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The right-wing community blog RedState has banned contributions from supporters of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, calling them "liberals pretending to be Republicans." In an announcement, the publishers stated, "Effective immediately, new users may not shill for Ron Paul in any way shape, form or fashion."

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Hahahahaha free speech tightyfrightyrighties showing their true colors.

What a bunch of asses.

Whatasamatter afraid that a REAL republican might actually become president instead of the fake crap neocons you have been pushing?

The posting rules for redstate.com are as follows:

No profanity.

No personal attacks.
No harassment or demonization of a particular individual.
No disruptive behavior or off-topic remarks for their own sake.
The purpose of this site is promote conservative and Republican ideals. This is our home, and we ask you kindly not to track mud into it. Revocation of posting privileges (banning) will take place after a warning of behavior which violates the intent and spirit of these rules.


Jesus, Chairpoodle wouldn't last a minute. Of course he gets plenty of self imposed vacations around here himself.

Ron Paul will be interested to hear that he's a liberal.

Keep talking to yourselves, boys and girls. Nobody else is listening any more.

I read Red State with some regularity. Their method is to keep on gumming an issue until it's macerated enough to fit their biases.

Consequently, they don't talk about anything important. There may not be another blog more responsible for turning conservatives away from conservatism.

Feel free to exercies your "free speech" as the GOP defines it.

I notice someone posted the banning rules at Red State. From observation I can tell you the best way to be banned there is to make any educated and cogent point (especially a conservative one)that disagrees with the editors.

As noted, be glad for the nice folks at Red State. They're one big reason for the current Republican malaise.

follow the link to the comments that were the crux of this decision.

this was actually the first time i'd ever been to or heard of redstate - but thankx for pointing it out to me!

ron paul doesn't stand a chance with true conservatives.

Funny stuff!
www.travisandjonathan.com

ron paul doesn't stand a chance with true conservatives.

That says a lot about what conservatism has become under Bush, dunnit?

ron paul doesn't stand a chance with true conservatives.

That says a lot about what conservatism has become under Bush, dunnit?

Posted by rcade at 2007-10-25 09:21 AM | Reply

Apparently "real conservatives" no longer believe in a government bound by constitutional limits, federalism, low taxes, limited government spending, and non-intervention in the affairs of foreign countries.

Instead, "real conservatives" are now big government, tax-and-spend imperialists.

Bush's Bizarro world.

Ron Paul may be the last "conservative" left in the Barry Goidwater mold. While he is a libertarian too, for peace in both wars, against Ayrabs and against drugs, he probably would not get my vote against anyone the Dems are currently offering. But the man is honest, has principles, and thus does not qualify for Red State's brand of Republicanism . herm

ron paul doesn't stand a chance with true conservatives.

Nope not a chance...

When you talk about true conservatives, you can't be talking about the military. Of course we know that the military are not true conservatives because they donate more money to Ron Paul than any other conservative candidate.

abcnews.go.com

Of course the true conservatives don't vote in straw polls either.

www.ronpaul2008.com


See that blue line rocketing into the stratosphere? That's Ron Paul. That's REAL support. That's who people want to know about. The only one who gets any recognition was Fred getting a fart in the wind when he announced...that's it. The rest of the GOP have no tangible support from real people, only corporations and people who are looking to get something.

www.alexa.com

just remember that paul is a MINOR candidate and has no chance of winning......NONE........

and he voted to NOT override the veto and doesnt that mean that he hates children and he likes for them to lay in the ditch needing medical help.....isnt that how you guys try and describe us.

I dont think they should keep anyone off...unless they didnt follow thier rules......but face it......HE WILL NOT BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT>....I WILL BET MY GOLF CLUBS ON IT.....and you know me.......hard to make A THIRD HOLE IN ONE...without clubs......
(see how I got that in there?).......

From what I've read about this, apparently the ban is on Ron Paul Trolls who just post the same thing over and over again about a Zionist Conspiracy to keep Ron Paul down.

After facing off against Buffalo Bob the past couple of days over his 9/11 conspiracy idiocy, I'm starting to think the words "troll" and "conspiracy" are interchangeable.

Kos has banned all 9/11 conspiracists from his "daily Kos" site. maher has banned them from his audience (at least the ones who shout out their views) and now Redstate has banned the "zionist Conspiracy against Ron Paul" trolls.

In general, I am against all forms of censorship. So it is really uncomfortable for me to even begin to think such bans are OK.

But I am starting to believe that for some "free speech" on these political blogsites is a license to just harrass and shut down civil debate with a singleminded barrage of posts that are impervious to reason, debate or intelligent discussion.

So in those cases, I feel that such drastic measures as banning a group of bloggers might be necessary -- if only to protect the original intent of the site itself. As Kos obviously has done in his ban of the 9/11 Conspiracy Wackos.

Hahahahaha free speech tightyfrightyrighties showing their true colors.

As do the leftist blogs I've been kicked out of. hahahahahaha (if there truly is humor in that)

just remember that paul is a MINOR candidate and has no chance of winning......NONE........

and he voted to NOT override the veto and doesnt that mean that he hates children and he likes for them to lay in the ditch needing medical help.....isnt that how you guys try and describe us.

I dont think they should keep anyone off...unless they didnt follow thier rules......but face it......HE WILL NOT BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT>....I WILL BET MY GOLF CLUBS ON IT.....and you know me.......hard to make A THIRD HOLE IN ONE...without clubs......
(see how I got that in there?).......


You can think that he has no chance all you want, but he is not going anywhere. Minor candidates don't have the 3rd most cash on hand at the end of the 3rd quarter, no matter how much you say otherwise.


He is going to raise 10+ million this quarter and will have more than enough money to stick around for the duration of the primaries. He will be there till the end. He will be there when there are only 5 candidates left. He will get more time to speak and he will continue to make the other candidates look more foolish. He will continue to win every debate, and Hannity will continue pissing his pants. That graph from the Alexa link above will continue on its trend that it's been on for months now.

What kind of clubs you got? I was looking to replace my Titleist irons, but I just might wait now. :)

Isn't it funny how the liberals pretend this doesn't happen on the left leaning blogs? News flash, folks -- many leftist blogs do the same thing! Where's the derision for them? I guess the lefty's handlers don't allow dissent for that.

As do the leftist blogs I've been kicked out of. hahahahahaha (if there truly is humor in that)

The blogs are privately owned sites. The owners have a right to manage the content as they see fit. I've been kicked off of FreeRepublic and Kos.

I don't particularly like it. But I can't argue with their right to do it.

I don't think it is a "Free Speech" issue so much as it is a "freedom of association" issue.

Ron Paul better start crossdressing or trolling toilets if he wants to get any respect from the "Big tent "party.
Maybe his wife can start propositioning minors...

I don't think anyone disputes their right to operate their blogs as they want but I think it occurs to many of us that when they exclude Paul supporters they are probably helping us Dems.
If Republicans want to shoot themselves in the foot let me supply the bullets.

BTW: As far as I can tell, there are only a few 9/11 conspiracy wackos of Bob's caliber here on drudge.com so their presence here can be easily tolerated.

But I wonder what RCADE would do if there were a hundred Buffalo Bobs logging in and writing post after post about their wacko 9/11 conspiaracy theories, and hijacking the threads.

Would you support a ban on them?

I don't think anyone disputes their right to operate their blogs as they want but I think it occurs to many of us that when they exclude Paul supporters they are probably helping us Dems.
If Republicans want to shoot themselves in the foot let me supply the bullets.


Don't hold your breath...people like me (and there are a lot of them) want nothing to do with the warmongers on the left either.

Politics imitates mental health, which can use a clock for a model. One second before midnight, perfectly normal, one second after utterly insane.

What kind of clubs you got? I was looking to replace my Titleist irons, but I just might wait now. :)

Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2007-10-25 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

ah good one.........if you have a good set of titleist irons.....you dont want mine.....calloways and also a set of zonex.

but not that I would have to worry anyway....

he can get all the money he could possibly need....rather than say minor......lets say third party........and they dont win either.......


here is my bottom line on ron paul....

any man who is a gynocologists for as long as he was.....well just think of how many 'who who's' he has looked at over the years.......

you cant just dismiss a man like that.......yuk yuk

Isn't it funny how the liberals pretend this doesn't happen on the left leaning blogs? News flash, folks -- many leftist blogs do the same thing! Where's the derision for them?

If a major left-wing blog banned Dennis Kucinich supporters, a lot of people here would be howling. Myself among them.

go to demoncratic underground and TRY to say something NICE and CIVIL about ANY conservative - watch how fast they ban you - i know someone who's been banned countless times for this.

i say blog owner's blog rules rule. there is only so much off topic, hateful, and vulgar postings people should HAVE to take before taking drastic measures.

trust me on this...

I think it is hilarious. Well, except for where they call RP supporters liberals--as a liberal, i take offense to that.

Arguing with libertarians is like talking to a wall. First they disagree with your facts. If you back up your facts, they'll attack the credibility of your references. Then if that doesn't work, they'll either ignore you or bring up some mass conspiracy trying to bring them down. On top of that, they'll insult you at every turn.

I can't wait until the primaries---we'll really see how many supporters this nut has. Of course, when he's decimated, they won't chalk it up to crazy ideas, it'll be because the media didn't take him seriously.

After weeks of reading, I am still waiting for someone to explain why I should believe that the polls that Ron Paul doesn't win are somehow "scientific" and "real" and all the polls, including all the straw polls where he does win are, somehow, not "scientific" and not "real". This stinks of the big lie - repeated endlessly for the entrapment of fools.

I will continue to donate to Ron's campaign, not for what he will do, but for what he has already done for the cause of liberty, property, and peace. I look forward to November 5th.

It is easy to figure out that Ron Paul simply can't be the Republican nominee. He believes in the Constitution.

Simple matter of common sense.

- Democratic party voters are currently laboring under the delusion that a democratic president will take us out of Iraq and have some radically different, more sensible foreign policy. This, of course, isnt the case at all. To say nothing of the fact that Hillary, Obama, etc. are all CFR members, they are all currently backing away from their former position of "just get out" of Iraq.

- Ron Paul has CONSISTENTLY held the exact same position on Iraq. He argues that it was a mistake to ever go in the first place and VOTED AGAINST IT. He has vowed to scale back military exapnsion overseas and pull troops out of not only Iraq, but Korea, Germany, etc. On this, and MANY other issues, Ron Paul has one big thing going for him if nothing else; he does EXACTLY what he says he will do and tells the truth.

By contrast, Hillary has capitalized on the anti-war sentiment currently held by over 70% of the country...even though she voted for the Iraq war and now says we cant leave until 2013.

Frankly Im not interested in what the landline polls say because all things considered, I think its a wildly inaccurate and silly way to do polling. Nor am I one of those who believes Ron Paul will necessarily win anything, even the nomination. But Im also not sheepishly buying the idea that a flip-flopping serial-liar like Romney or Giuliani who are both running on Bush's same foreign policy (one of the most politically disastrous and unpopular policies in recent history) will somehow avoid getting absolutely CRUSHED by Hillary next year.

On actual policy positions and pure substance (not hairstyle, speaking skills, or a "presidential jawline"), Ron Paul really is the only candidate who has Hillary beat solid in terms of the War and illegal immigration, and his domestic/social policy views (end the drug war, increased private property rights, end coporate welfare, industrialize hemp, etc) could easily be argued as more liberal and hands-off than Hillary.

A large part of the problem with Paul's campaign, is the blatant news blackout regarding him.
Some would call it censorship.
Case in point. This is only one example;

The NY post had an article yesterday regarding the recent Family Research Council's Straw Poll. The focus of the article was on the terrible results achieved by Rudy Guiliani. The article includes a list of the results, and neglects to include Ron Paul's 3rd place finish, as if he was not even there! Here is a image of the table as it appears in the hardcopy of yesterday's NY Post:
www.nypost.com

Here are the official results directly from Family Research Council's website:

www.frcblog.com

This 'omission' generated a lot of angry emails to the NYpost. It now appears that they have removed the false graphic from their 'story'.
Here is the story as of today, SANS graphic:

www.nypost.com

Censorship?

See a pattern?

I think I know what it's like not to agree with the PC majority on a Lib blog.

www.drudge.com

But here we just bang on each other instead of canceling Memberships.

I think.

The party apparatus of the Republicans has lived on a steady diet of shit for so long, they can no longer digest any honesty.

Reminiscent of the Pravda years in Russia.

Dennis Kucinich is Ron Paul without the crazy part.

Danni - Exactly what makes Ron Paul crazy? Kucinich is the best Dem but I dont think is very similar to Paul other than he SHOULD be the front runner for the party, the MSM ignores him, and has comparable integrity.
He differs pretty much on every issue - even the war.

"Arguing with libertarians is like talking to a wall. First they disagree with your facts. If you back up your facts, they'll attack the credibility of your references. Then if that doesn't work, they'll either ignore you or bring up some mass conspiracy trying to bring them down. On top of that, they'll insult you at every turn"

Funny? That's what I experience on this site every post. Especially the insults. Are you sure you're talking about libertarians?

BLT - please stop talking about your third hole. It's gross, man.

Captain

....is right...Kucinich is not only the most honest Dem, but he made right call on every issue, including labelling the war a lie from the start.......

.....Paul is the only honest Republican candidate, so they assume there is something wrong with him for being honest, ......I disagree with him on social issues....but I admire the fact that he is the ONLY honest Repub running......

It is the media who are giving the spotlight to Clinton, Giuliani. Whoever the people see most on TV, that's who they vote for.

The media elects Presidents. Not the people. Whoever controls the media controls elections. The media has been controlled by the right for decades. The proof is this conflict we are in now in Iraq. With a competent and free media, it could never have happened. With a competent and free media Reagan and HW Bush would have been impeached for Iran Contra. With a competent and free media we would have answers to many of the questions about 911---like pics of the planes hitting the Pentagon. With a competent and free media thousands of lost Americans would be alive today. What we have is a right wing media too afraid to make any waves. What we have is Clinton and Giuliani instead of Kucinich and Paul.

"What we have is a right wing media too afraid to make any waves. What we have is Clinton and Giuliani instead of Kucinich and Paul." - I believe it is "right wing" as in fascist. I wish we has Kucinich and Paul - two leaders with differing views but with actual PLANS AND GOALS to lead this country for the people. That is what makes them similar -- they are both servents of the people. I prefer Paul's libertarian ideals but I could comprimise with a Kucinich.

Buffalo Bob - if you have not read "The Fountainhead" by Ayn Rand, read it now. It is alarming how relevant it is and how easy it is to see Ron Paul as Howard Roark and the "New York Banner" as our MSM. I believe you will be able to appreciate it.

The media has been controlled by the right for decades

Decades??? WTF??? This is a new phenomenon-- probably five or six years no more.

However, if I remember correctly, a Texas DEMOCRAT-- Henry Gonzales (who my old man used to call a commie with a wicked gleam in his eye) was the only one to call for impeachment over Iran-Contra. certainly the mid '80s were a time for conservatives to re-establish media presence which they had lost back in the late 60s and 70s, but it was short lived.

At the time of Iran/Contra I was a full-bore Republican and suppoported Reagan and (to a lesser extent) Bush though I questioned in my mind alot of the nasty stuff that came out soon after. For me, Ron Paul first hit the radar screen back then because he was calling out the CIA and demanding for its abolition-- which made sense, especially after I/C showed that the CIA had acted for years with no oversight and its real purpose wasn't necessarily in gaining intelligence on subversive groups hostile to the US but rather foreign meddling, sabotage and incitement to mass murder by US supported dictators, warlords and storngmen. I began to feel that it wasn't in best interests of the country to have the organization doing that sort of thing, and being incapable of rehabilitation I began to want it done away with-- the first cracks in my otherwise solid Republican foundation.

I was on-guard when Bush II came in with all these old Contra guys like Negroponte and Abrams-- I was twenty years older and so wiser.

I believe Giuliani will get on the Republican ticket for the nomination-- he already has Abrams and the like on board-- with a revitalized McCain looking like an increasingly good bet for the POTUS nod (yes you heard that right-- McCain).

this recycling of I/C assholes sivckens me as it should every informed American.

"Arguing with libertarians is like talking to a wall. First they disagree with your facts. If you back up your facts, they'll attack the credibility of your references. Then if that doesn't work, they'll either ignore you or bring up some mass conspiracy trying to bring them down. On top of that, they'll insult you at every turn"

Funny? That's what I experience on this site every post. Especially the insults. Are you sure you're talking about libertarians?



I don't vouch for those who post on this website. It is generally a place for extreme partisans to let off some steam. Everywhere i've discussed politics that involved libertarians--we got nowhere. The discussions digress to a point where it was difficult to figure out what issue we were discussing. All they do is muddy the water, throw out broad, sweeping general statements (like with the Fed) and then expect you to defend every aspect of our current financial system. Yet, when you push them on the implementation of RP's policies--you get deflection and "hey, what is YOUR idea?".

IMO, the guy is a loon. His ideas are interesting but unworkable. And those who support them and argue for their wide scale implementation seem to have only a cursory knowledge of how the financial markets and other aspects of the economy works. Do i like him and what he ultimately stands for? Yeah, i suppose. And i think he is good for the debate. And i think selective implementation of his ideas in certain sectors of our economy could very well be beneficial. But if he were to be elected president, well, i would fear for this country's future---moreso than with that dumbass GWB in control (and that says A LOT)

__B__ have you forgoten that the executive branch of the goverment does not make laws? How could RP ruin the nation, all he could do is veto the retarded stuff comming out of the Legislature. He WOULD NOT over reach his power...the Constitution does not allow him to, and we know how RP speaks of the Constitution. Your argument is so farcical. We arent electing a KING, at least not another one. I feel like we have had this argument before.

IMO, the guy is a loon. His ideas are interesting but unworkable. And those who support them and argue for their wide scale implementation seem to have only a cursory knowledge of how the financial markets and other aspects of the economy works.

Aren't all politicians loons? or only the ones who have creative ideas? Only fools expect the guy to come in and change what he wants. It would take time. Granted many on the Ron Paul bandwagon, if it has yet reached that state, are young idealists with minimal knowledge on Paul's positions and intended solutions, but there are quite a few older cynics (like myself) who feel they have a better understanding of what he represents and what he can achieve if elected President. Of course everyone expects quick fixes. the Ron Paul "revolution" wouldn't be televised-- it will be reasonably discussed and documented on paper before being carefully implemented piecemeal.



But if he were to be elected president, well, would fear for this country's future---moreso than with that dumbass GWB in control (and that says A LOT)

Says a lot about what, exactly? Be specific please. You are asking Ron Paul supporters to be specific while talking to you, expect that same question from YOUR audience as well.

Leaving the security of the status quo is a fearful and scary thing, huh? Kinda like a baby bird falling outta the nest knowing full well its their responsibility alone to learn to fly before hitting the ground.

I never fear for the country's future-- I only fear for the continuous 'now" which is REALITY. The "future" is used to scare a bunch of people into accepting unproven theories and unreasoned arguments in the now.




My favorite memory of Red State? When they banned all further discussion among members regarding the reasons for the Iraq War.

The Editors said "very smart people" (the Editors) had decided it was justified, so no more debate was required.

Ron Paul supporters keep reading how the country has destroyed debate and how people are being labeled in order to demonize them. Then double or triple your donations to Paul.

-- Posted by Flo

from the link provided by Rcade above.

so it's back to money again?


Banned BBC Documentary - Bush Stole 2004 Elections

"Note that DBT, which generated the list barring 22,000 Democratic voters, is owned by ChoicePoint." M.R.

video.google.com:80

I notice someone posted the banning rules at Red State. From observation I can tell you the best way to be banned there is to make any educated and cogent point (especially a conservative one)that disagrees with the editors.

As noted, be glad for the nice folks at Red State. They're one big reason for the current Republican malaise.

Posted by Zed at 2007-10-25 08:43 AM |


Completely Agree Zed. It's a small minded NeoCon Blog that has done nothin but echo chambered themselves into some sort of "Conservative Wonderland"...

Ah well... At least we small government types still have....

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well theres always...


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sonofa....

Absolutely, positively sickening. Although I can't say I'm suprised.

Ron Paul 2008!!!

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