Sooooo..... Obama's latest tactic is to copy Bubba and claim to be more Clinton than a Clinton?

Oh yeah, that'll work!

Damn...from the headline I thought he was schooling
Obama on how NOT to leave his DNA evidence around.

Impeachment 101.

Maybe he and Bill are cousins.

just glad that I cant get ms on the tube...

here is all they will say..

bush sucks

raise taxes

I was for it before I was against it so dont blame me

bush sucks

raise taxes

bush sucks

lets let all of the illegals in and vote

bush sucks

raise taxes

"I know you are, but what am I?""


and obama better get it rolling.....

is the hillary train already too far out of the station?????????????

He will not just get a BJ from one intern, but copulate with 3 of them all at the same time. He WILL inhale.

It won't just be on the dress, it will be in they're eye, in they're hair, and runnin down they're cracks.

And when Rush asks him about his relations with interns, he will promptly tell rush to shove it up his fat ass and leave the interview. And while the national enquirer will sell millions of papers on the subject, no investigation will occur, because banging your interns is perfectly legal. :p

Banging the guy in the next stall is perfectly legal too, but oh man we gonna have a good laugh about that.

zzzzzz...wake me when it's over

Obama needs to come out swinging at Clinton.

Corky, Obama is already more like Clinton '92 than Hillary ever will be.

Bowa - that's what you want, but Obama is too smart for that. He will talk about the Clinton era as that of the past, but he's not going to "swing" at Hillary. He will emphasise his new approach, how he isn't part of the party establishment. He will not get personal but he has to re-energize the idea that Hillary has not won yet, and now is close to the time when people are beginning to get interested.

Edwards - "College for everyone"
Billary - "More taxes for everyone"
Hussein - "Praise Jesus"
Biden - "Why am I still here?"
Richardson - "I should be a repub"
Elf - "Just call Fred Thomspon's wife a trophy wife, not mine"

Hillary is a buzzsaw.

And the other candidates think they are running against George Bush.

Hillary is just pulling away from th pack and we are only 18 minutes into the debate.

Hillary ain't going anywhere. Bowa you are full of shit.

Obama is too long winded. he reminds me of Thompson.

Booooring.

I like how Richardson claimed he had more foreign policy experience because he got North Korea to release 6 corpses of american soldiers a few months ago.



And how about that Kucinich -- he not only would try and prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon -- but nuclear energy too.

LOL

Edwards keeps telling us there is a very clear choice between the candidates -- doesn't seem like there is a clear distinction at all betwee the candidates.

Edwards took the first shot at Hillary suggesting she's a liar and all over the place in her positions.

1st break. And hillary got the last word right before it.

She gets bonus points for that.

Round 1 to Hillary. with edwards 2nd, Obama 3rd.

Comic relief goes to Kucinich and richardson for their comments about corpses and nuclear energy.

Edwards and Obama are tag teaming Hillary on her inconsistencies and political plays.

They are quite correct to continue to needle her on her Iran vote.

Kucinich is looking more substantial than Spud has ever seen him before at the previous debates.

All in all this is turning into an interesting debate that is standing out from previous ones because all the kid gloves have been left off-stage.

Spud luffed Edwards "Always be in Tell the Truth mode" backslap at Hillary as opposed to Primary v. General Election modes.

Be Well.

Why is Obama calling Hillary "Hillary" instead of "Senator Clinton"?

Obama scored big on the Hillary's refusal to release her archival records while first lady -- yet claiming that tenure forms much of her experience to be president.

Obama is kicking her ass now.

Edwards is piling on Hillary now.

It's about time. They go after her.

Point to Obama on 8 more years of the same back and forth bickering and partisan sniping that we've endured for years.

Edwards is really going after Hillary.

Is there anyboy else invited to this debate except Clinton, Edwards, or Obama?

bonus points to Obama for his candor in admitting that most of his experience is legisltaive instead of trying to lie and fluff up his resume like Hillary did.

Richardson coming to Hillary's rescue -- how cute.

Obama mentioning "important" ethics reform like cutting away free dinners for congressmen.

These folks are BILLIONAIRES on $175K salaries and he mentions free dinners and gifts.

whatever.

Richardso says he can bring people together -- but he can't even bring that toupe together with his head.

Is Dodd trying to imitate JFK's voice?

Quoting Rudy on the "experience" question to Hill?

Hill scores points with her Rudy and "wrong type of experience" rejoinder.

"35 years on both end of Pennsylvania Avenue"

Fair enuff.

Why aren't the archives open?

"Cos they are moving and are becoming available"

But Bubba put a ban on till 2012?

Oops!

Obama scores points by saying that the BushCo admin is the most secretive and Hil shouldn't go down that road.

American Gov works for private interests and corporations?

Big Points fer Obama there.

Why are the GOP fixated on Hil?

Edwards sez it's cos they wanna run against her.

Strewth!

Edwards sez that Hil has recieved the most amount of money from Big Pharma, the Big Insurers and the MIC and that is worrisome.

Spudpoints fer Edwards.

Hil mentions no bid Halliburton contracts and "reigning in the MIC".

Making the right noises.

Obama on the experience question (The Rudy)

Barack sez Hil talks the talk but fails to walk the walk and points to his experience attempting to bring some ethics back into the political process (w/ Russ Feingold)

Biden sez "Can't we all get along?"

Spud sez STFU this is too serious to play softball.

Biden is the "only CEO in this race"

No points fer that.

TBC.

Be Well.

Funny how Dodd brings up how important electability is considering he is not electable.

The GOP debate had a lot more funny zingers and good soundbites at this point in the debate.

None of these dems seem to have a sense of humor.

Kucinich has a hot wife. How can she stand listening to him all the time.

Biden gave you some humor, Bowa. How'd you like it?

Absolutely! finally something funny.

Biden gets the first laughs.

At the xpense of Rudy.

LOL

That means More GOP votes for Rudy.

The GOP attacked Hillary

The dems attack Rudy


Seems like the stage is set for Rudy vs Hillary in 2008

Hillary is angry now - she's been hurt a bit by Obama and Edwards

Thanks to these funcking assholes and their stupid little debate it took me an hour and a half to get home from Penn Hospital today... now they could run on a platform of giving me millions of dollars and I would still vote for the other guy.

In other Philadelphia news, Garret Reid, son of Eagles head coach Andy Reid was arrested again... Both his sons are sitting in jail cells tonight.

That means More GOP votes for Rudy.

Why? Because they'll feel sorry for him?


I mean, I feel sorry for him, but I'm not gonna vote for him.

Bush, Bush, Bush,

Didn't they get the memo -- Bush is not running for President in 2008

"Everybody on this stage is against privatization" -- barack Obama

That soundbite will be a rallying cry for the GOP

Dodd tries his best by calling himself the best of the Bi-Partisan and has a 26 year history of reforming DC.

Edwards thinks the power should reside with the people not the elites and the lobbyists.

He is completely correct.

"Don't turn yer back on the incompetence and corruption in DC and leave it to yer grandkids"

Spud points fer Edwards.

Kucinich "I'll trash NAFTA"

Spudponts au go-go.

Let's get practical! Good stuff Denny!

Nice shot from Biden...

Rudy is the least qualified man to run fer POTUS since Dumbya!

Rudy don't have a right to talk about experience!

The crowd is luffing it! So's Spud!

This debate RAWKS!!

Wowsers even Tim Russert is nailing Hil on her inconsistency in terms of SS.

That was a bit of a suprise.

Hil's dancing as fast as she can.

There are no weak sisters on that stage.

Any one of these folks are capable of wiping the floor with any of their GOPher opposition.

TBC.

Be Well.

More Rudy talk.

alllright.

Hillary talkin bi-partisan

not good.

"Everybody on this stage is against privatization" -- Barack Obama

Privitisation is a stone around the neck of the American people.

For Profit Health care is obscene.

Privitised Prisons are madness incarnate.

Private fucking Armies might actually end democracy in the USA!!

GOPhers wanna trash anti-privitisation talk.

Go to asholes!!

Spud is look forward to that conversation!

Be Well.

None of these dems seem to have a sense of humor

They are connecting to the righteous anger that exists in the heart of the average American.

The GOPhers are so disconnected and insulated and safe that they think they can afford to crack jokes.

This is the most serious election in the history ofhte USA.

Figure it out or fall off the end of the political earth.

Be Well.

Obama took a lame shot at Romney.

Good answer by Obama -- he brought race into the debate in an organic way -- not forced or insincincere.

Bonus points to him for getting the last word in before the break.

Round 2 to Obama, 2nd to Biden, 3rd a tie between Hillary and edwards

Biden rocks. I've been most impressed with him and Richardson this evening thus far. Too many questions are going to the "frontrunners."

This is the most serious election in the history ofhte USA

Wasn't that what people said about 2004?

Spuds has on his democratic glasses again. Sees only what he wishes for instead of truth. Says dems will wipe floor with repubs, etc.

Yeah, Just like they did with Nixon twice, Reagan twice, Bush Sr. once, and George W. Twice.

I guess getting your asses kicked and teeth knocked out somehow means you really won. Try asking president Gore and Kerry.

Hell maybe Hillary should go ahead and write her victory speech and then let it slip out to the media. Then when she goes down in flames you can all say you were cheated and disenfranchised!

They are connecting to the righteous anger that exists in the heart of the average American.

You see right into their hearts can you? Keep telling yourself that.

Actually they really don't have a sense of humor (other than Biden).


This is the most serious election in the history ofhte USA.

Are you Sean Hannity?

Luffed Barack at the end there before the break.

Basically saying that the GOPhers are acting like Nicolson in "A Few Good Men".

They don't think the American public can "handle the truth".

They are wrong to think this fer many reasons.

They are just rationalising their lies and their bad behaviour with such idiotic undemocratic BS.

Folk were saying that "America isn't ready to elect a black man with a funny sounding name"

Truth is some Americans aren't ready for the possibility but their numbers are tiny and shrinking every day.

And... we're back!

Be Well.

Energy?

What a softball question that does nothing to help differentiate the candidates -- they all will agree with each other.

Edwards talking about conservation is pretty funny given his electric bill each month.

Obama blames 30% of the price on oil on "rhetoric" about Iraq.

Audience tilts head to left in unison wondering what the hell he's talking about.

Kucinich is still accusing America of stelaing Iraq's oil.

Yawn.

Don't you think if we were gonna steal it, we would have gotten it by now?

Did Richardson buy Howard Cosell's toupe on ebay?

Dodd just praised Bush

Gimme more of that

Edwards gets thrown a softball question to let him talk about katrina

lame questions this round so far

Hillary is full of shit. AMT is doing what they really did intend for it to do. Proven by the fact that they won't do anything about it.

Oil prices went up with Iran's sanction talk. Oops.

It's now 91 bucks a barrel.

Hillary the dissembler. She doesn't want to just say, "we need to raise taxes"

Now she falls back on that old standby -- class warfare.

Russert presses her on raising taxes and she deflects.

poor charlie Rangel-- nobody wants to sign on to his plan

:-(

Don't you think if we were gonna steal it, we would have gotten it by now?

Why would you think ExxonMobil was gonna pass the savings on to you?

Obama giving his "chicken in every pot" speech now

Russert sucks. *cough cough*

Kucinich is right about the gutless dem party.

Kucinich . ...the champion of the angry, socialist paranoid netroots.




but he has a really hot wife.

"redistribute the money upwards"

He's right.

IMPEACHMENT OF BUSH MENTIONED AT 9:33 EST

by Kucinich

"Hillary is full of shit. AMT is doing what they really did intend for it to do"

Um, Eb, no it's not. The Long-Term Cap Gains rate reduction to 15%, as well as the dividend rate reduction to 15% undermined all that.

IIRC, you pay a higher percentage of your income in taxes than Warren Buffet.

oops 10:33 EST

I like dangerous chinese toys. Edwards can go to hell.

"lightening round" yuck...

Barack is correct to note that the price of oil is being hyped due to risk rather than supply and demand.

DK: "Iraq is about oil"

"Saber rattling against Iran is driving up the price of oil"

"The President and the Veep should be subject to impeachment"

"Pre-emption as a concept is unworthy of the US"

DK hit 4 outta 4 there.

Richardson: Get offa foreign oil? No duh!

Dodd: Sacrifice? Corporate Carbon Tax? A Possibility.

Edwards: "Natural disasters are a national responsibility" Strewth!

Edwards sez part of "being smart" means involving local efforts to rebuild rather than wasteful contracts to intl concerns. That make sense.

Hil: Alternate Minimum Tax? Is Rangel right? Hard to say. Hil's right about Bush's cronies prospering while the middle class slides down the shitter. A Fair and Progressive Tax system? Did she just say "Freeze" the estate tax? Try BRING IT BACK!!

Obama: COLA is going up to the point where saving is just a dream fer too many folks while off-shore accounts in the Caymens are ripping off folk who aren't in the 1 per center club. Obama hit that one out of the park.

DK: Hedge Funds? 16% tax rate? WTF?! Harry Reid don't wanna change that? Wotta jerk! Make the Hedge funds accountable. The tAx system redistributes the wealth upwards. It's a clas war and the wrong side is winnig. Nice speech especially the close on Impeachment.

Edwards: Extra-ordinary corruption in the system.
Debt Relief stolen by Vultures. Blackwater are "mercenaries" Nice 'un Johnny! The system doesn't work and we can't leave this mess to the kids. Go back to the original intentions of the Founding Fathers. God damn it's nice to here impassioned speeches on important subjects.

TBC.

Be Well.

Richardsom wants to extend the school day

LOL

It's not the quantity but the quality of time spent in school that counts.

Kucinich idea for daycare is better than richardsons longer days.

The democrats want to solve the education problem by throwing Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money, at it.

What a surprise.

Um, Eb, no it's not

Yes it is. I climbed into an AMT penalty 4 years ago and I was hearing about how unfair it was before that. They have no intention to change it.

What's your answer, bowa?

One laugh line in this whole debate.

How lame is that.

What's your answer, bowa?

about what?

Education.

I missed who got the last word in before the break.

Doesn't matter -- nobody won round three. They were all lame. But that's not entirely the candidates fault, the questions were horrible.

Edumacation?!

Why aint Johnny and Suzy learning?

Fuck NCLB.

Science and Math proficiency must be raised.

Teachers must be paid a real wage.

Global Warring = Global Warming.

Invest in smart young folk!

Edwards: Two America's includes Two School systems.

Nice.

Some great ideas all around the board.

30 seconds aint long enuff fer this.

Last break.

BRB.

Be Well.

Clinton laid an egg on the Rangel/AMT question. "I'm going to have a solution" is not a solution.

Education.

School choice is the way to go. It gets parents more involved. And parental involvement is the key to success in education.

30 seconds aint long enuff fer this

As usual, the media sucks balls.

Bushs daddy, though, is definitely an ass raping pedophile....posted by pedophilebob

I have to drop this in this thread to discuss something important :-(

Nice rhetoric, bowa. But no specifics.

You should run.

Fuck the lightning round.

Nice rhetoric, bowa. But no specifics.

start another thread about it. And we can debate the issue.

In the meantime, I'm following the debate
on this one..

This isn't a gameshow...our MEDIA SUCKS!

Fuck the lightning round.

They are all lightining rounds it seems.

One laugh line in this whole debate.

Thousand of American Troops dead unneccessarily.

Many more injured for life some physically, some mentally, some both.

Rich getting richer,
Poor getting poorer.
Faith is government almost non-existent.

"How lame is that"?

Be Well.

I dare anyone here to use 30 seconds of talking to say anything deep or intelligent to solve a large problem.

We used to have debates that went on for days. Now we get the "lightning round" and the public and the candidates allow the MSM to do this.

We get the morons in office we DESERVE for being so lazy.

The democrats want to solve the helathcare problem by throwing Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money, Mo Money, at it.


Big surprise

We used to have debates that went on for days.

Lincoln-Douglas was an all day affair.

"Medicare for all"-- Dennis Kucinich

LOL

Bowa- they could probably pay for these things if the upper 5% stopped getting bushs tax cuts.

And you have no answer to solve any problems but a repeated, and stupid, talking point about democratic spending.(while the dumbfuck you voted for twice has wasted more money than liberal carter)

Big surprise.

I like Richardson's idea about mandatory servive to the country -- but it should be at least 2-4 years

And you have no answer to solve any problems but a repeated, and stupid, talking point about democratic spending.

I'm followg the deabte and just commenting on it on this thread. We can debate in length on other threads.

Obama got chastized for not following the lightning round rules and he started to stumble and seem to be unsure -- very unpresidential.

Don't waste space spamming your insipid comments, bowa.

And you have no answer to solve any problems but a repeated, and stupid, talking point about....

welcome to the DR and 95% of all threads (comments made mostly by liberals)

Obama got chastized for not following the lightning round rules and he started to stumble and seem to be unsure -- very unpresidential.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-10-30 10:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Make a thread about it. Been a while since you slimed Obama with a bad article/headline.

I like Dodd's take on illgal aliens getting drivers licenses. - they shouldn't.

Hillary dissembling. And stumbling. Dodd nailed her.
with his "Beuracratic nightmare" comment

Don't waste space spamming your insipid comments

again, welcome to the DR.

"That's a Beuruacratic nightmare." Sure is.

Hillary is on the ropes on the drivers license issue and true to form -- she blames it on Bush

LOL

Hillary is getting dog piled. Good.

Edards is piling on Hilalry now. Obama is also.

Hillary got busted on double-talk also known as "Clinton-speak"

How about we just DEPORT ILLEGALS instead of giving them special drivers licenses? Jesus...

And fuck Russert for asking about UFO's. What a dick.

Kucinich talking about his UFO experience.

The flying saucer is probably waiting outside the door to take him away after the debate.

Did Kuku really see a UFO?

Too precious--


Has anyone here ever seen a UFO??


Murphy

I've seen a UFO.

It was probably a military craft. Kucinich wasn't talking about aliens ffs.

Funny reply by Obama.

Obama scores a laughline on the "other life in the universe" issue and takes advantage by saying he's concerned about people living here on earth.

Exchange of the night

What a bunch of pot heads..


Murphy

Dodd jsut made the cover of next months "High Times"

I expect some folks to start slobbering over dodd's position on MJ

UFO means "unidentified Flying Object" Could be a meteor, airplane, ect. It doesn't mean "aliens in a saucer".

Grow up Tim Russert. You too, Bowa.

Wow Rudy again


Alllllright!!!!!

Obama missed an opportunity with the halloween question

Yes, again, no sense of humor other than perhaps Biden.

Russert needs to retire.

round three goes to Obama.

And Obama won the night. Hillary was 2nd, Edwards and Biden tied for 3rd.

Kucinich's wife is not THAT good looking.

I'm very tired of Russert's lame "gotcha questions", and the fact that he puts Cheney's balls in his mouth.

Hillary might have even come in 3rd, with Edwards 2nd.

Kucinich's wife is not THAT good looking.

Posted by eberly at 2007-10-30 11:04 PM | Reply | Flag

I'd like to see what you dip your wick in, eb.

Kucinich's wife is not THAT good looking.

She's pretty damn hot. I love redheads.

All of these candidates are serious folk.

They also have good hearts and good senses of humour.

The difference between the Dems and the Reps at this point in time is the difference between Night and Day.

The GOPhers are gonna be eaten alive by this crowd.

Not for Profit Health care is the way, the light and the path.

Interesting question on the Aviation industries ills and woes.

The Aeroflot joke was as funny as it was sad (cos it's true).

Drivers licenses to illegal immigrants, Hillary?

Hil agrees with Spitzer? WTF?! Wonder if CChris agrees? Not!

It's a PRIVILEGE not a right.

Dodd is correct. Hil is wrong.

A bureaucratic nightmare, indeed.

Ooh an internets question!

Gov Guidelines on internet content?

To save the kiddies?

Slipperry fucking slope people!

A real issue?

Obama quick to note that Hillary is not so much nuanced as she is difficult to understand.

Obama agrees with Spitzer too? WTF?!

DK on the UFO. "I saw something"

"Carter saw one too"

"More people in the US have seen UFO's than agree with Bush" See DK is FUNNY! The good kind.

Obama flipped the life on other worlds question around quite humourously and effectively.

Softballl question on Cancer to Hillary?

Quel suprise.

Hil is quick to point out Bush is the anti-science POTUS.

Decriminalising Marijuana?

Edwards sez it "sends the wrong signal"

Dodd sez "Too many folks in jails"

Dodd wins that one.

Biden wants to "Shut Down Imports from China"

That's new.

Where's Rudy? That's funny too!

Two sided Mitt Romney mask fer Obama's Halloween question? That's kinda cute.

Okey Dokey. Spuddish Shout out to Tim Russet Potato and Brian "The Giant Head" Jennings.

THAT's how ya run a debate.

Good show kids.

Be Well.

So that was fun. the GOP debate had a lot more electricity, humor and more aggressive attacks between the candidates then this one.

But as a republican, it's not like I can be an impartial observer.

Russert--Mr. Potato Head--did better at the last debate.

But how can these folks say that giving driver licenses to illegals is acceptable.??

Too much pot....

What would they show to prove who they are? Did they bring dcouments when they climbed the cyclone fence?

That's why they like pointed cowboy boots you know--they grip the fence better. ;o)

And if they got a DL--then the gov't would know who they were and could go them easier.

And why get a real ID when they are using a fake one??

Spitzer is a bonehead.

Murphy

I'd like to see what you dip your wick in, eb.

Posted by Alexandrite

I'm sure you would. Bowa, I like redheads also. She is attractive but after seeing everyone's comments I expected more.

They also have good hearts and good senses of humour.

You are on crack.

The republican debates are insane. I can't even watch them anymore...it's like a room full of pussies pretending to be Psychopathic cavemen.

*I wanna torture!*

**No, I torture bigger!**

***Me biggest!***

****Let me call my lawyer.****

And poor Ron Paul sits alone with the constitution.

Wow, the media is ganging up on Hillary. in the aftershow.

obama and edwards bloodied her.
That is for sure.

Here's my prediction:

After all this, Stephen Colbert will beat half these guys in South Carolina.

Rudy rarely reads prepared speeches and when he does he isn't prone to ripping off the text from others.

That was a slam and a half--goes to when Biden got busted for plagerizing.


Murphy

"Rudy rarely reads prepared speeches and when he does he isn't prone to ripping off the text from others."

Why do they even quote moronic campaign spokespeople insulting the other candidates? Who cares what she thinks? Quote Giuliani, not his gophers.

If Colbert does a second place (or some percentage) he could pull those electoral votes to him and away from the other candidate.

SC can split their EV's ...


Murphy

Rcade--

They are all in the business of insulting someone.

If it isn't Elizabeth, it's Michelle, or Bill, or --well you know...


Murphy

Why do they even quote moronic campaign spokespeople insulting the other candidates? Who cares what she thinks? Quote Giuliani, not his gophers

Rcade, because it's unseemly for a candisate to voluntarily go for the jugular in response to an opponenets digs before the debate is even over.

It's far more presidential, if Rudy is on the campaign trail, and a reporter asks him about Biden's comment and then he responds.

Knowing Rudy, he's probably got a real zinger ready to go.

Poor Hillary. Too bad she finally is called out for the two-face she is. Great job by Dodd, Edwards and Obama.

Hillary complains about the "secrecy" of the Bush administration, yet won't release her and slick willy's records from the archives till 2012.

Wonder why?

I actually watched the entire thing. What a disgrace. All fluff, no substance.

College for everyone? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAA!!!

Formerlib, I did too. Yeah, that answer about not releasing the records was one of the better gems of the evening. Red tape etc. my ass.

The gloves are off.

I think even the media will start beating up her now.

They might love her husband, but they've always disliked Hillary.

Bowa,


You've got it backwards.


The media has always loved Hillary.


The media was really not all that friendly with Bill - kinda contentious, actually.

Jeffj, did you watch Mr. Hardball, Chris Matthews last night after the debate? He wasn't saying anything good about Hillary. He thinks the immigration issue will be a big problem for her in the general election.

I disagree Jeff.. Bill charmed them. They might agree with Hillary politically, but nobody in the media would ever say she was dun to be around.

And as I pointed out a couple of weeks ago, I could tell from the snide remarks many in the media were saying about her over her refusal to be accessible to them, that they were just hoping that someone would start bloodying Hillary a bit -- so they couldget out all their pent up resentment against her.

I think the Media now has a new narrative to run with for the democrats -- It is Hillary, the double=talker, vs Edwards and Obama the passioante truthtellers who tell us where they stand.