Somehow I think if Michael Vick had been present this would have made bigger headlines.

What's interesting is that when the Taliban were in power, dogfighting was illegal. Makes me wonder what kind of people we put in charge of the place.

Oh, and FF Regime!

On a side note, my buddy's wife just got deployed to Afghanistan for 15 months. She has been there three weeks, and one of the soldiers she deployed with was killed on Thursday in what they're calling a "motor vehicle accident."

Wow...80 killed and scores wounded at a dog fighting pit? Karma! I hope they all re-incarnate as dogs.

Evash,
Is your buddies wife a lying scumbag willing to coverup the real reason a coworker of hers died?

The problem with "stories" like yours is that they don't pass the smell test. It's no different then MoneyWar (or what ever that embarrassment calls himself now-a-days) claimed that the number of KIA in Iraq were being low-balled and distorted by not counting deaths that occurred stateside due to injuries in Iraq.

Do you think anyone other than a leftwing loon buys that shady story you're attempting to forward?

How many of the 80 died in the bombing, and how many as a result of bodyguards firing indiscriminately into the crowd won't probably be known. But someone there was targeted, and I doubt by the Taliban, as they don't murder wholesale like that.

My guess is the heroin trade is heating up. Thanks troops!

Hey Chair, a big "fuck you" to you and yours on this fine Sunday.

I got the information from her husband: I don't converse directly with her. He only hears from her sporadically. Email me, asshole, and I'll give you her name and unit, and also a few pictures of her in Afghanistan.

Motor vehicle accident, genius, is usually another way to say blown-the-fuck-up by an IED. Ya thick fuck!

Having been to many countries, unlike the Ugly American, I do not propose that they adhere to my countries beliefs, values, etc of the US. In some countries dogs are eaten. Conversely, I do not like them (such as Iran) to inflict their values and beliefs onto us.

Each onto their own.

Evash you dumb shit, a motor vehicle accident is not the same as being blown up by an IED. As i said stupid, your buddy and you don't know what you're talking about. If you did, that would make your buddy's wife a liar and an accomplice to a cover-up.

Her fellow service members wouldn't exactly go along with a lie.

How god damned stupid are you people? Do you not realize that soldiers write letters, call home, and talk to the media? Why wouldn't these people tell somebody that their fellow soldier was killed by an ied and not a car crash? The answer is they don't because it didn't happen the way you're trying to say it did.

Nice try though.

In fact, here's a snip from the email I received:

"Well, just got a call from the Family Readiness Group. One of the soldiers that deployed with (my wife) is dead.

SSG Washington from F Company, 6th Battalion died in Kuwait in what was called a "motor vehicle accident""

Yeah, Chair, maybe it was just a vehicle crash and nothing else. Of course, read the KIA roster from Iraq and you'll see quite a large number of "motor vehicle accidents" listed. I guess our soldiers are pretty crappy drivers. If I get deployed, I am going to take a Bondurant course beforehand. I'm not categorically calling bullshit on this, but I sure as hell won't discount that it was just a traffic accident, especially in the rural area where they are.

What a coincidence, here's a snip from an email I got:

Evash is a dumb-ass that thinks the vehicle accident was really a cover up and that the soldiers in that unit willingly go along with it.

There are reasons you see so many vehicular accidents in both war and in peace...They drive at night in dangerous terrain without headlights.
They are also usually 18-21 year old males that have a penchant for being wreckless.

In the 82nd, we had a sign (they still do) that says "X number of days with no division fatality". It would usually hover at 4 or 5 days, and then when a unit got back from a deployment or when the weekend would hit, somebody would die in a car or motorcycle crash, die in a boating/swimming/extreme sport accident, or get killed in training.
If it ever reached 82 days no fatality we'd get a 4 day weekend.

Hey, dick-head, the quotes were from her husband, not mine. A lot of these deaths are initially stated as vehicular accidents, but in fact turn out to be deaths from explosives or even small-arms fire. He is freaked out about her deployment, and also about their two young kids, and since he's somewhat familiar with how the Army does things (former E5), he's suspicious. But, hey, keep being a douche, it's what you do best.

Evash,
Don't pretend your intent with your original post wasn't to imply that the vehicle crash was really a cover up for an IED attack.
You got called out on your BS attempt and now you're tap dancing.

The soldiers in her unit know what happened, how it happened, and why it happened. They've no doubt already had 10 briefings and dress rehearsals on how to keep it from happening again.

Ignorance must be bliss. Simply forward an obvious false scenario and then when called on it provide smokescreen to distance yourself from the stupidity.

Evan, we all know Hairburn is dim and tries to compensate by being hostile. It's a family thing with him; not enough love at that critical age of development between birth and age 21.

It's true that there have been accidents, or incidents, in Afghanland that have claimed US military lives, and the reasons for these deaths have purposely gone unexplained. A little research into these deaths would yield no answers because none are forthcoming. I know of a young, bright military doctor who died there shortly after she arrived. No explanation at all.

The best way to deal with Hairburn is to make fun of him. He secretly loves it because he's getting the attention he so craves.

Somehow I'm not finding a lot of sympathy in my heart for the victims. And, when I read the headline aloud, I swear I could see my dogs smile.

Sagmain, it's funny because I actually like Chairborne; he's a funny-ass guy and it takes a long time before you actually begin to figure him and his brand of humor out. This is a particularly sensitive issue to me, obviously, and I merely forwarded the context as it was given to me. Am I suspicious? Hell yeah. After Pat Tillman, who isn't?

The point is that Afghanistan was supposed to be "done, won," and in fact it wasn't and isn't. Instead we're in fucking Iraq, and are now bleeding resources from that front back into Afghanistan.

Generico: I hear ya, but remember, the dogs were probably killed too!

Ev: Agreed.

Wow....where is PETA and CAIR
The religious of peace is at it again.
Can some one tell me why we need to refer to this satanic religion as of peace.

Hey, CMSA1R!

Where does it say that this attack was religious and not political?

If the Illinois shooter turns out to be catholic, can I refer to that sarcastically as the religion of peace, too?

Evash is a dumb-ass that thinks the vehicle accident was really a cover up and that the soldiers in that unit willingly go along with it.


Yeah and did you know Pat Tillman died in a knife fight with Osama bin laden? It must be true. His unit all says so.

SSG Washington from F Company, 6th Battalion died in Kuwait in what was called a "motor vehicle accident""

F company, 6th battalion what? What brigade? Since the troop was in Kuwait, they were not deployed yet anyway.

Hey Chair, good to see you. I will have to check that accident board on Gruber today to see where it is. If it reaches 30 days we get a training holiday...

"Sleep well tonight you liberal pussies, the real men of the 82nd Airborne is on point tonight!"

Boaz

Boaz,
Good catch on the location of the accident. Kuwait certainly isn't Tora bora.

Sagman,
It's dimbulbs like you with absolutely no concept of how the military works that are always forwarding bullshit and claiming it's fact.
Like the stooge Northgay, your obvious stupidity is blinding.

Dog fighting? At least my Filipino relatives are civilized ...... my brother in law raises fighting cocks!

At least my Filipino relatives are civilized ...... my brother in law raises fighting cocks!

Your bro-in-law raises cocks? That must be the fancy way of saying he's a fluffer.

This from the Dept of Defense website:

"DoD Identifies Army Casualty

The Department of Defense announced today the death of a soldier who was supporting Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Capt. (Dr.) Roselle M. Hoffmaster, 32, of Cleveland, Ohio, died Sept. 20 in Kirkuk, Iraq, of injuries sustained from a non-combat related incident. She was assigned to the Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division, Fort Drum, N.Y.

The circumstances surrounding the death are under investigation."


Dr. Hoffmaster died on Sept. 20, 1997. That DoD news memo was Sept. 22. No further information regarding her death has been released. Not anywhere.

Clinton killed her.

Perhaps if she was such a good friend of yours as you claim you could contact her family and ask them what happened?

"Non combat related injury"...Yeah, doctors (female ones especially) usually don't see a whole lot of combat, so I can see why you consider her death suspicious.

Perhaps the DoD should fill you, Sagman, in on the details of every soldiers death so that you can determine if it's shady or not?

Your mommy lied, you aren't special.

Sadsac,
I forgot, Kirkuk is not in Afghanistan, it is in Iraq. Claiming you know of a doctor that died shortly after their arrival "there" (when we were discussing Afghanistan) makes you look like an even bigger idiot.
She was such a good friend that you weren't even aware of where she died? Amazing.

I know of a young, bright military doctor who died there shortly after she arrived.

Where does sagmain claim she is a good friend in this sentence?

Do you follow the deaths of people you aren't friends with and bring it up 11 years after it happened?
Do you feel you're privy to information about people you "know of"?

The clown was talking out of his ass. Anyone can cruise a casualty report and pretend to "know of" them. I "know of" a shitload of pant pissing liberals that will make up all sorts of transparent bullshit about members of our military in order to forward the most ridiculous notions.

Do you follow the deaths of people you aren't friends with and bring it up 11 years after it happened?
Do you feel you're privy to information about people you "know of"?

Dr. Hoffmaster died in 2007 and I'm sure many people from her neck of the woods are interested in finding out about the circumstances surrounding her death.

Rein: I tried to follow the news of Hoffmaster's death as closely as I could since she and my daughter went to the same college. I became interested in her history, her passions, and her life. There but for the grace of God could have gone my daughter. Or yours. Or any daughter of any parent.

I'm especially moved by the deaths of female soldiers; I find them deeply disturbing and I want to know why and how they died.

Unfortunately, nothing has been forthcoming from any media outlet as to the circumstances of Hoffmaster's death. I google her name every few days, but nothing. Its sad to me that there's no further information.

I'm especially moved by the deaths of female soldiers

It so much easier on all of us when only the men get shot and killed.

It so much easier on all of us when only the men get shot and killed.

Women have no place on the front lines.

Cheers,
Walt

Do you?

Cheers,
Betelgeuse

Do you?

Cheers,
Betelgeuse

Who cares about me? I did my time.

Doesn't change the fact that women don't need to be on the front lines.

Cheers,
Walt

Ozark: Killing and bloodsport seems to be hardwired in men's psyches. Women aren't entirely immune, but I tend to idealize them as somehow above our macho insanities. When they get pulled into violence created by men, I can't shrug it off like they're just more bodies in a growing pile.

What about dinosaurs? Do they? If not, should their opinions count anyway?

Cheers,
Betelgeuse

Sagmain-
Is it good to think that "they're just more bodies in a growing pile"? Is that what we are after?

What about dinosaurs? Do they? If not, should their opinions count anyway?

Cheers,
Betelgeuse

Are you drinking?

Cheers,
Walt

Since you "did your time", and owe no more, I find it rather quaint that your fading self would even care to weigh in on which willing and able (unlike yourself, who has "done...his time" and can no longer be bothered with action) American is or is not "needed" on the battlefield.

Are you shrinking?

Cheers,
Betelgeuse

So by your logic, anyone that isn't physically on the front lines can't have an opinion. Sounds fitting. And you want to dictate the terms by which I am allowed to have an opinion. Fitting.

Cheers,
Walt

Walt-
re: "anyone that isn't physically on the front lines can't have an opinion"

Not at all.

You can have all the opinions you like. But you've "done" your time and aren't interested in the job. It seems rather feeble of you to deny a woman the opportunity to fight, since you surely won't.

You can have all the opinions you like. But you've "done" your time and aren't interested in the job. It seems rather feeble of you to deny a woman the opportunity to fight, since you surely won't.

I think you may be barking up the wrong tree on this one. You do realize that I currently reside in a villa in downtown Kabul?

-Walt

Damn! You're in the military?

My apologies if so. I guess I'm just tired of old private sector farts rendering verdicts on the military they left decades ago.

It seems rather feeble of you to deny a woman the opportunity to fight, since you surely won't.

Since I surely won't eh? That must mean you surely would. What unit are you assigned to?

Damn! You're in the military?

No I am not. I was a few years ago, spent the last few years contracting.

I'm especially moved by the deaths of female soldiers; I find them deeply disturbing

Why? There are women patriots you know...

Not all women are men haters, not all women are "scarred", not all are out there telling men they arent emotional enough, trying to mold an entire generation of men into sobbing blobs of emotions that women can control like the current feminists movement. There are women out there who understand the threat and are willing to put their lives on the line. I agree with Walt, they dont belong on the front lines, but I have served in combat with some women, and I couldnt have served with better soldiers.

Going to breakfast now. I will check back with you in a bit.

Cheers

but I have served in combat with some women, and I couldnt have served with better soldiers.

So have I Boaz, and I still do not think they belong there. (((self deleted additional comment)))

You do realize that I currently reside in a villa in downtown Kabul?

Damn Walt, we finally got within the same hemisphere and didnt even know it! I just left theater last month. You been down to Khandahar yet?

Boaz,

Shit man. I wasn't sure if you made it over. Haven't been to Kandahar. Bagram and now Kabul. Bagram sucks. If you have any friends in Kabul that need anything let me know.

Too easy man, I just redeployed. I spent a year at Bagram. Keep your head down man...

Boaz

You know 2000 people protested outside the main gate at Bagram? I think some of them got shot.

So you were in Bagram eh? That really sucks. I arrived there just before X-Mas.

Dr. Hoffmaster died on Sept. 20, 1997. That DoD news memo was Sept. 22. No further information regarding her death has been released. Not anywhere.





Posted by sagmain at 2008-02-17 07:32 PM | Reply


Dr. Hoffmaster died in 2007

Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2008-02-17 08:14 PM | Reply

Somebody's fibbing.

Regardless, what kind of sick pud combs the casualty reports and thinks he deserves a full accounting of the manner of death? If you're not family then keep your nose out of somebody else's business.
What a morbid pud.

"What's interesting is that when the Taliban were in power, dogfighting was illegal. Makes me wonder what kind of people we put in charge of the place."

Personally, I don't care what kind of people are in charge over there as long as they don't treat Al Queda as their version of the Foreign Legion. I don't know why Bush had to market that war as being about democracy anyway.

Having said that.... Are you kidding? Dogfighting is cruel to the animals and we love our dogs and all but.... Are you kidding? The Taliban outlawed music, kite flying, soccer (but they used the international funded stadium for public beheadings), movies, art exhibits including hanging pictures and portraits, shaving, New Year's Eve (and women at any culural celebrations), etc etc etc. They treated women like animals and went around beating the shit out of people for minor religious infractions. And of course they executed people at the drop of a hat.

I know some people have a reflexive need to blame everything, such as aspects of Afghan culture that offend us, on the US but you really need to find better heros than the fucking Taliban.

Sully, you are mostly correct, so sorta mea culpa. What about the resurgence of the poppies and the opium trade now that the Taliban are out of power? What's your opinion on that?