transformed them into somebodies in their own minds The received recognition. They were clueless except for the fact of the weakness and stupidity of whites, which was of course, the salient factor in the exchange.

The Quakers created a fictional story for themselves concerning what the meetings accomplished in the way of reconciliation and justice. The blacks recognized and worked the dumb honkies for money, and for the enjoyment of the response to their unrestrained "acting out" behavior.

This clueless minister reminds me of the other stupid honkies. And she somehow does not seek to exorcise, or even address, the racism, and hate America and hate whites and hate Jews aspects, of Rev. Wright's rhetoric. It's as if it did not exist. It may not for her. She hears what she wants to hear, sees what she wants to see, and ratifies the preconceived opinions she has concerning black people, observable and observed facts to the contrary. There's nothing like blinders to help you maintain your vision.

By the way, such rhetoric is not benign. It provides the basis for continuing hatred, and justification for violent acts, and for alienation from society, and for a sense of victimization and entitlement, among many other things.

The "Reverand" Wright is doing nothing more then spouting out Moveon.org talking points

He is totally representative of the American/Euro Left-- they agree completly with what Rev Wright is saying-- so whats really shocking about this?

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