If true, the ethical issues alone this uncorks will be with us for generations.

Beyond that, it would rank higher than finding life on Mars I suspect.

Finally, we would be able to lay to rest the argument that life can't come from inanimate matter.

Not bad for a day's work Mr. Venter.

Regards,
etc.

When was it a controversy life comes from out of non-life?

Besides which, it's not what the man says he's doing.

When?!

You aren't Rip Van Winkle by any chance are you?

The man didn't say he did it.

He says he's about to do it. And he hasn't missed thus far it appears.

He created an "synthetic chromosome out of laboratory chemicals". This is the stuff life is made from.

Regards,
etc.

No, he's not creating life from nothing. He's attempting to take an existing organism and modify it. Sophisticated dog breeding.

The real trick was when one moment there was nothing, and in the next there was everything necessary for all matter, including life.

As described in the BB theory.

But this miracle of science is also singular, and, like nuclear energy did and still does, poses all kinds of questions and possibilities.

I just hope they don't breed with nanites.

One of these fellows says something to the effect this innovation challenges society to debate the dangers.

Society better do it, because he's sure as hell not.

Sophisticated dog breeding.

Respectfully Zed, you minimize. Too much. This is not simple splicing. It's a giant step towards the beginning.

Regards,
etc.

Yippee, more republicans!

When Man becomes God does that make us contemplate the fantasy of God in a different way?

Respectfully Zed, you minimize. Too much. This is not simple splicing. It's a giant step towards the beginning.

Actually you are BOTH right...

The scientist isn't creating a new organism from scratch... and I would bet that the chemicals used to make the chromosome is made up of the same building blocks that chromosomes have always been made up, even if he DID make that part from scratch.

I would be more impressed with his claim of creating new life if he had constructed the cell walls and other cellular parts from scratch as well.

Basically what he is doing is equivalent to a computer programmer making a compiler for a brand new language, then claiming he has made a never before seen computer. He didn't, he just invented a way to make computer programs from scratch... still need a conventional computer to run them on.

Same thing here. The chromosome is useless without a pre-existing bacteria to host the genetic code.

The chromosome is useless without a pre-existing bacteria to host the genetic code.

No shortage of those.

Probably a better way to look at this is a new level of mastery of genetic code. Before, it was all cut-n-paste. Now we're writing it from scratch.

Not hard to imagine a lot of down sides here. Life behaves unpredictably, we can create bacteria with qualities that would never have evolved on this planet, and as a result the bacteria will exist outside any naturally balancing natural niche. Add to that a small mutation could take it off from our planned unnatural qualities into wildly unnatural ones. Imagine a bacteria designed to eat specially formulated plastic - a whole new industry of plastics with none of the pollution downsides. Then the bacteria mutates and starts to eat more common polymers - insulation, gaskets, all the other products we make out of plastic BECAUSE it's non-biodegradable. And that's just a material scenario.

Not sure humans are really smart enough for this yet.

Maybe they can give McCain and Giuliani an injection of this stuff into their political careers?

Maybe they can give McCain and Giuliani an injection of this stuff into their political careers?

How clever! It looks like the thought process needed to turn a non-political thread into a republican bash also created in the same petri dish!

Yippee, more republicans!

Hopefully this new life has more intelligence and doesn't knee jerk on every thread.

(new thread)
republicans suck!
(new thread)
Bush sucks!
(new thread)
republicans suck!
(new thread)
Bush sucks

Please Mr. Ventor -- create life without knees. And if they do have them, make sure they don't jerk like some some yoyos on the DR!

Let me the first to note the relevance of zombies to all of this, the result of designer viruses deliberately constructed as weapons.

I know we don't have zombies yet. But that time is one day closer as of today.

Ever notice that all a zombie is is an unrestrained human being?

Not sure humans are really smart enough for this yet.


The pace of our technological development has overcome our capacity for understanding it.

I think I made that up.

Some of the Sumerian stories are about the problems of the Tower of Babel times, and that part of the arrogance of mankind was their 'reaching towards heaven' in producing different examples of bio engineering which mixed animals and humans; and are referenced by mythological monsters in stories from all around the world. At least that's the interpretation which wall reliefs of animal/human combos from the same era indicate ... along with the stories of thinking that mankind had achieved any real power over life, but actually caused their own destruction in a cataclysm of 'Biblical' proportions.

The pace of our technological development has overcome our capacity for understanding it.

I think I made that up.

FF. Wish I had thought of that.

Another demon attempts to accuse man/humanity through bio engineering.

To what purpose? Man is deficient, lacking, not worthy of existence?

Seems to be a deep, deep, loathing of self, that many applaud become contagious.

No thanks. Not buying it.

Repent, you heathens!!!!

Respectfully Zed, you minimize. Too much. This is not simple splicing. It's a giant step towards the beginning.

Regards,
etc.

Posted by theperfectstorm at 2007-10-05 11:39 P


The beginning of WHAT? Please, do explain.

Finally, we would be able to lay to rest the argument that life can't come from inanimate matter.

Perfect,

First let me say, I have no problem with contemorary notions of the origin of the universe or evolution, but does not this human step help support those who favor intelligent design?

Cheers

Grendel notices, "First let me say, I have no problem with contemorary notions of the origin of the universe or evolution, but does not this human step help support those who favor intelligent design?"

It is a process that can be duplicated from life, itself, but which life cannot be initiated in it.

These are RNA/DNA combinations which don't actually create life, but rather redirect it into different expressions of the life that is already present withing the totality of the genetic material.

Indeed, it is probably possible to C&P the genetic material, without additions, to achieve the same outcome; whatever form it might take. Adding the chemicals combined to immitate the code, may just accomplish the 'cut' and not be the active agent of any morphic change(s).

Bush, at a press conference, once again explaining the meaning of a word to the press, who hold English and journalism degrees:

"See, this scientist has created a double (pause for emphasis) He lix. What that means is.....well, I said earlier I wouldn't talk about Senator Craig.....Next question"

Scientists are learning and concocting things from materials provided by God.

FUNNNAY FA-LAG for AmerciaUnity!!!

First let me say, I have no problem with contemorary notions of the origin of the universe or evolution, but does not this human step help support those who favor intelligent design?

Yes it does as long as "intelligent design" is not used in the context as a thinly veiled term of "divine origin".

It's all of divine origin one way or the other.

It's all of divine origin one way or the other.

I think pretty highly of most humans, but I would hardly call us god-like and use the word "divine" do describe us.

I bow to no one in my cynicism in regards to human nature. But if we truly aren't worthy of God's love then several hundred million will find it rational (and they will be completely correct) just to off themselves tomorrow.

I thought the article may say that he synthesized new life from inorganic matter. That was what I would consider "artificial life". Seems like he modified existing organic material to create a new organism. Scientists still haven't been able to figure out what originally turned inorganic matter into living organisms.

Somehow, I doubt it was a lightning bolt hitting a puddle of goo.

I a few big problems with this.

1. Releasing this in a news interview instead of a peer reviewed paper is a shitty thing to do. Looks and sounds more like an attempt at 15 more minutes of fame to me.

2. He plays this up to be a bigger deal than it is. we've had the ability to synthesize nucleic acids for years but it's usually utilized to make sequences that are much smaller than 580,000 he was able to assemble. That to me is the big advance. I'm also pretty sure this has already been done with a viral genome.

3. This isn't new or "artificial" life. If I write a summary of a book, is it a new book? No, it's a summary of the original. Instead of cutting and pasting (the easier way), he simply accomplished the same thing the hard way by copying it.

4. "Bacteria could be created, he speculates, that could help mop up excessive carbon dioxide, thus contributing to the solution to global warming, or produce fuels such as butane or propane made entirely from sugar." What he has done is NO where close to where he's saying it has the potential to go. He in no way created a new life form by designing a genome and we're no closer now than we were yesterday to being able to do so.

Finally, we would be able to lay to rest the argument that life can't come from inanimate matter.

That is not true at all.

Did you even read the article perfectstorm?

This is not about creating an entirely new life form spntaneously out of non-living chemicals. It is about engineering an artificial chromosone from a pre-existing chromosone that when added to a pre-existing single-cell life form (a bacteria) they hope will reproduce with the artifical chromosone.

Essentially what thses scientists are doing with a single cell life form, is the same as what scientists do to create artificial flavors for the food industry.

For example, to create artificial vanilla, the natural chemical components of real vanilla are identified and then the industrially produced versions of those same chemicals are mixed in the exact proportion to produce the artifical flavor of vanilla.

What the bio-scientists in this experiment have done is taken the chromosone of the bacterium Mycoplasma genitalium, pared it down to the 381 genes they believe are necessary to sustain life, and then identified all the chemical components in the genetic code and "painstainkinly" reproduced this bare bones chromosone using lab chemicals.

This artifical chomosone, "is then transplanted into a living bacterial cell and in the final stage of the process it is expected to take control of the cell and in effect become a new life form."

That is a monumental achievement, but still a long way from proving that "Life" can be created from the random interractions of simple amino acids in the primordial soup as has been theorized.

Of course, I don't believe that it will ever be proved because Life isn't random. God created all Life in the universe on purpose.

It will turn into a liberal next year and demand to vote the folling year.

Either Bowa's omniscient, omnipowerful and omnipresent God is a sadistic motherfucker, or elsr he doesn't exist. Given the needless pain and suffering in this world there is no third option.

I know we don't have zombies yet. But that time is one day closer as of today.

Zed

I for one welcome our new Zombie Overlords

I saw a zombie having a pina colada at Trader Vic's.

His hair was perfect

Of course, I don't believe that it will ever be proved because Life isn't random. God created all Life in the universe on purpose.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-10-06 01:54 PM


That is because you are close minded like most Christians.

It is quite possible that life is random in nature. The fact, that ancient replicators occurred could be quite random. In the primordial soup of ancient earth amino acids and proteins flaoted freely and in huge quantities.

As Reichard Dawkins says "If a group of atoms in the presence of energy falls into a stable pattern
it will tend to stay that way. The earliest form of natural selection was simply a selection of stable forms and a rejection of unstable ones.

Replicators probably did not form overnight they took millions of years. Time is patient.

Dawkins would describe it this way-

Raw materials such as water, carbon dioxide, methane and ammonia were subjected to a source of energy such as ultraviolet light. This gave rise to the 'primeval soup' containing amino acids and perhaps the building blocks of DNA (purines and pyramidines). Under the influence of further
energy (UV light) these molecules combined into larger molecules and finally by accident and random jostling of particles a remarkable molecule that could make copies of itself was formed (a replicator). Inevitably mistakes occurred as more and more copies of replicators were made (an
essential prerequisite for evolution) some of which gave rise to improvements and therefore propagated themselves more efficiently. Eventually mutually compatible replicators began to be formalised in the creation of discrete vehicles and later many celled bodies. A capacity for learning and thinking evolved as survival machines that could simulate the future were one jump ahead of survival machines faced with overt trial and error. Consciousness probably arose when the brain's simulation of the world became so complete that it had to involve a model of itself.

That does not mean there is not a God. That means there doesn't HAVE to be a GOD to explain life and to give it purpose... and it could have been random. But, if you choose to be lazy and not to do your homework and try to understand these things then you can always just believe that God did it.

And go back to the Matrix, read your Bible and enjoy your steak.

BS!

You'll not hear anything of the outcome because it will NOT be any creation of life. PERIOD.

It will be a modification that can't be distinguished from the possibility that a C&P of the already life producing genetic material could generate!

This scientist knows that, and didn't claim otherwise -- it is the NEWS warping what was said, in order to prey on your natural interest in such pretensions to revealing the 'truth'.

This scientist is only interested in determining HOW the life force works, CHEMICALLY and in order to modigy existing RNA/DNA to achieve successful modifications of genetic code...

You whiners actually want immortality ... not a new tail to swish suavely ....

Dawkins would describe it this way-

There's now evidence that life forms began evolving coincident to a shower of organic molecules that still continue to fall to earth at a rate of 100 million tons a year. That's a fraction of what it was at the high point.

Quite simply, you can not rule out serendipity. These materials are still changing life, and are generating new viruses and altering bacteria.

Life is too short to waste it on superstition, but whatever floats your boat - as long as it doesn't run foul of mine.

Tadowe

You're on here early today! Or did you just stay up all night posting? *grin"

That does not mean there is not a God. That means there doesn't HAVE to be a GOD to explain life and to give it purpose... and it could have been random

Donnerboy, guess what? I am ruling out sendipity in the creation of life. You can write reams of rhetoric on the subject but there is no proof that what can be described as "Life" was created out of the random interractions of amino acids in the priomordial soup.

Whta is funny is that I knew as soon as mentioned my belief that God created life, there would be people like you who will immediately jump in to say I am wrong and call me "close-minded". But that's like saying that I am closeminded if I refuse to believe that it is possible for 2+2=5.

Of course, God created life. And then evolution acted upon that Life so that after billions of years a creature would be produced that could be so disconnected from reality that some of them can make themselves believe that God didn't create life at all.

Quite a sense of humor that God of ours.

:-)

Bowa -- you say :

You can write reams of rhetoric on the subject but there is no proof that what can be described as "Life" was created out of the random interractions of amino acids in the priomordial soup.

Yes this is true. There is no proof. But then you go on to arrogantly say:

Of course, God created life.

when there is absolutely no proof of that, either. Why is your version of creation certain, but the others aren't when neither have proof?

"Life's too short to waste on superstition...."

Quite right. Personally know of no one who does that.

There is a dramatic difference between proving the positive or proving the negative ...

Of course there is. It is logically impossible to prove the negative.

Hey! Don't get distracted by any psychic experiences

zero chance of that

Goat brags, "zero chance of that"

Sure, fine. That's your choice, and not mine to enforce.

I thought to engage your interest, rather than mock any position you may describe yourself as holding in understanding.

It is inevitable, with dedicated practice of anapanasati, that one experiences some psychic event. I can testify to that. However, such experiences are actually natural senses, reinforced by an amazing unconscious ability to synthesize such sensory input into a gestalt of understanding which can reproduce the reality heard, smelled, and otherwised sensed, into a 'picture' of the moment, and with startling accuracy.

I think it can even use past knowledge to 'judge' what friends, family, and other important people they have studied, may be doing at any given moment and 'know' when they will receive a call from one of them, or 'know' that it may be them on the line, ringing, among other such phenomena of mental synthesis; telepathy, and even predictions of future events.

All of that takes an evolution in rebirth, according to some, though, so you stick with your beliefs and macho, for now ...

It is inevitable, with dedicated practice of anapanasati, that one experiences some psychic event. I can testify to that. However, such experiences are actually natural senses, reinforced by an amazing unconscious ability to synthesize such sensory input into a gestalt of understanding which can reproduce the reality heard, smelled, and otherwised sensed, into a 'picture' of the moment, and with startling accuracy.

Then it's not psychic, is it? It's either natural or supernatural.

You seem to agree with me that there is zero chance of getting distracted by psychic experiences. Maybe get distracted by what you described above, but as you readily admit, that's not psychic.

Goat shouts, "Then it's not psychic, is it? It's either natural or supernatural."

Shhhhh! That was for you, Bro! Don't disappoint the fish!

"You seem to agree with me that there is zero chance of getting distracted by psychic experiences. Maybe get distracted by what you described above, but as you readily admit, that's not psychic."

Yeah, except ... I don't believe there is much limit to our senses, and that extra solar, galactic and universal travel is all in the mind ...

I know ... I'm an oxymoronic sort, and that's for sure ...

TADOWE

How would you describe 'deja vu'? I've been somewhere I'd never been before with people I did not know, and suddenly I knew what every person would say for the next 10 minutes verbatim. I freaked out a small party one time years ago by tellin the next three people in the circle of about 20 what they were going to say. And two of them had nothing to do with the previous topic. it was spooky.

deja vu- new study out on that, something like echoes in the memory.

What you're talking about AU is precognition.

Careful the government might float you in pool of water and wire you up.

AU wonders, "How would you describe 'deja vu'?"

Unreal! You hate me, literally!

"I've been somewhere I'd never been before with people I did not know, and suddenly I knew what every person would say for the next 10 minutes verbatim."

So, I should adjust your philosophy while you wish me into being a nazi, warmongering, fascist, evil, torturing, Vietnamese obsessed, rightwing idiot, huh?

"I freaked out a small party one time years ago by tellin the next three people in the circle of about 20 what they were going to say. And two of them had nothing to do with the previous topic. it was spooky."

Now, you wish you could frighten people, all the time.

Well, convince them that losing a war to human sacrificing Islamacist is necessary to gain votes for Leftist/Democratic rule of America ...

OK TadOwe FF for your non-answer. And no, I don't hate you.

PS Sorry I asked.......

How petulant of me to expect you'd give me an answer on a topic you were just posting about LOL

PSS TadOwe

I knew you were going to say that LOL

(spooky music here)

Ozark

Shhhhhhhhhh LOL I don't want to work for the government

One other thing that happened among many in my life was in 1980. I had a dream that I was riding in a taxicab and my dad showed up in the back seat while the car was moving. He told me he'd just died and how much he loved me - to take care of my mother. When I woke up in the morning my pillow was dripping wet from tears I cried while I dreamt.

I woke up that morning and there was a telegram under my door. It read: Your father has passed away suddenly from a heart attack. Please call home ASAP.

AU goes on and on, "OK TadOwe FF for your non-answer. And no, I don't hate you. PS Sorry I asked... How petulant of me to expect you'd give me an answer on a topic you were just posting about LOL PSS TadOwe I knew you were going to say that LOL (spooky music here)"

Listen, AU, I am not going to be a buddy to anyone who sponsors a loss for the USA in order to gain votes for their party of traitorous leadership.

Got that?

I'm not even going to be a friend to anyone who supports the traitors who want to lose a war for all the USA in order to sell their country out to terrorism for votes for that party of bastard snakes-in-the-grass ....

As I mentioned, and Alex can assure you about, I really recommend you don't address me in the future. You definitely blew it by mocking my Vietnam service, scum.

TadOwe

You're nuts. I commended your standing up to your officer. How quickly you forget......

Other than that I've never said a single word about your Vietnam service. You have me confused with someone else.

I did suggest you eat your pudding at lunch though

Why is it you have to always mention me when I'm not here, tad?

Save your typing fingers and just send flowers next time, girlfriend.

I did suggest you eat your pudding at lunch though

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2007-10-06 06:09 PM

And, Tadowe, don't forget your meds.

TADOWE Here's my only post regarding your Vietnam service:

TAD

I do admire what you stood up for in Vietnam. That couldn't have been easy standing up to your CO for what's right.

And no, I am not willing to have the Constitution chipped away at in the name of 'security'. So far, Bush and Co have played right into Al Qaeda's hands by talking fear rather than courage. They have let Al Qaeda win.

The whole idea of 'terrorism' is to 'terrorize'. FDR wouldn't have talked fear, he would have told us they will NOT change our way of life no matter how they try. Bush has done the opposite, and let Al Qaeda change us.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2007-10-06 10:11 AM

AU

I woke up that morning and there was a telegram under my door. It read: Your father has passed away suddenly from a heart attack. Please call home ASAP.


I firmly believe that those who passed on can communicate with us -- if we are open to receiving it and don't just scoff and brush it off. The communication is often strongest right after they have passed away and when the pain of their loss is still so fresh.

As I mentioned, and Alex can assure you about, I really recommend you don't address me in the future. You definitely blew it by mocking my Vietnam service, scum.

Posted by tadowe at 2007-10-06 06:07 PM | Reply


Hans says no to including Alex's obsession and combinining it with his own.

I dont' blame you, Hans, keep me to yourself.

Posted by tadowe at 2007-10-06 08:52 AM | Reply


Hans posts some of my stuff [blush], "[...]"

Thanks, kleiner Kuchen. How about including Alex's addition, too?

Posted by tadowe at 2007-10-06 08:32 AM | Reply

You like "Republicans" like that, right? And, "Independents" like Alex who are full of love and aren't anything like "haters". Isn't that right, leftist stooge?

Posted by tadowe at 2007-10-05 07:04 AM | Reply

My unbelievable good luck, Cooper! You collectivate for others! I'm sure they will be happy to be included in the group -- all except the independent, Alex. I think you've actually maligned him with this inclusion.

Posted by tadowe at 2007-10-05 05:39 AM | Reply

Nah! I'm not like Alex, Cooper. (BTW, sorry for the misattribution, although you are another fine example of a Leftist/Democratic).

Posted by tadowe at 2007-10-05 05:25 AM | Reply

As I mentioned, and Alex can assure you about, I really recommend you don't address me in the future. You definitely blew it by mocking my Vietnam service, scum.

Posted by tadowe at 2007-10-06 06:07 PM | Reply



If you're going to keep blowing me like this people wil start to laughing when you accuse them of stalking.

And AU NEVER mocked your service. That was someone else.

I repeat: AU never mocked your service.

Tadowe

Why do you think any of us would mock you for serving your country? What unit were you in when you were in 'Nam? You were Army, right?

CC

That was a weird experience. In a way, it made the news easier to take, even though i didn't have a clue my dad would die. He'd been in good health and was only 62.

ALEX

You're right. I've never mocked TadOwes service in Vietnam. He's confused me with someone else.

TADOWE

Read the ONLY post I where mentioned your Vietnam service above

You were Army, right?

"Big Bad Ass Snake Eating Grunt Pounding SOB."

I don't want to quote him, I might have got that mixed up.

For the seventeenth time, Alex, because you are a prine example of what will happen when such dufus as you repressent become obsessed with me...

What a traitorous subversive scumsucking thing to say, tad. Cuz we all know you never libel anyone...

PS- your grammar and spelling blow.

ALEX

All I can say is 'geez' at some people LOL

TadOwe accuses me of something I didn't do.

Also, since I think the war is wrong my opinion doesn't count because I'm an independent and not a one of today's breed of conservative Republicans - although I'm strong pro military and fiscal responsibility and believe real Jesus/Christian principles like helping the poor are good things in America.

Takes all kinds.

AU convinces the choir, "You're right. I've never mocked TadOwes service in Vietnam. He's confused me with someone else."

I don't address the audience, AU. When I write a message to you, it is personal.

You asked me over and over if my Vietnamese service was responsible for the attitude I hold now, or words to that effect.

If that wasn't you, then I apologize for the misunderstanding. However, it in no way changes my opinion of those who support losing a war to Islamic terrorism ...

Got that? Anyone else?

You are not going to be my buddy. As I mentioned to Alex, who has more than earned my disrespect, even disgust, shove your efforts to suborn my cooperation with your subversive intent(s) ... someplace familiar ...

who has more than earned my disrespect, even disgust

Flatterer.

You asked me over and over if my Vietnamese service was responsible for the attitude I hold now, or words to that effect.

TadOwe

You are mistaken. If you can find anything to that effect I'll eat my computer a forkful at a time

I have plenty of friends Tad. I'm not tryint to be your friend. friendships with people online I've never met aren't really realistic, although I do think highly of some of the posters here and would possibley like to meet them one day.

Excuse me for being nice and trying to have a conversation with you about something not having to do with politics.

You're an enigma. NOT a Republican you say. NOT a Democrat you say. Well, neither am I. I do know that you're one of the most mean spirited posters I've ever seen online. What a shame. You seem to have a lot of interests outside politics and I thought I'd attempt to have a conversation about one. REALLY sorry I tried.

And Tad,

Fuck you for suggesting I want to lose the war against Islamo-Facism Get that through your think fucked up head.

After your false claims about my statements to you about Vietnam,, a topic I only complimented you over yet chose to use as an excuse not to talk to someone, you have a lot of nerve saying you won't talk to someone who slighted you over it. Well I didn't

Uou're the MOST vile mean spirited spewer of hate against others there is here. SORRY I tried to be nice to you asshole. it won't happen again unless you can learn to be a decent human being instead of a mean old prick.

AU gets explicit, "Fuck you for suggesting I want to lose the war against Islamo-Facism Get that through your think fucked up head."

No denial? What's that?

"After your false claims about my statements to you about Vietnam,, a topic I only complimented you over yet chose to use as an excuse not to talk to someone, you have a lot of nerve saying you won't talk to someone who slighted you over it. Well I didn't"

Do you Leftist/Democratics need to spin everything said to you? I never said I wouldn't correspond with you! I said you would never be my 'buddy' for wanting to fail in our war, or support the party who does so.

As for responding to my service in Vietnam, I was talking about before you tried to reverse yourself by 'complimenting' my service there ...

However, as I said, if that wasn't you, then the same attitude applies to those who support failure in Iraq to gain influence for their 'party'.

What's yours, AU? If I do a search of the internet, will I find you supporting Leftist/Democratics and their wish to gain partisan power over any loss they can promote in Iraq?

"Uou're the MOST vile mean spirited spewer of hate against others there is here."

Yet, you want me to discuss meditation and deja vu with such a vile rightwing, nazi, fascist, hatemonger ...

I just thank God I'm not a Leftist/Democratic traitor, whatever you think of me ... Mr. Niceguy.

Alright taddy, confirm or deny, what's your MOS? I want to know if I got that right.

****
You were Army, right?

"Big Bad Ass Snake Eating Grunt Pounding SOB."

TAD says:

As for responding to my service in Vietnam, I was talking about before you tried to reverse yourself by 'complimenting' my service there ...


Absolute bullshit !! Prove it !! My posting history is only clicking my name away. They're all there from the day I signed on here. When you don't find what you accuse me of saying, I expect you to be a man and apologize. If you can be a decent human being from that point on even better.

God, what the F happened to you to make you such a mean spirited person?

When you don't find what you accuse me of saying, I expect you to be a man and apologize. If you can be a decent human being from that point on even better.

LOL Only Democrats need apologize....

TAD says:

hen the same attitude applies to those who support failure in Iraq to gain influence for their 'party'.

You find ONE post where I 'support failure in Iraq to gain influence for 'my' party. ONE.

I'm a registered 'i' Independent. Voted both ways.

Now, I've challanged you to two tasks to prove yourself right. Take them and run. I'll eat my computer as I said if you can find it.

You're not man enough to try. REAL men don't accuse others of being traitors when they're in fact patriots. You're what's wrong with this country not me.

"same attitude applies to those who support failure in Iraq to gain influence for their 'party'."

If you support the people who rushed us into Iraq for reasons that weren't true and without bothering to formulate a complete plan, then you are doing exactly what you claim to hate in others.

You can't support people who have been extraordinarily negligent and incompetent in running the war and claim that you want a "victory".

Scientist Claims Creation of First Artificial Life

This is old news - it was originally a story about Paris Hilton years ago.

LOL The first thing I ever said to TadOwe was responded to with the same bullshit he's been posting day after day. The old "LEFTIST/DEMOCRAT/TRAITOR' crap.

Funny as shit. The one's our own intelligence services concluded several times now have increased terrorism still occupy the White House, and he has the balls to accuse ME of somehow helping Al Qaeda? LMAO

Bush and Cheney have been their best mouthpiece - doing Al Qaeda's fondest wish in spreading fear and trying to fundamentally changing America. We're not supposed to let a rag tag band of idiots change US. A REAL president would have said "we WILL NOT fear them!" "We will not let them change America!"

Funny that.

Sully gets sulky, "If you support the people who rushed us into Iraq for reasons that weren't true and without bothering to formulate a complete plan, then you are doing exactly what you claim to hate in others."

What is it that I hate in others? Losing a war in Iraq to gain partisan political advantage? Yep, that's what you are trying to do by attempting to belittle the reasons for invading, and the victories which have come as a result.

That's what I mean, AU, people like this who attempt to sell out our nation as wrong, even evil or fascist, for conducting a war which had the main motivation the same as Bosnia (a war Democratics supported 'patriotically'): ending genocide.

"You can't support people who have been extraordinarily negligent and incompetent in running the war and claim that you want a "victory"."

The victories have been listed over and over, but for some reason you Leftist/Democratics can't see ANY OF THEM!

Ending the Ba'athist tyranny in Iraq.

Deposing a genocidal madman, Saddam Hussein.

Securing an election of an interim government.

The construction and elected acceptance of a democratic constitution.

The almost universal suffrage in electing a permanent elected government.

Capturing, trying and convicting Saddam of mass murder.

Executing one more murderous dictator for his crimes.

Ending the lives of Saddam's murderous, rapist sons.

Killing al Qaeda leadership in droves and putting the human sacrificing goatherders on the run.

... and more in demonstrating that this time, the USA won't fail in cowardice, greed and selfishness and abandon another ally to the power coming out the barrel of an AK-47.

Still, you Leftist/Democratic traitors deny any victory, or even that any victory is possible ... and do so in order to sell out the USA so that you can blame Bush, this administration and half the rest of your fellow Americans for the loss ...

... a loss that is a win for Democratics and the terrorists their subversion for votes helps win a victory for Islamic human sacrifice ...

"Ending the Ba'athist tyranny in Iraq.

Deposing a genocidal madman, Saddam Hussein.

Securing an election of an interim government.

The construction and elected acceptance of a democratic constitution.

The almost universal suffrage in electing a permanent elected government.

Capturing, trying and convicting Saddam of mass murder.

Executing one more murderous dictator for his crimes.

Ending the lives of Saddam's murderous, rapist sons."

None of these things affect the security of the US or better the lives of Americans in any way. In isn't our government's job to send Americans to die on behalf of Iraqis, who hate us. We shouldn't be taxed for shit like this either. And there is no reason to believe that Iraqis, if given democracy, will democratically elect leaders who are pro-US. Much more likely that they'll elect leaders who reflect their dislike of us.

"Killing al Qaeda leadership in droves and putting the human sacrificing goatherders on the run."

We'd have accomplished alot more towards this goal if we had focused on Afghanistan rather than Saddam, who had nothing to do with anti-US terrorism.

Eight of the nine "victories" you list don't help us at all. The ninth could have been done much more effectively had we stayed out of Iraq.

You can't even make a weak case for your position. You are the hack supporting policies that harm America out of loyalty to a party.

What is it that I hate in others? Losing a war in Iraq to gain partisan political advantage?

TADOWE

This was was SUPPOSED to be over, we were TOLD it would be over no later than September 2003 (6 months - tops!), or do you conveniently want to forget that fact?

The very fact that we're still there in a quagmire, having lost over 3800 U.S,. forces AFTER 'Mission Accomplished" should be laid at the feet of those who have had TOTAL control of the war and it's management. The Democrats had NOTHING to do with the last 5 years TADOWE.

It's very disengenuous of you to suggest that somehow NOW, YEARS into this war, that anyone is trying to garner political gain from it.

it was a lack of planning and bad judgement that are responsible for the tragedy that's occured so far. You keep blaming anyone BUT those who are responsible.

POST INVASION was the 4th week of March 2003 !! Get real TADOWE

Brig. General Mark Scheid, chief of the Logistics War Plans Division after 9/11, and one of the people with primary responsibility for war planning. Shortly after the invasion of Afghanistan, he says, Donald Rumsfeld told his team to start planning for war in Iraq, but not to bother planning for a long stay::

""I remember the secretary of defense saying that he would fire the next person that said that," Scheid said. "We would not do planning for Phase 4 operations, which would require all those additional troops that people talk about today.

"He said we will not do that because the American public will not back us if they think we are going over there for a long war."

Geez TADOWE

It's so hard for you to place the blame where it belongs. The insurgency was predicted. EVERYTHING bad in Iraq was predicted. But, the one's you WON'T blame fucked it all up. Sure, all Americans would like to see it come to a good end, but 75% of Americans want us out as soon as possible. They aren't all Democrats you hard head.

CYA

Sully denies, "[...]"

What did I say? None of you can accept ANY mention of victory in Iraq -- nothing but efforts to subvert the success of any more victories issues from your partisan mouths.

AU waves farewell, "It's so hard for you to place the blame where it belongs. The insurgency was predicted. EVERYTHING bad in Iraq was predicted. But, the one's you WON'T blame fucked it all up. Sure, all Americans would like to see it come to a good end, but 75% of Americans want us out as soon as possible. They aren't all Democrats you hard head."

I'm fortunate not to want a defeatist, partisan subversive for a buddy, even though they try and schmooze your agreement in support of their friendly reasonableness ...

They want to display your agreement and influence others to support the literal treason of wanting to lose in Iraq -- actively work to foster a desire for retreat in others -- in order to gain political power for their gang of politicians.

I don't know ... I can't think of what would be considered any more treasonous than that kind of behavior, at the expense of your nation?

Anyone think of something more of a sellout to terrorism than wanting them to win in Iraq, along with a win for Democratics, here in the defeated USA?

I know what your father would think of you, loser ...

TADOWE

You're off your rocker

Do us all a favor and define 'victory'

PS I'm not trying to be your friend. Mine are far nicer people. You don't qualify

"What did I say? None of you can accept ANY mention of victory in Iraq -- nothing but efforts to subvert the success of any more victories issues from your partisan mouths"

You keep repeating the same ridiculous accusation over and over. When challenged to back up this accusation with anything approaching a logical point, you can't. You just babble the same nonsense over and over.

Just be aware that everyone has noted your impotence and that nobody is as impressed with your repetitive babblings as you seem to believe.

I'm going out. Nite-nite, dummy.

Um - how does all this relate to the headline?

Here is the standard debate tactic of Leftist/Democratics after you accuse them of doing nothing but repeating the same denial about victory in Iraq:

Sully says, "You keep repeating the same ridiculous accusation over and over."

And, you attempt to make me the subject (or anyone else who contradicts your parroted rote in subversive effort to force defeat in Iraq for partisan gain) when you can't answer on point and directly.

"When challenged to back up this accusation with anything approaching a logical point, you can't. You just babble the same nonsense over and over."

The list of success in Iraq is right up there, and hardly a complete one either. You could take any one of those and contradict it, yourself, if you had the capability to do so. Instead all you do is make a declaration without any support in reason, fact, or experience. I provide a list of reasons, successes, and you simply avoid discussing them and issue ad hominem.

"Just be aware that everyone has noted your impotence and that nobody is as impressed with your repetitive babblings as you seem to believe."

I don't seek your approval or acceptance -- I want to remain the bitter enemy of treason and subversion to gain political advantage for a gang of backstabbing Americans; wanting even to lose a war for the nation, and just so they can gain votes for the defeat.

I'd rather befriend pit vipers than a pack of traitors whose allies are human sacrificing Islamic terrorists. Put that repetitively up your ass ...

Um - how does all this relate to the headline?

Posted by MrFair

Somehow it turned to psychic phenomena, then TadOwe launched into his usual "LEFTIST/DEMOCRAT/TERRORIST LOVER bullshit and it all went downhill from there LOL

(But, I stand by my 10:46 post as most on topic LOL)

Um - how does all this relate to the headline?

It doesn't. Threads Gone Wild

"Um - how does all this relate to the headline?"

tadowe is actually the future decendants of this manufactored life sent back in time. Therefore he/she only possesses the bare minumum genome to maintain life and hence, the simple repetition of repeated crap over and over.

whoops. Meant decendant. Singular, not plural.

whoops. Meant decendant. Singular, not plural.

Posted by jpw

You were right in both cases. It IS a double helix

"God, what the F happened to you to make you such a mean spirited person?"

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

AmericanUnity, I have posted this before:

"I know what your father would think of you, loser ..."

Posted by tadowe

Which reminds me of that old joke about why husbands die before their wives: Because they want to.

I think that joke goes for some wives as well.

Hans

HANS

You kind of have to pity someone like that. Anyone that angry has to be very lonely too.

I tried striking up a conversation about something outside politics and the same old same old "subversive" and all that crap LOL


Maybe I'll surprise him and dress up as Tom Delay for the Drudge Halloween party.

Threads Gone Wild

Posted by goatman at 2007-10-06 09:33 PM | Reply | Flag

Wow , just
Wow


amazing progress

Brave New Cell

TANSTAAFL-It truely applies here. Think about it.

"I'd rather befriend pit vipers than a pack of traitors...blah blah blah"

Like everyone else, I don't want to be your friend, Tad.

You're a babbling fool without any compensating or redemptive qualities. Although you are dangerous in that you can vote and you support people who throw away American lives and treasury on "victories" that don't benefit this country at all. Calling you a traitor would ignore the fact that you are crazy and stupid. But the results of the policies you've supported have damaged this country. You allow yourself to be the stooge of traitors, which is just as bad as being one in that you work towards the same destructive results.

Notre Dame still blows!