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New NEWSWEEK poll: Hillary took the heat at Democratic debate and emerged undamaged.

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What does not kill you makes you stronger.

Hillary is a wuss.

Whhhaaaaaaa, the other candidates were tough on me

Whhhhaaaaaaaa, the moderator asked me politically incorrect question and made me answer it truthfully on stage

Hillary can't have it both ways.
Either play and take it as tough as everybody else or get out of the race.

I prefer Hillary does the latter and drops out. Our country has had enough Bushes and Clintons for a lifetime and it will take years for the American people to finally recover from their globalist agendas. NO MAS!

Go home and bake some cookies, Hillary.

Whether anyone likes it or not, Hillary is the next president.

Much like Bush, she can make mistakes, blunders and faux pas. It just won't matter.

But Hillary Clinton is our next president. I'm not saying I believe she's the best candidate. I am saying I believe everyone knows the GOP is screwed and Hillary will likely get the democrat nomination.

That makes Hillary the next president.

When's the last time we had a president simply known by their first name?

Hillary!


As it turns out, she was correct about both the National Archives and the Spitzer policy.

Not that substance in grey areas matters. We all know everything is either black or white in this world, eh?

Though I am disappointed that nuance has become as much a four letter word for some rhetorical minded Dems as it always has been for the Tighties.



-Go home and bake some cookies, Hillary

Ah, first immigrant bashing, now chauvinism.

Adding to your repertoire, eh, Chris?

How long did you say you have been a Dem?

New NEWSWEEK poll: Hillary took the heat at Democratic debate and emerged undamaged.


A little premature don''t you think Corky?

I think it will take about another week of negaitve ads and media stories about Hillary's double-talk and victimhood before it has any real impact.

Hillary has been injured -- whether or not the injury is fatal remains to be seen.


Bowas prognosticates in the face of the numbers.

How remarkable.


You should be concentrating on how Mittsy is handing your beloved Rudolpho his ass in Iowa and NH.

You should be concentrating on how Mittsy is handing your beloved Rudolpho his ass in Iowa and NH.

LOL

Rudy is averaging a 13+ point lead in National polls.

Let Mitt, Thompson and Huckabee fight it out for Iowa, a 2nd place finish is OK for Rudy in NH.

As long as Rudy wins (or comes in a very close 2nd) in South Carolina, he will wrap up the nomination on February 5th. The race in SC is a statistical dead heat right now between Rudy, Romney and Thompson
www.realclearpolitics.com

If he doesn't win SC, then I think the nomination could be a tossup between Rudy and the winner(s) of Iowa, NH and SC.

Hillary's succession to the Presidency is not a done deal. If a muff diver allegation gets legs, she may have a great deal of difficulty winning anyplace but San Francisco and West Los Angeles.

But then, I wonder if there is a truce between homosexual men and lesbians? Some of you are possibly tuned into "the scene." Is there a truce? Is there reciprocal support?

"muff diver allegation"

Didn't help Ann Richards.
Typisch Rovian tactic.

Hil Survives Gang Bang

It takes a village........

It takes a village........

Posted by cookfish

ff

Cookfish that is disgusting. I may be a sick fuck I would NEVER touch Hillary even if She was the last Human on the face of this earth. As BLT always says Yuk Yuk Yuk

Larry Mohr


The local peanut gallery joins the pile on, I see.

I just hope she hasn't alienated the dog lovers vote.


The Politics of Pile On

youtube.com


Maher: Dems can't get caught 'checking out [Clinton's ass]'

"New rule," Maher said while projecting a picture of Barack Obama staring at the backside of Hillary Clinton, "when you're supposed to be taking off the gloves, and really letting your opponent have it, don't get caught check out her ass."

Vid

rawstory.com

What does not kill you makes you stronger.




Posted by Corky at 2007-11-03 01:35 PM



They would have had to use a wooden stake.

Whhhhaaaaaaaa, the moderator asked me politically incorrect question and made me answer it truthfully on stage CCHRIS


She did not answer the questions on stage...she tap danced.

November 04, 2007
Feminist Kate Michelman Slams Hillary For Playing Girly-Girl Card
A prominent feminist, allied with the presidential campaign of former Sen. John Edwards, accused Democratic front-runner Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday of "disingenuously playing the victim card" by infusing her campaign with messages about gender.

"When unchallenged, in a comfortable, controlled situation, Sen. Clinton embraces her political elevation into the 'boys club,' " Kate Michelman, the former president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, wrote in a posting on a blog of the liberal group Open Left.

"But when she's challenged, when legitimate questions are asked, questions she should be prepared to answer and discuss, she is just as quick to raise the white flag and look for a change in the rules," Michelman said. "It's trying to have it both ways."

It's in poor taste to describe Clinton being criticized in a debate as a "gang bang." The chances I might cast a vote for her drop a little more every time her supporters play the poor-woman against the big mean men card. Gender either doesn't matter in this election or it does.


Poor taste on the DR?

An over the top headline here?

Is there gambling in the back room, too?


Of course gender matters.

Glass ceilings matter. Historical precidents matter.

The pile-on was expected and she held up against it better than most would have, and without complaint.

The fact is that women watching the debate felt uncomfortable watching. Same way they feel uncomfortable alone in a room full of men who ignore them.

This Clinton campaign is breaking new ground in gender related issues just by it's existance. There will be bumps along the way.

The first time she sniffles looking for sympathy like she is going to break down and cry because of the nasty men, let me know.

As she has apparently gotten a tick up in the polls after the debate ( a thread that deserves promotion btw!) and considering that a majority of women say they will vote for her, including 20 percent of Republican women I might add, gender will be a very important part of this race.


Corky, don't ever quit your job to be a salesman, cause noone is buying what you're selling here. What a clown.


And another thing.... (lol!)


Her position on Spitzer's policy was, however nuanced, a very legitimate one, if awkwardly stated. She was correct also about the National Archives.

What cheapens the discourse is the Edwards Obama insinuations of dishonesty, which was enough to make a decent person like Bill Richardson, who knows her better than most, become disgusted and speak out when he didn't have to.


Prescient political point, W worshipper.

I don't know what we would do without your insightful contributions to the discussion.

"...which was enough to make a decent person like Bill Richardson, who knows her better than most, become disgusted and speak out when he didn't have to."

Hmmmm...Vice President Bill Richardson...has a ring to it, don'tcha think? I wonder if she's busy printing up the Posters, CLINTON/RICHARDSON 2008?

I don't know what we would do without your insightful contributions to the discussion.

Posted by Corky

What's the matter little man? Upset that even RCADE called you out for the shill that you are?



Jest,

As a bright political watcher like you would know, Bill will be the next Senator from New Mexico.

"At one minute the strong woman ready to lead, the next, she's the woman under attack, disingenuously playing the victim card as a means of trying to avoid giving honest, direct answers to legitimate questions," Michelman wrote of Clinton.

"It is not presidential," Michelman said, adding that women "know better than to use our gender as a shield when the questions get too hot."

www.latimes.com

What's the matter little man?

Wis...Corky is a chick.

Wis...Corky is a chick.

Posted by kerrin57

No freaking way....

Not just that WIS...I have heard various sources talk about this Hil campaign strategy. They recruit these people and assign them to post on blogs for her campaign. To promote her and disparage the other dems. Go back...read the rhetoric and consider the phraseology....Corky is a Clinton Blogger Chick.

Corky is a Clinton Blogger Chick.

Posted by kerrin57

My poor desk....coffee all over, tears running down my face....Oh God...Help me!

The fact is that women watching the debate felt uncomfortable watching. Same way they feel uncomfortable alone in a room full of men who ignore them.

I mean this respectfully, Corky, but you have absolutely no idea how bad this kind of rhetoric plays with me -- and I suspect with other Democrats and leaners.

Clinton was criticized in the debate last week because she's the frontrunner, not because she's a woman.

For every woman who might be won over by this kind of "get back at the men who ignore you" gambit, she's going to alienate men and women who don't want to play gender politics with the Oval Office.

Rogers,

She has said the reason she was piled on was because she is the frontrunner, not because she is a woman.

If there is a gender card being played at all, it is not particulary overt in my opinion.

I find the following a fair analysis from a source that generally supports Obama. Do you agree?


"Did Hillary "Play The Gender Card"?
By Greg Sargent - November 2, 2007, 3:51PM

Did she or didn't she?

The debate is raging away on this question today. Ezra Klein says no. Atrios agrees, and adds that Hillary was right to describe the political world and its domination by Russert and company as a "boy's club." Garance Franke-Ruta agrees, suggesting more female moderators at debates such as the one last Wednesday.

The New York Times and Washington Post political blogs are both all over this, too.

Today Obama strongly suggested, without quite saying outright, that Hillary was claiming that her rivals were attacking her because she's a woman. "I didn't come out and say: `Look, I'm being hit on because I look different from the rest of the folks on the stage,'" Obama said.

But Hillary herself says she isn't playing the "gender card," saying today in New Hampshire: "I don't think they're piling on because I'm a woman. I think they're piling on because I'm winning."

So what really happened here, anyway?

After the debate, Hillary's campaign sent out an email describing her as "one tough woman" and deriding the nature of the "piling on" that had ensued. And the next day, AFSCME president Gerald McEntee endorsed Hillary with remarks that almost certainly had plenty of input from the Hillary campaign: "Six guys against Hillary. I'd call that a fair fight. This is one strong woman."

So just after the debate the campaign didn't argue that she was being attacked because she's a woman. But the campaign clearly did try to strongly emphasize the gender picture here.

The campaign also produced this video, called "the politics of pile-on," which featured all her opponents attacking her. This vid didn't reference the fact that her opponents were all men, or reference her gender, however. It just so happens that her opponents are all men, so this one doesn't tell us anything, accept that the campaign wanted to emphasize that her opponents were attacking her.

Hillary pollster Mark Penn subsequently said in a conference call that the image of six men beating up on Hillary would play well with female voters. And anonymous Clinton advisers told the Associated Press that "there is a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of gathering against her." Though one should approach anonymous stuff with caution, this doesn't seem especially difficult to believe.

Yesterday Hillary said during a speech that her all-girls-school alma mater "prepared me compete in the all boys' club of presidential politics." Here again, she just didn't say that the reason she was being attacked was that she's a woman. But she did, clearly, want to draw attention to the gender component here in a way that would appeal to women. And, of course, Hillary is right on this: Politics here is something of a boy's club. So Hillary said something that is true and something likely to accomplish her obvious political goal of winning over more women.

con't

Bottom line: As best as we can determine, Hillary never explicitly made the accusation that the men were piling up on her because she's a woman. But you'd have to be very credulous indeed not to believe that the campaign is explicitly trying to emphasize, for various political reasons, the fact that she's a woman getting hammered by a bunch of men. I don't know if that constitutes "playing the gender card" or not -- the exact meaning of the term is unclear, at least to me -- but that's obviously what's going on.

And by the way, that's what campaigns do: They strategize and try to win elections, something that by nature is political. Camp Hillary isn't "hiding behind her gender." But the spirit of at least some of what Obama is saying is partly right: Camp Hillary has in fact aggressively emphasized the gender dimension to all this, because there's a fair amount of truth to it, yes, but also because they are convinced it will help her politically.

tpmelectioncentral.com


Also, it is worthy of note that the debate itself, no matter one's perspective on gender issues, apparently did not help Obama, but seems to have helped Clinton instead.

www.drudge.com


- you have absolutely no idea how bad this kind of rhetoric plays with me

- "get back at the men who ignore you" gambit

Did you forget your anniversary again?


;^D

"The fact is that women watching the debate felt uncomfortable watching. Same way they feel uncomfortable alone in a room full of men who ignore them."


WIS...does that sound like any guys you know...even the ones in touch with their feminine side?

WIS...does that sound like any guys you know...even the ones in touch with their feminine side?


Posted by kerrin57

Now that you mention it....
I haven't had a laughing jag last this long since I was a kid. No wonder a few of my posts got flagged.



Here is another take from the NY Times.

You may want to reserve your animosity for Geraldine Ferraro.

www.nytimes.com


Then, there is this.

"The last time the terms 'gender' and 'women' were heard this much in presidential politics was when Geraldine Ferraro ran for Vice President in 1984. Then, as now, many men, not all, fell into wild spasmodic fits on account of 'the gender card.' After all these years, we finally get one more female candidate. Whoopee!

If Hillary loses, I suppose we'll just have to wait another 23 years. But let's not mention it, okay? Else we'll be "anti-male." And we'll never get a date!

Every presidential race in this nation's male-dominated history has played the gender card. The founding fathers played the gender card. The U.S. Constitution plays the gender card. After all these years we can't even get equality written into that hallowed male-authored document.

And Hillary Clinton is playing the gender card? Give me a break. What they mean to say is: A woman has a chance of becoming the president of this cowboy country! Somebody stop her!"

guerillawomentn.blogspot.com

Women apparently have stronger feelings on this issue than many men may think they do.




Boys like Wissy and Kerrin excepted, of course.

Boys like Wissy and Kerrin excepted, of course.



Posted by Corky


BWAHAHAHAHAH.
Kerrin, thanks for the enlightenment. You made my day!

"in a room full of men who ignore them."

WIS... When was the last time you saw a room full of guys ignore a womans presence. Unless she is over 40 and a bowser.

Corky...I am a woman. That is why I tripped to the fact that you are.


Corky...I am a woman. That is why I tripped to the fact that you are.

Posted by kerrin57

Is this comon knowledge on the DR? I could have sworn I posted to Corky a few times with a he/she because I wasn't sure.

I make reference to my being a woman all the time. I have no reason to be ambiguous.
Corky does not want people to know she is a Clinton Blogger Chick. I am very serious...they are recruited to blog for Hillary.

Corky does not want people to know she is a Clinton Blogger Chick. I am very serious...they are recruited to blog for Hillary.

Posted by kerrin57

Do you think TonyRoma knows?

No , WIS. I have been intrigued by the TR/Corky slug fest . As I kept reading the Corkster I realized that the terms, perspective and phraseology was that of a female.



The only thing you tripped over are your sagging boobs.

Corky, why are you being so secretive? I for one wouldn't think any less of you than I already do.

Actually Cork...they are still pretty bodacious!

"The only thing you tripped over are your sagging boobs."

With that comment I would definitely say female or queer as a nine bob note.

-Actually Cork...they are still pretty bodacious!



Prove it!



Amazing how PC one has to be around here to avoid juvenile hazing.


With that comment I would definitely say female or queer as a nine bob note.


Posted by Litlebritdifrnt

Call it in the air....Heads or tails?

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