"Would anyone like to make a case for the benefits of incompetence and lack of experience???"

Well, it certainly did work out well for our current Prezdent. For America? Not so much.

But I think what Lee meant is that Clinton, at least so far, has not been able communicate how her past is going to translate to a vision for the future. Its too much like, if you elect Hillary we'll all go back to the 1990's and everything will be swell.

America in the last decade of the 20th century is a time and place that doesn't exist anymore and will never exist again. That is one reason why Obama's message of hope and unity in the future is resonating so much better across the board than Clinton's "I'm experienced" message.

Ron Paul is great on paper. Like the New York Yankees. When he shows up, there ain't much there.

I disagree with the author of the link's consideration of Florida, however. As I understand it, a Fed judge has recently ruled that at least 115 of the delegates will count, and that the election will be held on the new Jan 29th date as planned.

Clinton still holds a lead here, and there is no campaigning allowed.

A win on Jan 29th could prep the way for Feb 5th.

Interesting that in the adjustment of the clock, my response to Danni now appears before her original post.

I like Obama better, but Hillary is more electable...


Yawn.


Sorry dude, but you're a part of the problem...not the solution.

Is Nixon running?

Hillary cries like Edmund Muskie. Oh, and Hillary worked for McGovern.

Those are the only correlations I see.

Is Nixon running?

Hillary cries like Edmund Muskie. Oh, and Hillary worked for McGovern.

Those are the only correlations to '72 I see.

As I understand it, Rogers, a Fed judge here in Florida has ruled that at least 115 of FL delegates will be awarded and the voting will be done on the new date of Jan 29th as scheduled.

Since she still has a lead here and there is no campaigning allowed, a Jan 29th win could help set up Feb 5th nicely.

"You can't go back to the future."

No, but you can finish what you started, as in ....national health care. Seems that the other Democrats want to pick up the "baton" dropped by the Democratic Party when Bill Clinton left office but think they can avoid the "war" that the Clintons have been fighting for decades with the right wing attack machine. Hey, I'll will enthusiastically support Obama or Edwards if they win the nomination but they are in for a rude awakening when that "attack machine" focuses on them the way that it has on the Clintons for so long. I sure hope Obama is tougher than he looks.
I will bet you too, that if Obama gets the nomination both Bill and Hillary Clinton will support him 100%. I hope all of the Clinton bashers will at least fairly recognize the contribution they have made and the strength it took for them to fight the fight all these years.

OBAMA and HUCKABEE, two very different persons. But both charming and completely outside the K Street gangsters that have been writing American Laws for the benefit of their financers.

2 things from your RCP link, Corky...

1. Having been stripped of their delegates, Florida and Michigan are non-factors.

I disagree. Perhaps a non-factor in the delegate count, but certainly a major factor in momentum and perception for the winning candidate going forward.

2. This leaves the 798 super delegates, who can support whomever they choose. Let us suppose, in this scenario, they divvy up the way the Hill reports declared members of Congress have so far split their support between the three major candidates: 62% for Clinton, 25% for Obama, and 13% for Edwards.

There are already reports today that a number of the "super delegates" are reevaluating their initial support of Clinton. If Obama's momentum continues, I don't think she can count on the current split remaining the same. Super delegates will not carry the day for her.

That could be true Corky, but she needs money and Senate endoresements. That could be tricky.

WOW - the time stamping has these posts all out of order. Or we've all been drinking too much.

That could be true Corky, but she needs money and Senate endoresements. That could be tricky.

I am a candidate with several years experience in state government, little national experience, and no foreign policy experience to speak of. I am running as a uniter not a divider and I rely on compassion and intuition over experience. I am considered the most likable candidate, you know, someone you would like to have beer with.

Who am I?

The last insurgent Dem who won the nomination was....

Clinton in '92.

I am a candidate with several years experience in state government, little national experience, and no foreign policy experience to speak of. I am running as a uniter not a divider and I rely on compassion and intuition over experience. I am considered the most likable candidate, you know, someone you would like to have beer with.

Who am I?


Posted by Corky at 2008-01-08 11:43 AM |

Abraham Lincoln

The comments do not appear inevitable in making to this thread, lol!

I am a candidate with several years experience in state government, little national experience, and no foreign policy experience to speak of. I am running as a uniter not a divider and I rely on compassion and intuition over experience. I am considered the most likable candidate, you know, someone you would like to have beer with.

Harry Truman

Hey, this is grrrrrrrrrreat! You can make a comment here and it gets posted before your earlier posts! (WTF? Does Rogers need to get a new hampster, new wheel, or both?)

"I am a candidate with several years experience in state government, little national experience, and no foreign policy experience to speak of. I am running as a uniter not a divider and I rely on compassion and intuition over experience. I am considered the most likable candidate, you know, someone you would like to have beer with.

Who am I?"

Ronald Reagan

George W. Bush

That alleged "viable path" is slowly crumbling with every national poll that is taken.

Here is the way I see it: you have those on the left who like Clinton because they are really angry (deservedly so in some instances) about the way Bubba was treated, the 2000 election, the way repubs treated them over the last 8 years, etc., and these people want Hillary to shove all of that anger right back into the faces of all of those republicans - essentially old school entrenched politicos.

Then you have those who want a progression towards comradery and away from partisan bickering and feel that Obama is the best way to move forward.

There is a true distinction between the two and essentially voters in the early states have chosen to move the political world into the future, a future without partisan politics (to some extent as we all know there will be partisan politics on issues like abortion, gay marriage, and other wedge issues).

I'm not sure which was worse, the Bush admin or the Civil War, lol.

ROGERS:

Somehow, you've conquered the tired, old, boring space-time continuum.

Time travel on the DR!

Tres cool!

Ronald Reagan

George W. Bush

Which was your favorite?

That could be true Corky, but she needs money and Senate endoresements. That could be tricky.

Doc,

I finally got the last word on a thread..... don't screw it up fopr me!

"Which was your favorite?"

Is this some kind of joke?
OK, Reagan could at least pronounce "nuclear."
Didn't have a freaking clue what it meant, but he could pronounce it. Bush can't even get that far.

Yea Z, it was a joke.

Kinda like posting on this Twilight Zone thread.

Well, it worked.

I chuckled.

Damn I miss Ike.

CORKY -
Your 11:51 (more or less)= FF!

"Ronald Reagan

George W. Bush

Which was your favorite?"

Both are/were evil but one could at least create a reasonably credible performance of looking the part (so long as his cue cards and tape marks on the floor were in position).

So I'd have to say Reagan, though I consider him one of the worst presidents in US history. W is incredibly worse.

I've not met one single person who likes Hillary as a person. Watching her speak is exactly like having sand in your crack. All she has was her name brand which supposedly meant "electability". Now it's fading fast. What's left? A frigid, bitter woman who can't see the forest for the trees anymore after 35 years of partisan warfare and fund-raising experience.

People generally elect candidates they like on a personal level. Despite W's vastly inferior resume, he was elected twice because his opponents were wet rags and he was the guy you could watch football with on Sunday. Obama is like-able as well. If Hillary gets the nod, especially against Rudy or Romney, I expect to see a run to the middle take place in the form of something akin to a successful Bloomberg run.

Clinton always talks of her past. Her competence and experience. She tries to make them relevant to a future she envisions, but it's the past.

"Clinton always talks of her past. Her competence and experience. She tries to make them relevant to a future she envisions, but it's the past."

Competence and experience are always important. Would anyone like to make a case for the benefits of incompetence and lack of experience???

I believe we are seeing the end of the Clinton candidacy TODAY, not on February 5, and here's the reason why: Voter Turnout! The early indications have been turnout is exceedingly heavy with anecdotal evidence pointing to these new voters going for Obama. The Democratic voters in Iowa DOUBLED the numbers of Republicans in a swing state! What if similar dynamics repeat themselves in New Hampshire?

We've read for months that many state Democratic operatives have been worried about what a Hillary-led ticket might mean to all the other Dems having to run downticket. Obama is bringing multitudes into his coalition, which is the DEMOCRATIC PARTY, and all Hillary and Bill have been doing is trying to throw water on this inferno by questioning everything about him other than his choice in underwear. The handwriting is on the wall that Obama will likely win by doudle digits tonight, and the continuing wave effect of drawing in more and more non-traditional voters to the Democrats cannot be ignored nor squandered.

I feel the Party will decide TONIGHT that it can no longer afford the Clinton's personal ambitions to be more important than the emerging tsunami of Democratic voters brought to the party by Obama. The money doesn't matter, nor does the debate. If the Party allows the Clinton's continual sniping of Obama they will do so at great risk to every Democrat chomping at the bit for an inspirational ride on the Obama coattails. Someone needs to remind the Clinton's the reason Obama is able to turn "flowery words" into substantive change is because he marshalls the full force of the majority behind him first.

This is just something that Hillary isn't going to be able to do if she campaigns until 2108. The calculus of 51%/49% has been blown up by what is turning out to be the real UNITY '08 candidate. Its not her fault, but it certainly isn't her gift, while it most definitely is Obama's and the Democratic establishment would be suicidal to let the Clinton's continue to undermine the momentum which will rid us of many of the impediments blocking the Democrats for years and years in Congress.

Yes, its a generational/transitional wave breaking and its too bad that Hillary had to be the one in its path, but it would behoove her to get out of its way sooner rather than later. To quote Edward's man, Joe Trippi, "We're just trying to get out of the way of a bullet called Obama. We'll try to hang around and keep circling the drain and see if we can be the last one left." Not exactly an endorsement for a bright future if one's name isn't Barack, but Trippi's been around long enough to know a fait accompli when he sees it.

Ron Paul is the only option. All of the others are for dragging the war on for eternity, National RFID chip ID, Higher taxes, and bigger federal government.
Ron Paul wants to bring our troops home, reduce federal government, and, use the billions in war money for the economy.
Ron Paul 2008!

"Would anyone like to make a case for the benefits of incompetence and lack of experience???"

Very Good Year for President Bush
---Posted by Bowa

That's not the point Danni. Cheney and Rumsfeld are competent and experienced to their own ends. It's about a new beginning. You can't go back to the future.

It's Obamania!

be swell

Perhaps I am being too cynical, but I think Obamamania will become old fast.

He is probably a good man, and he sounds polished. I think, however, that he has actually started to believe his own hype.

America's attention span is very short, though, and it is a long way to next November. Once someone rises quickly to the top, our interest begins to wane shortly thereafter. The novelty wears off. The shine fades and; the flaws become our fixation. We start looking for the next best thing.

Ask Hilary or ask any celebrity that rocketed to stardom--those are the ones usually in rehab.

Cheers

Corky, plan B doesn't address where the money will come from.

The premise makes sense. But the always daring DEMs will lean heavily toward Obama. It might lead eventually to a "brokered convention".

Unfortunately, Hillary isn't a crowd pleaser. If being smart and informed were so important, Stevenson would have beaten Ike and Al Gore would have beaten Dubya.

-If being smart and informed were so important

Wow. Just wow.

If her last name wasn't Clinton, nobody would vote for her.

If her last name wasn't Clinton, nobody would have such visceral hatred for her.

OBAMA and HUCKABEE, two very different persons. But both charming and completely outside the K Street gangsters that have been writing American Laws for the benefit of their financers.

Posted by nutcase


Yes, and one of them believes in science, knows that the earth is more than 6,000 years old, and knows further that the Flintstones never really had a pet dinosaur.

She does breed "visceral hatred" ... but it goes well beyond her last name. Next time she speaks regarding Obama, ask yourself: "what would I be thinking if I were obama right now?" The answer is invariably: "What a snide little bitch!" I'm telling you, she's the human equivalent of sand in the crack.

And why more people are switching from Clinton to Obama...

"..Obama emphasizes the connections between people, the networks and the webs of influence. These sorts of links are invisible to some of his rivals, but Obama is a communitarian. He believes you can only make profound political changes if you first change the spirit of the community. In his speeches, he says that if one person stands up, then another will stand up and another and another and you'll get a nation standing up.

The key word in any Obama speech is 'you.' Other politicians talk about what they will do if elected. Obama talks about what you can do if you join together. Like a community organizer on a national scale, he is trying to move people beyond their cynicism, make them believe in themselves, mobilize their common energies..." NY Times

I will also switch my vote from clinton to osama ben bar-ache . It will nullify your change , raspberries to you .

""She does breed "visceral hatred" ... ""

She breeds what the media tells you she breeds. They have engineered the Clinton hatred for decades and even many Democrats have heard it so long that they believe it too. Try, if you can, and seperate out the "hate hype" and the real reasons why any Democrat would hate Hillary Clinton....(don't worry you can still be for Obama)....and then get back to me here. Personally, I can think of a few votes I disagreed with, but not much else. Certainly nothing to justify the Hillary hatred that I have been seeing lately. I know that if I were an upcoming Democrat I would think twice before I set myself up for the kind of animosity from those I considered allies that is apparent lately from Democrats.
If it is Hillary hatred today it will be Obama hatred tomorrow; as soon as the same media that brought you the manufactured reasons to hate Hillary gets busy on Barrack.

The Clinton's are furious with Richardson already because of his deal with Obama in Iowa to have his 2nd choice go to him instead of Hillary.

I was surprised as he has seemed to kind of kiss up to her in the past - given his history with Bill's administration and all.

But Tony, did he deny telling his supporters to switch to Obama?????

What experience does Hilary have?

First Lady/Glorified housewife.

I think thats streching her experience argument just a wee bit.

Danni-

No one is buying the "Hillary is a victim of the media" crap. Sorry. She rubs people the wrong way. Has for years. Still does. Period. No need to dig deeper.

"No one is buying the "Hillary is a victim of the media" crap."

Then they haven't been paying attention for the past fifteen years. YOu can have any opinion you want, it's fine to support Obama, but to deny that the media has been after the Clintons for years is assinine. Don't worry, as soon as Barack gets the nomination he'll find out what it's all about. I sincerely hope he is ready because it is going to be even worse than what they threw at the Clintons because there is so much at stake.

Corky -- I don't mean that Ike was NOT smart nor informed -- but in the smart and informed category, he was out-classed by Stevenson. Ike was, however, bright enought to keep Stevenson close to him when it came to debating issues of grave national interests, including, I understand, the Sputnik "threat" during the Cold War. It takes a different kind of smarts to bring your competitors into serious policy discussions.

Regarding the brainpower of Dubya v. Al Gore, well ... Neither would win the Nobel Prize -- oh, wiat, one of them did. So never mind.

Chris Matthews appeared on MSNBC's Morning Joe on the morning of the New Hampshire primary to describe how he expects the Democratic Party establishment to destroy Barack Obama's candidacy and ensure the nomination for Hillary Clinton.

"There's a battle in the Democratic Party between the idealists and the interest groups," Matthews began. "And in the beginning of every Democratic campaign for president, there's an idealist who comes forward ... and they do very well in the first offing. ... And then the interest groups get all called in, the meal tickets, all the people that get something out of the party are bussed in, trucked in from out of town ... and they blow away the idealist."

"It has been done so many times," he continued. "Kill the fire of insurgency. And when that's killed, then you go back to the same old interest group politics."

"Once in a while, someone comes along and shakes things up," Matthews acknowledged. "It's a phenomenal thing. And it's going on now. It'll go on through tonight. But at some time, it's going to be really challenged by the forces of the establishment, by the status quo, by the interest groups and the big-money contributors, and they're going to try to put this fire out."

"They will find some way to counter this power. You watch it. It's scorched earth, but the establishment in American politics almost always wins. ... All the people around the Clintons ... are getting together to try to figure out how to stop this. These are pros, who win year after year.

"They are under threat right now, because if Obama wins, they lose," Matthews went on, turning aside Scarborough's suggestions that this year the dynamics might be different. "If you think it's going to happen, then you are definitely a dreamer. Maybe I am too. But I've seen this dream die so many times."

"They'll play on every heartstring. They'll make Hillary a more sympathetic figure," Matthews predicted, saying that between now and Super Tuesday on February 5, the newspapers will fall over themselves to give us "the new Hillary, the softer Hillary, the humble Hillary."

"The fawning journalism is yet to come," concluded Matthews. "It's absolutely predictable. ... Oh, it's coming!"

Tony - what do you think of Chris Matthew's thoughts I posted above? I think he's right overall. My hope is that this will be the time the movement is too strong and the people will stand up and say no more.

I will also switch my vote from clinton to osama ben bar-ache . It will nullify your change , raspberries to you .

Posted by rightnut

Hate to break this to you Rightnuts, but taking your poop and marking an "x' on a piece of toilet paper when the nursing home staff aren't watching, then eating it, doesn't really count as a vote for anybody.

FF for NG

"If her last name wasn't Clinton, nobody would have such visceral hatred for her.


Posted by Corky "

But, why do the Democrats hate her? They loved Bill. Why don't they love her? The voters are Democrats we're talking about.

Russert says Culinary Workers Union to endorse Obama tomorrow.

If, by insurgent, you mean a candidate who came out of nowhere or was not the frontrunner at the beginning of the campaign, we have had at least two since George McGovern. They both experienced a modicum of electoral success. One was a peanut farmer from Georgia. The other was a governor from Hope, Arkansas!

They did okay, partly due to the fact that they represented CHANGE; a new direction. Hillary represents neither of those. Hillary represents the stagnation and divisiveness of the current political scene in this country. Her election would call into action all the neo-conservative guerilla tactics that were used to bring down her husband's presidency.

Tony - what do you think of Chris Matthew's thoughts I posted above? I think he's right overall. My hope is that this will be the time the movement is too strong and the people will stand up and say no more.

I think I've answered this in my post at 12.20 and again to Danni above. This time the Establishment got caught with its pants down and they don't have the time to react in any meaningful way, but their biggest impediment is the fact Obama is bringing so many new voters into the Democratic coalition his tsunami is building. There is no earthly way that the Party can allow the Clintons to try and neutralize all the energy Obama has now directed toward the Democrats. If the negative crap continues, then any thoughts of black loyalty will be destroyed forever if they allow the Clintons to disparage and bash the most inspirational candidate in the last two generations.

While many of us know Obama's wide and impressive experience and record, his chief asset is HOPE, and America has been thirsting for this elixir for quite some time, and I just don't believe even the Establishment possesses a kryptonite which can overcome its pull on our psyches while it lifts our spirits as well.

"Culinary Workers Union"

One fork, one vote.

"Culinary Workers Union"

One fork, one vote.

Why are people having such a hard time with the experience issue. When you apply for a job you need a resume which listed all your past work experience. Compare Hillary to Obama just on paper and she comes out on top. Of course she has the last name Clinton which both helps and hurts her(hurting her more then helping her). She would get a much fairer shake is she never married Bill and yes I think she would still be running for president. After 8 years of Bush I don't want the nice guy that I can have a beer with. I want the person who is best qualified to run this country and get us moving in the right direction. Hillary came out on top in the debates and that doesn't seem to help her.

Dem turnout stretches ballot supply in NH:

New Hampshire voters were shattering turnout records Tuesday especially in the Democratic presidential primary, sending elections officials scrambling to find enough ballots to meet the demand.

"We're going to have historic turnout, there's no doubt about that," Pia Carusone, communications director for the New Hampshire Democratic Party, told RAW STORY.

"I understand why he's frustrated. But at some point since we've corrected him repeatedly on this and he keeps on repeating it, you know it tells me that he's just more interested in trying to muddy the waters than actually talk fairly about my record."

You know, Bill is in a very unique and precarious position. He is popular in the party, and in the country in general and his opinion is still respected to a large degree. And a husband should stand 100% behind his wife and be supportive.

But he runs a real risk of losing his standing in the party if he goes too far with the partisanship and comes off a just another political hit man rather than a former President of the United States.

And from the preceding, I would have to say that Obama is not the least bit intimidated by him.

Dem turnout stretches ballot supply in NH:
All those MA voters brought into the state by the Clinton camp are creating havoc...

Danni-

Its not about "not paying attention" for 15 years. The media make and break. If she got negative attention, it was because she invited it. She also got a near free pass in this election being hailed immediately as the favorite. Thank god reality stepped in.

BTW, you assume too much in saying I support Obama. I am not a democrat.

Typical Clinton supporter...they think they know everything even when they're dead wrong.

In a news conference Deanna Favre announced she will be the
starting QB for the Packers this coming Sunday.


Deanna asserts that she is qualified to be starting QB because she has spent the past 16 years married to Brett while he played QB for the Packers. During this period of time she became familiar with the definition of a corner blitz, and is now completely comfortable with other terminology of the Packers offense. A survey of Packers fans shows that 50% of those polled supported the move.

Does this sounds idiotic and unbelievable to you?

Well, Hillary Clinton makes the same claims as to why she is qualified to be President and 50% of democrats polled agreed. She has never run a City, County, or State.

When told Hillary Clinton has experience because she has 8 years in the white house, Dick Morris stated
"so has the pastry chef".

Corky, they are running out of ballots in N.H. Why do you think that is?

Because TR is voting so many times?

LOL. I think you know what it means.

DANNI cant handle the truth that she has zip, nata, zero experience, to say you dont trust it cause someone said it, hay.. its the "truth" dont get pissed cause someone you dont like said it. its just as bad as any twisted hate that comes from moveon.org crap .. ....

truth is.. she has no business leading anything except her fat butt into the kitchen or laundry room. lol

DANNI can you Iron shirts? ;)

"... the Republicans will eat him for breakfast."

- Michael Moore

Well first of all Sherm, you got the quote wrong. He said "likable", not "nice". Second of all he said in an interview with Diane Sawyer a day or so later that it didn't come out the way he intended and what he was trying to say was "Hillary, you are plenty likeable."

And considering the way he took on Bill Clinton's little tirade (see earlier post), I don't think he's going to be intimidated by anyone, let alone become breakfast.

San An

Speaking of which, did you see the vid of Hil playing Bill O'Reilly like a $3 banjo, then turning Chris Matthews into a pussycat?

Funniest things in all the primary.

"Speaking of which, did you see the vid of Hil playing Bill O'Reilly like a $3 banjo,"

I heard something about it last night, but haven't seen it. Would like to have, though.

I liked the one where the Ron Paul supporters were chasing after Hannity and yelling "You suck Hannity" at him.

I saw O'Reilly's antics with Obama's guy last night when I got home. Talk about an ass. He needs to go back to Entertainment Tonight or whatever his previous show was.

To say nothing of arrogant and stupid, Wisgod. I mean, would you start acting up with the Secret Service around? He's lucky he didn't get hustled out of the hall and stuffed in a dumpster.

To say nothing of arrogant and stupid, Wisgod. I mean, would you start acting up with the Secret Service around? He's lucky he didn't get hustled out of the hall and stuffed in a dumpster.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis

And Obama had enough class to ackowledge the goof. Who goes out to tape a show segment and makes sure he calls someone a sonofvabitch so he can share it with the audience? FoxNews wonders why they get bashed?

"makes sure he calls someone a sonofvabitch so he can share it with the audience?"

Of course, that part was bleeped out when he ran the story on his show. How funny is that, when you have to bleep yourself?!

Corky - funny. Its nice to see Matthews get his comeupance once in a while!

"makes sure he calls someone a sonofvabitch so he can share it with the audience?"

Of course, that part was bleeped out when he ran the story on his show. How funny is that, when you have to bleep yourself?!

Corky - funny. Its nice to see Matthews get his comeupance once in a while!

Oops, sorry for the double.

A lot of people, at least in the Democratic primaries, were not really satisfied with the 90s. Family Medical Leave... great. Stratospheric COBRA insurance if you're really really lucky, NAFTA, media consolidation, and Don't Ask Don't Tell. Mealy-mouthed triangulation crap. How is four more Clinton years going to be any different than the previous eight Clinton years? Maybe Senator Clinton wouldn't face Newt Gingrich? Hardly... there'd be a Republican House in 2010 if she wins... possibly a Republican house in 2008 if she's nominated.

At least Obama stands a chance to move beyond that Boomer plastic-coated 'good enough'. Clinton? I know what she stands for. It wasn't all that.

Danni-

"""When told Hillary Clinton has experience because she has 8 years in the white house, Dick Morris stated
"so has the pastry chef".""

Well, I guess you have to consider who Morris has evolved into:"

Nice deflection. Way to attack the messenger and not the message. And I'll bet it gets your panties ruffled when blowhards like Bill O'Reilly perform that very trick. But the Clinton camp is and has never been afraid to get in the mud. They play to those bitter old guard democrats who want to mirror the republicans of the last 8 years. Sorry. Two wrongs don't make a right. People want to move past the Clinton/Bush era. Rightfully so.

The Clinton camp is scared, even if she is the dems selection she will never be elected. The people are not ready for a woman. Especially not Billary. Hilary getting in the mud? WHEN????????

Well, Carvill and the other attack dogs have joined the race. Ms Hillary was averse to alienating votes that she thought she might receive if she won the nomination. But now it is a contest, and she needs to prevail to win the nomination, she has to pull out all stops and risk alienating black voters, who are going over to Mr. Obama, and the radical left and activist fringe of the Democrat Party.

It's cut and burn time for Ms Hillary. Wait until the sparks fly. She will be inaugurating and providing a preview of the Republican hatchet job, which is well-deserved, on Mr. Obama.

Let's see. What will the Carvill thrust be? Does anyone have any ideas?

Of course, the damaging innuendo won't be issuing from the Hillary camp.

Will they address his time as a druggie? Will they evaluate braind damage and flashbacks?

Will they "uncover" evidence that he was a drug dealer, an outright criminal?

Will they address his antecdents, the Islamic Manchurian Candidate for conspiracy therists?

Will they address his church affiliation over the years, its Afrocentrism and black racism?

Will they address his activities as "an advocate" for the "poor," blacks that is, and advocacy of transfer programs?

Will they address his personal corruption, his land deals and the like?

What else?

He ain't goin' Heaven on a choo choo train, cause the path to Heaven (the White House), has many obstacles on the track. Personal charisma won't do it, once a sober look at Obama, the man, is taken and he is under scrutiny. He's deep in doo doo. Will the ordure create a negative response from the voters?

But the Hillary group plays for keeps. Mr. Obama will not escape unscathed. The Clintons have always been self-aggrandizing and not "team players." She'd scuttle the Democrat prospects for 2008 rather than abandon her candidacy to this rank upstart who had the temerity to challenge her and deny her her due.

There are some homosexuals posting here. Do you folks think that the homosexual vote will stay with Ms Hillary with her asserted lesbian connections, or will it go to Mr. Obama?

"When told Hillary Clinton has experience because she has 8 years in the white house, Dick Morris stated "so has the pastry chef". "

How dumb is Morris? Admitting he doesn't realize the First Lady is privy to a different world than the WH pastry chef.

What kind of dumbfuck would equate meeting with thousands of world and local leaders with making thousands of eclairs?

Um, okay Danforth. How about one of the ushers then?

His point was that her foreign policy experience is limited to photo ops and cocktail parties overseas. You know, heavy on the foreign, light on the policy.

I wonder if you would feel the same were Laura Bush to trumpet her vast foreign policy experience? Or Nancy Reagan?

See how silly it sounds now?

"... the Republicans will eat him for breakfast."
- Michael Moore
Posted by Corky

Why does Moore always have to talk about food? It's like he's a fat guy obsessed with...hey!


"What kind of dumbfuck would equate meeting with thousands of world and local leaders with making thousands of eclairs?"
Posted by Danforth

The same dumbfuck whom the Clintons trusted and employed and ultimately alienated and threw away, like many others, in their mad scramble to the top.

"and ultimately alienated and threw away"

Presciently, as history has taught.

Obviously, rejection by the Clintons comes with a 30pt drop in IQ.

"Um, okay Danforth. How about one of the ushers then?"

If your belief is the pastry chef at the White House experiences the same world life as a First Lady, you're an idiot.

"His point was that her foreign policy experience is limited to photo ops and cocktail parties overseas."

Which, as anyone familiar with the Clinton marriage would know, is bullshit. Hillary was a very close advisor to Bill, something I doubt regarding Laura Bush. Hillary was also on the front lines during the health care debate, which turned into a debacle, of course, but at least she stuck her neck on the chopping block. More than can be said for Laura or Nancy.

Obviously, rejection by the Clintons comes with a 30pt drop in IQ.
Posted by Danforth


I agree we can honestly call Dick Morris a lot of names, but "Low-IQ" is not one of them, if you want to be honest. Also, if you're taking Morris' "pastry chef" analogy literally, then I think you are just being stubborn because the only other explanation would be that you might need an IQ test yourself.

It's pretty clear that Mrs. Clinton was privy to much more than a WH pastry chef, but what Morris is trying to communicate is that being near the President is not the same as being the President, or a Cabinet member (appointed by the President) or an elected official (Vice President, Speaker of The House, Senate Majority Leader) or a member of the Joint Chiefs.

Oh, Dick Morris is as much a whore as those "ladies" he entertained at the no-tell Motel.
I don't believe 1 word he spouts.

Oh, Dick Morris is as much a whore as those "ladies" he entertained at the no-tell Motel.
I don't believe 1 word he spouts.
Posted by Jomama


Again - there are many names we could accurately use to describe Mr. Morris, but "low-IQ" is not one of them.

In a news conference Deanna Favre announced she will be the starting QB for the Packers this coming Sunday. Deanna asserts that she is qualified to be starting QB because she has spent the past 16 years married to Brett while he played QB for the Packers. During this period of time she became familiar with the definition of a corner blitz, and is now completely comfortable with other terminology of the Packers offense. A survey of Packers fans shows that 50% of those polled supported the move.

Does this sounds idiotic and unbelievable to you? Well, Hillary Clinton makes the same claims as to why she is qualified to be President and 50% of democrats polled agreed.

Just - no argument from Mr Fair.

Two things: Clinton may be electable, and I would vote for her as the nominee (duh), but Obama maybe electable as well.

His appeal is undeniable, and I'll vote for him in the primary unless he does something really stupid between now and Feb. 5, and that seems unlikely. The guy is bright and talented, but doesn't go off at the mouth.

But, an article in slate linked to the title article pointed out that there may be a poll effect, in which voters say they'll vote for an attractive black candidate, but then do not in the voting booth--wanting to please the pollster, not wanting to appear as racist as they are.

So, whether Obama is electable is still an open question, and not a stupid one, when you realize that if he were the nominee and he was not electable we'd get FOUR MORE YEARS OF A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT.