Is Hormuz the Iranian translation for Tonkin?

Not that I trust the cryptic messages whispered to me when I wear my Official Pat Robertson Prognosticational Chapeau, but it, in conjunction with my Magic 8-Ball, says that eventually there will be an "incident." Certain segments of the ruling clergy that maintains control of the Revolutionary Guards (who are now running their navy) are under the impression that we won't light them up if they do something really stupid. This will not end well for anybody.

It would seem that way>>>(Lyndon Johnson-call yer Orifice)....

I read somewhere that the Iranians cruised by and the crew all mooned the American vessel.

The American crew responded in kind by waving pictures of President Bush at the Iranians.

Many, many turned their heads in disgust........

Iranians harrasing American? Bush should do what every freedom-loving Republican president would do-sell them some missiles.

But seriously, Bush has divvied up Iraq with them, released the NIE and stopped bitching about their control of the Iraq government. They should stop picking on him. It's just cruel. He's on his way to the ME to pretend to be a leader the world pays attention to-they shouldn't go all "who's your daddy" on him.

This just in.....

PERSIAN GULF GRIDLOCK

The US Navy is now reporting gridlock conditions in the Persian Gulf due to the number of American ships sent there. Reports indicate that the Gulf looks like an LA freeway traffic jam at 5:00 in the afternoon. Ships are now trying to back out of the Gulf to make room for the remaining vessels to turn around and continue watching the immense Iranian Navy fleet.
More details at 11:00.

NOTHING NEW.

We were playing these games with them back in 95. I was in the Gulf aboard a destroyer and everyday at noon, the Iranians would buzz our ship in a US built P-3 armed with US made Harpoon anti-ship missiles. We'd lock on and let me know we had them and they'd do the same. No shots were ever fired.

We also used to turn off anything that radiated (radar, comms, etc) and go about 2 miles into their territorial waters at ngith, then we'd turn everything on and sprint back to international waters.

* night

$100,000,000 a day to keep King suckmydick fat and happy and paying al queda.

Or, as the Rightys put it, a wonderful investment.

Don't get your manties in a knot, this is just kids play compared to what we would do with the Russians on a daily basis during the Cold War.

"We also used to turn off anything that radiated (radar, comms, etc) and go about 2 miles into their territorial waters at ngith, then we'd turn everything on and sprint back to international waters."

For some reason, that makes me think of guys banging on pots and pans, blasting the A-OOHGAH horns, and lighting firecrackers.

Iranian Captain: I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

American Captain: Is there someone else up there we can talk to?

Iranian Captain: No, now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.

won't be long 'till they fly another plane full of civilians over a warship.

American Captain: If you will not stand down, we shall destroy your attack boats by force!

Iranian Captain: You don't frighten us, American pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottoms, son of a silly person! Ah blow my nose at you, so-called "Prezident Boosh"! You and all your silly Amerikan Saaaaay-lors!!!

(the Iranian Captain proceeds to bang on his helmet with his hands and stick out his tongue at the Americans, making strange noises.)

American Executive Officer: What a strange person.

Shouldn't be long before Carter puts this on Bush and Cheney. You know since they took office our relationship with Iran went to the shits according to Old Jimmy and most here I might add. Of course the Iranians know what will happen if they attempt another act of war as they did a few decades ago. Any bets the US will be blamed at home and abroad????

"Shouldn't be long before Carter puts this on Bush and Cheney."

After the recent revelations about the NIE it is a bit premature to be assuming that any confrontation in the Gulf of Hormuz is necessarily caused by the Iranians. The entire world knows Bush/Cheney is itching to bomb Iran and looking for any excuse, even a manufactured one. I bet most Americans read about this confrontation and did immediately wonder if we didn't instigate it in some way.

"Any bets the US will be blamed at home and abroad????"

You mean like with Mossadegh?

The entire world knows Bush/Cheney is itching to bomb Iran and looking for any excuse, even a manufactured one...

That sure didn't take long. There has to be a way to start getting betting lines on posts and response time.

"Any bets the US will be blamed at home and abroad????"

Not if they can pull it off in a way to convince most people that the Iranians would actually attack the mightiest navy in the world.

And I suppose you still believe in leprachauns, Krispy Kritter?!

No unusual confrontation has taken place between the Guard's patrol vessels and U.S. ships," state-run television quoted the official as saying. The official was speaking on customary condition of anonymity. The Guard official said the Guard's vessels were conducting normal patrols in the Strait of Hormuz when they saw three U.S. ships enter the waters of the region.

"The Guard's navy vessels, as usual, asked the ships to identify themselves and they did so and continued their path," the TV quoted the official as saying.

Yep, Krispee still believes in leprachauns, fairies, and that Bush is bringing freedom to the whole wide world one dead Iraqi at a time.

You mean like with Mossadegh?

Posted by Jomama at 2008-01-07 03:02 PM |


Damn!! I knew I should have included something 20 years before Carters folly.

Like Vietnam?

And I suppose you still believe in leprachauns, Krispy Kritter?!

Posted by sagmain at 2008-01-07 03:02 PM

Yep, Krispee still believes in leprachauns, fairies, and that Bush is bringing freedom to the whole wide world one dead Iraqi at a time.

Posted by sagmain at 2008-01-07 03:05 PM

Pretty sad you have to ask and answer your own warped questions. Not surprised though. Just redeems my original post.

And I suppose you still believe in leprachauns, Krispy Kritter?!

Posted by sagmain
No-but krispy kreme-in-his-jeans will believe ANYTHING bushitter tells him.....

Like Vietnam?

Posted by Jomama at 2008-01-07 03:08 PM |


Another redemption. Can you apply Vietnam to being Bush's fault? Or are you just going to post every event deemed the fault of the US the last 100 years?

And I suppose you still believe in leprachauns, Krispy Kritter?!

Posted by sagmain
No-but krispy kreme-in-his-jeans will believe ANYTHING bushitter tells him.....

Posted by frankf55 at 2008-01-07 03:09 PM |

Forgot to include the trolls as well I guess. Thanks Frank.

Is Hormuz the Iranian translation for Tonkin?

Posted by Lee_Atwater at 2008-01-07 01:35 PM | Reply

His post deserves to be read again. Lee nailed it.

"That sure didn't take long. There has to be a way to start getting betting lines on posts and response time."

Oh, sorry, I forgot we American, in order to be patriotic citizens, must forget even the most recent events and always assume America is innocent, would never provoke any kind of confrontation. I'll try to remember to be stupid in the future.

I'll try to remember to be stupid in the future.

Posted by danni at 2008-01-07 03:17 PM |

In the future?? You are a natural. I should have know you would be the first one to post something blaming our Navy at 1:58.

Not much on the peripheral vision thing, are ya', Crissy?

"We also used to turn off anything that radiated (radar, comms, etc) and go about 2 miles into their territorial waters at ngith, then we'd turn everything on and sprint back to international waters."

For some reason, that makes me think of guys banging on pots and pans, blasting the A-OOHGAH horns, and lighting firecrackers.

Posted by Sancho at 2008-01-07 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

I agree. I think it was payback for the Exocet Missle (also US made) that the Iranians put into the side of the USS Stark, and then claimed "Ooooops".

I don't doubt for a minute that we were looking to blow one of them out of the sky if given provocation, but w/o a shot fired, there was none.

Oh, sorry, I forgot we American, in order to be patriotic citizens, must forget even the most recent events and always assume America is innocent, would never provoke any kind of confrontation

-danni

no. just don't do the exact opposite either.

Service: France, Pakistan, Abu Dhabi, Argentina, Singapore, Brazil, Oman, Egypt, Iraq, Kuwait, Libya, Qatar, Peru.

"no. just don't do the exact opposite either."

Oh, don't worry I won't but I will ask myself....what would they gain by challenging the US Navy???? What would they have gained by goading us into war????

Sort of makes you reconsider much of the bull shit we are fed regularly. Religious leaders or not....they aren't suicidal, they don't want to be bombed, they don't want their military destroyed....when you consider those fact then llisten to some of the CRAP we are told and it just isn't believable.

Another redemption. Can you apply Vietnam to being Bush's fault? Or are you just going to post every event deemed the fault of the US the last 100 years?

Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-01-07 03:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

HOLD ON NOW.

I have to defend Bush on this one.

NOTHING in Vietnam was Bush's fault, NOTHING.

How do I know this? Simple. BUSH WASN'T THERE! He was too busy getting coked up and failing flight physicals, instead of all that 'combat stuff'.

SEE, and you righties say I never defend Bush.

Not much on the peripheral vision thing, are ya', Crissy?
Posted by Jomama at 2008-01-07 03:28 PM


As opposed to a Cleo vision mommasboy?

Oh, don't worry I won't but I will ask myself....what would they gain by challenging the US Navy???? What would they have gained by goading us into war????

-danni

well coaxing us into a full fledged war, they have nothing to gain. but getting smacked around by our navy would gain the world for their leaders. they are losing their citizens to modernity. the iranian people are very pro american (even the rhinoplasty capital of the world!) and the ayotollahs (sp?) know that and need an event to shock the country back into strict religious adherence.

THAT is what they have to gain by getting attacked by us.... that is what they hope to attain and its the very reason i pray we don't fall for any of these bullshit tricks. HOWEVER, i can't speak for the sailors on that boat that are put in that position, and their lives come first in my book.

Not much on the peripheral vision thing, are ya', Crissy?

~Jomama

Are you suggesting that KrispeeKritter has tunnelvision and blinkers on?

Wow. Yer being waaaaaaay too nice.

Yer not wrong, KrispeeKremeDonut (aka a Big Fattening Zero) not only has tunnelvision and blinkers on but he also has his eyes wide shut.

Pathetic, really.

Be Well.

no offense danni, but you should know that. had we blown up their boats DROPPING boxes in the path of our ships.... how would the world react? we had every right to defend ourself. but the world community (esp europe and americans like you) will view the situation as the big bad goliath raining down on david. and the US will get all the blame. its a tricky circumstance, 1. because we shouldn't even be there 2. because these rev. guards aren't predictable.

however we have all the right in the world to be in that strait (even tho we shouldn't have to bother... in an ideal world) and we have every right to defend ourselves. the problem is the american military machine will always get the doubt. thanks to our fuckups in the past and to narrow minded individuals that don't look at the whole picture. no offense intended.

"and their lives come first in my book."

Oh, I agree with you there and I wonder if we aren't purposely putting too many ships into the Persian Gulf in the administration's hope to provoke the Iranians into an incident.
I agree that the Iranians would like to have an incident which would unify their people (especially the young) but I doubt they would risk too much with Bush/Cheney in office just itching to order bombing.

yea, bush/cheney may be playing that old bait trick and its shitty.

"no offense danni, but you should know that. had we blown up their boats DROPPING boxes in the path of our ships.... how would the world react

Proportional response. If our ships are jeopardized then they have everyright to take out the boats that are jeopardizing our ships. However, we don't have any need for the number of ships in the Persian Gulf that I understand we have there. It's like an accident waiting to happen.

Yer not wrong, KrispeeKremeDonut (aka a Big Fattening Zero) not only has tunnelvision and blinkers on but he also has his eyes wide shut.

Pathetic, really.

Be Well.
Posted by dethspud at 2008-01-07 03:44 PM |

Kind words indeed there Spud. Just knowing you took the time to troll means a lot. BTW did you learn that unique writing style after watching the 'Jimmy' series on Seinfeld? Or does that have something to do with the education up north?

i'm sure condi is the only one explaining the cons of going to war with iran. and the rhetoric has toned down a bit. but its almost inevitable if you have leaders on both sides that are begging for it to happen. lets hope calmer heads prevail.

"lets hope calmer heads prevail."

Yes, let's.

However, we don't have any need for the number of ships in the Persian Gulf that I understand we have there.

Danni, the military stategist speaks

For what is going on in that part of the world, Navy ships are probably undernumbered. There are about the same number there as there have been off and on for at least 30 years. I spent quite a while there myself in the '70s. The Navy presence was about the same then.

LOL. I wonder how the u.s. warmongering fuckstains would react if the shoe was on the other foot and iranian "battle ships" were cruising off the coast of cali or florida. """Oh, but that's different""".

Terrorist is what terrorist does, the only dif. is that the u.s. has nice shiny uniforms.

far more likely, the US boats were harrasing the Iranians in an effort to provoke an incident that would necessitate a response in order to preserve our National Pride.

The Sibel Edwards story was in the Sunday London Times but will not be reported in the United States. US State Department personell sold Nuclear secrets to Pakistan and Turkey. Pakistan's Khan later met with Libya, North Korea, Iran and al Qaeda to discuss a like technology transfer. Then there was the unauthorized transfer of nuclear weapons across the United States, officially declared an accident. Bound for somewhere until another whistleblower broke wind. Never mind that procedures developed over 40 years preclude any possibility of an accident.

BushCo and his NeoCon thugs still have 13 months to lie, steal, torture and kill with impunity. The Germans also labeled all resistance as "Terrorists".

I wonder how the u.s. warmongering fuckstains would react if the shoe was on the other foot and iranian "battle ships" were cruising off the coast of cali or florida. """Oh, but that's different""".

Oh, geeeze, there goes my trip to the beach this weekend. *grin*

I wonder how the u.s. warmongering fuckstains would react if the shoe was on the other foot and iranian "battle ships" were cruising off the coast of cali or florida.

They'd do what I'm doing right now trying to imagine this.

They'd laugh.

Funny how the little incident with the British soldiers has not been brought up. I for one would love to see them attempt that with our sailors. It would give Bush every right to make amends for the cowards we had in Washington in the late 70's.

"The Navy presence was about the same then."

that isn't what I've been hearing. I've been hearing that multiple carrier attack groups have been deployed to the Gulf and that it was actually becoming a problem maneuvering because of shallow in some parts of the Gulf. That was a couple months ago and I don't know if we still have the build up of ships there or not.

no, we had two carriers in there for some drills (i believe this is in the article) but now we are back to the usual one. as for our navy presence being the same as decades ago, i wouldn't be the least bit surprised. more americans are starting to pay attention nowadays, thats why it may come as a shock.

more americans are starting to pay attention nowadays, thats why it may come as a shock.

That's true. When I was in the Navy the battle group my ship was in was involved in several incidents (two with Iranian ships blocking the straits of Hormuz) that I was told by my father never made the news stateside.

The press reports every little thing that goes on over there today. They didn't 30 years ago.

At this point, I would just as soon Nuke the hell out of Iran, turn it to a large glass parking lot, and send the Islamics where they want to go anyway..Heaven.

I'll try to remember to be stupid in the future.

Posted by danni at 2008-01-07 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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ROFLMAO.....your "remembering" has been automatic in the past, the present and now you've confirmed it for the future.

Commonsense, just a point of clarification - it was actually the Iraqi's who put the missle into the USS Stark...

Rogue, ROC...how oddly appropriate quotes to the French Castle Scene seem in this context.

FF

They were doing this to us in '91-92 around the time of the first Gulf War and it wasn't that big a deal.

I was on a guided missile cruiser and they would buzz our ship in little zodiac boats (or nothing much bigger), charging out to us and laughing, looking like a bunch of Borats, then cutting in front of our bow, circling around and then cutting across our wake. They'd start heading back toward the Iranian coast but invariably they'd turn around and charge us again. It didn't last long -- just while we were in the Straights.

We were alternately amused and anxious. We were always at general quarters with weapons ready, but we weren't allowed to point anything at them except our fire-control radars, as I recall.

Yeah stax but since the USS Cole was attacked by a fast speed boat in 2000, things are different. Plus, were they on their radio's threatening you?

We also used to turn off anything that radiated (radar, comms, etc) and go about 2 miles into their territorial waters at ngith, then we'd turn everything on and sprint back to international waters."

For some reason, that makes me think of guys banging on pots and pans, blasting the A-OOHGAH horns, and lighting firecrackers.

Posted by Sancho at 2008-01-07 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

I agree. I think it was payback for the Exocet Missle (also US made) that the Iranians put into the side of the USS Stark, and then claimed "Ooooops".

I don't doubt for a minute that we were looking to blow one of them out of the sky if given provocation, but w/o a shot fired, there was none.

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2008-01-07 03:29 PM

Dear Boy it was Iraq who fired the missile and Ronnie gave them a pass for killing US Navy personnel and then he blamed the Iranians for having the audacity to fight the invasion of their country by the Iraqis

Commonsense, just a point of clarification - it was actually the Iraqi's who put the missle into the USS Stark...

Posted by bartimus at 2008-01-07 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yikes.....and I even read the article. My blunder. Just not my day for reporting on the M.E. I guess.

Does this mistake qualify me for the job Bush currently holds?

No, but you can be press secretary.

DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE???

Lou Dobbs show now just put on a report by the Pentagon about this incident. They said the Iranian gunboats had contact with our ships and told them "we are coming at you and you will explode in a few minutes"

Then the gunboats dropped white boxes into the water. After that they turned around and left.

Huh? Why would the Iranians give ANY kind of warning if their intention was to blow up our ship?

This "report" sure makes you wonder what really happened.

The Navy is a sitting duck in the Persian Gulf, practically asking to be attacked. It could be Bush needs a damaged ship as an excuse to flatten Iran.

Chris,
Did the report say how close the gunboat got?

I would think that if the warned us that they were going to blow us up we would have locked on and seen how big their balls were.

Bush needs a damaged ship as an excuse to flatten Iran.

Admiral Fallon isn't playing that game.

This may be extreme, but it's a small pond and guys in small boats always feel a bit froggy. They're just probing the defenses. They may regret it if they get too close.

Besides, Bush is getting the battle plan from the Israelis.

Lou Dobbs show now just put on a report by the Pentagon about this incident. They said the Iranian gunboats had contact with our ships and told them "we are coming at you and you will explode in a few minutes"

Lou Rawks!

Coupla weird points made about this incident on The Hypothetical Situation Room wif Wolf.

First, they noted that the boats in question were like gnats compared to the boats they were allegedy dogging.

Cafferty sed that if they got too close they would be blown outta the water and then a call would be put in to Tehran...

"Hello... Yeah, you know yer Navy with like 9 boats in it?

Yeah, ya got 7 left ...now stop it"

Jack Cafferty rawks too!

Then Wolf sed that this was a minor incident and that the candidates would not be being asked to respond on it.

Spud went Whaaa?

Wolf has that kinda power now?!

The question on todays Cafferty file was "why doesn't congress impeach Bush and Cheney?"

Good bloody question.

The answers showed that their is real interest and anger around this issue out there. The points were made that the Congress is a hopelessly corporately corrupted body but nobody took the time to point out that even if every Dem in the Congress voted to impeach that the 60 votes needed in the Senate to continue the process weren't forthcoming. That sed, Spud thinks that the Congress SHOULD vote to impeach Bush and Cheney over and over and over again. Like once a week until either this reality becomes patently obvious to everybody or the 60 votes turn up. Sad thing is the Dems are afraid of giving another GOPher the office because they figure it'll be tougher to dislodge him around election time. They couldn't be more wrong if they tried but that's the perception or the rationalisation being used by the likes of Nancy "Still getting rich offa this war" Pelosi and Harry "Nap-time" Reid. But don't fergit it's the GOPhers who are main culprits here not the Dems. That sed, they are both a whack of corporately corrupted scum and there is very little baby left in that dirty, dirty bathwater in DC.

Reject the status Quo.

"Experience" in DC is NOT an asset.

But eye digress.

Back on topic?

Iran would be crazy to initiate an exchange of serious gunfire with the US and they know it. However, being the crazy fundie whack jobs that a lot of them are, Spud could certainly see them sacrificing some patsies to US Gunfire in order to solidify their people and their political base against the percieved encroacher while playing the victim card in the world court of public opinion.

A dangerous game of brinksmanship is being played here and neither sides message can be completely trusted.

Be Well.

Conviction in an impeachment trial requires a two-thirds majority (after obtaining a quorum) in the Senate, not 60 votes, which is the number required to halt a discussion and vote on a bill.

Conviction in an impeachment trial requires a two-thirds majority (after obtaining a quorum) in the Senate, not 60 votes, which is the number required to halt a discussion and vote on a bill.

And to get that, proof of wrong-doing is necessary. All the yahoos on the liberal blogs say the proof is there. But I guess the people who actually can make it happen think otherwise. It does give a little bit of faith that that there might actually be a complete brain or two in congress.

Or perhaps the Dems are just as vulnerable and no one wants to start the food fight.

Besides, Bush is getting the battle plan from the Israelis.

It seems to me that the game plan is to keep the war and the economy as possible until the next president is installed in office.

Correction:
It seems to me that the game plan is to keep the war and the economy as quiet as possible until the next president is installed in office.

I spent a lot of time in the Persian Gulf in the '70s on a USN frigate. What I'm reading sounds like a normal day there. *yawn*

Yes, we were at GQ all the time, but we still had our Sunday picnic and skeet shoot off the helicopter landing deck. Every night we still closed the helicopter hangar door and projected a movie on it as the off duty seaman sat outside ala drive-in and watched it.

I'll bet it's pretty much the same 30 years later.

Iranian ships Harass U.S. navy ships?

More like pimples on the ass than harass.


Spud expects liberal headlines after this like.

"U.S. ships enter Iranian waters" or
"U.S. seeks way to start war with Iran" or
"U.S. pickin on poor old Iranian boat people for fun"!

Whatever happens spud says liberal DNC media will paint it as big old mean U.S. navy bullying poor old never bother anyone Iranians.

Of course don't worry cos Obama can handle those Iranians. Yep Obama will smoke then Iranians faster than a vile of crack on Saturday night in the hood.

Spud is smart this way cos spud is spud!

Bee Swell

IRAN BETTER WATCH OUT....our ships will chew them up and spit them out

BTW...i do not think that the american navy will mind using iranian habors for target practice....including civilian and commercial harbors

No, but you can be press secretary.

Posted by Jomama at 2008-01-07 07:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'll take it!

"Next question, Helen"

"Is Pres Bush a douchebag?"

"Why yes, he is. Next question"

When your vessels are "approached" with this game of tag, you're supposed to blow them out of the water. Then await developments while they explain what they were doing in provoking you, and why their presence was innocuous.

Posted by danni at 2008-01-07 03:17 PM

I'll try to remember to be stupid in the future.

Stupid is as stupid does....

"All the yahoos on the liberal blogs say the proof is there. But I guess the people who actually can make it happen think otherwise."

As if "proof" has anything whatever to do with it. It is purely a political decision on the part of Republicans who have been putting party ahead of country for quite a few years now. I wouldn't exactly call them traitors but I would also not call them patriots. America will become a much better country when and if the Republican Party goes the way of the Whigs.

I doubt A'jad had anything to do with this. I do suspect that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is a bit roguish in its behavior. What does a radical military person have to fear for creating an escalating situation? Paradise comes instantly for a dead (i.e., "martyred") jihadi, right? So, they want death ASAP. If at the same time they bring about a war betweem their extreme spiritual view and the West, they have created something they really want. Now, A'jad, nutty as he may be, isn't in that same camp. So, A'jad probably has some cracking down to do on his Revolutionary Guards.

And for the American Enterprise Institute scholars, and their fearless leader D*ck Cheney, why are you still lobbying for a dangerous tinderbox situation in the Persian Gulf? What good would a conflagration there do for anyone?

To the extent that the Iranians are threatening the lives of our servicemen, they should have the right to defend themselves.

Our troops have the right to defend themselves, and if Iran is stupid enough to provoke an attack than they deserve it... but this isn't enough to preemptively attack Iran.

Iranian ships Harass U.S. navy ships?

More like pimples on the ass than harass.


Spud expects liberal headlines after this like.

"U.S. ships enter Iranian waters" or
"U.S. seeks way to start war with Iran" or
"U.S. pickin on poor old Iranian boat people for fun"!

blah blah blah...

Posted by DUMSPUD at 2008-01-07 08:16 PM

Are you aware of just how stupid you come across when you try to taunt Spud? Why not show the world how smart you are by actually taking him up on some his points? This one, for instance:

"Iran would be crazy to initiate an exchange of serious gunfire with the US and they know it. However, being the crazy fundie whack jobs that a lot of them are, Spud could certainly see them sacrificing some patsies to US Gunfire in order to solidify their people and their political base against the percieved encroacher while playing the victim card in the world court of public opinion."

Do I hear the chorus of

"Bomb bomb bomb,

Bomb bomb Iran!"

gently playing in the background?

Bush will get his World War III (or is it IV?) yet!

377 days 4 hours 3 minutes left!

Ok, I can't handle it anymore. I've read through this chain and I just can't STAND to hear the uninformed spout "facts". Let's set some things straight.

1. US Navy ships do NOT enter into another countries territorial waters (COMMONSENSE, you're full of shit). The Iranians claim an excessive baseline that is not recognized under international maritime law. The US Navy, until recently, choose to exercise their right to cross the "Black Line", but does not enter inside the 12nm territorial waters. Recently, to avoid international incidents, we have opted to not even cross the Black Line.

2. The Strait of Hormuz is international waters by virtue of being narrower than 24nm. Any ship, of any nationality, can conduct "transit passage" of those waters. The US Navy is VERY well versed with, and stringently compliant with, the rules regarding transit passage and innocent passage.

3. Mining international waters is considered a hostile act. The Iranians know that. They were doing one of two things by dropping those "boxes" in the water: attempting to martyr some speedboat crews and thusly initiate an incident OR test the ships to see what we'll let them get away with next time, when the boxes will be 55gal drums full of explosives.

4. Danni, there are LESS US Navy ships in the Gulf than there used to be. The much covered "3 carrier battle groups" in the Gulf many months ago were in fact a regular face-to-face turnover of two Carrier Strike Groups and an Expeditionary Strike Group that was already there (grand total - approximately 15 ships, with 5 leaving). The Aussies, Japanese, French and Germans usually have a few in there, too. The Combined Maritime Force primarily interdicts smuggling and piracy in the Gulf (guess where the pirates come from?).

5. Last, the IRGCN (Republican Guard Navy) has more missile shooting boats and ships in the Gulf than we do and "swarm" tactics are an IRGCN bread-and-butter special. This last one was 3 boats. I've seen 30. Make no mistake - the Iranians think they own the Strait and one of these days, they're going to pull a Pearl Harbor on a group of US Navy ships. When that happens, I'm going to be here to read all of your posts where you say "why didn't we do something about this earlier?".

"Make no mistake - the Iranians think they own the Strait"

YEAH!

And apparently so do some Americans (28%)!

But why are they over there anyway? Oh that's right --- cause you all think you're entitled to their oil too!

In addition, being a conservative and all myself and not a Bush Cultist, and one who has recognized the dishonesty and trickery of this administration, I don't believe a word that comes out of the government cake hole and therefore am skeptical any of this ever transpired!

Since the release of the NIE prematurely ruined the Bush Cults rational for more needless war, they have no doubt concocted a new plan --- and sadly, the "Cant Trust Government", "The Government Cant Do Anything Right" "conservative" fakers eagerly repeat what ever this "government" says like it's the gospel truth!

I think the US Navy handled themselves with Honor. If it was me I would have blasted them out of the water.

Fortunately cooler heads prevailed.

AS Mustang pointed out these kinds of war games go on all the time. I am actually surprised that this situation wasn't taken advantage of and that restores my faith in our Commanders... I am sure our CiC would have loved for things to have turned out differently.

BLAME AMERICA

There are certainly many things that the Bush Admin has done that really pisses me off, but enough with you people from the "Blame America First Club".

I know you hate Bush but your hatred blinds your vision.

The truth is that no one on this post really knows the truth. No one really knows who started what unless you were there and my guess is that you werent.

Those who automatically blame Bush and or America first are basically stating that they believe Ahmadinejad. If thats the case then please F'ing move to Iran. Trust me, you'll like it there.

"Those who automatically blame Bush and or America first are basically stating that they believe Ahmadinejad. If thats the case then please F'ing move to Iran. Trust me, you'll like it there."

And I'll contribute toward buying one-way tickets for them! Ya' gotta pity 'em. They don't even know where the Straits of Hormuz are located, don't know the rules of the road in those waters and are just Bush-hating dunderheads. Bush may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but this had nothing to do with him.

Bush may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but this had nothing to do with him.

Posted by jestgettinalong at 2008-01-09 03:08 PM

A dull knife can cause more damage than a sharp knife and yes this DOES have to do with Bush.

He is the CiC. Everything that happens on his watch "belongs" to him...good or bad.

Having said that I repeat. The ship Captains and the task force Commander acted honorably and in the best interests of America and saved this country further unnecessary headaches...in spite of Bush.

If it had been me my emotions would have gotten the better of me and I woulda blasted those Iranian pricks straight to hell and Bush woulda got his woody and the world would have been less safe...again.

I am glad I wasn't there!

The Navy came out of it smelling like a rose!

Go Navy!

Ok, I can't handle it anymore. I've read through this chain and I just can't STAND to hear the uninformed spout "facts". Let's set some things straight.

1. US Navy ships do NOT enter into another countries territorial waters (COMMONSENSE, you're full of shit). The Iranians claim an excessive baseline that is not recognized under international maritime law. The US Navy, until recently, choose to exercise their right to cross the "Black Line", but does not enter inside the 12nm territorial waters. Recently, to avoid international incidents, we have opted to not even cross the Black Line.


Posted by FLYING_MUSTANG at 2008-01-09 08:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

Flying, I don't care what you think of my posts. I can only tell you what my ship did when I was there.

Ask others on here. I'm not known as a liar. Don't believe we did just what I described, too bad. We went within 10 miles of their coastline (we recognized 12 miles).

Like I said, don't believe it? Tough titties!

AS Mustang pointed out these kinds of war games go on all the time. I am actually surprised that this situation wasn't taken advantage of and that restores my faith in our Commanders... I am sure our CiC would have loved for things to have turned out differently.

Posted by donnerboy at 2008-01-09 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, sure. 'Cuz it was Mudstain that pointed that out. Riiiiiight.

"I am sure our CiC would have loved for things to have turned out differently."

You're sure "sure" of a lot of things. You wouldn't be a Buffalo_Bob follower, would you?

You're sure "sure" of a lot of things. You wouldn't be a Buffalo_Bob follower, would you?

Posted by jestgettinalong at 2008-01-09 06:28 PM

Bush has been your Prez for 7 years and you still don't know how he thinks?

How sad for you...

The Rethuglicans have turned America into a nation of fearful pussies.

Fascist bastards. I notice a similarity between Nazi Germany and the current administration:

Use Arabs/Muslims as a weapon of hate, just as the Germans used the jews.

Use illegal immigrants/Mexicans, in the same manner.

As Sinclair Lewis said "when fascism comes to this country, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross. ...

I SMELL BULLSHIT.

Hey Dick! How should we get the public behind us for that Iranian thingy you wanted to do this year?

Well Georgie, we need an angle. a story. Let's say that the Iranians threatened us! Let's say they challenged a boat or a plane of ours! Whaddya think!

Golly Gee Dick!

FUCKING GENIUS!

Let the spin begin!

Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!