"they expose undergarments that, in turn, expose sexual organs -- covered or uncovered."

Sorry...I must lead a sheltered rural life. This has me LMAO. That and I would think indecent exposure laws would work for this offense.

every person in our family has to hold themselves back when we see these pants - we want to go up and just give a little tug - i've seen them so low that the kids are walking in an "A" shape just to keep them at thigh level!

what statement are they trying to make?

The statement they are making is that they hate you.

every person in our family has to hold themselves back when we see these pants - we want to go up and just give a little tug

The same thing I want to do when I see someone with a mullet.


what statement are they trying to make?

This is America, if you don't like it...fuck off!

"what statement are they trying to make?

Posted by nanc at 2008-03-25 05:06 PM"

Something like "why the fuck do you care what I wear? And mind your own business. And if you touch my underwear, I'll fuck you up. Oh yeah, and if you really think your daughter was at band practice last night...." Something like that.

We have a judge here in district court whose baliff makes the following announcement when he holds court "this is Judge *Joe*s court today, there will be no bagging and sagging, your shirt will be tucked into your waistband, if it is not you will be removed from the courtroom until you are in compliance, there will be no hats, there will be no jeans around the knees, we have a supply of belts if you do not own one. Please make sure that you are properly dressed." The amount of defendants out in the courtroom who then choose to ignore this is staggering. A "dude" will shuffle up to the front sagging and bagging, shirt outside pants, hat on sideways, hands in pockets, ridiculous t-shirt wearing. Judge *Joe* will say "Mr. Bailiff if you please" and the perp will be taken outside and reminded of his dress code. I would like to point out that said "offending" judge is black and he doesn't take any shit from anyone.

When I see my students looking like that, I say "Just say no to crack" to them in front of everyone, and the humor and/or humiliation of the experience cures the problem ... at least in my classroom.

YEAH!

This is where the Bush Cult "freedum Fighters" come out and lecture us about how "government" standards (like fuel economy and basic health insurance) is bad for america ---- but mandatin' how kids (ie blacky) wear their pants will save us!

The NAACP is in cahoots with the plumber's union on this. They're both in favor of crack.

The statement they are trying to make:

This "look" originated in prisons, so I hear. Not sure the validity of that. But the mythos of it is out there none the less...

so the statement is look how tough I've been or act as though I've been in prison.

same with the do-rag.

With the "crack" issue, and ranting raving preachers (Rev. Wright and Rev. Manning), the "black community" is presenting a real life caricature of itself that transforms such parodies as "Amos and Andy" to reasonable depictions.

Damn kids and their rock and roll music.

Calm down. They do it because they are teenagers or immature adults who like to piss off everybody but especially those in authority over them. How is this different from long hair, earrings, tattoes or a general fuck you attitude? Want to ban those too? They'll grow out of it, look back on it and wonder WTF they were thinking.

We just came across my brother's wedding photo from 1974. Pale blue suit, mauve shirt, kipper tie and carefully-groomed hair down to his shoulders. We've been giving him grief ever since.

It also tells you everything you need to know about Florida and the NAACP, both of which are in severe need of a life.

This "look" originated in prisons, so I hear. Not sure the validity of that. But the mythos of it is out there none the less...

so the statement is look how tough I've been or act as though I've been in prison.

same with the do-rag.

Posted by kwrx25

It's that damn Elvis and his "Jailhouse Rock". What's wrong with kids these days?

......another conservative politician who wants the state to stay out of people's lives........

.........conservative hypocrites who want to mandate your wardrobe...........

........same as the Communist Chinese during the Cultural Revolution when Chinese had to wear Mao jackets......

..........a fascism has come to America........

I don't agree with the ban. You can't ban stupidity, and the fact that redneckville still posts is all the evidence I need.

That being said, "society" goes out of it's way to coddle blacks and make things easier for them. If the goal is to make them more employable, then how can one argue with it?

People should have the right to dress the way they want but...

When young blacks want to dress like thugs and young whites want to dress like meth-heads (dirty clothes, hoodie pulled up regardless of temperature), they shouldn't get annoyed when people cross the street when they approach, or if store clerks keep an eagle eye on them.

Then again, if somebody is doing something illegal, you'd think they'd act as inconspicuous as possible. I'll never understand why drug or gun mules choose to drive recklessly in some of the most conspicuous vehicles possible :-)

This is where the Bush Cult "freedum Fighters" come out and lecture us about how "government" standards (like fuel economy and basic health insurance) is bad for america ---- but mandatin' how kids (ie blacky) wear their pants will save us!
Posted by Redneckville at 2008-03-26 08:44 AM

RED...here's a heads up. You really need to hit the medicine cabinet earlier.

?(ie blacky) are you a racist ? From what I have heard there are more than a few (ie whities) running around with their asses hanging out. I am not racist...cause as we have learned in the past weeks, it is okay to make racist remarks.... as long as they are (ie whitie) racial slurs.

This is a local gov setting decency standards. If their constituency is in favor of at least requiring that sex organs aren't hanging out all over the place , it is their prerogative.
When govco mandates that my health ins has to cover office visits for athletes foot, runny noses, and boo boos for nits that don't have a brain, then I get upset. When govco is "mandatin' " that I have to help pay for std's, drug addicts, and blue pills...I get upset.
When govco sucks up to 30% or more of my hard earned dollars, to cover medicare costs for baby poppin' low lives ...yes, I get upset. When I have to share the costs of some food shoveling couch potato fatties insulin ...I get upset.

"I'll never understand why drug or gun mules choose to drive recklessly in some of the most conspicuous vehicles possible :-)"

Because they were denied membership in Mensa?

" when Chinese had to wear Mao jackets......"

It's no like they want them to wear a burka...they just want them to cover their junk in public.

the argument about making them more employable seems to me to be the best one. of course there is the notion that young people will do shit like this.
I wonder what some of these lawmakers were doing when cbs refused to show elvis from the waiste down?????????
or remember the furor when the beatles came over and that DAMN LONG hair.....hair that was so long....IT WENT TO THE BOTTOM OF THIER EARS.....OOOOOOOOOHHHHH NNNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

HOWEVER.....when I see kids in these pants with their hat on sideways and shit like that, well you dont have to take too long to figure out thier IQ....and here is another observation....as many other teachers here might agree.....when a student changes something as simple as his hair style..THATS A SIGN that something may be changing or wrong or the like. I have seen it happen time after time after time....NOT EVERY TIME...but most of the time. its a sign and usually not a good one.

Most everyone has some sort of rebelious stage, and not even rebelling in some cases...this has just become the style.

a lot of posts here have brought up the 60/70's long hair.

maybe someone could clue me in to where that originated? Taking a stab at it, it was a counter-culture thing. at that point "the man" had a close cropped cut. If I'm right that sorta kills the comparison.

rebelling against societal norms is not the same thing as emulating prison culture.

but as I said, it's become the style, it's transcended being a direct homage to prison life.

all that said, I have to question if in my younger days I would have adopted a look because it was stylish, that had its roots in prison culture.

who really says that guy from prison is so cool, I want to dress just like him....hmm lets see, they took his belt away so his pants ride low...ok I can do that...and hmmmm...oh, he only gets to shower a couple times a week so he wears that do-rag on his head to cover his dirty hair.....I can do that.....damn I look cool.

I have to question that logic.

My first thought is that as stupid as kids who wear their pants as such are this kind of law would just be just as dumb. But then when I see that the NAACP and ACLU object to the proposed law I wonder maybe such a law would be a good idea if for no other reason than to piss those idiots off.

I don't agree with the ban, but nothing about it is discriminatory. Just because most of the people stupid enough to walk around with their pants around their ankles are black doesn't mean that a bill against doing so is discriminatory. With that logic, murder laws would be sexist since men commit a vast majority of murders.

Joe...Good point flag.

It's probably all of the government handouts in their pockets that are causing their pants to sag like that.
Sincerely,
Unacceptable Retort Stereotypes

Redneckville;

WHy are you so full of hate?

all that said, I have to question if in my younger days I would have adopted a look because it was stylish, that had its roots in prison culture.

yeah but.....if it meant you were getting some poon or getting your hooter hummed, you would at least think about it.

You are free to do what you want but sometimes the consequences suck. These kids feel that they are cool or something. Hey, go ahead, knock yourself out. Look the way you want. *But* don't come crying to me when you cannot get a job.

One of the things I made sure my kids knew how to do what dress professionally, sit up straight, look someone in the eye and carry a conversation. It is amazing what an advantage these simple things gives them over 80% of the kids out there.

think about it....I guess.

but there were fads that I definitely looked at, and stayed away from cuz they were just foolish.

**** " when Chinese had to wear Mao jackets......"

It's no like they want them to wear a burka...they just want them to cover their junk in public.

Posted by kerrin57 *****

.......there are decency laws if your genitals are hanging out.......

.......but how big can big government be if they are telling you what style of clothes to wear.?.......

.......this is so anti-freedom, anti-American that it defies democracy at its most basic........

........and it is the same strain of fascist "I know whats best for you" as the Chinese Maoists and the Taliban (burka)......

but there were fads that I definitely looked at, and stayed away from cuz they were just foolish.

I wish I could say the same.

1985 I was wearing those baggy highly colored clown pants. (MC hammer type I guess)

I think back on that and just cringe.........

Shrink-wrap those fools

So we are goin to criminalize style? I want to sue, Lui Verton, Jessica Parker, Levies( never can find a really good fitting pair), Guchi, Armoni, St. george, ect ect ect

Skizziks,


The article is talking about schoolkids.

I think they should just institute a dress code/schhool uniform policy.

I have been a strong advocate for that my entire life. I think it would add the structure they need.

Some of these cool people are hampered by their idiocy, while others qualify as upscale imbeciles in their society. They seem to forget that their world is a subset of a larger dimension.

They are distinguishing themselves in such a way because otherwise their unsuitability for maintaining themselves would not immediately be apparent. They are somebody in their costumes, which represent a flight from nothingness. They may be quintessential nihilists.

They don't seem qualified to have a role in this society. They can't seem to learn. And effortlessly, they seem to succeed in making themselves eminently unsuitable for employment in the "normal" world. So they'll need to subsist on welfare or criminal activity. That does not augur well for this country.

Maybe we should encourage the wearing of distinctive uniforms so people who have a penchant for emulating low lifes distinguish themselves and can be readily identified. Then they can demonstrate their worth by sauntering through life and adopting an argot that simulates pidgin in its paucity.

NAACP President Adora Obi Nwez

If conservative white America really wants all the black youths to stop wearing their pands down low....then all the conservative white men just need to wear their pands down low. Trust me, it won't be long before the young black guys won't be caught dead wearing them that way.
If you want to reinforce the tendency to wear them down low then make a law against it.

Johnson,

Well written post.

Danni,

Great point in the last sentance of your 11:13.

Actually, I don't mind low-riding pants. Basically, it lets me make a judgment on the person that transcends race, hairstyle, etc. I can immediately cross off the individuals as someone worth hiring or asking for directions, etc. What I don't like is the fact that the baggy pants are often used so they can stick a gun in their pocket - can't do that with straight leg hip-huggers. If I was a cop, I would want the style outlawed for my safety.

They do it because they are teenagers or immature adults who like to piss off everybody but especially those in authority over them. How is this different from long hair, earrings, tattoes or a general fuck you attitude? Want to ban those too? They'll grow out of it, look back on it and wonder WTF they were thinking.-BlueinBushland

I have to disagree with that, at least partially. This started out as a gang thing and the kids who wear them like that either are in a gang or want to act like they are.

I've talked one on one with a 22 year old who wore his pants just like that. He was a white kid who slung drugs, carried a gun, and claimed to have killed a couple of people. Now, I know that probably most kids who wear them like that aren't gang bangers, but it is still a gang thing. They outlawed jerseys at schools simply because gang members wore them all the time, why not the pants?

,i>This "look" originated in prisons,

Posted by kwrx25

This is a direct effect of the effort in the 80's of randomly throwing black men from bad neighborhoods in prison or treating them like they're all criminals. In many cases this is the only culture these families know. The fastest way to turn an innocent young person into a criminal is to treat them like one unjustifiably.

there are decency laws if your genitals are hanging out.......

skizziks

I made that point way up the thread.

As long as everything is covered I don't give a crap what you wear , how long your hair is, how many earrings you wear, nor how many tattoos you sport. Ya wanna look like a freak...have at it. It's not govs business.

Yet... you would hear the same hue and cry from the same organizations... if they charged the worst of them with exposure.

Gary Siplin is a Democratic member of the Florida Senate, representing the 19th District since 2003.

I just had to look it up.

just remember your Government is there to PROTECT You from YOU!

I guess it dosen't matter which party a politician is from, they will do their best to protect you from everything.

Fuck protecting me from me, if I want dress like a slob, eat and smoke myself to death and have "risky" unprotected sex It should be no ones business but my own.....unless the taxpayers payed for my health care........

Thats bullshit. These people usually dont have anyone teaching them right from wrong at home, just BET and the P diddy types. No fathers in the homes. These kids act like criminals, emulating their heroes from the music and videos. Blacks have every opportunity in this society to better themselves IF THEY WANT TO. Many stick to their "Im a victim of slavery" bullshit so they dont have to really participate in anything.

No generations has ever liked how their kids dress. Criminalizing that distaste is a whole other matter. The kids that wear that baggy look wear boxers under their pants and underwear under that. They aren't exposing anything indedecent. And, whether or not the look began in prison, most of the kids know nothing about what transpired in the 80s and 90s, so it doesn't matter in the least to them. It's not even an urban look anymore, the kids in the suburbs dress the same way. It doesn't say anything about one's character. If it bothers you so much, it just means that you are old. So just go back and start shooing kids off your lawn.

The gov't shouldn't be allowed to tell me how to dress.

Now hand those paid-for-by government contraceptives to that kid there and those free lunches.

Thick laces and untied high top sneakers.

what was I thinking.

If you allow your kid to dress like that it means you don't care very much about your kid and have not helped to build their self esteem. You should be convicted of perpetuating the loser segment of the American population and for that crime a parent should be perhaps waterboarded.

most of the kids know nothing about what transpired in the 80s and 90s, so it doesn't matter in the least to them.

Posted by bperk

Sure, just because their Uncles and Cousins are in prison, they should just forget it, put on a suit and go to work. After all, who's going to pay the taxes to keep their Uncles and Cousins in prison.



Blacks have every opportunity in this society to better themselves IF THEY WANT TO.

Posted by skk0921

Sure, but it's only been that way in most of the country for barely 40 years. Many of their older relatives still have bitter memories of when that wasn't the case at all.
Jeez, get over yourselves and try to see things from another perspective now and then.

It's like this week, my Mom was all upset that my Laotion ex didn't call her for Easter. She couldn't understand how someone who wasn't a Christian and hadn't even heard of Jesus until she was 20 didn't care about Easter.
"C'mon", she kept saying, "Everyone knows today is Easter."

After your people have gone through a few centuries of slavery and then another of state sponsored oppression, all which is still in the process of petering out, maybe then you can begin to understand where they are coming from.

I mean, do you berate Jews for still hating the Nazis? They ended their oppression of Jews almost 60 years ago.

Sorry, is it 2008 already?

Over 60 years ago.

"This is where the Bush Cult "freedum Fighters" come out and lecture us about how "government" standards (like fuel economy and basic health insurance) is bad for america ---- but mandatin' how kids (ie blacky) wear their pants will save us!"
--REDNECKVILLE

Gary Siplin is a Democrat.

Don't let that get in the way of you being an idiot.

BTW, I've never seen someone with the baggy look, white, black, asian, whatever, with their junk hanging out. That's against the law already.

I won't believe that red can't/won't read the program to see what side the isle the doo-gooder is on. I just can't believe it. Come onnnn red, tell me it isn't so.

Change the attitude of what women want in a man, and those pants will take care of themselves.

women just want money

The law is unconstitutional at the very least.

It has NOTHING to do with indecent exposure. If it did, they wouldn't need a new law.

Let these idiots dress however they want in public, so long as it's not not in violation of current indecency laws.....and as long as they're not at school (if the school has a min dress code).

Do they look stupid? Yes! .....but there was never a law against looking stupid, until now.

I'm tired of the ACLU and the NAACP whining about "stereotyping of African-American youth", meanwhile if baggy pants are to be banned they imedietly have a shit-fit: YOU CAN'T SINGLE OUT BLACK MALES...

If there was a ban on crack-smoking, wearing your hat crooked, wearing gaudy-oversized-cheesy medallions, eating wassa-melon, eating chicken-wings or drinking malt liquor from a paper bag, I'll bet that the ACLU and the NAACP would say something to the effect of LEAVE BLACK PEOPLE ALONE!

Nice job of blacKKK culture to stereotype itself.

"But we should also have an obligation to teach them how to dress."

Wow!

"But we should also have an obligation to teach them how to dress."

Wow!

Posted by BenFranklinn

Wow! I thought that's what parents were for. Society does not have an obligation to teach them anything except 12 years of school and we arn't doing too well at that either.

I'm tired of the ACLU and the NAACP whining about "stereotyping of African-American youth", meanwhile if baggy pants are to be banned they imedietly have a shit-fit: YOU CAN'T SINGLE OUT BLACK MALES...-Dean Buvia


Hell, I'm just wondering where they got the idea that only black males wear their pants like that. Talk about stereotyping, they just did it themselves.

Some of those lowboys are so low the crotch is around their ankles. I always wanna ask how they run like that.

I wonder how many of them know the whole thing came about as a badge of honor that they'd been in jail - where they take your belt.

"I always wanna ask how they run like that.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-03-26 08:20 PM"

Then you don't watch enough "Cops" or "World's Best Police Chases." It's kind of amusing, really.

MONTE

LOL I watch COPS from time to time.

The bummer of lowboys is you have to run with what you can carry in one hand. The other's too busy keeping the pants up why they run.

I ate at a quiznos last week. There was a young guy trying to buss the tables with one hand and holding his trousers up with another. If I was the manager, I would not have tolerated that.

LOL Goatman! (the picture of that)

This is in FL? I'd rather see a ban on the nip-high slacks the bluehairs are sportin' in Del Boca Vista.

Of all the things,
in all the world,

and the NAACP picks this issue to contest?

give me a break

and the NAACP picks this issue to contest?

That is an exellent question. IMO, the answer is because they are afraid to tackle the real issues like the high number of black children born out of wedlock, like black on black crime, etc. Baggy pants are a much easier target for them.

That is an exellent question. IMO, the answer is because they are afraid to tackle the real issues like the high number of black children born out of wedlock, like black on black crime, etc. Baggy pants are a much easier target for them.

Posted by goatman at 2008-03-26 10:58 PM | Reply | Flag

The very same thing can be said about Florida. Remember, they're the ones trying to pass the law.

so is the place to mention the really wide bell bottoms and HUGE shoes with the huge heels on them.....and of course the shirt with the huge open V collar.......
damn.......that outfit was REALLY GROOVY........

I read an article recently that stated most Police Officers like the fact that thugs are wearing the sagging pants.
When being chased by the police the crook has to use at least one hand to hold up their pants. A lot of the time the pants fall and trip the thug thereby making it easier for the Police to catch them.

OF COURSE THE NAACP WOULD OPPOSE THIS ----PUSHIN RESPECTABILITY IS NOT POPULAR AMONG THE BLACK PEOPLE THE NAACP IS PIMPIN
JASMAN

This is another example of blatant discrimination. If black people are associated with something those whites who are racists, focus upon it. The white racists don't go around spewing hate as the black racists do. White racists are more subtle. It's the nature of white racism to be invidious, and not to be out on the hustings denouncing blacks for their disproportionate invovement in crime and welfare and the like, and demanding "reparations" for the burdensome and intrusive nature of the black community.

No, white racists attack black practices, distinguishing them. This is another facet of "the crack attack."

Blacks use "crack" cocaine, so "crack" is punihed more severely than cocaine that whites "happen to" prefer. The excessive damage wrought on the community by black cocaine peddlers and users should be discounted, and not be part of the equation.

The other black "crack" is physiological. Black youth "gangsta 'cracks'" are subject to discrimination. White "plumber 'cracks'" have been exposed for years without any legislation intended to ban them. Are black "gangsta cracks" uglier or more disruptive than white "plumber cracks?" Black is beautiful, so black cracks are more attractive than white cracks.

Crack cocaine is still cocaine.

Any fair-minded American will join with the NAACP and other organizations demaning equality for black cracks in opposing these racist practices and initiatives.

If this racist law is passed, and black gangsta cracks are criminalized, will those enforcing this race directed law also charge those exposing white plumber cracks, subjecting them to the same scrutiny and rate of prosecution?

The NAACP will monitor discriminatory enforcement and shall take legal action to prevent such racist conduct, which the organization anticipates would materialize.

Last I checked this wasn't a black male form of fashion but it goes across the board with Asians Whites and hispanics.. So for anyone to say this is predominantly black males needs to open their eyes real wide!! and step away from the crack pipe....

I don't like seeing any male whether black, white, asian..et. al. Men in general with their pants hanging down below their butt cheeks. It is pointless and looks uncomfortable as all hell!!

Why in the world would any male want to wear their pants and some wear belts down to their knees in this manner? it makes it hard to walk and Lord don't let them attempt to run....

I was so glad the day my son stopped wearing his pants so low. Although I believe it has something to do with the maturity level, I must admit I have seen a few grown men over the age of 30 wearing their pants in this manner and all I can do is laugh, because they just don't know how ridiculous they look!

.45 Cal

Racism in this country will end when the NAACP come out with a "Skateboarding is Not A Crime" campaign.