Tragic.

Karl Rove ripped into liberal bloggers at a web politics conference this week, assailing the "angry kooks" on the "nutty fringe of political life" who have seized "inexpensive and easily accessible" platforms to upend public debate.


Well, he certainly couldn't be expected to assail the angry kooks on the nutty fringe of political life who have seized control of the Executive Branch of United States Government, could he?

Pillsbury is missing their doughboy. Oh, wait..

Can't have people openly expressing opinions. It get in the way of the propaganda.

Go piss up a rope Turd Blossom.

Blogs have given voice to people and causes where maybe those voices weren't heard in days past. It's interesting to see how the blogosphere has helped shape policy in the Dem party.

Since Rove has called (the collective) you out... and you consider yourselves NOT to be the left kook fringe... do you think that there even is a left kook fringe? If so, who/what are they and what is it that makes them so in your eyes?

"angry kooks" on the "nutty fringe of political life"


LOL! He just discribed the Lefty DRer's here today.

Too funny.

I thought you guys said he was an idiot.

"I thought you guys said he was an idiot."
Maybe they did.
Karl's not an idiot, though.
He's just an evil little shitmeister.
But cute as a maggot, frisky as a gerbil, and as cuddly as a pineapple
Are you cute and cuddly, too, LustAmerican?
Yrs,
Jeff "Softball" Gannon

Their is an investigation over his tampering with judges for political reasons. His next job maybe making big rocks into little ones. He's a zero now, everyone knows what he is all about. Only place he can work is in the South

If you have seen Karl Rove dance, you would not question who the real "kook" is.

Like He Can Judge, What An Ass Clown !!

-Sarge

"nutty fringe of political life" who have seized "inexpensive and easily accessible" platforms to upend public debate

inexpensive and easily accessible?

Marx once called Religion the "opiate of the masses".

That was only because he never got a chance to see cable teevee.

Fer the longest time the handgun was called "the great equaliser"

That was by people who hadn't seen the internet.

Spud to Carl "Christian" Rove:

Go fuck yerself wif a stick you revolting, sack of putrified parrot droppings.

Wow that felt good.

Actually wot the Kruel Rover is soooo pissed off about is the fact that blog-world has upended the status quo too fast fer them to fix.

Used to be that public will was far more easy to shape.

Consent was a pretty much manufactured at will wot with the increasing control of independent newspapers and the rest of the MSM and the Think Tanks focus grouping the new language variants.

Nowadays a million bucks worth of propaganda can be countered by any jackass wif a pc and an ISP provider.

Even a largely imaginary 8 1/2 inch tall talking potato gets his say.

Imagine that.

Be Well.

PS: Yup, is Spud entering that bastion of independent thought, the insidious Drudge Retort, as ya do,
stage left.

He's just an evil little shitmeister.

You really don't like this guy, do you?

You are using quite a bit of your imagination to hate this guy.

His next job maybe making big rocks into little ones

With those pearly white palms? Bite your tongue, you. . you . . torturer YOU!

Pffft

Karl Rove ripped into liberal bloggers at a web politics conference this week, assailing the "angry kooks" on the "nutty fringe of political life" who have seized "inexpensive and easily accessible" platforms to upend public debate.

I disagree with Rove. I think there are just as many "angry kooks" on the far-right as there are on the far-left.

I also believe the actual impact of the net-roots is still limited -- if the "Kossacks" had their way John Edwards would be leading Democratic race for President. And if the "Freepers" had their way, Duncan Hunter would head the GOP race. And of course, there is a healthy support for Ron Paul among both the Freepers and Kossacks even though he polls at less then 5% overall.

You really don't like this guy, do you?

Wot's not to hate?

You are using quite a bit of your imagination to hate this guy.

Spud uses a lot of imagination in blog-world but at the end of the day there's always more left where that came from.

The more Spud use it.
The less Spud lose it.

Darndest thing, really.

Be Well.

Could that shitstain be less relevent?

'"inexpensive and easily accessible" platforms to upend public debate.'

The Pillsbury Blowboy wants to limit access to the means of upending public debate to those with alot of cash. Otherwise, he's out of a job.

Could that shitstain be less relevent?

Posted by frankf55


agreed. Time to move on and not make the same mistake going forward.

Rove has a point.

Most folks do realize the differences between the kooky Left and Liberals and the kooky Left and the Dem Party.

The problem arises when the kooky Left has so much power and money, that the "perception" is that they are running the Dem Party.

Many here on the DR say the same thing about Fox News--they are a mouth piece for the Repub Party, they are biased, they are....

But I don't think we would ever see an ad on Fox refer to Hillary as "The Hildabeast". (Similar to what moveon puts out against General Petraeous--as General Be-tray-us).

You can complain about Fox--but Fox is not running the debate or the issues for the Repub Party like moveon and mediamatters are running the content of the Dem Party.

Many folks complain about the Christian conservatives running the Repub Party--same thing about the kooky Left.

Murphy

You really don't like this guy, do you?

That is correct. You get 1-point.

You are using quite a bit of your imagination to hate this guy.
Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-11-10 12:09 PM

No, that is incorrect. I'm sure your imagination operates on warp speed as you attempt to keep up with the DR's ebb and flow. But most of us find it not at all difficult or taxing.
So, minus 1-point.
That puts you back at zero, right where you started.
Feel free to try again when you're up to it.

There is nothing sadder than a white boy that can't rap.

What fucked up the right is that... of course... it is always someone else's fault... they don't self police... rubber stamp everything... and collapsed under their own weight.

Heaven knows those that unquestioningly supported them on the way up regained consciousness after they spent that $300 rebate. It was bound to happen.

"FUCK KARL ROVE".....There now I feel better!!!!

He's just pissed that the elite don't have total control anymore. We the people now have an outlet and it's the internet, including these blogs.

Now why would Karl be against the American people having a real voice in the process for a change?

That puts you back at zero, right where you started.
Posted by Doc_Sarvis


Thanks for keeping score, Doc, but nobody cares.

LOL!!!

Looks like your imagination did get TAXED a little too much on that last one.

I did not mean to offend you with the original comment, but since you took it the worng way, then there must be be some guilt of maybe, perhaps, being one of those kooks that Karl is talking about?

"FUCK KARL ROVE".....There now I feel better!!!!

Posted by celisary


Now, that's honesty!

See Doc? He didn't have to tax his brain and can go on to more constructive thinking.

Many folks complain about the Christian conservatives running the Repub Party--same thing about the kooky Left.

Murphy

Posted by MURPHY


Excellent point, Murphy.

This "fringe kook" specialized in smear campaigns, which usually include FBI investigations leaked to the press based on nothing yet sometimes leading to political convictions. Like Gonzales, he's laying low. But, if any indictments surface against these two, Bush will pardon.

Posted by LastAmerican

Minus 2. You're three cages, two bananas, and a lockbox away from Orang territory, kiddo.

LOL

Rove didn't mind spreading vicious and untrue rumors about John McCain in SC in 2000.

He didn't mind smearing Max Clelend of Georgia - a war hero.

He didn't mind using the Justice Department to win elections by spreading innuendo and perpetrating 'investigations to nowhere' like he did in Texas.

He didn't mind using pages out of Goebbels' propaganda playbook.

Karl,

Crawl back in your hole.

Haha, you fags just got owned.

You used to be relevant, Karl but now you're not. You were very effective at what you did but even those to whom you were useful probably didn't like you much. The rest of us despised you for the sleazy political operative that you were. If you are remembered at all it will only be in a bad way, like Ken Starr, Nixon and that useless and sorry excuse for a man that you worked for. Go collect your reward from the people you helped enrich and please STFU in future.

Left wing kook-bloggers? Sure. I'm sure I've worn that proud badge myself.

However, I haven't recommended that all Muslims be denied American citizenship and that population centers in Iraq be nuked to shorten the war. That would be on the Right-wing blogs.

There are kooks, and then there are crazies.

assailing the "angry kooks" on the "nutty fringe of political life"

I wonder how Slant Head Hannity, O'Rielly and Limblow feel about being called this by shithead rover?

From my 1135am post - "Since Rove has called (the collective) you out... and you consider yourselves NOT to be the left kook fringe... do you think that there even is a left kook fringe? If so, who/what are they and what is it that makes them so in your eyes?"

Anyone care to play along?

He's just an evil little shitmeister.

You really don't like this guy, do you?

You are using quite a bit of your imagination to hate this guy.

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-11-10 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well, it is your lord a savior George W Bush who gave him the name 'TURD Blossom'

Pretty imaginative.

Rove should keep his yap shut. With all the truly evil shit that he's done to many folks who did'nt deserve it (well beyond simple campaign politics), he's about due for a huge Karmic ass kicking! He should have heeded his mentor Lee Atwater's example. Near his death, Atwater came clean, and apologized for all the evil things he did to his political opponents. Karma's a bitch, and Atwater died a terrible, painful death. I look at Rove, and he does'nt look too healthy, could he be next?

I look forward to US Attornys and an FBI who won't be afraid of retribution from goose stepping Rethuglican appointees, and feel free to investigate so much of the criminal shit that's gone on during this administration. Much of it should be traced back to the desk of Turd Blossom. I'd love to see that fucker frog marched into court in an orange jail jumpsuit! The glorius thing is that it'll happen in a time when Turd Blossom's butt buddy boss won't be in position to pardon him!

I love the fact that I can tell the difference between a liberal blog, a liberal radio show, and their conservative counterparts.

The liberal ones are filled with words containing multiple syllables. For being a bunch of "kooks," they have a much better use of the vernacular.

"What say you" (3x1) Karl?

From my 1135am post - "Since Rove has called (the collective) you out... and you consider yourselves NOT to be the left kook fringe... do you think that there even is a left kook fringe? If so, who/what are they and what is it that makes them so in your eyes?"

Anyone care to play along?

Posted by OohRah at 2007-11-10 07:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

So I think our kooks are the conspiracy folks.

I think your kooks are the people that dream up websites named Liberals Must Die.

I agree with the above comment though I don't understand how you can say "although I do see them taking full and gross advantage of that act of terrorism for their own political gain." when I don't see any political gain at all. The GOP has lost millions of members, the house, the senate, many governorships and the popularity of the President is at an all time low here and around the world.

Bowa,

They took advantage for their own political gain.

Political gain was why they took advantage.

The fact that it backfired to an extent is neither here nor there. Political gain is why they took advantage.

And to be accurate they did see some success. I believe that both The Patriot Act and The Military Commissions Act are counted as successes by this administration, are they not?

Answering Oohrah:
absolutely. Both sides of the fence have wonderful sources of nuttiness.

Sam-
On the left, what defines nuttiness?

And to be accurate they did see some success. I believe that both The Patriot Act and The Military Commissions Act are counted as successes by this administration, are they not?

Well. I disagree with your entire premise actually. I beleive that Islamo-fascism is as great a threat to the US and the World as Nazism and Communism was last century. So to the extent that the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act has helped to close the security breaches that allowed 9/11 to happen and help us to fight this war against islamic militants -- then yes I think they are successes.

Political gain was why they took advantage.

I don't buy it. After 9/11 there was a lot of fear that led to many mistakes and overreaching being made -- but I don't beleive that there was some overarching master political plan about anything in the Bush Adminsitration. There is just too many variables to deal with all the time. I mean, it's easy to develop what ever narrative you want in hindsight -- but in real time - you can't do it. Do you know what's even gonna happen in the next 24 hours in pakistan, or turkey? So how can you possibly believe that any administration is so powerful that they can develop a world plan even before they entered office -- before they even knew what they had to deal with -- it's just craziness -- the world doesn't operate that way.

"After 9/11 there was a lot of fear that led to many mistakes and overreaching being made "

bowa

which was the idea...dude:>)LOL

I don't buy it.

So says the "Giuliani (9/11!) will (9/11!) save (9/11!) us" myrmidon.

I don't buy it. After 9/11 there was a lot of fear that led to many mistakes and overreaching being made -- but I don't beleive that there was some overarching master political plan about anything in the Bush Adminsitration. There is just too many variables to deal with all the time. I mean, it's easy to develop what ever narrative you want in hindsight -- but in real time - you can't do it. Do you know what's even gonna happen in the next 24 hours in pakistan, or turkey? So how can you possibly believe that any administration is so powerful that they can develop a world plan even before they entered office -- before they even knew what they had to deal with -- it's just craziness -- the world doesn't operate that way.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-11-10 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Whew! Thanks for laying that one to rest with your argument, Bowa. I am SO relieved.

I'm glad I could help you sleep tonight. Anytime.

So the PNAC is just a myth?
Whew! Thanks for laying that one to rest with your argument, Bowa. I am SO relieved.
Posted by TreesGoneWild


A think tank only has so much influence. Tell you what: if a Democrat gets elected, let's meet in February 2009 and discuss whatever is the current/Lefty version of PNAC.

Do you know PNAC, Mr. Fair? I'm genuinely curious how you can think that a "think tank" who's memebers make and made up the Bush Administration only had "so much influence" in the "only" sense.

The lunatic fringe really describes the lace panties covering Jeff Guckert's/Gannon's arse...drives KKKarl crazy.

A think tank only has so much influence. Tell you what: if a Democrat gets elected, let's meet in February 2009 and discuss whatever is the current/Lefty version of PNAC.

Let's start now. What do you consider the "Lefty version of PNAC"?

I'm not saying there isn't a "Lefty version of PNAC". I'd just like to see what you think might be a comparible.

PNAC's signatories - think anyone has had "only so much influence" in this group?

Dick Cheney
Donald Rumsfeld
I. Lewis Libby
Paul Wolfowitz
Norman Podhoretz
Francis Fukuyama
Donald Kagan
Zalmay Khalilzad
Jeb Bush
Elliott Abrams
William J. Bennett
Eliot A. Cohen
Midge Decter
Paula Dobriansky
Steve Forbes
Aaron Friedberg
Frank Gaffney
Fred C. Ikle
Dan Quayle
Peter W. Rodman
Stephen P. Rosen
Henry S. Rowen
Vin Weber
George Weigel
Gary Bauer

Haha, you fags just got owned.

Posted by ChickenInOven


Thanks Chicken. I think Doc felt it.

"I beleive that Islamo-fascism is as great a threat to the US and the World as Nazism and Communism was last century."

Considering that there is no such thing as "Islamo-fascism," this comment makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm not saying there isn't a "Lefty version of PNAC". I'd just like to see what you think might be a comparible.
Posted by Whatsleft


I am admitting that I don't know, but if there is one with as much clout as you guys assign to PNAC, then we'd better start arguing about it right now. Can you tell me which one it is?

YAV - I guess "influence" was the wrong word. What I meant was that regardless of who was in it, they didn't get anywhere near achieving all their stated goals, nor all the additional nefarious things assigned to them.

"I beleive that Islamo-fascism is as great a threat to the US and the World as Nazism and Communism was last century."

MrFair,

I really can't think of one.

I can imagine that some conservatives would argue that the Kossacks or the folks over at MoveOn are on par with the PNACers, however, I don't see it.

I don't know of a group on the left that has had a number of elected or appointed officials signed on to their statement of vision.

with as much clout as you guys assign to PNAC

We don't "assign" the PNAC anything. Look at the list.

YAV - I guess "influence" was the wrong word. What I meant was that regardless of who was in it, they didn't get anywhere near achieving all their stated goals, nor all the additional nefarious things assigned to them.

Posted by MrFair at 2007-11-10 11:40 PM | Reply

Yeah because there is a thing in this here place called America called Karma. Karma is a real bitch when You are on the wrong side of Karma. They didn't get to achieve their stated Goals because their goals were Morally and Ethically Wrong. This is why everything in Iraq is a shambles today because Karma Dictated to the United States that We would lose it. Since we lost it the very moment it began. Sure they got their oil but at an enormous cost to the United States and to Her credibility. This is why PNAC has been a failure in Mine eyes.

Larry Mohr

This is why PNAC has been a failure in Mine eyes.

The NeoCons had unstated goals, which they've achieved beyond their wildest dreams. The PNAC was simply a means to an end.

Rove Slams Liberal Blogs.....

Liberal blogs fight back-with punches-kicks-beatdowns with a ball bat-whipped him even with a telephone cord...(OUCH! THAT'S gonna leave a mark.)-he has as much credibility as scooter.

When you look at Rove, and do not come to the conclusion of an extremely flawed character (just on appearances only), and a total asshole, then you yourself are flawed! I trust no one, until they prove themselves. He proved my judgement correct...Carl "the math" Rove is a fucking asshole!!!

PNAC is a long term project with long term goals . . . all of them bad.

I hope nobody thinks for a minute that the neo-cons have given up. William Kristol, a co-founder of PNAC blames George Bush for putting a chink in their "perfect storm" but hopes run high that Giuliani will be smarter.

(Personally, I blame Dan Quayle. Any group that would accept Dan Quayle into a brain trust . . . well, you get my drift.)

Contrary to fact (and BOWA's assertion) this plan has been sitting on a shelf since 1997 waiting for the opportune moment (911) and an incurious puppet (George Bush) to set the wheels in motion.

The baton will be passed . . . again and again until they've beaten this country, the greatest obstacle in their path, to it's knees.

For the moment, voting is our only voice. I suggest we use it (while we still have it) and send these neo-cons to an early demise.

The Democrats have a country to save. Let's show George Bush what "git 'er done" really means.

"angry kooks" on the "nutty fringe of political life"

I know lastamerican said it early on but it bears repeating......I didnt know rove looked at this site..

( now come on....admit it liberal bros.....if we didnt jump on that, you would be disappointed, now wouldnt you?????)


anyway.........so the liberal kooks rpeatedly called him all sorts of names and accused him of being everything bad under the sun......and now he is out of public service and you cant take it when he comes back at you.......

if you cant take it, then dont dish it out.....only a pussy does that........of course thats exacly what liberals expect from the rest of us.......to just bend over and take it from them and then say thank you, can I have another.......

BLT commenting on "angry kooks" and the "nutty fringe of political life/"

WTF?!?!

well doc.......you should understand this since it applies to you too.....


"angry kooks" and the "nutty fringe of political life/"



who better to comment on it than someone from the "INSIDE".............

yuk yuk

YAV - I guess "influence" was the wrong word. What I meant was that regardless of who was in it, they didn't get anywhere near achieving all their stated goals, nor all the additional nefarious things assigned to them.

Posted by MrFair at 2007-11-10 11:40 PM


"Karl Rove ripped into liberal bloggers at a web politics conference this week, assailing the "angry kooks" on the "nutty fringe of political life" who have seized "inexpensive and easily accessible" platforms to upend public debate."

See the connection? Understand now why Turd Blossom is bellyaching?

Touch, Monsieur Pussycat

Rove's p.o.'d that he web has made cheating and lying so much harder to do... Poor despot wannabe.

He should be doing time.

What about fat pervs on the fascist fringe?

.........Turd Blossom is one angry queer-mafia member.......

.........since laws don't apply to this administration, why doesn't he just have the bloggers tracked down and killed by the CIA.??......

.......its simpler than blowing a gasket in that Elmer Fudd head of his........