The Senator from Illinois speaks to the issues of equal justice, war and diplomacy, healthcare and education, poverty, the environment and our dependency on fossil fuels, oil money for terrorists. He speaks to the need for parents to step up to the plate and be responsible for their children. The crowd grows louder, more enthusiastic with each challenge for change. Obama slows the pace. "It won't be easy," he warns us. "I'm asking you to make the sacrifice...'cause none of it will come cheap...I'm asking you to make the hard choice...to be responsible...to hold your president and your government accountable..."

The roar of approval, sacrifice or no, is ear-splitting.

I still believe in raising hope over cynicism and in building stronger communities instead of tearing down the vestiges of shared responsibility first spoken about by JFK. Its very hard to read the paper or to surf the Internet without getting the nearly universal impression that Barack doesn't stand a chance in facing down the Hillary Clinton juggernaut. I still think such "conventional wisdom" might be premature.

Obama's ultimate success or lack thereof in gaining the support of Americans to his unique vision for a united future may lie in more people being exposed to the Barack seen by this author during one of his personal appearances instead of the one seen as lackluster during the debates.

Also can't wait to see how many people only read the teaser intro without actually perusing the entire article. Should be interesting.

The fix was already in.

It's going to be Hillary (a globalis)t vs. Mitt Romney (a globalist) who also plans on picking brother Jeb "Neocon PNAC signator" Bush to be his VP running mate

The elite and powers that be have already spoken. That is what they want and this is merely a charade.
Romney will win.

Romney is corporate America's golden boy so they have decided Romeny will win and keep the White House, INC. continuing on as it has been since 2002.
ALL the corporate globalists (including Hillary) will be happy.
Americans will be the loser.
Our votes mean nothing anymore.

There's your 2008 election results in a nutshell.

Hope not CC, we'll see soon enough....

Posted by tonyroma at 2007-10-10 03:21 PM | Reply |

I hope not either, Tony, but I'm afraid the deck has already been stacked.

I hope not either, Tony, but I'm afraid the deck has already been stacked.

Absolutely, but whatever the MSM can build, they can surely tear down with just as much furousity. All Obama needs to do is let America see who he really is without the filter of a biased MSM. He's got the money, I only hope he spends it wisely.

Here are some Helpful Hints for Obama.

Your help is not needed Corky. Read the story. Barack will and is doing fine on his own, but thanks anyway.

"That original draft, called "tantamount to a declaration of war" and "Dick Cheney's fondest pipe dream" by Senator Jim Webb of Virginia, was softened."

So she voted for it, then co-sponsored Webb's bill.


What Mo calls "opportunistic", someone who might actually be President, instead of just writing about it for sport, might call prudent.

Corky...

Please take your Clinton cheering to another thread. If you'd like to comment on the excitement surrounding Obama's appearance in SC, then feel free. I do not need to re-read things I already read each day.

We all get it: You're for Hillary! Bravo.

We're not for Hillary. Its America still, so we don't have to care what every other lemming tells the pollsters. You need to face one big fact that Hillary cannot change:

The Clinton saga, both of their own creation and that created by their detractors, cost the Democratic Party nationally for nearly a decade. So Bill won two elections, great. The Dems were relegated to minority status for 12 years because of the poisonous environment created by the Clinton hysteria. I, for one, do not care to revisit those days, and I pray that this nation's voters will become wise enough not to make the same brash decisions it made last decade. Let's leave the Clinton presidential machine in the 20th Century where it belongs. It already spawned Bush 43, so why should any rational person want Clinton 44 outside of a gut-slick marketing campaign?

I do think I will post what I want where I want, thank you very much.

And since you won't defend Obama on other threads about his non-votes, his so-far disappointing performance, or anything else, I am left to entertain you here.

Anyone who thinks that the Clintons were responsible for the "Clinton hysteria", and bows to that kind of blackmail against Dem candidates, is falling right into the hands of the fearmongers whose actions are justified in their mind by their success in intimidating you.

Later.

And since you won't defend Obama on other threads about his non-votes, his so-far disappointing performance, or anything else, I am left to entertain you here.

Its called spamming a thread Corky, you don't need to be reminded of that do you? What do Hillary's poll numbers have to do with Obama's appeal to his audience in SC? NOTHING, thats the point!

And if you'd remove your view from all things Hillary, you might understand why Obama missed the Iran resolution the other week. Seems Harry Reid changed the scheduling at the 11th hour causing both Obama and McCain to miss the vote because they were out campaigning.

Do you see anyone in this audience expressing disappointment in Obama's candidacy so far? No you don't. And that is the point of this thread, not Hillary smillary.

Obama Supporters Bring the Noise

Now all we need is the funk!

Oh..., that would be Hillary snapping at a Democratic Iowan having the audacity of asking her about her vote to give Bush the go-ahead to bomb Iran. Quite funky if you ask me!

Obama isn't going to get the nomination. That is a given these days. The perception of his inexperience, whether it's true (I think it is) or not allowed Hillary Clinton to overwhelm him. Her performances at the debates and on the campaign trail have further enhanced that perception. With the immense decisions to be made in the next presidency it is too important to risk everything on a candidate who has great appeal to his base but can't spread that appeal outside of it. Hillary Clinton, being a moderate (not a neocon) can appeal to a broader spectrum of voters and thus is in a better position to win the election. She also has defeated Giuliani handily and he is probably going to be the REpublican nominee so who better to go against him? WE have some Democrats who don't like Hillary, believing her to be calculating, etc. but if you ever took a hard look at Bill Clinton you would see he is also. Doesn't it occur to Democrats that this ability to calculate doesn't only get a politician elected but it enables him to outmaneuver his/her opponents and accomplish something. It is a trait sadly lacking in Pelosi and Reid. Please God, help the Democratic Party let go of naive hopes for philosophically pure candidates and begin again electing pragmatic, capable, experienced leaders who can actually beat the Republicans at their own game. In short God, please give us another Clinton.

""Oh..., that would be Hillary snapping at a Democratic Iowan"'

who she quickly apologized to and explained that she had been asked the same question several times already and thought he was a "plant." What do you want from her anyway????

Off topic, but not totally in left field.

John Edwards is going to be in my home town, eating and speaking at a bar b que joint that I frequent from time to time.

I think I might take half a day at work and go see him. I can't say whether I agree with him or not because, it seems, the media has chosen to ignore his candidacy all-together.

who she quickly apologized to and explained that she had been asked the same question several times already and thought he was a "plant." What do you want from her anyway????

Ask a question she doesn't like and she goes Bush on him!!!

Ever wonder why Hillary is in the mainstream and no one else, she is taking the corporate money.

The proof is in the pudding!

and so will the great obama make some 'hay' of this info or will it be up to us to point out this raging hypocracy........

from the ap written by nedra pickler......

hillary proposed that we forget all about her great idea of 5k for evey baby and instead give people a 401 kind of PERSONAL ACCOUNT paid for in part with TAX CUTS.

WHAT>>>>>>>>>WAIT JUST A FREAKING, FUCKIN MINUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


when it comes to social security we are too FUCKIN STUPID TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT and this one is somehow okay......but then of course you see the difference,....SAVING SOCIAL SECURITY was bush's idea and this is hillary's...

and WHATS THAT??? TAX CUTS........only if its their idea....

what a bunch of hypocritical butts.........

quotes from the old broad.........
"american retirement accounts"
the government will provide "matching refundable tax credit-dollar for dollar-for the first 1,000 of savings done by married couples making up to 60,000 a year"


at a cost of 25 billion a year, and a cost that would spiral up every year of course......would some of you socialist like to now tell us that she isnt a womb to tomb, big brother, take care of me I'm too stupid to take care of myself, socialist democrat.

The difference being, of course, who would receive the tax cuts. Call us socialists as your president charges the war on a maxed out credit card and expects our kids and grandkids to pay for it. Seems the affluent of our generation expect war for free. Worse than socialism. It took neocons to discover that there really is an economic system worse than socialism, it's called irresponsibleism.
Or passthebuckism. Or justchargeitism.

no danni.....you cant just shuffle this hypocracy off as any kind of 'ism'
I AND OTHERS PREDICTED THis during the social security talk before....we said then that they will come back with this as thier idea and they will be all over it.....and here we see where those predictions are coming true.......

-What do Hillary's poll numbers have to do with Obama's appeal to his audience in SC? NOTHING, thats the point!

Pretty obviously, Hil's success on the campaign trail is translating into a wide lead both nationwide and in important swing states, while Obama's appeal to his audience, as seen in my non-spam posts, has not.

I know you don't want to talk about the actual race, just your candidate, but, unfortunately for both of you, that ain't how it works.

"The candidates who trail Sen. Clinton and hope that they can pry voters away from her should wake up and smell the coffee. Not only is she far, far ahead, but a much greater share of her voters say they are unlikely to change their minds than those committed to other Democrats. This should not be any surprise. Sen. Clinton has been a favorite of Democratic activists for the past 15 years and benefits greatly from being Bill Clinton's wife - since he is probably the most popular Democrat in America," Brown added.

Obama and Hillary need to kiss and makeup and join together.

The old grumpy white men vs. A woman and a minority.

The voting map will be very similar to 2004.

OHIO VOTES RED! OHIO VOTES RED! DEMS LOSE! Hitler could head up the Republican party and take Ohio.

Just as long as he was a Republican. LEMMINGS!

Auntie Gnubsy, lol!

The Original Church Lady.