Fuck it......I am waiting until I can fight them over here.

Until then, piss your own pants over dark skinned people.

I'm not playing the stupid game anymore.

Meet me at the 7-11, Manypaths. We'll take back America for all Christ-fearing Godians. Or God-fearing Christians. Or something white.

Or something white.

You mean pork!

Four Zodiac inflatable rafts threatened US destroyers and Aircraft Carriers circling Iran's navigable waters. They sent radio messages and threw empty boxes in the water, before running away.

Time to save the country, enlist now.

Five speedboats buzz the fleet and oil goes up $3 a barrel.
Prezdent Amandapajamas may be nuts, but he sure ain't stupid.

Until then, piss your own pants over dark skinned people.
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Of course. Because if it were white skinned folks threatening our ships we'd just ignore them right? Just like if it were white skinned folks flooding across our southern border we'd have no problems with them... cause it's all about race.

PRE-EMPTIVE STRIKE! DO IT NOW! PRESS THE RED BUTTON! YOU ARE THE PRESIDENT! YOU DO NOT NEED ANYONE'S PERMISSION! DO IT!

Fuck it......I am waiting until I can fight them over here.

Posted by Manypaths

Ya, lets fight them in the streets of NYC.

Then who would drive the cabs?

"Four Zodiac inflatable rafts threatened US destroyers and Aircraft Carriers circling Iran's navigable waters. They sent radio messages and threw empty boxes in the water, before running away.

Time to save the country, enlist now."

23 million Young Republicans just called their proctologists, complaining of butt boils.

Ya, lets fight them in the streets of NYC.

That's the point. It ain't gonna happen.

But don't try to tell a fool like you that.....

Then why don't we stay on our side of the pool.

This story would have more credibility if Iran harrased ships in San Francisco Bay.

I do not advocate attacking Iran, but I do have something to say to you geniuses who are poking fun at the idea of large ships being wary around fast little boats:

USS Cole.

Good news for the Fear and Smear party.

Good news for the Fear and Smear party.
Posted by YoMeLIB


Why is this good news?

This Masquerade!
The real story,if there actually is one,is that the purported "harassing" Iranian ships were actually Israeli ships "disguised" as Iranian ships! Of course the Pentagon and the US Navy are in on this low grade "masquerade".
The bottom line is that Israel and the oil lusting Bush Regime will now go to any length to foment and launch a war on Iran before its too late - i.e. before Bush's authority as president runs out!

Now THAT is some good shrooms!

Do I hear the chorus of

"Bomb bomb bomb,

Bomb bomb Iran!"

gently playing in the background?

Bush will get his World War III (or is it IV?) yet!

377 days 4 hours 3 minutes left!

"Good news for the Fear and Smear party.
Posted by YoMeLIB


Why is this good news?

Posted by MrFair "



Great news for the war party and their determination to start another war ! ! !

"Good news for the Fear and Smear party.
Posted by YoMeLIB
Why is this good news?
Posted by MrFair "
Great news for the war party and their determination to start another war ! ! !
Posted by YoMeLIB


OH! I get it. But which party? The Repubs or the Dems?

Lately I've been hearing quite a lot about Repub GWB and all the mistakes he's made. Fair fodder for discussion and, ultimately, for History to judge.

I think it was LEE ATWATER that said it best on here yesterday or the day before.

"Gulf of Tonkin ring a bell"
Just more corporate media spin coming from the same people that are making billions from the war, and raping the US tax payer.

The people on here that support this crap think they are being true Americans when in fact they are just being dupes, aiding the down fall of the US.

The US will soon be going the way of the USSR. And all of the war supporters can give them selves a big pat on the back when it happens.

And anyone still believing that there is a difference between the dems. and reps. are still locked into the brainwashed mind set that there is actually 2 different parties with 2 different power bases. They are all globalist/corporatist puppets.
Ron Paul is the only real choice. That is why the lie and slander machine has been launched against him.

I wonder how the United States would react if Iran had invaded Canada and Mexico... Do you think American's would be a little paranoid? You wouldn't have idiots like Ahmadineajeajcijtoaad in power if the people of Iran weren't so paranoid. Especially considering we named Iran part of the so called "axis of evil". I don't think we made things any better when we declared the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, either.

That's not to excuse what happened in this incident. The Iranians were playing with fire here, and certainly deserved a torpedo or two for pulling a stupid stunt like that. However, it's a fire that the US could have prevented had we been a bit more cautious regarding our handling of the Middle East. I'm very glad that the commander of this ship knew enough to use caution before doing something that could cause more problems then it was worth.

""I do not advocate attacking Iran, but I do have something to say to you geniuses who are poking fun at the idea of large ships being wary around fast little boats:

USS Cole.""

Couldn't agree with you more Mr. Fair, and if the Captain of our ship over there deems it necessary to blow the Iranian boats out of the water then so be it. I have no problem with American sailors defending themselves from even the possiblity of a suicide attack. However, that should not, in any way, be an excuse to bomb anything or anywhere inside the country or Iran. Proportional response not WWIII. I don't think too many Iranians would be anxious to confront our ships after the destruction of a few of their vessels.

""The US will soon be going the way of the USSR.""

Jeff, just in case no one told you....you are crazy as a loon. I'm no right wing flag waver but the US is not getting ready to collapse, it's sad that you would even think such a thing. I think you've been away too long.

Danni,
You have managed to not resort to name calling for the past 3 years. I don't agree with your politics, but I have always been respectful of your opinions.
Name calling is usually the result of desperation, and not having a good argument to throw back at the retort opponent. It is most often used by the likes of Rob the Hole, and other attack artists on Drudge.
I guess maybe you are so entrenched in your government job that the fact of the US collapsing is to scary for you to deal with.
The globalists are still planning on escalating the war, and they are vigorously trying to cook up something to invade Iran.
I don't have to tell you this stuff. You know it is happening.
The debt is out of control. The military is over extended.
The dollar is at an all time low.
Housing forclosiers are at an all time high.
The list goes on, and on.
Yeah! I'm crazy as a loon, all right.
I'm just making all of this stuff up.
Get a grip on reality Danni, and stop allowing fear to control your logic.

"Housing forclosiers are at an all time high."

Blame the gov'ment? Or blame the idiots who thought they could afford more expensive housing during a housing bubble, and are now in trouble? Personal responsibility is hard for a lot of people, so let's blame the man for this problem.

Personal responsibility is hard for a lot of people

Posted by libbies_smell

Will you take responsibility for your obvious lack of intelligence?

Will you take responsibility for your obvious lack of intelligence?
Posted by byrdman


Byrd - knee jerk alert. LibbiesSmell is not showing a lack of intelligence. If you don't happen to agree with his post, fair enough, but no need to question his intelligence.

The level of ignorance displayed on this thread is astounding. The people expressing concern over this (hint: The fucking sailors being threatened) are pants pissers?

I guess our government ignoring the deaths of 17 sailors aboard the US Cole convinced some of you sheep that it wasn't worth remembering. Pathetic.

The nuclear program hubris failed, boy dunder needs another fake reason to attack.

Had any of the u.s. ships been seriously threatened, those zippy little boats would have been eliminated. As it stands, its just more sheep-feed for the fucking right to try to justify another illegal war.

Re: Home foreclosures - how about blaming the greedy capitalist bastards who lent $500k to people without looking to see if they had a frickin' job? Personal responsibility is just another phrase used by corporate a-holes to shift the blame to their victims.

How that ended up on this thread, I dunno.

"Had any of the u.s. ships been seriously threatened, those zippy little boats would have been eliminated."

They were making serious threats and they weren't eliminated so your statement is in direct opposition with reality.

"As it stands, its just more sheep-feed for the fucking right to try to justify another illegal war."

So the sailors made this up or over reacted because they wanted to give Bush an excuse to start a war (as if he needs one)? That doesn't make much sense. You can call other people sheep all you want but your statements definitely fit into a certain school of thought much more than they do any common sense assessment of the incident.

This just in:

"TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - Iran on Wednesday called video and audio released by the Pentagon showing Iranian Revolutionary Guards boats confronting U.S. warships in the Strait of Hormuz "fabricated," a state-run television station reported.

"The footage released by the U.S. Navy was compiled using file pictures and the audio has been fabricated," the English-language channel Press TV quoted an official in the Revolutionary Guards as saying.

The report did not give the name of the Revolutionary Guard figure and did not offer more details about how the official knew the footage was "fabricated.""

When asked about this report, US President Bush responded curtly with, "D'oh!"

The crazy thing is that Iran is now saying that we made the whole thing up.

I know this is a bit off topic, but reading this thread made me curious.

Why doesn't American re-instate the draft? Any ideas as to what's stopping it from happening? And what might the ramifications be? I know we have been told that this is the "crisis of our generation" and all that, but even if you disagree, it's still very wrong and have so much on the shoulders of so few. I joined the NG because I knew guys who had been deployed and extended, and I wanted to do something. I don't know if my unit will be deployed, however, but it remains a possibility. I do feel a bit better since W has just about a year left.

The draft is political suicide. That would also be an admission that the "Forever War" is not supported by the all volunteer Army.

My thoughts are that a draft would end the "war" immediately.

The draft is also slavery, but I agree, Donnorboy.

Why are our boats even fucking there?

"Why are our boats even fucking there?"

Because it is international waters and they have as much right to be there as they do in an American port. In fact, just about every nation DOES have ships transiting those straits every day. Look at a map, idiot. Guess why they ALL USE that water.

Nice dodge, JGA- They are there to harrass the iranians, pure and simple.

You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.

"Why are our boats even fucking there?" -alexandrite

Intimidation? It seems we've been doing it since Hiroshima. Arguably Hiroshima wasn't necessary and was just a way of saying, "don't fuck with us, we're in charge now". Likewise, we seem to continue to try to intimidate and/or punish those who defy us.

just about every nation DOES have ships transiting those straits every day

And IM the idiot? If our ships were using the strait to go somewhere else, they wouldn't still be there, dickhead.

I can't believe how many of people on this board act like Iran, or any other country for that matter, is not a possible threat to the global community, much less the United States.

Do you people really live in a world where every government just loves the USA and there aren't any who would love to see us destroyed? Well, wake up.

Those soldiers on those ships out there are risking their lives for you. Do you realize that? And those fast little boats can kill just as easily as our big boats.

But you don't care if those men and women on those ships end up dead, just like Clinton didn't care about the ones on the Cole. And I say clinton because you are very much like him. You want to hide behind our borders and just hope that all the world's problems will go away and leave us alone.

They won't

I love it...3 warships hanging around intl waters by iran is EXACTLY the same as, say, a commercial boat using the strait over there to ship something.

You're the idiot, justgettingabong.

I ask again:

WHy does the US have three warships hanging around the strait of hormuz? They have been there for quite some time now.

"Do you people really live in a world where every government just loves the USA and there aren't any who would love to see us destroyed? Well, wake up." -Everlong

Quite the opposite. These countries hate us. They hate us because we use their countries as bases and because we scare the shit out of them. If we left them alone they would eventually stop caring about us. It would take a generation, but it would happen. That's not to say we should have done nothing about 9/11. But we should have learned a lesson that would prevent it from happening, taken caution when going into the ME and we definitely shouldn't have involved Iraq. We should have kept it up in Afghanistan and done what we needed to do in Pakistan, but cautiously. Instead we are making the situation worse because we can't afford to stay there and the real violence will surface if we leave.

"And IM the idiot? If our ships were using the strait to go somewhere else, they wouldn't still be there, dickhead."

YES! You ARE the idiot. I bet you don't know their classification, to which fleet they are attached, or their mission where they are. Hint....they are not the same ships that were ther LAST year. Before you go any further, please recite to me the primary mission of the United States Navy.

"They hate us because we use their countries as bases and because we scare the shit out of them. If we left them alone they would eventually stop caring about us."

You're kidding yourself. Those oil-producing countries need that strait to remain open and are grateful to the U.S. Navy for ensuring that it DOES remain open. Iran would love to shut it down and their objective is to have the U.S. withdraw it's protection of those straits. I'm sure glad you and your little friends aren't making foreign policy decisions.

The ships are there to protect persian gulf oil interests and intimidate the iranians.

It's not a coincidence that they started showing up there right as the deadline for iran to stop enriching uranium or face sanctions came.

Meanwhile, Iran hasn't had a nuclear weapons program since 2003.

Iran would love to shut it down

That would be economic suicide for iran. You really ARE the idiot here.

"Meanwhile, Iran hasn't had a nuclear weapons program since 2003."

Right...and they didn't have a nuclear program at all according to the CIA and other intelligence agencies until it was discovered they had one for over twenty fuckin' years. Gullible...just gullible.

"Why doesn't American re-instate the draft? Any ideas as to what's stopping it from happening? And what might the ramifications be?"

Are you kidding? Can you imagine the uproar? Young men who are being sent to some shithole against their will are going to want to know why. So are their families. Bush knows that the war in Iraq wouldn't hold up to such scrutiny.

In fact, look at the other things that haven't happened: Increased to taxes to pay for the war? Nope. Rationing of resources? No way. A campaign to sell war bonds? Not even that.

Why? Because even these smaller sacrifices would cause people to think about this war in terms of something that has a real cost.

"but even if you disagree, it's still very wrong and have so much on the shoulders of so few."

Of course it is wrong. There is no way to justify the fact that our government hasn't even bothered to ask for even minimal support from the general population. But that is the only way the people supporting this war can stay in power. They are just lucky that most people don't give a shit about what is fair as long they aren't the ones getting the short end of the stick.

Right...and they didn't have a nuclear program at all according to the CIA and other intelligence agencies until it was discovered they had one for over twenty fuckin' years. Gullible...just gullible.

Posted by jestgettinalong at 2008-01-09 03:20 PM | Reply | Flag:


16 intel agencies agreed that they stopped the program in 2003. 16!

I'll listen to them before I listen to you, jest...

Sully- Your post at 3:21 is dead on. Been saying exactly that kind of stuff to my friends for awhile now.

"That would be economic suicide for iran."

Iran is good at suicide: Besides, they would just shut it down for everone else, not themselves. When they mined the straits years back, THEY knew where the mines were. Go read some history. Would you SERIOUSLY believe some like Ahmadinejad who said the holocaust is a myth and who did stuff like THIS?



"The deployment of the Basiji in the mine fields shows what one can expect from the Mullah-Regime By Matthias Kntzel

In pondering the behavior of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, I cannot help but think of the 500,000 plastic keys that Iran imported from Taiwan during the Iran-Iraq War of 1980-88. At the time, an Iranian law laid down that children as young as 12 could be used to clear mine fields, even against the objections of their parents. Before every mission, a small plastic key would be hung around each of the children's necks. It was supposed to open for them the gates to paradise.

"In the past," wrote the semi-official Iranian daily Ettela'at, "we had child-volunteers: 14-, 15-, and 16-year-olds. They went into the mine fields. Their eyes saw nothing. Their ears heard nothing. And then, a few moments later, one saw clouds of dust. When the dust had settled again, there was nothing more to be seen of them. Somewhere, widely scattered in the landscape, there lay scraps of burnt flesh and pieces of bone." Such scenes could henceforth be avoided, Ettela'at assured its readers. "Before entering the mine fields, the children [now] wrap themselves in blankets and they roll on the ground, so that their body parts stay together after the explosion of the mines and one can carry them to the graves."[1]

"Those oil-producing countries need that strait to remain open and are grateful to the U.S. Navy for ensuring that it DOES remain open." -JGA

I assume you are mostly talking about Saudi Arabia? I agree, the SA government wants us there for that reason, but the population hates us for protecting Israel and for occupying their country. The evidence of American hatred can be seen by looking at the number of SA nationals who took part in the 9/11 attacks. It's the culture and popular opinion that are the problem. The result is a SA government that is both pro- and anti-America at the same time. Pro because they need us and anti because they need to appease their people. It's dangerous helping these people.

"16 intel agencies agreed that they stopped the program in 2003. 16!"

Right...and NONE of them knew of the SECRET program Iran was running for DECADES! DECADES!...that means LOTS of years, Alex. They knew ZIP, nada, squat, NOTHING until recently. And that includes ALL 16! But now they know everything about it ...right? LOL.

"""They were making serious threats and they weren't eliminated so your statement is in direct opposition with reality."""

Bullshit. You have already decided your version and have abdicated any sense of objectivity on the matter. The u.s. ships were preparing to shoot, following protocol, and nothing happened because there was no imminent threat. The WH and the Pentagon have lost all credibility so their version has no more weight than Imapyjama claiming that it was all fabricated.

"""So the sailors made this up or over reacted because they wanted to give Bush an excuse to start a war (as if he needs one)? That doesn't make much sense. You can call other people sheep all you want but your statements definitely fit into a certain school of thought much more than they do any common sense assessment of the incident."""


Not made up, just exaggerated and milked ad nauseam by the bush league to force fit reality with their predetermined policy (aka iraqing reality). First they tried by accusing iran (and syria) of actively supporting and sending enemy combatants to iraq to fight the u.s., turned out to be mostly bullshit, the main source of foreign combatants in iraq being from SA, for which the u.s. did fuck all, as was the case for 911. Then the idiot boy tried accusing them of supplying weapons, which also fizzled, not gaining traction. Then he went down the "nuclear terror" and "WWIII" path, to be shut down by the watchdogs. Now u.s. war ships that are halfway across the world, in iran's backyard were "threatened" by a few speedboats buzzing them, making iran "a threat to international peace"!? That is the 4th obvious attempt to vilify iran and convince the gullible u.s. public that an attack on iran would be justified. I'm not exonerating iran, i'm not that naive, but from the outside, looking at both parties, the u.s. has no more credibility than iran, even less when it comes to starting unnecessary or illegal wars.

Considering that the first 3 attempts were either lies or exaggerations, you would have to be a sheep to buy this shit at face value.

In any case, the u.s. ships most likely have capabilities of striking anywhere within iran and u.s. has proven repeatedly that they will start wars for their own commercial interests or that of their allies...now, objectively, who do you think should be most worried?

"The result is a SA government that is both pro- and anti-America at the same time. Pro because they need us and anti because they need to appease their people. It's dangerous helping these people."

You're not wrong about that...but it boils down to the fact that it's in our own national interest to help them in order to prevent Iran from getting control of the world's energy. Too bad, but that's the way it is. Especially since we can't develop our OWN energy and become independent. Hell, the Chinese are drilling off our coasts, but WE CAN'T. Wanna 'splain that one to me?

WHy does the US have three warships hanging around the strait of hormuz? They have been there for quite some time now.
Protecting the oil used by the US and world. Protecting your economy. Any more questions?

WHy does the US have three warships hanging around the strait of hormuz? They have been there for quite some time now.
Protecting the oil used by the US and world. Protecting your economy. Any more questions?

The US soldiers handled this totally wrong. I can't believe these toy boats were allowed to get this close to our destoyers, play games the way they did, threaten them and then float away like nothing ever happended. It was'nt so long ago that 17 soldiers died of similar circumstances in Yemen. Not even a warnng shot was fired. What were they waiting for, the first ship to blow up before something was done to save the next?

We have a geat and powerful military but siometimes the decision making is entirely suspect.

"You're not wrong about that...but it boils down to the fact that it's in our own national interest to help them in order to prevent Iran from getting control of the world's energy. Too bad, but that's the way it is. Especially since we can't develop our OWN energy and become independent. Hell, the Chinese are drilling off our coasts, but WE CAN'T. Wanna 'splain that one to me?" -JGA

Once again, agreed, we should be able to drill, but more importantly, we need to open up our free market. Oil subsidies are keeping new technologies from blossoming under the demand of the market. I believe we could have already been past the need of oil if we had let the market do what it's supposed to do. Then we'd have no need to worry about who has oil and who's drilling what where.

Pancovilla, from your comments you must have spent too much time in Siesta. Your uninformed. Do you really think the Iranians were not behind the majority of the violence in Iraq. Have you not made the correlation between the reduction of violence in Iraq with the change of the Iranian Nuclear assesment?

"Pro because they need us"

Modification:

Pro because they want our money. Without the oil and our money, SA would be just another pile of shifting sand of little to no consequence.

The US turns a blind eye to the human rights violations, the subjugation of women, the persecution of Christians, etc., because the Saudis have The Black Gold.

Again, without the oil, who'd know or even care?

The US is taking a greater interest in Africa because Nigeria, Angola, and Algeria are becoming serious oil producers. In fact, the numbers for Nigeria are increasing to match what we get from Saudi and Mexico, and Venezuela. Otherwise...

Kenya has very little we want.

What were they waiting for, the first ship to blow up before something was done to save the next?
If the US sank one of these boats, the first word out of every demorats mouth would be 'wagging the dog'...

"Once again, agreed, we should be able to drill, but more importantly, we need to open up our free market. Oil subsidies are keeping new technologies from blossoming under the demand of the market. I believe we could have already been past the need of oil if we had let the market do what it's supposed to do. Then we'd have no need to worry about who has oil and who's drilling what where."

I will agree. There are MANY forces affecting the market in addition to subsidies, silly environmental restrictions to name just one. France is still building reactors and China is building new refineries like mad. We are already way behind the curve and if we started TODAY it would take years before we could see ant real benefit.

Kenya has very little we want. You are wrong. Kenya has one of the strongest and stable economies in Afica.

Look at what happened in Somalia, when the US tried to help a country that has no strategic value.

Damned it you do, damned it you don't.

"Pancovilla, from your comments you must have spent too much time in Siesta."

Poor ol' Paco...he thinks all the trouble with Iran and others in the Middle East began in 2000. In his mind we were all great buds until Bush was elected.

"Pancovilla, from your comments you must have spent too much time in Siesta."

Poor ol' Paco...he thinks all the trouble with Iran and others in the Middle East began in 2000. In his mind we were all great buds until Bush was elected.

"""Do you really think the Iranians were not behind the majority of the violence in Iraq. """

I think the u.s. was and still is behind the majority of the violence in iraq. As for iran, read the facts, take a nap, get back to me.

""Do you really think the Iranians were not behind the majority of the violence in Iraq.""

ARe you trying to pretend that the Shia in Iran have some sort of control over the Sunni in Iraq.
Excuse me, I have to laugh out loud.
What kind of kool aide makes one say such things anyway????

We should have kept it up in Afghanistan and done what we needed to do in Pakistan, but cautiously. Instead we are making the situation worse because we can't afford to stay there and the real violence will surface if we leave. - Alexandrite

Pakistan, huh? That not only seeems a bit selective on your part, but could turn into a much bigger powder keg for the world than what we are facing now. And believe me, the only people pissed about us going into Iraq, except for the bleeding hearts in America, are in the Middle East. They were happy with Sadddam and the way he operated and kept "control" of his country. Nice way to control by the way.

And to all of you idiots who are wondering why we have US ships over there, it is because they are protecting a huge amount of the world's oil supply. People like you bitch and moan about the US being oil hungry and that we went in to Iraq just for oil, while you enjoy your microwaves and cars and tennis shoes and all the latest fashions and your homes and every single thing in them.

Oil is responsible for all of that stuff. Do you want us to just quit buying and protecting oil? Sure, we need alternative ways of energy but right now oil is the main source of energy in the entire world and we don't protect it just for ourselves.



Let's say you are right, and we shouldn't have gone into Iraq. Well, for one, Uday and Kusay would one day be ruling that country and they are a hell of a lot nastier than Saddam ever dreamed if being

I can't believe that anyone actually believes that Iran has not been responsible for a huge amount of the killing and overall problems in Iraq. Hell, they're happy as shit to be able to kill Americans. And for anyone to think that they are not mixed up in this in a big way is either very poorly informed or just flat out ignorant.

poorly informed or just flat out ignorant
In other words, you mean Danni?

I'm not playing the stupid game anymore.
ManyBaths, you could have fooled me.

I can't believe that anyone actually believes that Iran has not been responsible for a huge amount of the killing and overall problems in Iraq. Hell, they're happy as shit to be able to kill Americans. And for anyone to think that they are not mixed up in this in a big way is either very poorly informed or just flat out ignorant.

Posted by everlong at 2008-01-09 05:25 PM

hmmm how did they ever manage to get into the position of being able to kill Americans?

Let me see.... the incompetence of the Bush Administration?

as for Uday and Kusay and Saddam... you don't send the entire military and spend a Trillion dollars to assassinate assholes when a special forces team could have done the job.

We had Iraq contained. We did not need to occupy the country.

""I can't believe that anyone actually believes that Iran has not been responsible for a huge amount of the killing and overall problems in Iraq.""

I can't believe that you have an opinion about something you have no way of knowing anything about....and apparently a strong opinion. In truth you don't have a clue about where the violence in Iraq is coming from. On this blog this morning we read of six Americans killed, by bombs planted by Sunnis....are you actually going to try to contend that Iran was somehow responsible???
Get a clue.

Kenya has exactly what the west wants, a puppet and pliable govt.

This Masquerade!
The real story,if there actually is one,is that the purported "harassing" Iranian ships were actually Israeli ships "disguised" as Iranian ships! Of course the Pentagon and the US Navy are in on this low grade "masquerade".
The bottom line is that Israel and the oil lusting Bush Regime will now go to any length to foment and launch a war on Iran before its too late - i.e. before Bush's authority as president runs out!
Posted by AntiCadillac at 2008-01-08 07:13 PM

You are correct, this is a joint operation "false flag".

The video shows one single speed boat with three people, the driver wearing a large red parka.

The audio is broadcast from somplace - not that little speed boat.

"Soon you will see Iraqi oil flowing to Haifa. It is just a matter of time until the pipeline is reconstituted, and Iraqi oil will flow to the Mediterranean. It's not a pipe dream."
2003, Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Finance Minister

I can't believe that you have an opinion about something you have no way of knowing anything about....and apparently a strong opinion. In truth you don't have a clue about where the violence in Iraq is coming from. On this blog this morning we read of six Americans killed, by bombs planted by Sunnis....are you actually going to try to contend that Iran was somehow responsible???
Get a clue.


Get a clue, huh? So our military is just flat out lying when they are showing Irani made ordinances on television for the world to see. Serial numbers, call signs and all, and I need to get a clue.

You're a true idiot. I don't know who is resposible for the deaths of those 6 soldiers, but I do know we know Iran has its grubby paws all over Iraq. You get a clue and just look at the frickin logic of it.

GWB and all the mistakes he's made. Fair fodder for discussion and, ultimately, for History to judge.


Posted by MrFair at 2008-01-09 12:02 AM


YEAH!

Try that speech on your supervisor at your next performance review (you know that thing your employer uses every year to judge your performance) and see what it gets you!

"So our military is just flat out lying when they are showing Irani made ordinances on television for the world to see. Serial numbers, call signs and all, and I need to get a clue."

"but I do know we know Iran has its grubby paws all over Iraq."
Posted by everlong at 2008-01-10 11:05 AM

YEAH!

As if we don't!
But what do you expect out of a member of the Entitlement Party


And yes you do need a clue. Clue one would be revisiting those "Irani Weapons" and recognizing they are from the United Emirates and not Iran! Twit!

You know, there is a good reason that we have a saying, don't believe everything you see or read, but some people, like yourself, don't believe a single thing you read or hear if it comes from our government or military. That's just illogical, but no surprise since libs think with emotion and not logic.

And my supervisors know full well that Iran is in Iraq making as much trouble as they can. They were citizens of Iran, not part of the government. There is a huge difference. Do you even realize there is a difference and that the citizens of Iran, for the most part, do not hate America. In fact, they love it.

Oh, and by the way, they are wonderful people who actually have much better knowledge of the goings on in Iran then any American does, and they are not ashamed or afraid to talk about it. They know it is the government and not the people causing the problems.

don't believe a single thing you read or hear if it comes from our government or military

YEAH!


I don't believe a word the government spews --- regardless of party in power!

You on the other hand reserve skepticism for only the apposing party!

Now you call that what you will, one thing is for sure ------ its Unprincipled, Inconsistent (aka partisan) and oh so NOT conservative no matter how you try to spin it!

But you are a Bush Cultists after all so it's not at all unexpected (in fact it's become predictable)!

You know, there is a good reason that we have a saying, don't believe everything you see or read, but some people, like yourself, don't believe a single thing you read or hear if it comes from our government or military. That's just illogical, but no surprise since libs think with emotion and not logic.

after being lied to for 7 years you tend to be a bit more skeptical... or maybe that just applies to Democrats and not Republicans?

But, really it doesn't matter what they say or do as Truth is the First Casualty of War....it is all about how we got to where we are. You have to take this story with a grain of salt and try to see through the veil to the truth.

Again I ask why is it and how is it that the Iranians appear to be in a position that they are even able to kill American Troops?

Bush is a good politician but a God awful world leader and CiC. And he sucks at chess and and he can't even string a sentence together some days. And so we have an incompetent leader who has made this country and the world a less safe place and we need to learn from that and not allow it to happen again.

Yes, History will be the judge but I am also the judge. I am the voter. I see what has become of the decisions of my leaders and I don't need to wait for "history" to tell me how badly they fucked it all up.

I can see that for my own eyes and the eyes of my children who will inherit this mess ... and this in spite of any propaganda.

""I guess we're not saying that it absolutely came from the boats, but we're not saying it absolutely didn't." -

Gee, American credibility just keeps getting better and better. Unbelievable and rather sad.
Not to mention frightening.

"""Poor ol' Paco...he thinks all the trouble with Iran and others in the Middle East began in 2000. In his mind we were all great buds until Bush was elected."""


WTF?! Au contraire. The u.s. has been committing terrorist acts in the ME for decades. 911 was but one of the numerous exchanges in a game that was started by the u.s.

By pure bad luck, you guys had a complete idiot in charge when the chickens came home to roost: he attacked a secular country that had nothing to do with the events of 911, committing his own act of terrorism against a basically innocent bystander.

I think the u.s. was and still is behind the majority of the violence in iraq.

Pancho, been drinking that Osama Bin-Laden Koolaid again?

The u.s. has been committing terrorist acts in the ME for decades. 911 was but one of the numerous exchanges in a game that was started by the u.s.

Pancho, in the book of al-qaeda talking points, I think that is #132 right?

You on the other hand reserve skepticism for only the apposing party!

Wow! I've been posting here for 2 days now and already you know me inside and out. That's pretty amazing.

I am very skeptical about both parties, but I don't dismiss every single thing they say. In fact, most of it is lies mixed in with truths.

You believe what you want. The main point is that none of us know what is real or fabricated, but if you strictly disbelieve everything that comes out of Washington or the military, well, you're just a huge skeptic and you miss out on the things that ARE true. Not everything is a lie.

Must be nice going thru life not believing a word you hear.

PS - Be sure an watch my 4:56 p.m. video on full screen

an = and

Those boats were acting aggressively towards our Navy ships but the recording of the voice leaves some doubt.

There's no doubt, they should never have been allowed to get that close. If they had had a torpedo to throw in the water, or had been "suicide" boats rigged with explosives they would have been very difficult to stop at that distance.

Why record it separately? I think we know why. The voice on the recording was louder and you could tell it was not from the video.

Not sure what you are talking about here CC
The video was taken by a sailor on the bridge. All the noises seem like normal bridge noises -- the foghorn blasts are the norm when another craft comes too close, (or there's a man overboard). I couldn't make out any iranians talking in broken english -- but that wouldn't have come into the bridge directly anyway -- those communications would have come into into the command center (C5I) over the one of the call frequencies the ship uses.

BOWA...CC want to create a talking point...by saying Bush wants to start a war with iran so he can turn america into a facist country and control the world through his PNAC power


its funny really

damn globalization.. PNAC and any corperation that exsist in america


ps. that includes walmart

The Navy just admitted to ABC News that they were not sure where the Message came from at the time of the so called incident in the Gulf. The way the video was edited it made the impression that the message of doom was coming from the speedboats, what a bunch of SHIT.....

Once again I think we are being sold a bill of goods. Expect in the next few days to learn the truth on what happened there on the Gulf. What is it with this group that we never seem to get the facts immediately but have to wait for an edit version??????