deja vu

Fallon must hate freedom.

Ba da bump bump bump

Another one bites the dust...

actually if the jist is true that fallon was the resisting voice to an attack on iran, perhaps this is what powell should have done.

unfortunately we wont have his voice pushing back.

This is a quite interesting quote, if you think about it:

"Recent press reports suggesting a disconnect between my views and the president's policy objectives have become a distraction at a critical time and hamper efforts in the Centcom region."

The President's policy OBJECTIVES? Not the policy itself? Not the war?

Why not just state support for current policy?

I wonder if one of these guys will ever spill the beans.

What FUN that would be.

Wait, lemme try my Sean Hannity impersonation..."Admiral Fallon wants Iran to have nuclear weapons."

GREAT.....another general who rather collect a retirement that speak his mind

this general said he misspoke

our troops sacrifice their lives everyday getting paid nothing.... while this guy lives in comfort of safety getting paid 3X as much

general sacrifice nothing...he can not even sacrifice his career

when will we get a real general that can speak his mind in uniform

LOOK FOR HIS BOOK IN STORES....."IF I HAD INVADED IRAQ THIS IS HOW I WOULD DO IT"

I thought we already went to war with Iran. Countless posts on the DR guaranteed we would attack Teheran just before the 2006 elections. Then just after. So, I just assumed.

So--what?--this general WANTED war, but Bush didn't give it to him?

The Fox was quickly awarded the obligatory Neville Chamberlain comparisons by the neocons when he stated that we needed to show strength and engage Iran. Those are fightin' words for those harping for war with Persia and (coincidentally) who've never once put on a uniform.

We have some such posters here.

So Fallon falls on his sword because some nitwit in the white house farts and says it smells like Chanel #5.

Let's see if his deputy remains loyal to his position, and what happens to the career of that little sychophant Petraeus.

Tell me how this ends...

Once again the Administration who claims to want to hear all sides, hears nothing. Anyone in the Administration or the Military who dares to disagrees with the Policy is not going to last with these Neo-Cons. What a Fucking Disgrace a Military Man who served honorablely for 41 years gets driven out by the likes of this criminal Administration. God can January 20, 2009 get here soon enough!!!

Humpty Dumpty was pushed.

"Humpty Dumpty was pushed."

That doesn't make up for the fact that all the king's men are inept, butterfingered turds.

"I thought we already went to war with Iran. Countless posts on the DR guaranteed we would attack Teheran just before the 2006 elections. Then just after. So, I just assumed"

YEAH!

As if you have forgotten the great consternation and the agony the leaked NIE caused the Bush Cult and its plans to widen its War!

You sound as Dumb and oblivious as Steve Doocy describing to his mindless viewers how David Vitters Prostitute Scandal led to Republican 06 losses ---- when the story actually broke in July 07 --- after the 06 elections!

GREAT.....another general who rather collect a retirement that speak his mind

this general said he misspoke

our troops sacrifice their lives everyday getting paid nothing.... while this guy lives in comfort of safety getting paid 3X as much

general sacrifice nothing...he can not even sacrifice his career

when will we get a real general that can speak his mind in uniform

Posted by judas at 2008-03-11 05:11 PM

As if you have forgotten the great consternation and the agony the leaked NIE caused the Bush Cult and its plans to widen its War!

You sound as Dumb and oblivious as Steve Doocy describing to his mindless viewers how David Vitters Prostitute Scandal led to Republican 06 losses ---- when the story actually broke in July 07 --- after the 06 elections!

Posted by Redneckville
* * *

Uhhh . . . whatever.

LOOK FOR HIS BOOK IN STORES....."IF I HAD INVADED IRAQ THIS IS HOW I WOULD DO IT"



Would chapter one be how he drove a carrier battlegroup into Bagdad?

KG - no argument from me.

esquire? no telling what would have happened
if the times had published the article

Obama/Fallon 08?

I would also accept Obama/Abizaid 08.

What gets me is the virtual Mitt-Romney-flips Hillary has made since running for office. Before:

She supported NAFTA.

She supported the Iraq war.

She supported attacking Iran.

She supported cluster bombs that kill innocent women and children.

She supported the bankruptcy bill, hurting "hard working Americans" to the benefit of banks.

She supported and co-sponsored a bill making people criminals for burning flags.

And now...she's anti-war and is "fighting" for hard working Americans.

She's such an obvious fraud, just gets me that so many are so easily convinced by her propaganda.

Hillary Sucks And Will Start Another Ill-Advised War That Will Weaken Our Military Against Larger Looming Threats From China And Russia.

-Sarge

I thought we already went to war with Iran. Countless posts on the DR guaranteed we would attack Teheran just before the 2006 elections. Then just after. So, I just assumed.

So--what?--this general WANTED war, but Bush didn't give it to him?

POSTED BY RIGHTISRIGHT



Fallon was the subject of an article published last week in Esquire magazine that portrayed him as opposed to President Bush's Iran policy. It described Fallon as a lone voice against taking military action to stop the Iranian nuclear program.



Well, wrong twice in one sentence. I'm sure you'll man up about it.

Hillary Sucks And Will Start Another Ill-Advised War That Will Weaken Our Military Against Larger Looming Threats From China And Russia.

-Sarge

Posted by Sarge

Yeah she sucks big time but I like Obama's chances of getting the nomination.

Then we can pit a darn good black man against the war party.... and let the chips fall.

Obama/Fallon 08?

I would also accept Obama/Abizaid 08.

Posted by lawnchair


It will be either Obama/Farrakhan or Obama/Winfrey.

Nice YOU TUBE clip Sarge!

Hillary... We have experienced you enough! he he heh

Well, wrong twice in one sentence. I'm sure you'll man up about it.

Posted by Zap
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Sarcasm, Zap. Give me your email address, and I'll let you know in advance next time.

Sarcasm, Zap


From you, in name only.

Let's see. General Fallon was described as the "lone voice" against Bush and the Neocons taking military action to stop the Iranian nuclear program and now he is being pushed to "step down."

Add this on to the fact that Senator John "bomb bomb Iran" McCain has already been anointed by the Neocons as the heir apparent to continue on with Bush pre-emptive foreign policy of "bomb first, ask questions later" and the writing is on the wall. If the Necons help their man McCain win the presidency in '08, Iran gets nuked as soon as McCain finishes taking the oath of office.

From you, in name only.

Posted by Zap
* * *

Huh?

Huh?

POSTED BY RIGHTISRIGHT

Indeed

Let's see. General Fallon was described as the "lone voice" against Bush and the Neocons taking military action to stop the Iranian nuclear program and now he is being pushed to "step down."

Add this on to the fact that Senator John "bomb bomb Iran" McCain has already been anointed by the Neocons as the heir apparent to continue on with Bush pre-emptive foreign policy of "bomb first, ask questions later" and the writing is on the wall. If the Necons help their man McCain win the presidency in '08, Iran gets nuked as soon as McCain finishes taking the oath of office.

Posted by CalifChris
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You've been predicting this for awhile now. You do realize, I hope, that Bush doesn't need the assent of this Admiral? That Bush is the Commander in Chief, and the good Navy man must obey his orders?

I'll ask again, more directly this time for the benefit of dunderheads like Zap: are we at war with Iran? If so, it hasn't made any of the papers I read. If no, this Admiral's views on Iran don't seem particularly pertinent, given the way things have unfolded. If the Admiral was really a "lone voice against taking military action against Iran"--why didn't the other generals and admirals get their way, and why didn't we take military action against Iran?

Ah, the libs. A conspiracy lurking behind every doorway, under every bed. In one respect--and probably only one--it'll be refreshing to have a President Obama. At least then, 41-year-career military officers can retire without a legion of lefties pretending to know the reason.

Add this on to the fact that Senator John "bomb bomb Iran" McCain has already been anointed by the Neocons as the heir apparent to continue on with Bush pre-emptive foreign policy of "bomb first, ask questions later" and the writing is on the wall. If the Necons help their man McCain win the presidency in '08, Iran gets nuked as soon as McCain finishes taking the oath of office.

-Chris




Make no mistake.


McSame

How much confidential, top secret, information is there that the President sees that we do not?

How much of this information is seen by the Congress?

When the President declares a National Security issue has arisen requiring military interaction and Congress approves it, how much of that confidential, top secret information will the public have available?

Is misinformation every provided to the public from the government?

Could the NIE contain false information?

Could false information be leaked to the public?

How informed are we to make the decision that going to war is wrong when two branches of government support it?

I do not want war - but, I also know that it is horribly necessary at times despite my personal beliefs. Yet, the words of many are as trustworthy (including NIE's made public) as are weather reports.

Who is better to decide when to go to war: the President and the information provided to him or the General/Admiral, Congress, or the public.

I'd like to bring back the mandatory "declarations of war" instead of this 60 year sneak.

Zap

Make no mistake.

McSame


I know. McScary isn't it?

the good Navy man must obey his orders?

It didn't work at the Nuremberg trials.

Gates called Fallon a very able military strategist and said his advice will be missed at the Pentagon.

So, true. Fallon was no political lackey. He was one of the Navy's most intelligent and deep officers. Thank God that he and gates were in their positions when they were. Otherwise, the USA wouldn't be in just a recession, it would be in a depression and a semi-global quagmire.

Once the Cheney Bush cabal move out of the Executive branch, there will be a lot of messes to clean up. Cheney's crusade to create perpetual war without end has been a disaster. Sure the USA has deeply committed enemies. But with the right approach, those enemies can be isolated and weakened and surrogates in GWOT could take most of the steps needed to neutralize most of the threats. But the energy-fixated, big-business fixated Cheney Bush cabal only fuels the jihad and anger against USA. Fallon gets it. Bush and Cheney don't.

You do realize, I hope, that Bush doesn't need the assent of this Admiral?
-Lemming


The Man, The Admiral, William Fallon, doesn't need an asshole named Bush to demean his career.

McSame
I know. McScary isn't it?

POSTED BY CALIFCHRIS


I think McSame covers it rather completely.

There is no need to elaborate.

Bush didn't demean his career. Here is his quote:

"Recent press reports suggesting a disconnect between my views and the president's policy objectives have become a distraction at a critical time and hamper efforts in the Centcom region," Fallon said.

"And although I don't believe there have ever been any differences about the objectives of our policy in the Central Command area of responsibility, the simple perception that there is makes it difficult for me to effectively serve America's interests there," Fallon added.
* * *

Seems simple enough to me. The Admiral says he doesn't believe there have ever been differences on the objectives in the Middle East, and regrets the perception that there are. But, thank God, we don't need anything about what the Admiral said--we've got Zap here to tell us what really happened, and CalifChris to tell us what's going to.

RIR have You ever heard of making nice because You are FORCED to??

Larry Mohr

Sure. I was married before.

Seems simple enough to me.


Of that, I have full faith, and No doubt.

RIR,

Although I agree with partial of what you posted I can't help but think about the political talking going on here and the fact it is clearly about differences between the admiral and Bush thinking.

I kind of think you are taking a position that is too far in one direction.

Sure. I was married before.

POSTED BY RIGHTISRIGHT



WOW,,,, that's a surprise......

Actually, I've been married twice. Happier now. Richer too, funny enough. Not true of them, though. Which is even funnier.

Sure. I was married before.

LOL!

RIR you get a funny flag, and it hits the point exactly.

I wish there were a complete list of all the general officers who've left the military by choice (or otherwise) over Bush/Cheney's massive blunders in Iraq and the desire to squelch dissent from those paid to give it.

George Bush couldn't contain himself.

When he was praising Admiral Fallon for his 41 years of service Bush referred to Fallon as a sailor instead of a naval officer.

Bush just couldn't resist that one last parting shot could he?

He had to heap insult on top of injury.

All the money and power in the world and Bush still doesn't have any class.

And never will.

Bush just couldn't resist that one last parting shot could he?

He had to heap insult on top of injury.

All the money and power in the world and Bush still doesn't have any class.

Posted by Twinpac at 2008-03-12 09:25 AM | Reply


Here we have the classic Left-wing loon hypocricy in action.
Ordinarily Bush is too stupid to tie his own shoes, but when it benefits the kooks, he's a genius so cunning that he plans these parting shots.

Bush, pure genius...Unless it suits our purposes to call him stupid, then he's a chimp.
Sincerely,
The Left

Bush, pure genius...Unless it suits our purposes to call him stupid, then he's a chimp.
Sincerely,
The Left

Posted by 101Chairborne


You think it took a GENIUS to come up with that "sailor" line? No wonder Bush impresses you.

You think it took a GENIUS to come up with that "sailor" line? No wonder Bush impresses you.

Posted by midiman at 2008-03-12 09:38 AM | Reply


Didn't you learn your lesson about making assumptions when Joe kicked you around the smoking thread?
Find one instance of me even remotely claiming I'm impressed with Bush.


So Bush knows calling a guy from the Navy a "sailor" is a slight? How? I didn't know it was a slight, why would it be? Army Generals are refered to as a "Soldier", what's the difference?

As I said, you clowns like to pick and choose.

101

Bush was reading from a prepared speach.

If it was ad-lib I could understand his usual lack of grace.

Under the circumstances it was a deliberate churlish slur.

The only thing missing was a curled lip and a guttural snarl.

So Bush is back to being a chimp and it's his speech writers that couldn't resist one last parting shot, right?

Didn't you learn your lesson about making assumptions when Joe kicked you around the smoking thread?


lol

I supposed what I learned from that preposterous laugh-riot is how easily you guys miss the main part of a discussion and seize on a trivial side issue, and how easy you are to string along with "red meat" that seems to stoke your testosterone levels. (The fact that you use that thread as example of anything serious is funny on multiple levels.)

You of course may be literally correct - you never used the word "impressed", and there's absolutely nothing in any of your posts that suggests any favorable view of Bush or his policies whatsoever.

(Which word will you select this time? Probably "policies", or maybe favorable)


Tell me, where in the post that you criticized originally did the poster use the word "genius"?

If you have to go smoke a cigarette while you think of a repsonse, I'll wait.

Tell me, where in the post that you criticized originally did the poster use the word "genius"?

If you have to go smoke a cigarette while you think of a repsonse, I'll wait.
Posted by midiman at 2008-03-12 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag

Don't smoke, not only unhealthy, but it stinks (not to mention that shit's expensive).

I'm surprised you didn't have a cig after Joe thoroughly fucked you in that thread.

I used the post in question as an example, I didn't address Twinpac in any way, shape, or form. I addressed left-wing kooks, and "The Left". You on the other hand specifically addressed me. I can provide examples (actually there is no need, every one here knows what I'm talking about) of numerous lefty posters claiming bush to be a retard, and then depending on the circumstance giving him credit for being some kind of evil genius.

As for the smoking thread, you got worked, no doubt about it. I only read you and Joe in the exchange because the other crap was simply noise.

I've often heard it said about generals that they "soldiered on" or, as in the case of Colin Powell, "he was always a good soldier."

I've never heard anybody say an Admiral sailored on.

It's just a shame that the illustrious career of a man like Admiral Fallon had to end this way, all because of a mangy cur like George Bush.

I used the post in question as an example, I didn't address Twinpac in any way, shape, or form.



lol

You quoted his post, including his name, and then started yours with "Here we have .... " in direct reference to what you quoted, but in no way, shape, or form did you address him. I guess because you didn't repeat his actual name. Again, literally true, but utter nonsense.

What a surprise.

Twin -- The Navy has tried to ensure that all officers count themselves as sailors first. The reemphasis of this would have been appreciated by Admiral Fallon, too. In the old days, the Navy was tiered between its officers and sailors. Recent initiatives tried to ensure that all officers consider themselves sailors first. I have to give Bush some defense on this one. In teh Air Force, all are "airmen"; in the Marine Corps, all are "marines"; in the Army, all are "soldiers", and so it is supposed to be with the USN.

T & C

I can agree with that. The Admiral probable refers to himself as a sailor.

But Bush wasn't talking generalities. He was supposed to be giving Admiral Fallon some high praise and appreciation for his years of service.

"Sailor" indeed!

Bush was just talking down his nose to a man in uniform who is 100 times his better.

Compared to Admiral Fallon, George Bush is a rubber mat under a urinal.

It was a power trip. Plain and simple.

Compared to Admiral Fallon, George Bush is a rubber mat under a urinal.

It was a power trip. Plain and simple.


Posted by Twinpac




Pure genius.

Poor, poor Admiral Fallon!

What a shame!

Maybe now he can be a Wal-Mart greeter?

Naaaaah, he'd probably complain against the boss there too....like a good Union Lib!

Good riddance you stuffed-suit traitor!

Abraham Lincoln was correct to fire McClelland (Coward/Traitor McClelland), and Bush was right to fire this lame ass traitor!

DOUBTINGTHOMAS

Surely you aren't implying that Admiral Fallon is a coward and a traitor.

Maybe you just made a mistake.

George Bush is the coward and traitor in this little stage play.

There! All fixed. You don't have to thank me. It was my pleasure.

"It was a power trip. Plain and simple."

Posted by Twinpac

Twin -- I have to agree that there is a psychotic dimension to the man, and he has little idea of what true character is all about. He also seemed demeaning toward McCain in slapping the Senator on the back after the endorsement ceremony in teh Rose Garden. Geez! The man has less character and perhaps a lower IQ than the Rose Garden gardener. At least the Rose Garden gardener had to pass a tough series of civil service tests, drug tests, and special background checks.

I love reading stories like these.

First: If true, then we should be at war with Iran in days since only he was against going into Iran.

Second: If Bush and Co. don't listen to other view points, then why haven't we already gone to war with Iran. If they were all for it then who was stopping them?

"Abraham Lincoln was correct to fire McClelland (Coward/Traitor McClelland), and Bush was right to fire this lame ass traitor!"

DoubtingThomas why don't you say something really awful and get RCADE to ban you and do us all a favor.

DANNI, if I was saying this against Bush, I'd be your hero. Since I say it against your blessed anti-establishment mindset I should be banned.

Typical PC liberal.

"I'd be your hero."

You would never be my hero. Trust me on that.

Calling Admiral Fallon a "lame ass traitor" just makes you look like an unthinking boob just interested in saying the most outrageous thing possible, lots of fourteen year old do it.

I should be banned.

Typical PC liberal.


NO! You should be keelhauled.

Typical Ground-Hugging Pussy.

"DOUBTINGTHOMAS

Surely you aren't implying that Admiral Fallon is a coward and a traitor."
--TWINPAC

DoubtingThomas is a douchebag for implying that about Admiral Fallon, whose service is to be respected and admired.

Lump him in with all the fuckers who trashed General Petraeus for political gain.

Good riddance you stuffed-suit traitor!

POSTED BY DOUBTINGTHOMAS