Kids, good news, you don't have to go to the doctor and get a shot.

Danni,

Do you happen to know a kid that needs a shot but can not get it? I mean, shoot, it always sounds like everyone around you is destitute(sp?) That would explain all your negativity.

Cheers

Make the cut off age 12. That gives the parents plenty of time to find the income to pay for insurance.

Yeah Danni,

There's more to life than Bowling Alleys and Tattoo Parlors. Gay Day at Disney World is not a vacation. Get out more.

I will say this about SCHIP and the failure of the Dems to deliver, it would have been smarter to have proposed a bill that did extend SCHIP but not nearly so far. Had it been doubled from 5 to 10 billion it would probably have passed AND been signed. Now they will have to negotiate with the president and no matter what comes out of that negotiation the Dems will end up looking weak. Would have been better not to have had to go back and negotiate.

End up looking weak or proven that they are weak?

70-80% voter support for this program. And at no cost to the taxpayer.
Ought to be a good thing for Republicans to campaign on, along with borrowing 200 billion more for another year of Bush's Excellent Iraq Adventure. Maybe they can drop the enlistment age to 10 and the sick kids can get medical care along with basic training.

Won't somebody please think of the kinda of rich children!!!

Now they will have to negotiate with the president and no matter what comes out of that negotiation the Dems will end up looking weak

Danni -- I notice in a lot of your posts you seem more concerned with how the Democrats look than the work they do. Is appearance that important?

I mean, I don't care if the chef at the restaurant has a big funny hat as long as he delivers a quality product. But that's just me.

Won't somebody please think of the kinda of rich children!!!

Why are the Democrats always suffering from a vacuum of leadership?

Already seen ads portraying GOPiggie candidates as "siding with Bush" instead of a sick child.

You righties are the best campaign advertising the left could ever have.

You guys make it too easy.

""Danni -- I notice in a lot of your posts you seem more concerned with how the Democrats look than the work they do. Is appearance that important?""

With an election approaching and a need for a stronger majority, yes appearance matters.

"Won't somebody please think of the kinda of rich children!!!"

It wasn't for "kinda rich children" The families it would have helped are struggling. Also many pre-existing conditions prevent them from buying insurance at all, this would have helped those folks.

The issue of restraint only applies to the tax paying middle class. The rich are special and deserve handouts unlike everyone else.

Corporate welfare, waste, fraud, and Republican sexual and monetary predatory practices are alive and well. Fuck the kids, fuck the middle class, fuck the troops, fuck the Iraqis....these are BushCo policies.

Is appearance that important?

To most of America it is. Our society is very superficial, big house, fancy car, luxury trappings, nice clothes, etc.

The Republicants made image more important than message from Reagan forward with smear campaigning. To hell with the accomplishments, it's the failures that matter.

Of course not all of America is that way, but in the era of 10 second soundbite campaigning most are.

Good news kids of middle class parents and some adults and some illegals...you don't get yet another chance to suck on the tax payer teat. You have enough handed to you already and of those of you who already qualify for SCHIP only 50% of you are enrolled so it obviously isn't as needed as we're all being brainwashed to believe. But like all government solutions the solution to this "problem" is to throw more money at it and when you try to expand a government program by an outrageous 500% or so you inevitably get the 200% you were looking for in the first place. So...good news taxpayers, even though you think the expansion of this beast has been defeated it will still end up costing you more in the end and even though you think you have a say in the matter, you really don't...so open those wallets or we'll throw you in jail.

Sincerely,
The U.S. of A

Also many pre-existing conditions prevent them from buying insurance at all, this would have helped those folks.


If you are already sick, fuck you and your health care.

Sincerely,

The Right.

PS You are just a lazy piece of shit anyways.

"Our society is very superficial, big house, fancy car, luxury trappings, nice clothes, etc."

Just the republicans. The democrats don't go in for any of that kind of shit!

End up looking weak or proven that they are weak?

Posted by sickoflibs at 2007-10-19 01:28 PM | Reply |

The former, we already had the proof, were just waiting for the worm to turn.

With an election approaching and a need for a stronger majority, yes appearance matters.


I'd rather have someone who can do the job. Fuck appearances.

Maybe that's why the democratic party is in such shambles. No leadership, no job capabilities, but goddam aren't they pretty!

"Why are the Democrats always suffering from a vacuum of leadership?"

Posted by LeeAtwater at 2007-10-19 01:31 PM


Asks someone who voted for Bush.

Danni -- I notice in a lot of your posts you seem more concerned with how the Democrats look than the work they do. Is appearance that important?

I mean, I don't care if the chef at the restaurant has a big funny hat as long as he delivers a quality product. But that's just me.

Posted by goatman at 2007-10-19 01:30 PM | Reply |

Are you even being serious Goat? Appearance not important to politics? Really? Somehow I don't think politics is quite so similar to being a Chef.... Unless you want to make analogies to cooking up bullshit...

Come on Goatman, which Dem is as pretty as Mitt???

Well, besides John Edwards.

. . . cooking up bullshit...

Kudos on creating the perfect juxtaposition between the culinary arts and politics.

Come on Goatman, which Dem is as pretty as Mitt???

Well, besides John Edwards.

Good one, Danni. You get a FF

Also many pre-existing conditions prevent them from buying insurance at all, this would have helped those folks.


Posted by 726 at 2007-10-19 01:37 PM

Let's see... How many ways can you disect this failed bill? You have about 10 million kids now without insurance. Of them about 60% who are qualified for SCHIP and or medicare NEVER SIGN UP. Now these clowns in Washington want to extend this to millions more who's parent don't even bother to register and take advantage of the benefits? Not to mention extend to some families 300% above the poverty line? Bush even warned these idiots he would veto. Yet they try and gain as many political points and campaign dollars as they can before it is revealed how flawed the bill is. To go as far as have to one the biggest nutcases ever be elected (Pete Stark)and allow him to show his complete insanity should be a relfection of the entire majority party. They can try and use a 12 year old to further their lies and manipulation but I think most sane people see through their utter imcompetence. What is their poll ratings today?

""but I think most sane people see through their utter imcompetence.""

er...the vast majority of Americans supported the bill. Even a slim majority of Republicans supported the bill.
It is pretty universally accepted that Congress's low poll numbers are because of its inability to reign in bush and his war.

Even a slim majority of Republicans supported the bill.

Then assuming that all Democrats were for it (and I assume they were) there are enough votes to override the presidential veto. All that's needed is a 2/3 majority. With an even congress, a slim majority of republicans + all democrats = 3/4 congress.

Why is everyone wringing their hands?

er...the vast majority of Americans supported the bill. Even a slim majority of Republicans supported the bill.

Posted by danni at 2007-10-19 02:23 PM

The vast majority doesn't know the flaws nor are they going to get the info via the MSM.It really is no surprise you fall for their manipulation. Like I said most sane people see through it. I am confused why you don't refute my post other than some skewed poll.

er...the vast majority of Americans supported the bill. Even a slim majority of Republicans supported the bill.
It is pretty universally accepted that Congress's low poll numbers are because of its inability to reign in bush and his war.

Posted by danni
--------

Sadly the vast majority of Americans believe the notion that the government can give them something for nothing. The folly of democracy is, when you have an ignorant, lazy populous with it's hand out, they vote for whoever promises them the most for nothing. The vast majority of Americans are not concerned with things like facts or figures, just what can I get my hands on without paying for it directly. They're too brainwashed to realize that they pay more to have the government do things than they ever would pay in a free market.

The biggest lie of all is that the private sector consistently offers the most efficient solution (lowest cost).

We pay more and get less value for our health care than any nation on earth. There are so many PIGS at the TROUGH. Insurance Companies are unnecessary although our Government is equally devious. Other Governments provide universal health care for less by eliminating all unnecessary middle men before patients reach the emergency room. No claims processing, no deductables, no billings. Oh, the horrors of Socialism, as if roads and schools are not. Only Shrub's brain could envision the emergency room as a solution for the uninsured.

Nutcase, do you believe that our heathcare system is a free market right now?

"Why are the Democrats always suffering from a vacuum of leadership?"

Asks someone who voted for Bush.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2007-10-19 01:45 PM | Reply

Bobby get's the "Knee Jerk of the Day" award. No matter what, the automatic reply is somehow to blame Bush.

Knock-Knock-Knock Bobby. If people voted for such a lousy candidate as Bush, they still thought he was the best alternative to the Democrat. It ain't Bush's fault that your party can only come up with hacks like Algore, Kerry and Hillary!

Here's a good breakdown of the parties.

Democrats: For less responsibility through more programs. Throw money at problems with no intent on fixing things, just keeping people in the same situation in order to win elections. It's never your fault if you fail and if you succeed you should feel really bad about the others that didn't

Republicans: For less government and more responsibility. Help out the poor through Charities and Churches and allow people to make their own path in life. It is entirely up to you if you succeed or if you fail.

Only Shrub's brain could envision the emergency room as a solution for the uninsured.

Posted by nutcase at 2007-10-19 02:47 PM |

I guess it was to much expecting you to know how the current program is flawed. Since you and danni refused to rebutt my earlier post, how can you want to expand this when 60% don't even bother to sign up? Explain how this expansion won't garner the same results? You want to go from six million to twelve million? At least Bush's brain was able to see through this failed political folly. Hell he even told these idiots he would veto.

I got no reply, so I'll ask again.

If a majority of the republicans supported the bill and all the democrats, there are more than enough to override a presidential veto. So the bill becomes a law, right?

What is the problem? The kids will be safe, y'all!

Sadly the vast majority of Americans believe the notion that the government can give them something for nothing. The folly of democracy is, when you have an ignorant, lazy populous with it's hand out, they vote for whoever promises them the most for nothing. The vast majority of Americans are not concerned with things like facts or figures, just what can I get my hands on without paying for it directly. They're too brainwashed to realize that they pay more to have the government do things than they ever would pay in a free market.

Posted by the_nether at 2007-10-19 02:40 PM


That's a great summation. And you didn't need a PHD (Piled Higher and Deeper) to do it.

I award you an honorary PHD, though = (Practicing Honesty Directly).

""Republicans: For less government and more responsibility. Help out the poor through Charities and Churches and allow people to make their own path in life. It is entirely up to you if you succeed or if you fail.""

Or

Republicans: Hate American people while blviating about patriotism, the flag, etc. Morons who prefer to waste hundreds of billions of dollars while kids go without health care.

Explain how this expansion won't garner the same results?

Well then if no one will sign up, whats the problem?

Americans don't think they can have something for nothing, they just think that since they are already paying almost twice what any other country pays for health care that they ought to actually get some health care. Americans are realizing that patriotism isn't dependent upon insurance company profits. Americans just don't believe the old bull shit any more. The corporations will have to think up new lies to convince Americans to continue letting themselves be ripped off.

Explain how this expansion won't garner the same results?

Well then if no one will sign up, whats the problem?

Posted by 726 at 2007-10-19 03:04 PM |

That has to qualify as the stupidest post of the day.

If a majority of the republicans supported the bill and all the democrats, there are more than enough to override a presidential veto. So the bill becomes a law, right?

No because a simple majority won't override a veto.

""Well then if no one will sign up, whats the problem?""

Actually a pretty sharp comment.

Danni:

Assuming an even congress

all democrats = 50%
majority republicans = (at least) 25%

50% + 25% = 75%

a 2/3 majority is needed.

3/4 > 2/3

What's wrong with my math, Danni?

Americans don't think they can have something for nothing, they just think that since they are already paying almost twice what any other country pays for health care that they ought to actually get some health care.

Posted by danni at 2007-10-19 03:06 PM

Maybe your friends should stop smoking, stop abusing drugs and alcohol, cut down on fats, exercise....Maybe then the healthcare costs would go down for them. Of course most people have insurance through their employers. So as usual your bullshit about getting something for nothing makes no sense. It does prove Lou Dobbs post. To bad you can't see that.

Republicans: Hate American people while blviating about patriotism, the flag, etc. Morons who prefer to waste hundreds of billions of dollars while kids go without health care.

Posted by danni at 2007-10-19 03:04 PM |


You forgot to add while killing innocents for this presidents amusement.

Even a slim majority of Republicans supported the bill.

I re-read your post Danni. Perhaps you were referring to non-congressional republicans? If so, my bad. I understand.

""Well then if no one will sign up, whats the problem?""

Actually a pretty sharp comment.

Posted by danni at 2007-10-19 03:08 PM

Second stupidest comment of the day....Only an idiot would condone a program where 60% don't use it. How does expanding it with more money help the cause? How does that close the gap of those who have signed on? Incredible!!!!

"What's wrong with my math, Danni?"

Not your math, I misread a web site. It said a majority of Republicans, not Republican Congressmen. My bad.

""You forgot to add while killing innocents for this presidents amusement.""

Well, you can add that if you want but I hear a Congressman got quite a bit of criticism for saying that, but hey, if you say so the it's fine with me.

Bush a sack of crap.

News at 11.

That has to qualify as the stupidest post of the day.

Again, if no one will sign up for the program why are all you righties shitting a brick over it?

If you are too stupid to answer the question I guess all you can do is attack like a good little monkey.

Here have a banana.

Only an idiot would condone a program where 60% don't use it.

You got facts to back up the 60%. I would be interested to see them.

"Republicans: Hate American people while blviating about patriotism, the flag, etc. Morons who prefer to waste hundreds of billions of dollars while kids go without health care."

Yeah Danni, all Republicans want to do is go home at night and basicly whipe my ass with Ben Franklin's and dream of ways to screw kids out of health care.

These kids do not have to go without healthcare. If a family income is arround $65k, then the parents can afford to pay for it.

Again, if no one will sign up for the program why are all you righties shitting a brick over it?

Posted by 726 at 2007-10-19 03:35 PM

I guess calling someone an idiot was an understatement. Under yours and dannis thinking it is allright to spend another $35 billion for a program that nobody uses. Way to display your intelligence for all to see.

spend another $35 billion for a program that nobody uses.

Hey dipshit, if no one uses it, the cost won't go up.

BTW got the facts for that 60% figure you are taunting?

If a family income is arround $65k, then the parents can afford to pay for it.

Jesus, I wish you righties get your talking points straight. First it's $80,000 now it is $65,000. Which is it?

Hopefully, once the political uproar has died down, both the Pres and the Congressional leadership will work together to arrive at a compromise bill which expands coverage to children not currently receiving it. My concern is that given the volatile rhetoric involved, one side or another may find it advantageous to not agree to any compromise before next election day.

Republicans: Hate American people while blviating about patriotism, the flag, etc. Morons who prefer to waste hundreds of billions of dollars while kids go without health care.

Posted by danni


Danni,

I thought that CHIP was created under a Republican majority Congress. And it works. Kids are getting Medial Care. There is plenty of money to fill the current needs. Things need to change at the State level (Medicaid) to make the money work better.

Danni, you want socialized medicine. Case is shut on that idea. So you act stupid and say that Republicans hate children in defence of your undying attempt at convincing the world that government-led medical care is better.

It's not!

What we should do is to use the money that's available now to buy private medical insurance for those who need it.

Medicaid for children is a joke! Back in 2002, I lost my job and my insuarnce and then ultimately put my kids on CHIP. It was an extremely easy process. But, when it came time to get care, there were a few pediatricians in all of Denver who took Medicaid. Plus it took forever to get an appointment. We ended up in the emergency room a couple of times because we could not get in to see a regular doctor.

Medicaid sucks!!! Luckly, I was back to work only after a year. I was motivated to better myself and get a better job.

If the government simply paid a premium to private insurance, we would have been in better hands and it would have cost the government less money. It's just too simply to comprehend.

So, Danni, it's socialized medicine, but within an industry that is already built and ready to do business. And it's a industry that works!

If a family income is arround $65k, then the parents can afford to pay for it.

Jesus, I wish you righties get your talking points straight. First it's $80,000 now it is $65,000. Which is it?


Posted by 726


It probably becomes less affordable at $55K

BTW got the facts for that 60% figure you are taunting?

Posted by 726 at 2007-10-19 03:43 PM

What's the matter? To much effort to do your own search?

spend another $35 billion for a program that nobody uses.

Hey dipshit, if no one uses it, the cost won't go up.

BTW got the facts for that 60% figure you are taunting?

Posted by 726 at 2007-10-19 03:43 PM |


Some people will never "get it". The above is one of them.

What's the matter? To much effort to do your own search?

Translation: I was full of shit and cannot find any facts to back up my bullshit claim.

Oh look, another right wing retard to chime in with their "facts".

You really are quite humorous.

Translation: I was full of shit and cannot find any facts to back up my bullshit claim.

Posted by 726 at 2007-10-19 03:56 PM

Transaltion... I am to stupid to do a simple search. Or to lazy. You must be a Democrat.

So now we have $80,000, $65,000 and now $55,000.

You guys really need to get your "facts" straight.

Lou Dobbs cries for somethiing to be done about the illegal immigration problem and blames predominately the Bush administration.

Meanwhile Dems write legislation in the Schip to cover Illegal aliens, increase the defintion of KID's to include adults up to the age of 25 and increase the defintion of poor to mean 400 percent of poverty level.

When Lou starts taking Dems to task with equal zeal maybe then I'll entertain him as an independant.

If the search is so simple, you back up your claim.

But oh, you can't because you are full of shit.

Shep,

The limit is 300% of Federal Poverty Level. For a family of four it is around $56,000. Make sure you guys right that down for future use.

Suck on that.

www.heritage.org


The Heritage Foundation? Your fucking kidding right?

Hey dipshit, if no one uses it, the cost won't go up.

You are quite naive in the ways of beurocracies.

Hey dipshit, if no one uses it, the cost won't go up.

You are quite naive in the ways of beurocracies.

Posted by goatman at 2007-10-19 04:05 PM


You cynical rich bastard. You don't give a shit who dies. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Suck on that.

www.heritage.org


The Heritage Foundation? Your fucking kidding right?

Posted by 726


Why? It's pretty close to telling the truth.

SCHIP is, indeed, welfare for the wealthy.

If the search is so simple, you back up your claim.

But oh, you can't because you are full of shit.

Posted by 726 at 2007-10-19 04:02 PM

That was tough to find. Even a moron could have done it. Seems to me you have your head up your ass and can't contain yourself calling others full of shit.




How is SCHIP helping children?

A look at the numbers shows just how successful SCHIP has been in the past 10 years...

6 million children enrolled over the course of a year.
4.1 million children enrolled in June 2007.

...but also how far we still must go to achieve affordable coverage for all:

9 million children are still uninsured.
The White House estimates that 1.1 million currently uninsured children are eligible for SCHIP or Medicaid...
...But the Congressional Budget Office estimates that 5 million to 6 million currently uninsured children are eligible for SCHIP or Medicaid.

Hey dipshit, if no one uses it, the cost won't go up.

You are quite naive in the ways of beurocracies.

Posted by goatman at 2007-10-19 04:05 PM


You cynical rich bastard. You don't give a shit who dies. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Posted by Lou_Dobbs


Lou, that's right. That's what he meant. How 'bout you reading his response and actually comprehending it before responding.

But, he's right. Not many people will be using the new access to Medicaid to replace the insurance that they have now.

9 million children are still uninsured.

I prefer to force parents to buy insurance for their kids if they can afford it. Most of us agree that we should not be paying for deadbeat parents.

It was sarcasm Lastamerican.

Sounded just like a dem though, eh?

If I knew posting numbers from the CBO would shut 726 up, I would have done it much earlier and saved some here from having to read his crap. My apologies.

crispee

Of course most people have insurance through their employers.

20 years ago, maybe, but not today. Fewer and fewer employers are including HMOs as part of their benefits plans. Fewer still are actually offering true health insurance that doesn't allow a 20 year old sitting in Omaha to determine whether or not they will pay a portion of your health care.

Luckily, my family is one of the lucky few that have 100% of our necessary medical care paid for as part of my employment (now, if I could only get the same for dental).

It was sarcasm Lastamerican.

Posted by Lou_Dobbs at 2007-10-19 04:24 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Sounded just like a dem though, eh?

Posted by Lou_Dobbs



LOL! oops.

Luckily, my family is one of the lucky few that have 100% of our necessary medical care paid for as part of my employment (now, if I could only get the same for dental).

Posted by Unbiased_Voter


I can see why you are unbiased.

Yeah, but the GWOT deployments sometimes make me wonder if I'm actually paying for those benefits in blood, sweat, and time away from my family.

Second stupidest comment of the day....Only an idiot would condone a program where 60% don't use it. How does expanding it with more money help the cause? How does that close the gap of those who have signed on? Incredible!!!!

Posted by crispee_oc at 2007-10-19 03:15 PM | Reply |

Based on experience I'd suggest you tread lightly. Your typical line of debate is that of Drama, and today it is one of fact, and thats working for you.

Logical, reasonable, unbiased original conclusions however are not your forte as far as I can tell. The above is evidence as I could think up at least 2 or 3 ways more money and expanding the program could cause those some 60% to be reduced and sign on. And given that as far as I've read on here, you haven't offered up any reasons as to why these 60% haven't signed up, would seem not to support your subsequent conclusions. Programs can be changed, they are not written in stone. The whole purpose of reauthorization is to hammer out such problems.

My read on all of this is that the Dems overreached here. And the repubs rightfully so are putting an end to it. But at the same time, I don't see the repubs putting up a better version of what by most accounts is a good program. This is bullshit politics on both sides, and sadly its on something important. The repubs all too happy to let them eat dick as do nothings, the dems all too happy to keep slamming them as not wanting healthcare for the children. I couldn't even make up this level of horseshit.

******If a family income is arround $65k, then the parents can afford to pay for it.

Jesus, I wish you righties get your talking points straight. First it's $80,000 now it is $65,000. Which is it?


Posted by 726 ******

.......its different in each state.....its calculated on the cost of living........

.........the highest is NY, but for many its in the 30-50k range.........

............why does Bush hate children..?.......

............why does Bush hate children..?.......

Posted by skizziks at 2007-10-19 06:59 PM


Because they don't taste like chicken.

And you try to act like you know everything. Gessshhh

Kids, good news, you don't have to go to the doctor and get a shot.
So you can go with us to the store so we can get the 47" plasma TV.

Danni you are a pathedic tool.

SCHIP is, indeed, welfare for the wealthy.

So now $55,000 for a family of four is wealhty?


Holy shit I must be a fucking multi billionaire.

Danni you are a pathedic tool

Said the fucking pathetic tool.

It wasn't for "kinda rich children" The families it would have helped are struggling. Also many pre-existing conditions prevent them from buying insurance at all, this would have helped those folks.

No one in America lacks for healthcare. Quit trying to buy votes by redistributing other peoples money.

Why doesn't your leadership suggest taking 1 billion from the rockefeller trust(made from oil money) and 1 billion from the Kennedy trust(made from bootlegging whiskey) and redistrubute that?

.......its different in each state.....its calculated on the cost of living........

.........the highest is NY, but for many its in the 30-50k range.........

I knew that, but I wanted to see if they did. Obviously Rush did not inform them of the facts.

Just more right wing tools. It is so easy to pound the shit out of them it is almost laffable.

726 why did you say that about danni?

726 how can a fucking number be anything but a tool? Someone who identifies themselves with a number is a government slave.

Quit trying to buy votes by redistributing other peoples money

You mean like buying votes by waging war on brown skinned people?

726 how can a fucking number be anything but a tool?

Say what you will, but with a name like yours, you are a slave to hate. How can you be anything else?

No one in America lacks for healthcare. Quit trying to buy votes by redistributing other peoples money.

Why doesn't your leadership suggest taking 1 billion from the rockefeller trust(made from oil money) and 1 billion from the Kennedy trust(made from bootlegging whiskey) and redistrubute that?

Posted by slicksterWilly at 2007-10-19 08:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Redistribution?

You might want to watch what you wish for.

If not for the blue state tax dollars being unfairly redistributed to the welfare red states, many would lose their double-wides.

Programs can be changed, they are not written in stone. The whole purpose of reauthorization is to hammer out such problems.

The repubs all too happy to let them eat dick as do nothings, the dems all too happy to keep slamming them as not wanting healthcare for the children. I couldn't even make up this level of horseshit.

Posted by KnightHawk at 2007-10-19 06:19 PM |

You are making this up and the only horseshit is spewing from your mouth. The fact is you trolled around 6:19 and never bothered to follow the arguement. Yet you decided to prove your worth by posting something which had nothing to do with my point. Hell even 726 finally got it and moved on.I guess you beleive all the rhetoric being spit out by Dems and like a good little sheep will defend their lies. I will try and dumb it down for you next time so you can keep up.

If not for the blue state tax dollars being unfairly redistributed to the welfare red states, many would lose their double-wides.
With the exception of Calf, why are the blue states lilly white? Are they racist, why don't the minorities move there? Since minorities make up a disporportionate share of the welfare receipients, If they moved to the blue states, what would you say then. Would they suddenly have jobs? Or is the idea to keep property and local taxes high, so they can't afford to "blemish" the neighborhoods?

If not for the blue state tax dollars being unfairly redistributed to the welfare red states, many would lose their double-wides.
With the exception of Calf, why are the blue states lilly white? Are they racist, why don't the minorities move there? Since minorities make up a disporportionate share of the welfare receipients, If they moved to the blue states, what would you say then. Would they suddenly have jobs? Or is the idea to keep property and local taxes high, so they can't afford to "blemish" the neighborhoods?

726,

you must have missed my post on 3:59pm about all the figures being right in their own way.

.......its different in each state.....its calculated on the cost of living........

.........the highest is NY, but for many its in the 30-50k range.........

sorry, as someone who's lived in NY, 60k (or even 80k) does NOT mean "wealthy families". Paying 2k or 2500/month just for rent, and combined with Federal, State, and City taxes (and 9% sales tax) 80k for a family of 4 is extremely difficult. the cost of living is more than double what it is elsewhere in the country, wish the righties would keep that in mind when ranting against this program...

"Actually the swiftboat ads never lied."

LOL

What is your definition of truth???

If Congress were actually wanting to do good rather than make asenine manuvers that fool the American people into voting them in, then they would want to make Medicaid better.

How about taking the funds that Medicaid uses to pay for medical costs directly and buy health insurance premiums from private insurance. If that were available before, this little girl would not only be saved, but she would get much better health care.

Most doctors don't take Medicaid. What's worse is that the doctors who do take it now are dropping it. Why? Because it DOES NOT WORK!!!

And you fool assclown liberals want to double the money going into it now. idiots!

The problem is that Medicaid is like an insurance company. They give you an insurance card; you look for a doctor who takes it. Get the medical care. Then the doctor files the claim with Medicaid to get paid. Sometimes it takes up to 2 months to get paid from the government.

The government needs to get out of the business of being the insurance company and just be the benefactor and pay the insurance premium. Let the insurance companies do what they do best, manage medical costs.

Here's the great thing! The patient gets to select the insurance company.

Woohoo! now everyone's happy.

"Actually the swiftboat ads never lied."

LOL

What is your definition of truth???


Posted by Lisa


Lisa,
did you watch the ad? It's pathetic right?

It plays on ignorance doesn't.

Is this what you call swiftboating? At least the swiftboat ads did not lie.

Why don't you just answer the question, Lisa.

Oh Lisa.....

"It plays on ignorance doesn't."
Posted by LastAmerican

Ya gotta love the self-retorting retort.

Lisa,
I must have just missed you last night. Any fricken tornadoes heading your way? BTW it is about 9:15 here and it loooks like it will be about 85 and clear. When are you going to come out here and get away from all those storms? PS. You can still see the Pack in So Cal.

"It plays on ignorance doesn't."
Posted by LastAmerican

Ya gotta love the self-retorting retort.

Posted by Danforth


ROFL!!! Funny flag.

Never seen a Retort that said self-retorting actually BE self-retorting itself.

LOL!!! Good one Danforth (dum-dum), sorry it's at your expense.

How 'bout answering my educated my educated posts. LOL!!

LISA.... echo... echo... echo...


Denforth, maybe you could answer it.

What if we took the current budget in CHIP and bought health insurance policies for those kids?

Woulf that be too much charity for someone as "Progressive" as you?

1If weren't on a wild goose chase in Iraq. every man woman and child would insured. Nobody ever wants to say the truth that poor health is far more likely to kill you than a terrorist. I am currently uninsured until my new companies insurance kicks in and I had to get two scripts filled. By the time the doctors appt and scripts were paid I was out 300 bucks. Had I been insured I would have been out 50 at most.

1If weren't on a wild goose chase in Iraq. every man woman and child would insured.

Posted by byrdman


Byrd, I would love to not have to pay insurance premiums either, but sad to say this would constitute socialized medicine and that just ain't going to happen no matter how much money we have to spend on it.

By the time the doctors appt and
scripts were paid I was out 300 bucks.
Had I been insured I would have been out
50 at most.
Posted by byrdman

And you want me (the tax payer) to pay for it?

Here's a clue... Go out and buy health insurance. If you can't afford it, then get a Medicaid card.

"Why don't you just answer the question, Lisa."

I took my son to lunch, is that ok with you? I didn't realize that I had to be glued to this site like you are.

Anyone who believes the Swiftboat ads were truthful, is NOT worth the time and energy that would be wasted discussing anything regarding "truth" vs "lies".

"Lisa,
I must have just missed you last night. Any fricken tornadoes heading your way? BTW it is about 9:15 here and it loooks like it will be about 85 and clear. When are you going to come out here and get away from all those storms? PS. You can still see the Pack in So Cal."

Hello sweetie! No tornadoes by my house! Except the little guy of course!!


I watch the Pack every week, honey...webtv!!

The only way I would move to CA is if you promise to cook every day for me.

I took my son to lunch, is that ok with you? I didn't realize that I had to be glued to this site like you are.

*grin* sorry.

The only way I would move to CA is if you promise to cook every day for me.

Posted by Lisa at 2007-10-20 01:04 PM

That would be a given. Although in the past it has always become a strain. Usually it is my fault someone gained 10 lbs in the first month. Of course I would always tell them I will make anything you want. But somehow I would magically force them to eat my high fat, high calorie meals. I guess it doesn't help trying to keep up with someone who has to eat 5000 calories a day in order to maintain the same weight. The only consolation for being a little high strung.

Anyone who believes the Swiftboat ads were truthful, is NOT worth the time and energy that would be wasted discussing anything regarding "truth" vs "lies".

ok Lisa,

Nice dodge. I retract on the swiftboat lie thing.

Now you want to answer the question?

"That would be a given."

Right. I can't even get you to return an email! lol
Besides, I really don't need the extra calories. You consume 5000 daily?? WOW! Lucky man! Think of all the chocolate you can eat...lol!

Lisa,

What do you think about having Medicaid pay for health insurance premiums for kids?

"And you want me (the tax payer) to pay for it?

"Here's a clue... Go out and buy health insurance. If you can't afford it, then get a Medicaid card".

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-10-20 12:58 PM

Possibly one of the funniest self-retorting retorts ever!

Hans

LastAmerican:

Really, I have nothing to say to you. I laughed at a ridiculous statement you made. That was the extent of my discussion with you. I don't find you civil, honest or worth the energy. Jeff J....yes. You, no.

Now, kindly stop trying to ask my opinion on anything. You really aren't interested to begin with.

"And you want me (the tax payer) to pay for it?

"Here's a clue... Go out and buy health insurance. If you can't afford it, then get a Medicaid card".

Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-10-20 12:58 PM

Possibly one of the funniest self-retorting retorts ever!

Hans

Posted by Hans


Why?

It forces him to buy health insurance unless he can't afford it and there are government programs to help him if he can't.

jealous you didn't think of it?

ROFL

"I don't find you civil, honest or worth the energy."

As always Lisa is succinct, honest, and to the point.

Bravo!

Hans

Really, I have nothing to say to you. I laughed at a ridiculous statement you made. That was the extent of my discussion with you. I don't find you civil, honest or worth the energy. Jeff J....yes. You, no.

Now, kindly stop trying to ask my opinion on anything. You really aren't interested to begin with.

Posted by Lisa


Sorry Lisa, but I thought as much. You are just too Liberal to talk to me. :) Snub your nose at the conservative.

I have not attacked you. You called me on something and I retracted. Who's not playing fair now?

Why you won't answer my question? Because it is conservative and it makes more sense that the lies being put out by the low-class failed Congress that you voted in.

You're just a coward, Lisa.

Any Liberals on this thread have the spin to talk about it? Or you just want to hurl insults from the corner.

I thought as much.

Hans,
I'm waiting to discuss a remedy to the CHIP program with you. You game?

Hans,
I'm waiting to discuss a remedy to the CHIP program with you. You game?

Posted by LastAmerican


another coward runs away. Dang!

"Sorry Lisa, but I thought as much. You are just too Liberal to talk to me. :) Snub your nose at the conservative."

You might want to tell that to Crispee, Jeff J., and a couple of other folks who are conservatives.

"I have not attacked you. You called me on something and I retracted. Who's not playing fair now?"

You don't truly believe that the Swiftboat ads were lies. That was simply a tactic to pacify me...to attempt to suck me into a discussion. Intellectual dishonesty doesn't fly with me.

"Why you won't answer my question? Because it is conservative and it makes more sense that the lies being put out by the low-class failed Congress that you voted in."

You are not interested in an honest conversation, that's why.

Your prejudgement of how I voted is further example of why it is senseless to get into a conversation with you. I don't belong to the republican party therefore, I MUST have voted for the "low - class failed Congress" you so impartially mentioned.

You're just a coward, Lisa."

Whatever.

I will not be baited. Nor will I respond to you any further.

And you want me (the tax payer) to pay for it?

Here's a clue... Go out and buy health insurance. If you can't afford it, then get a Medicaid card.

Posted by LastAmerican


You Jerk,

I can't get private health insurance because pvt insurance will not insure somebody with pre-existing conditions. I am willing to pay a reasonable monthly premium but get rejected. You obviously know little to nothing of the health insurance industry. You seem to be a typical greedy rethug who only cares about lining his own pockets.

"I will not be baited. Nor will I respond to you any further."

Again, Bravo! Lisa!!!

Hans

LastAmerican one day you will get your just desserts. Karma has a way of coming back on everyone. You'll need a hand and none will be there to help you because you never helped a person a day in your life.

Hi Hans....and thank you.

How are You?

"He is like the little coward at school who hits you from behind and then runs away claiming victory."

One word....Horace.

Leave Lastamerican alone. He has a lot to worry about these days. His son/daughter/nephew/neighbor is in the Army/Marines/Air Force/Coast Guard and is serving in Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan/Pakistan and the pressure is tremendous.

"How are You?"

Doing GREAT today, Lisa. A couple of good radio shows this morning, now just relaxing on a beautiful Saturday afternoon.

I trust all is will in your life.

Hans

will=well

"Leave Lastamerican alone."

I am. And I'd prefer he didn't address me.

"Leave Lastamerican alone. He has a lot to worry about these days. His son/daughter/nephew/neighbor is in the Army/Marines/Air Force/Coast Guard and is serving in Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan/Pakistan and the pressure is tremendous."

Oh, now that is just way too funny!!!!!!

Hans

"I trust all is will in your life."

Couldn't be better! Thank you.

You might want to tell that to Crispee, Jeff J., and a couple of other folks who are conservatives

Posted by Lisa at 2007-10-20 02:01 PM

I have no problem admitting Lisa is by far my favorite person who is not a rightwing, proud to be an infidel, neocon, chickenhawk.

You Jerk,

I can't get private health insurance because pvt insurance will not insure somebody with pre-existing conditions. I am willing to pay a reasonable monthly premium but get rejected. You obviously know little to nothing of the health insurance industry. You seem to be a typical greedy rethug who only cares about lining his own pockets.

Posted by byrdman



Finally! Someone who wants to talk about it.

Byrd, sorry for the insult. Lisa did call me on it. I am rude and seemingly disingenuous, but I am really passionate about the issue of health care.

I know a great deal about the health insurance industry. I've worked for a doctor doing medical billing for a few years and I know that the private insurance companies can do a much much better job than the government.

Private Insurance companies are in the business of making money. Governments are not. Insurance companies watch costs in order to make money. Governments watch costs in order to increase their budget, they are not motivated to cut costs.

Insurance Companies make it their business to understand the medical field in order to make good decisions before paying a claim. They are constantly asking the question, What does this procedure really cost? If they are too low, they get in trouble, loose premiums, customers, government slaps them. If they pay too much, they loose money.

Governments are not motivated to be that interested in what medical care really costs.

This is why you are seeing SCHIP skyrocket in cost and there is equivalent value seen in the market.


I would like to see the government pay for your private insurance premium before you going out and getting a Medicaid card. Even better, I would like to see government force insurance companies to make private insurance affordable to people with pre-existing conditions.

"He is like the little coward at school who hits you from behind and then runs away claiming victory."

One word....Horace.

Posted by Lisa


Actually Lisa, he was talking about Hans.

"I have no problem admitting Lisa is by far my favorite person who is not a rightwing, proud to be an infidel, neocon, chickenhawk."

There ya have it! And thanks Crispee!! I feel the same about you!!

Can you believe that?? ME....snub my nose at someone because they are a conservative??? LOL

Remember Dr.Knowitall?? You couldn't get more conservative and he ended up to be a very close friend of mine.

Some people just have a habit of shooting off their mouths before they make sure their brains are loaded!!

Now Crisp...you owe me an email or phone call!!!

Leave Lastamerican alone. He has a lot to worry about these days. His son/daughter/nephew/neighbor is in the Army/Marines/Air Force/Coast Guard and is serving in Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan/Pakistan and the pressure is tremendous.

Posted by reinheitsgebot


That's right. He's deployed and I think of him every day protecting people like you.

I hope you feel good about yourself.

Lisa, is this the kind of civil behavior you're talking about?

It's ok for Libs to behave this way, but no one else? A little hypocracy here? Lisa? I retracted. I acknowledged your comments about me. I'm just calling you on it. And again you are the coward. And Hans is the little kid on the playground who hits you from behind and runs and hides. Classic.

"Actually Lisa, he was talking about Hans."

Who was talking about me?

Hans

Hans,

Again, you want to discuss it or just bring the thread to it's knees making it a cock waving contest. LOL. what a little prick.

Now Crisp...you owe me an email or phone call!!!

Posted by Lisa at 2007-10-20 02:20 PM

I am sure I owe you at least a couple. Sorry for being a space cadet. As for now, her highness is pawing at me which means I have a duty. So I will check up with you later bella.

crispee

"Actually Lisa, he was talking about Hans."

Who was talking about me?

Hans

Posted by Hans


ROFL!!!

OMG, that's funny.

"And Hans is the little kid on the playground who hits you from behind and runs and hides. Classic."

Which makes those I supposedly "hit," what? Kids on the playground, too?

Kind of hard to call it "run and hide" when I'm here, posting.

Classic.

Hans

"ROFL!!!

"OMG, that's funny."

Translation: "I can't say who "he" was so I'll just laugh like a lunatic."

Hans

keep running like a little Hanster. It's funny.

Another thread bites the dust.

Thanks Hans.

"And Hans is the little kid on the playground who hits you from behind and runs and hides. Classic."

Which makes those I supposedly "hit," what? Kids on the playground, too?

Kind of hard to call it "run and hide" when I'm here, posting.

Classic.

Hans

Posted by Hans



uh.... (no you're not)

You are behaving like the little kid on the playground who runs up behind someone hits them in the back and then runs and hides.

I asked you to discuss how the CHIP program could be made better with a more conservative plan.

Lisa...

echo... echo... echo...

See what you did Hans. You made all the other smart people go away. It's just me left.

Dang it!

"It's just me left."

A mother was consoling her daughter after her breakup from her fifth boyfriend in as many months. Seems that the daughter was always falling in love, only to have her boyfriends leave after only a month or two. The daughter couldn't figure out what was wrong with all those men.

The mother, being a very wise person, said to her daughter: "My dear, have you ever thought about the fact that the one common denominator in all your failed relationships is you?

Hans,

Ouch.

You're still here though. Hugs?

:)

Wow

Veto a program that costs less per YEAR for 10 million AMERICAN kids than we spend in Iraq in THREE WEEKS.

Americanunity,

you think socialized medicine is a good idea?

Wow

Veto a program that costs less per YEAR for 10 million AMERICAN kids than we spend in Iraq in THREE WEEKS.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY


I know. Congress needs to put a stop to that.

"Lisa...

echo... echo... echo..."

Good grief, you are annoying! Please. Stop.

Lisa,

I came back to see if you wanted to play nice. I guess not. You are the perfect prude who sits in observation then pitches in crap whenever she thinks it's safe.

Well, I called you on it and you behaved as predicted, cowardly.

If you believe that the swiftboating of Kerry was inappropriate, then sorry. That's politics. It was done without any lies.

However, you prefer to believe the lies about Republicans coming from Moveon.org. Shame on you for turning your back on helpless children!!! Moveon.org and the Democrats in Congress don't want to help children!!! They want the White House and they are using poor children to do it.

Shame on you!!!!

At least the swiftboaters told the truth!

At least the swiftboaters told the truth!

Posted by LastAmerican


And good thing too. If not, we'd have bombs blowing up in the streets of America.

"Lisa,

I came back to see if you wanted to play nice. I guess not. You are the perfect prude who sits in observation then pitches in crap whenever she thinks it's safe.

Well, I called you on it and you behaved as predicted, cowardly.

If you believe that the swiftboating of Kerry was inappropriate, then sorry. That's politics. It was done without any lies.

However, you prefer to believe the lies about Republicans coming from Moveon.org. Shame on you for turning your back on helpless children!!! Moveon.org and the Democrats in Congress don't want to help children!!! They want the White House and they are using poor children to do it.

Shame on you!!!!"

I don't know how else to put it to you...you seem to lack the ability to understand the written word, but I'll try one more time:

You're a tool. Your only purpose here is to antagonize, insult, and stir the pot. You are dishonest and have no visiable sign of intelligence. Your mind reading abilites, your people reading skills are quite lacking. Your entire post that I have quoted is pure bullshit, like everything else you put up on this site and should not be dignified with any type of explaination or thought provoking response.

Simply put, you're an idiot.

Can I make it any clearer for you? Do you now understand that I have NO desire to have a discussion with you on ANY issue??

Good grief...try and have some kind of self respect to stop yourself from rejection and stop trying to bait me.

Lisa,

It's obvious you haven't listened to a word I said. You refused to read my posts above because you write this.

At least I read your posts.

All of the posts that you've written come a person who is either a dry drunk or someone who has been kicked around so damn much that they will lash out at anyone. Just sits in the corner where she thinks she safe and throws crap as people walk by.

You're a pathetic coward Lisa.

A tool? So are you dumass!

Can I make it clearer for you?

Don't make cowardly comments then run and hide, loser.

My god, don't try and bait someone into insulting you so badly. Do you enjoy being beat up online?

I forgot to add you lack originality.

You're a moron. Good luck with that.

I forgot to add you lack originality.

You're a moron. Good luck with that.


Posted by Lisa


tit4tat

A moron just kicked your ass intellectually, Lisa

The first step is admitting you have a problem.

I hate to keep ranting but this is kind of crap that's the big gorilla in the room everywhere you go. People just don't talk about politics because emotional scenes like this one are displayed.

Guess what Lisa, We're on an anonymous board where these things are discussed!

This IS the appropriate forum.

Just because I don't agree with you?

what a Moveon.org tool!!!

A tool? So are you dumass!


Priceless.

So...remember when you said your son was in Iraq, then it became he is GOING to be in iraq, and now you don't talk about it at all?
Good times!

Hans- Was lastamericunt the one that admitted being a bush voter after lying about being a nader guy?(besides tadowe of course)

Or was that Bowa?

All the propagandists smell alike to me.

a problem?

This is a place to vent. An anonymous, monitored place to vent and to debat the issues of the day. Sometimes, things get out of hand and if they do, RCade handles it and he's done a great job.

A problem? What is it?

I'm too conservative? LOL!!!

Ah, I see he DID indeed lie about who he voted for. Nice archiving, hans.

Incognito approved.

Hi Alex!

Forget him. Personally, he reminds me of Horace the way he baited you into a debate then would claim victory when it was clear he couldn't hold a candle to the one he thought he outsmarted.

LastAmerican is an idiot and doesn't have a clue about what he is talking about, much less knowing anything about the ones he wants to lure into his madness.

You called yourself a moron, last...I was merely agreeing with you, and adding the old cliche: the first step is admitting your problem.

Good luck.

Lisa,

I properly challenged you to debate on the CHIP issue earlier and you refused, hiding in the corner hurling insults.

There was nothing I did to threaten you until you insulted me one too many times.

Sorry about the dry drunk thing. That was a little personal. But you should get some help with that.

I do know what I'm talking about the Libs using poor children to gain power and it's pathetic. There is a better way to handle the problem, but that would take away power from the Dems.

I think it's too conservative for you and you can't stand it so you insult me instead.

You called yourself a moron, last...I was merely agreeing with you, and adding the old cliche: the first step is admitting your problem.

Good luck.

Posted by Alexandrite


Alex, I remember stuff like this in Jr High School...

My God man, pick your battles.

I do know what I'm talking about the Libs using poor children to gain power and it's pathetic.

yeah, cuz bush never surrounded himself with children every fucking time he tlaks about stem cells...

Both parties do it. ya partisan hacks.

"Lisa,

I properly challenged you to debate on the CHIP issue earlier and you refused, hiding in the corner hurling insults.

There was nothing I did to threaten you until you insulted me one too many times.

Sorry about the dry drunk thing. That was a little personal. But you should get some help with that."

Good grief you're an asshole.

I won't debate you because you lie and couldn't produce an honest argument.

I didn't care for Horace, and I don't care for you.

The similarities are staggering.

I won't debate you because you lie and couldn't produce an honest argument.

Posted by Lisa


Are you talking about my son in Iraq? That's pathetic Lisa.

Why do you think I would lie about something like that?

Think about what it's like to worry about someone each and every day. You have a son...

be well.

Good grief you're an asshole.
Posted by Lisa


Good grief, you're an asshole too!

"Are you talking about my son in Iraq?"

I should have also added that I won't debate you because you put words into other posters mouths.

1. I am not a democrat.

2. I do not believe Moveon.org because I have no idea what they say.....I NEVER go there.

3. You claim I snub my nose at conservatives, which is a blatant lie.

4. You consistantly attatch a stance to me when you have no idea what my stance is on any given issue.

Those few things have turned me off today alone.

Your son, was never mentioned by me. Yet, your sick, twisted little mind wants to create drama by attempting to assign me to something I have never even mentioned.

Now, leave me alone you sick fuck.

"Why do you think I would lie about something like that?

"Think about what it's like to worry about someone each and every day."

It appears that there's been a real sea change here.

On March 5th it was:

Your son, was never mentioned by me.

it was mentioned on this thread.



You can leave at any time.

No one is forcing you to stay!

What a stupid bitch.

She sits there and hurls insults, then complains that someone is not leaving her alone!!!

Are you just stupid?

It seems that you attracted abuse!

"Hans- Was lastamericunt the one that admitted being a bush voter after lying about being a nader guy?(besides tadowe of course)

"Or was that Bowa?

"All the propagandists smell alike to me."

Understandable, Alex.

I'll see what I can find.

Hans

Alex did not say that on this thread.

Lastmoron:

I'm done with you. You have given me much to laugh about today. Now, I'm expecting company....you'll have to create lies and drama about someone else.

Hans,

I hope that a terrorist's IED blows up beside your Saab.

It would be fitting.

I'm done with you.
Posted by Lisa


The coward runs away..... Again!

"Alex did not say that on this thread."

Oops:

Hans NEVER argues, just cuts and pastes.

Never offers anything to the subject, just attacks.

Attacks people who support the troops.

He's a terrorist himself.

That's why a terrorist's IED randomly blowing up beside his Saab would be fitting Karma.

"The coward runs away..... Again!"

There is a difference between running away and choosing not to get into a thought provoking discussion with someone who is a proven liar. There is nothing about you that I am afraid of.

And I can see you are not above wishing death to a poster who disagrees with you either. That does seem to be the standard for todays conservatives. You fit right in.

Now....company arrives shortly, and I need to wash away the bad experience of YOU.

I'm hoping tomorrow your ass is booted off for wanting Hans to die.

"I can see why you stay mostly online"

"I'm hoping tomorrow your ass is booted off for wanting Hans to die."

S'okay, Lisa.

It is no competition whatsoever.

Hope you have a GREAT evening!!!

Hans

With the exception of Calf, why are the blue states lilly white? Are they racist, why don't the minorities move there? Since minorities make up a disporportionate share of the welfare receipients, If they moved to the blue states, what would you say then. Would they suddenly have jobs? Or is the idea to keep property and local taxes high, so they can't afford to "blemish" the neighborhoods?

Posted by slicksterWilly at 2007-10-19 09:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

????

Are you seriously saying that Massachusetts is ore racist then the south?

LOL....Which side was it that fought to keep the minorities as slaves?

The problem I have with this bill is that some adults were being covered and some kids were not. Once a kid is out of high school (or old enough to be out of high school), they should not be covered under SCHIP. Kids should not be squeezed out of the program at the expense of adults as was done in NJ.

This could be a good bill to debate if;

#1 it had anything to do with childeren or
#2 it had anything to with insurance.