Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, October 31, 2007

Rogers Cadenhead: I caught the last 90 minutes of the Democratic presidential debate at Drexel University Tuesday night, which told me that Hillary Clinton thinks she can win the nomination without telling anyone what she'll do if elected.

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This is her strategy, clearly.

The "safe" road.

(Does she have an NY Drivers License???)

The Republicans have a formidable spin machine...

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So does Hillary. It's Corky.

Clinton thinks she can win the nomination without telling anyone what she'll do if elected

She will, she's been annointed by the Democrat money establishment. And then after the general election we'll have the next Republican president.

Shhh.... she is working out a safe strategy to elect another Republican President.

i like biden as well. he and mcain (imho) are the only two straightforward people running.

Rcade--she has been doing this since her election to the Senate.

What is more inane is that she is running on her record as First Lady--but guess what?

She won't release any records of the WH during her time as First Lady. How convenient.

We would all learn what some folks know already--she is a witch with a "B". Zero temperament, zero experience and should not be anywhere near the Oval office.

She has no business running for President--she has zilch experience--not even running a business--making payroll--etc.

And the press has been giving her a pass because they (MSM) is in the bag for her to win the nomination.

Unless the rest of the candidates start really going after her to at least pretend she can be honest--you are looking at the Dem Nominee.

She has so many ideas--the problem is --is that the country can't afford them. She is a socialist and wants to tax the hell out of everyone--and we'll stay in Iraq!

Murphy

RCADE - Good headline! She's a "skirt."

She may be a little vague about what she will do if elected but compared to the guy who promised no "nation building" I think she is pretty clear.
I would happily elect any of the Democratic candidates over any of teh Republican candidates.
In my opinion "electability" ought to be our primary consideration at this point. Some claim Hillary is not electable but are any of the others any more electable than she is?

"In my opinion "electability" ought to be our primary consideration at this point." Danni

Brings back memories of last time... when Kerry garnered support for the same reason. Not only wasn't that tact successful, but it also dismayed plenty of voters who sought the fresh ideas of a non-establishment person like Dean (or today's Obama). It was hard to get excited about Kerry... just like it was difficult for me to get excited about Dole back in the 90's.

What is it about her (or the myriad of other Dem candidates who don't advocate an Iraq pull out) that puts her above all others?

What is it about her (or the myriad of other Dem candidates who don't advocate an Iraq pull out) that puts her above all others?

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Her last name.

In my opinion "electability" ought to be our primary consideration at this point.

We went down that road last time with Kerry. I'd rather see Democrats pick the candidate they believe in, not the one they believe will win.

I can't WAIT to see her go up against rudy or mitt... either one of them will wipe the stage with her!


I would happily elect any of the Democratic candidates over any of teh Republican candidates.


Yes danni, you don't need to tell us.

We know that, given the opportunity, you will toe the line, preach the word and thump the party bible. Your partisanship is glaringly obvious, even to the most obtuse.

Meanwhile, the rest of us normal americans just want a leader who will lead. We'd like that leadership to be in a positive direction. Hillary, a positive direction, is not.


i like biden as well. he and mcain (imho) are the only two straightforward people running.


McCain is straight-forward? That's fucking funny.

Listen to Rudy Giuliani lately and then tell me you don't think Dems need to think electability.
Chris Dodd said it well last night. We need a Democratic President badly.
MJP yeah Rudy really mopped up the floor with Hillary when she kicked his ass in the Senate election. Hillary is a very smart woman and debates extremely well. Rudy isn't really being challenged on all his b.s. by the other Republicans.

"she has zilch experience--not even running a business--making payroll--etc.

Posted by MURPHY at 2007-10-31 03:46 PM"

I always laugh when I see someone make a point like this. As if Boy George is in the Oval Office, signing checks, worried about payroll this month.

I'm registering as a democrat and will cast my vote for Hillary in the primary.

It's my civic duty to help ensure this Marxist wench takes a brutal beating in the 08 general election in order that she never again have the chance to be CIC of the USA.





Duncan Hunter will be the next President of the USA.

It seems contrary to logic, but I think the dems have only a slim chance of winning 08.

Once the repub machine shifts gears, I'm not sure the dems are armed well enough to counter the right-wing disinformation machine.

Additionally, they seem to be a party without a rudder, reacting to issues as opposed to presenting a clear vision of a democratic u.s.a.

It will be pretty easy for the repubs to blame the last 8 years on a "mistake", on a fake-conservative, and their grass-root supporters are foolish enough to believe the spin. Repubs will eat their own (like any politician) to gain power.

In any case, not to seem too extreme, but IMHO, both parties are different masks of the same beast. Interchangeable depending on the electorate's mood, but essentially serving the same masters. It's a self-serving, self-preserving system and the puppet's interest in the average citizen ends the day of coronation.

"Duncan Hunter will be the next President of the USA.

Posted by Lou_Dobbs at 2007-10-31 04:32 PM"

I want some of what you're smokin.

PANCHOVILLA... "In any case, not to seem too extreme, but IMHO, both parties are different masks of the same beast. Interchangeable depending on the electorate's mood, but essentially serving the same masters. It's a self-serving, self-preserving system and the puppet's interest in the average citizen ends the day of coronation."

Preaching to the choir here...

Ron Paul '08 > no corporate owners...

Some claim Hillary is not electable but are any of the others any more electable than she is?

Posted by danni at 2007-10-31 03:58 PM | Reply


John Edwards -- if the MSM would stop crowning Hillary the Queen before the election has even been held.

Hillary is a pure globalist (like her hubby Bill and Bushes 41 and 43) -- they consider themselves not as Americans but as "citizens of the world" unlike Edwards who considers himself to be a U.S. citizen.

Can't this country elect ANYONE BESIDES ANOTHBER BUSH OR CLINTON!!!

MJP yeah Rudy really mopped up the floor with Hillary when she kicked his ass in the Senate election. Hillary is a very smart woman and debates extremely well. Rudy isn't really being challenged on all his b.s. by the other Republicans.

Posted by danni


Didn't Rudy drop out of that Senate race because he had prostate cancer?

Her attitude that she can only answer questions that she thinks are "relevant" really pisses me off. Obama started that in the first Dem debate by saying he won't answer a question about Iraq because it dealt in too many hypotheticals, and Hillary took it and ran with it.

Someone needs to give her a reality check and let her know that she should be answering every question like the other candidates have to, instead of all this righteous indignation she uses to decide if a question is a good one or not.

Monte--

At least Bush was a Governor--elected twice in Texas--so yeah he had experience.

The only one like that is Richardson--but being governor of the 49th ranked state in everything--isn't much to brag about. But at least he's run a State.

Rudy dropped out of the Senate race--good grief Danni---

Truth be told--Obama is the future of the Dem party--I would vote for him before Hillary--of course I would never vote for Hillary in the first place--

He could really make his mark and turn heads if he ran for the Governor of Illinois--and he turned the state around--it is plagued with problems and corruption.

And Kerry did garner a heckava lota votes in 2004. The Repub machine just got more folks to vote their way.

By the time of the general election--folks will be so sick of Clinton--they will vote whoever is the Repub candidate. I think the country is sick of BCBC syndrome...

I like Duncan a lot. He would be great as VP or Huckabee. This is pretty much between Rudy and Mitt.

Murphy


Murphy

Hillary is the only Democratic candidate running, like it or lump it, the rest don't want an invitation to Fort Marcy Park. The real question is it Clinton/Soros or is it Soros/Clinton?

Murph - got any idea what's required of the Gov of Texas? It's a figurehead position, other than okaying death sentences. I must admit, George was very efficient with that task - almost like he didn't give it much thought, just signed away. He may have also cut a few ribbons, and dined with a few lesser dignitaries. But he didn't budget, "meet payroll," or make any other important decisions.

SO who ran the state and the budget and make sure the lights stay on?

So Arnie does none of that either--or Richardson? or Mitt? or Rudy for the city of NY?

They are all figureheads?

Murphy

Murphy

How come people are so flipping blind that they can't see that the republicans and democrats are working together?
It's not even a 2 party system anymore!

From The Sunday TimesOctober 7, 2007

George Bush smooths path for Hillary

"Perle believes that Clinton might be prepared to order military strikes against Iran"
www.timesonline.co.uk

Hillary prods Bush to go after Iran

In her view and that of 75 other members of the U.S. Senate President Bush hasn't been aggressive or hasty enough in designating a large part of the Iranian military, the Revolutionary Guards, as an international terrorist organization.

The Senate resolution, approved on Sept. 26, recounts allegations that elements of Iran's Revolutionary Guards have supplied Iraqi Shia fighters with "explosively formed penetrator" bombs that have shattered U.S. armored vehicles and killed American troops.

In response, the Senate resolution calls on President Bush to list the Revolutionary Guards as "specially designated global terrorists." In opposing the resolution, Sen. James Webb, D-Virginia, warned that the move could be tantamount to a declaration of war.
www.aljazeera.com

"Obama didn't do anything last night to show he's capable of defeating Clinton or will ever aggressively make the case against her.

His kinder, gentler approach to politics and soft platitudes about turning the page won't fly in the general election.

The Republicans have a formidable spin machine ready to take down the Democratic nominee. Nothing I've seen thus far suggests that Obama can handle it."

That being true, your other choice is.....?


It is a sad, but true political reality that if one does something like, oh, I don't know, release all the private correspondence between themselves and their husband while they were in the WH, for instance, (even though the vast majority of those docs, millions of them, are already available) that regardless of it's nature there will be things there that could be used to help keep the GOP in power.

Or, if one were to really get crazy and take as their own position an unlikely solution on immigration like giving illegals DL's, as Obama did, that that too could be just the thing to keep the Dems out of office again.

As you noted in your article, Hil stood up to the bashing. She also did not give black and white answers in grey areas to gotcha questions.

The pols call this running a general election campaign in a primary. If one can do it successfully, if one can stay in the middle of the road without alienating Indies and, yes, even a few Republicans, one has a better chance of winning the general election.

Now, as a kid I cried when they shot down Bobby Kennedy. I voted for McGovern the first time I could vote. I caucused for Jesse Jackson in Austin.

I thought Bubba was too moderate.

But all this complete crapola I hear about Hillary being some NeoCon in Dems clothing is absurd on the face of it.

Yeah, I wish she could be more open about her policies and her positions, maybe she does too. If she were, I think she would be too lefty to be elected.

Considering the damage GW has done, and the potential of our first real Little Caesar in Rudy, I have no problem at all with her hedging her bets in a Dem primary for what I think will be the benefit of us all.

There was a time when Dems understood that the political opponent is the other Party, not those in our own Party. The 11th Commandment seems to be of no effect now.

And I think some of the crybabies who are afraid that their "perfect candidate" won't be the one chosen and are willing to take their ball and go home if they are not chosen, are more interested in being right about their candidate than being in a position to make America a better place.

Present company excepted, of course.

As I have often said, I prefer Dennis the K's policies, but he is unelectable.

I liked Obama a lot, but as you say, he hasn't lived up to his potential and as I have said, he is a promising rookie.

But I agreee wiht you that Rudy or Mitt would take the guy apart in a debate.

Some of you may think that Hillary is bitch, but what I am saying is that that is OK, she is our bitch and she will cut the Repube candidate to shreads.

con't

con't

I find it quite amusing now, when I hear some libs say, well she is startin to say the right things.

Hell boys, she was saying those lefty things 15 years ago. I just think that being senator hasn't turned her into the jackal some of you think it has.

It has given her perspective on what can be accomplished in this country, and what can be accomplished requires Republican votes whether you like it or not.

The idealism of my youth, and hers I suspect, is not vanished, it is become more practical in it's need to accomplish progressive goals even at the cost of some compromise.

Otherwise, we will have beautiful ideals for America that never see fruitiion.

spellink cheeker punked out

Bullshit!
She's a communist,Globalist, Prowar Neocon.
If she is elected we will probably have another terror attack in the US, go into martial law, invade Iran, and end up in WW3.

Hillary Clinton Booed at AFL-CIO Forum

www.youtube.com

If hillary gets elected as the Democratic runner, the GOP stand a great chance at winning the election.

The GOP will get my vote and I know there are millions out there just like me.

Hillary is the only Democratic candidate running, like it or lump it, the rest don't want an invitation to Fort Marcy Park. The real question is it Clinton/Soros or is it Soros/Clinton?

Posted by Burt at 2007-10-31 05:40 PM

Burt, I may be wrong but I dont believe that Soros can run for VP. The V.P. has a good chance of having to fill the roll of President and the President must be an American born citizen.

Sick-
I see your sarcasm meter's batteries must be dead.

"The GOP will get my vote and I know there are millions out there just like me.

Posted by moneywar at 2007-10-31 06:44 PM"

Why? What has the GOP done to earn your vote?

It's been a long day, I guess I just didnt pick up on that.

"SO who ran the state and the budget and make sure the lights stay on?

So Arnie does none of that either--or Richardson? or Mitt? or Rudy for the city of NY?

They are all figureheads?

Posted by MURPHY at 2007-10-31 06:09 PM"

If memory serves, it is the Lieutenant Gov in Texas who runs most aspects of the gov't there. Other states have different forms of gov't, where the Gov runs things and the Lieutenant Gov is just there in case the Gov chokes on a pretzel or something. In both Calif and Ore, the Gov is the big cheese. I don't know about NY or Mass, but I suspect they are more like Calif than Texas.

A picture is worth ... d.yimg.com


How come people are so flipping blind that they can't see that the republicans and democrats are working together?


Well Jeff, that's because most of the intelligent people here are dumber than a box of hammers.

They're too busy spouting the line of the candidate they've chosen to align themselves with.

Take Bowa. The guy is nuts for Rudy.

On the other hand, we have Corky who is just absolutly ga-ga over Hillary.

If I were a betting man, I'd put a 10 spot on both of them being paid shills for their respective candidate. Neither is willing to use logic or reason concerning their candidate, but they sure do have the talking points down.

"If hillary gets elected as the Democratic runner, the GOP stand a great chance at winning the election."

I hear this all the time but none of the other candidates would do nearly as well as Hillary in the general election. Because of her moderate stance on most issues many Republicans will vote for her, neither Edwards nor Obama will have that advantage. Like it or not Hillary Clinton is the Democrats best chance in 2008.

""On the other hand, we have Corky who is just absolutly ga-ga over Hillary.""

Corky even states up the thread that he prefers Kucinich but will settle for Hillary because she can win the election. We live in a country with a two party system which many whine about but which is still a reality. One of those two parties will elect the next president. YOu can choose either to have one that represents your views generally and have a chance to win or have a candidate that represents your views exactly and very likely lose. Hillary is a moderate and represents a broader spectrum of views than any other of the candidates. That is why she can win the election and the others just can't.

That being true, your other choice is...

If I have to choose one of the three "frontrunners" (hate the designation), I'm leaning Edwards. Otherwise, I'd vote Biden.

But last night was the first time I took a long hard look at these candidates. I need to gather more information.

Glad to see that the crew here are still being lead around by the nose by the MSM.
No changes there.
Did any of you actually watch and LISTEN to the whole debate last night?
Judging by the comments here, not too many did.
I listened and found Obama to be just as vapid as ever. He is one of my Senators, whenever he actually shows up in the Senate to do the job he was elected to do. He has missed too many critical votes in his persuit of the gold ring of the Presidency. I judge him based upon his actual votes or lack thereof and he comes up as a loser.
Edwards? This guy doesn't even have the
b@lls to fight his own fights. He has his wife fight for him. Do I want another Nancy Reagan shadow Presidency? No thanks.
A couple of the others have some good ideas and would make pretty good Presidents but are unelectable because they have been in the Senate too long and that will hurt them.

Hillary, on the other hand, has been a Senator for 7 years, not long enough to get the negative taint that the others have.
She is hated because of her husband BUT remember that he was elected and then re-elected against a Republican tidal wave. So electability is there and she has the guts to stand up to the gangbang that they tried on her last night without breaking. That is what will be needed to run against Fruity Rudy, Flip-flop Mitt or Old Folks Home Freddy. She will clean any of their clocks for them if they try to attack her and will gain voters in the process.
Is she my first choice for President? No. But she is the only Democrat that can get elected President right now.
A number of her current opponents will strenghten the ticket as Vice President and once elected, several will make good Cabinet members as well. This will make for a really strong re-election team in 2012 as well.
Face it, no matter who is elected President they will have to have a lot of strength to straighten out the mess that Bush will be leaving for them to fix.
As to the Driver's License "controversy", there was none if anyone actually listened to what her actual answers were and not to interpretations made by MSM or opposing candidates.
This is another place where Obama and Edwards damaged thenselves since there was nothing at all confusing about her responses. If they couldn't understand what she said, it just proved how inept they really are and incapable of dealing with world leaders who will have far more convoluted explanations than she has given.
As to releasing her WH correspondence, what for? That would be just giving both her Dem opponents and her ultimate Rep opponent ammo to shot her down. There is NO legal obligation for her to release those letters, unlike the correspondence that a judge has ORDERED VP Cheney to release and he has refused to do so.
THAT is contempt of court, unlike her forestalling arming of her opponents without having a legal obligation to do so.
I don't see Edwards rushing to disclose his Hedge Fund transactions or the eviction notices companies he is a major stock holder in have sent to Katrina victims.
I don't see Obama rushing to release any of his correspondence either.
Why should she if they don't have to and won't?
To do so is political sucide even if there is nothing sinister to be found in them. Her opponents will twist her words just as they twisted her responses to last night's questons.

"As to the Driver's License "controversy", there was none if anyone actually listened to what her actual answers were and not to interpretations made by MSM or opposing candidates." THE

I know I'm just a neo-con rube, but I couldn't figure out what she meant. Could you? What was her answer?

if hillary, obama or edwards are elected the holocaust against unborn children will continue in this country :~( Think hard about the choice you make in 2008!!

Hillary is a moderate.....

Posted by danni at 2007-10-31 08:10 PM

Are you trying to be funny? She is no moderate, she is as liberal as they come. She has to mask her liberalism in order to get elected. I see she has fooled you though.

Plus, if she learned anything from her husband, it was to say whatever to get elected, then once elected, forget you ever said it. Do any of you remember Bill's promises of a middle class tax cut?

"The usual flood of editorials and blog posts after a major presidential debate were particularly harsh on Hillary Clinton this morning following Tuesday night's Democratic debate at Drexel University.

Opinion leaders said her performance reinforced negative stereotypes that Clinton is shrill, calculating and evasive.

Here's a round up of what some of those opinion leaders are saying:

Mark Halperin, Time Magazine - [She] fell off the tough-shrill balance beam onto the "shrill" side -- with a THUD. More defensive than usual, and at times too political and too hot tempered. Borderline disastrous moment at the end when she gave an equivocal answer about drivers licenses for illegal immigrants in New York; it opened the door for her opponents to pounce by turning it into a character issue -- and pounce they did. The failure of her performance was cumulative, however, so only those watching the whole debate would see how weak her evening was. If she loses the nomination, tonight will go down in history as the first step to her defeat -- no fatal "Dean Scream" catastrophe, but far from her finest moment, to say the least.

Nedra Pickler, Associated Press -Gone was the Clinton who laughed off their answers and joked about how she's lucky to be getting so much attention from all these men at her age. Clinton clearly had decided she must defend herself from rivals who are right on her heels in the leadoff voting state of Iowa and who pose a real threat to her winning the Democratic nomination. Still, she continued her strategy of avoiding direct answers to questions: She wouldn't say how she would address Social Security; she declined to pledge whether she would stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, or say whether she supports giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrant. Instead she tried to tried to turn every issue into an argument against President Bush. She said Bush's name 25 times, more than all six of her rivals combined.

David Yepsen, Des Moines Register - Near the end of the event, she stumbled on a simple question of whether she supported or opposed a plan by New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer to give drivers' licenses to undocumented immigrants. Clinton danced around the question, clearly didn't answer it, and is now likely to see clips of that meandering response show up in attack ads for the rest of the 2008 race. Clinton's performance will do little to excite her supporters and nothing to quiet the reservations many Democrats have about the senator from New York.

Charles Hurt, New York Post - As the night went on, it was John Edwards who made the strongest case for Democrats who are nearly as sick of the Clinton dynasty, with all its triangulating, as they are of the war and the Bushes. In the end, the most damage was inflicted by Clinton on herself. She tied herself up in knots - in a way her opponents couldn't - with her non-answer about whether she favors giving driver's license to illegal aliens. She must be the only New Yorker without an opinion on the plan (other than her colleague, Sen. Chuck Schumer). Her evasiveness on the most talked-about issue in the state reminded everyone of the worst of husband Bill and what could be in store if another Clinton makes it to the White House.

Roger Simon, Politico - In a debate against six Democratic opponents at Drexel University here Tuesday, Clinton gave the worst performance of her entire campaign. It was not just that her answer about whether illegal immigrants should be issued drivers' licenses was at best incomprehensible and at worst misleading. It was that for two hours she dodged and weaved, parsed and stonewalled."
www.townhall.com

Didn't Rudy drop out of that Senate race because he had prostate cancer?


Posted by Made_in_USA

Danni is getting a reputation of posting facts that simply aren't true.

want to know which candidate to whom you're most suited?

TAKE THE TEST

mine candidate was hunter at 88%. i'd not even been following him or know much about him - sometimes it pays to investigate these important matters.

CANDIDATES ON THE ISSUES

another very good source of information.

"She said Bush's name 25 times, more than all six of her rivals combined."

She must be stuck in a time warp believing she's running against a George Bush similar to her husband's first campaign.

Nanc, I've taken that test, and it was a first place tie between Hunter and Huckabee. Clinton and Obama finished in a tie for last.

"The Politics Of Pile-On

What happens when the "politics of pile-on" replaces the "politics of hope?"

Hillary comes out on top.

Despite the best efforts of her six fellow candidates to trip her up, Senator Clinton stood strong and made her case on critical issues like Iran, Iraq and Social Security. She kept her focus on the real target in this election: Republicans and the Bush Administration. Instead of going after the other Democrats, Hillary made the argument for why change is needed and why she has the strength and experience to lead the Democratic Party in its efforts to make that change happen.

Sadly, Senator Obama caved to the pressure of the pundits and fundraisers who demanded that he go negative and abandoned the "politics of hope" message that sparked so much interest in him early in the campaign. Meanwhile, Senator Edwards doubled down in his effort to become the guy best known for attacking other Democrats. Not to be outdone, the rest of the pack followed suit and piled on in the hope that they'd get some media attention.

But with each attack, Senators Obama and Edwards undermined the central premises of their own candidacies. The sunny speeches and rosy rhetoric that once characterized their remarks has now been replaced by the kinds of jabs one typically sees from candidates desperate to gain traction in the polls.

The American people are looking for a President who can stand strong and come out ahead under any circumstances.

Last night, once again, that person was Hillary Clinton.

One strong woman."

I just knew you would want to hear from the Clinton Campaign.

- I'm leaning Edwards.

Edwards is the guy who has been coming up with the "big ideas" campaign where I thought it would be Obama to do that.

I guess the fact that he is also lacking much in the way of experience wouldn't matter if he runs against Rudy , though, eh?

But I think it may well be Mitt he runs against.

Think of it, the Multi-Millionaires Presidential Auction.

From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
*** Hillary's Philly aftermath: A little less than 48 hours after the Philly Phracas, the Clinton campaign is in the midst of giving up denying they lost the debate. Instead, they're trying to define how they lost. Strategy One: blame the media. She's the front-runner, everyone saw her as the target, and the campaign appears intent on crediting the moderators for her problems -- since it's easier to blame the media (a trick usually reserved for the Republican side) than see one of her opponents get any credit. Indeed, Mark Penn yesterday held a conference call with key campaign fundraisers and repeatedly talked about the moderators. Our response: what part of front-runner doesn't the campaign understand? We are two months and two days from the first round of voting, the tests are supposed to get harder -- not easier.


firstread.msnbc.msn.com


Murph - got any idea what's required of the Gov of Texas? It's a figurehead position, other than okaying death sentences. I must admit, George was very efficient with that task - almost like he didn't give it much thought, just signed away. He may have also cut a few ribbons, and dined with a few lesser dignitaries. But he didn't budget, "meet payroll," or make any other important decisions.

Posted by mOntecOre at 2007


oh please........while it is true that in texas the governors office is weaker in some areas than others but it remains the same....

the last senator to be elected was JFK........and there have been several running since......

I didnt see the debate but I saw a review of it on cspan.........and she got her ass grilled by almost all of them except for richardson.....and as the interviewee said later.....he was campaigning for the VP spot......and I think the others know that the hillary horse has left the paddock and it will be a one horse race to the nomination UNLESS.....they begin to point out some of the things we are talking about........I mean......if they dont beat her FIRST....whats the point.

and she has lied on several issues.....tuesday night she said she would stop the war and get the troops out........how long ago was it that she said that she COULDNT PROMISE that they would all come out as soon as she was elected???

well which is it bitch!!!!!!!!!!!!!


or is that just a FEMALE THING.....where they can just change thier minds like that.....

Kinda refreshing to see libs on here see Billary for who she really is, a no one. A stupid politician who had to move out of state to get elected to any office. How sad is that?

Seems to me like if she is the nominee, which will probably happen, you will see a repub in the whitehouse next election. Many of my friends are Dems (i live in MD and are surrounded by them) and NONE of them like Hillary. Not a single one.

i'm in arkansas and they have NO love of her here either...

Hillary is a moderate and represents a broader spectrum of views than any other of the candidates. That is why she can win the election and the others just can't.

Posted by danni at 2007-10-31 08:10 PM

Danni, you were making sense up until this Hillary is a moderate thing.

What part of Hillary leads you to believe that she is moderate in any way?



Perhaps you people need to get out more, eh?

www.drudge.com

The Clintons are demonstrably more Conservative than the Bush's. But they have sold their souls to the same ruling class as the Bushies. Can't be President otherwise. Without ruling class support, you cannot have enough impact on TV to manufacture American Opinion through repetition. Facts don't matter, just financial clout. Without $500 million, access is denied.

""The Clintons are demonstrably more Conservative than the Bush's.""

Huh????
I agree with much of your post but sorry the Clintons are simply not more conservative than the Bush family. On health care alone that is pretty obvious.

I do know one thing, if the other Democrats got her that flustered, just think what the Republicans are going to do to her in the general election. They havenet even touched the White Water scandal. Hillary has so much dirt on her that so far is untouchable to the Dems.

If she does win the nomination, it will be entertaining to see her implode.

Posted by Burt at 2007-10-31 05:40 PM


Hillary is the only Democratic candidate running, like it or lump it, the rest don't want an invitation to Fort Marcy Park. The real question is it Clinton/Soros or is it Soros/Clinton?
You gonna waive the "native born citizen" requirement for Mr. Soros?

How?

Whitewater, Chinese contributions and payoffs, and after demonstrated reality, the rumor mill comes into play. Dead friends. Lesbianism.

Of course, she fares far better than Mr. Obama. Druggie. Black separatist church affiliation. Islamic maddrassah affiliation. Corrupt land deal.

The cleanest one may be Mr. Edwards. He only channels dead foetuses. But he was a practicing attorney who won cases based on bad science.

From worst to best.

1) Axe murderers.
2) Child molesters
3) Lawyers
4) Pedophile clergy
5) Preachers
6) Homosexual politicians
7) Used car salesmen
8) Bloggers
9) School teachers
10) Innocent children

Oh well, being a lawyer is quite a burden to carry. But so was Bill and so is Ms Hillary. And Mr. Obama is a lawyer also.

Are there any Democrat candidates for the nomination, who are not lawyers?

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