Would have been kind of embarrassing if Amandapajams had pointed out Bush and Rice were now arming and paying the same al queda terrorists in Iraq that perpetrated 9-11.

Look, I don't like Aquavelvajihad, but what in the hell is the harm in him going to GZ? He can go everywhere but there? Can he go to Pearl Harbor? I bet he can go to Gettysburg. But not to the WTC? Did Iranians blow them up?

I think it would be more embarrassing that Amandapajams intended to question publicly that 9/11 ever happened (to the American liberal moron's delight).

The Iranian leader is playing to the American left, and the American left is playing to him.

Look, I don't like Aquavelvajihad, but what in the hell is the harm in him going to GZ? He can go everywhere but there? Can he go to Pearl Harbor? I bet he can go to Gettysburg. But not to the WTC? Did Iranians blow them up?

He is a theocratic politician who is taking advantage of terrorism to advance his nation's agenda, which actually would be fine if he was white.

""""This is somebody who is the president of a country that is probably the greatest sponsor -- state sponsor -- of terrorism, """


Maybe third. After SA and the USA.

"""But not to the WTC? Did Iranians blow them up?"""

Uppity bitches from the right are scoring schoolyard bully points again to wow the jethros.

The right is so afraid this guy will say anything conciliatory to the US and the west, that he might lessen the tension, reduce the liklihood (excuse for) of war that they are afraid to let him speak. Now the Bill of Rights is unAmerican according to most right wing nuts.
Why doesn't the right trust Americans enough to allow them to hear our enemies and judge for themselves whether they pose a threat. We were able to listen to others in our past and surprisingly survived.

The Iranian leader is playing to the American left,

'In Iran we don't have homosexuals like in your country'...

How's that?

LOL How is the left playing to him? Because seriously if the left is playing to him, the right is in fact playing with him.

Anyone have any tangible proof, or articles that describe this interaction for us? Or is this pure Bullshit, cooked up by those who can neither win a war, or admit it and would really rather prefer the focus go elsewhere..

How can you tell us that the left is trying to play to him, while at the same time advocating for the investment of trillions of dollars in aid for his country?

Wonder if saudi King Paulabdullah wasnted to go to see his kinsmen's handi-work at the WTC; would Rice escort him, or would Dubya hold his hand?
Cause you know this Administration wouldn't have the balls to say no.

Danni,

Why doesn't the right trust Americans enough to allow them to hear our enemies and judge for themselves whether they pose a threat.

Because the right (and the left for that matter) have been cashing in on America's inability to think critically for decades.

Uppity bitches from the right are scoring schoolyard bully points again to wow the jethros.


Simple and Elegant

Uppity bitches from the right are scoring schoolyard bully points again to wow the jethros.

Posted by panchovilla at 2007-09-24 03:38 PM | Reply |


On point today we are!

Saudi prince Abdul Abulbul Amir would hold hands with the president and Rudy at the site. They could both regale him with tales of their super human efforts of that day.

The president flying to Nebraska and Rudy following his publicists orders to parade around in the streets while said publicist drafts the opening of a book.

I think it would be more embarrassing that Amandapajams intended to question publicly that 9/11 ever happened (to the American liberal moron's delight).

The Iranian leader is playing to the American left, and the American left is playing to him.

Posted by FredFlintstone at 2007-09-24 03:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Another DR rocket scientist.

Which "Lefty" was playing to him when he decided to move Halliburtons HQ to the Caymans so he could skirt US law that forbid conducting business with Iran?

Oh yeah, that's right. It was that SUPER-LEFTY Dick Cheney.

Why?? Is it because chickenshit COndi Rice doesn't want to do Her fucking Job?? Could that be it perhaps?? Bunch of shit if You ask Me. Mature people would have seized the Opportunity to invade the Iranian President over to the White House. They apparently want something from the Iran so begin diplomatic relations with them. You catch more flies with Honey than You do vinager.

Larry

Oh fuck Me to tears. INVITE INVITE NOT INVADE for fuck sake.

Larry

Mature people would have seized the Opportunity to invade the Iranian President

Think Bush misses Jeff Gannon that much?

Inadvertent Fruedian FF for larry.

This Administration is unbelievable, this CUNT Rice should be physically kept from ground zero!!!!! They should have done something, they could have done something, if only they had paid mmore attention to the terriost, then trying to get as far from the Clinton Administration policies!!!!!!! The gang that brought us this mess now are trying to be moral, what crap!!!!!!!!!!

I swear Northguy one day I WILL be perfect. Until then have at Her.

Larry

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Monday that it would have been a travesty for Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to visit the "Ground Zero" World Trade Center site in New York.

I agree with Rice. Why give Ahmadinejad a chance to pay his respects to the site where 8 terrorists who shared his view of the US & Israel lost their lives.

Yes absolutely Condi, a travesty. There's absolutely no chance that the president of Iran is also a HUMAN BEING who wished to pay his respects. He's a boogeyman from the middle east (also, BROWN!! egads!) who wants to eat your children.

He's a boogeyman from the middle east (also, BROWN!! egads!) who wants to eat your children.

Posted by ThrillHammer at 2007-09-24 04:35 PM | Reply


What color is Condie?

Why give Ahmadinejad a chance to pay his respects to the site where 8 terrorists who shared his view of the US & Israel lost their lives.

They don't Bowa. Iran stands in opposition to AQ just as much as we do. Please inform yourself about the truth involved instead of making false accusations. Iran was one of the first countries to express their sympathies to America over the attacks on 9/11.

Let's see. How Many Iranians attacked the United States?? How many Saudis attacked the United States?? Hmmmmmmmmm tricky tricky tricky. What is a Travisty is The United States Government not Practicing what it Preaches. They claim to be about spreading freedom(The truth is the opposite) what better way to show it than to allow the Iranian President a trip to Ground Zero to pay His respects. You know Lokisfur aka Bowa if We would for once ignore the rhetoric Our "Leaders" espouse and thought for Ourselves this Nation MIGHT become a better Country for it.

Larry

BTW Last time I Checked AL Qaeda is Sunni Iran is Shi it do try again Lokisfur aka Bowa.

Larry

Hmmm, it seems to me that Iran captured our number 1 allies military personell a few months back. Why on earth would we extend any type of courtesy to those scumbags?



I'd love to "meat" Achmedisaslob! Hopefully he brough Pol Pot, Lil Kim, and Bashar Asad with him!
Sincerely,
B Hussien Obama

Funny, I seem to recall that the last time Rice herself was in NYC was in the very first days of the aftermath of Katrina when people were still stranded and dying on the roofs of their homes surrounded by flood waters in New Orleans.

Hmmm, was Rice in NYC at such a crucial time because she was paying respects to Ground Zero? Noooooooooo, Condi was in NYC to attend a Broadway show and buy $1000 high heels in some NYC shoe store until she was booed out by other customers appalled at her non-chalance at such a crucial and deadly time in New Orleans.

Let's extend every courtesy to the guy who is providing the Iraqi's with EFP's that are killing our troops!
Sincerely,
Lefties Supporting our Troops

Tony, Kruschev didn't get to visit DisneyLand and he was well pissed about it....But, we all know (except for you) that has nothing to do with this thread.

only Shrub or New York's syndicate fratenizer (Guiliani) should be able to use the World Trade Center crime for propaganda purposes.

Who needs to be reminded that Ahmandenijad's rise in Iran is blowback from repeated, failed US efforts to keep the Shah of Iran in Power by destroying the Democratically elected Iranian President? Iraq is more of the same bullshit.

what would you expect from uncle bens favorite niece codincompetante. isnt she the head diplomat in this government? such diplomacy. what happens next with this circus? does chaney try and date his wife?

But, we all know (except for you) that has nothing to do with this thread.

It has everything to do with the American legacy of allowing people to speak their minds even if we don't agree with what comes out.

Has it dawned on any of you brain surgeons that if Ahmadinejad visited the WTC site and expressed regret that radical Muslims brought unneeded death and destruction to innocents it would actually behoove us on the Islam Street across the globe?

He has been consistent in his objection to what happened on 9/11. Why not let him make the case in a symbolic manner that underscores the point that terrorism is wrong and destructive? No, that would make sense, and then we couldn't demonize him. How rich....

He has been consistent in his objection to what happened on 9/11. Why not let him make the case in a symbolic manner that underscores the point that terrorism is wrong and destructive? No, that would make sense, and then we couldn't demonize him. How rich....

Posted by tonyroma at 2007-09-24 05:09 PM | Reply


Has it dawned on you he's supplying EFP's to the Taliban and Iraqi insurgents?
If it hasn't it should have, if it has then you should re-evaluate your priorities.

""""This is somebody who is the president of a country that is probably the greatest sponsor -- state sponsor -- of terrorism, """


Maybe third. After SA and the USA.


Posted by panchovilla at 2007-09-24 03:38 PM

Hey PONCHO, if this is true how come the Mexican Horde keeps comming? Maby we should build a wall to keep them out for their own good, we would not want them to live in a terriorst country now would we?

Aquavelvajihad
I think I have to give this name the blue ribbon.

They don't Bowa. Iran stands in opposition to AQ just as much as we do.

Tony, I didn't mention al-qaeda at all.

I said, "Why give Ahmadinejad a chance to pay his respects to the site where 8 terrorists who shared his view of the US & Israel lost their lives."

Are you saying that the Ahmadinejad and Bin-Laden don't share similar views about Israel and the US?<

The bottome line is given the obvious help which Iran has been giving to al-quada in Iraq and the the Taliban in Afghanistan, it is obvious that whatever sectarian differences they may have have been pushed aside as they ally themselves against their common enemy -- the US and Israel.

To suggest that such a think is impossible flies in the face of history. It flies in the face of the reality that is going on now.br />

There's absolutely no chance that the president of Iran is also a HUMAN BEING who wished to pay his respects.

Yeah he wanted to pay his respects to the 8 terrorists who died and who shared his view of the US & Israel

Yeah he wanted to pay his respects to the 8 terrorists who died and who shared his view of the US & Israel

Posted by Bowa at 2007-09-24 05:23 PM | Reply


And You know this HOW LOKISFUR Hmmmmmmmmmm

Larry

Columbia University president Lee Bollinger confirmed plans to go forward with a speech by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad aimed at helping the progressive academic community better to understand their role in the Global War on U.S. Imperialism. "We are preparing some hard-ball questions that would force Iran's President to tell us more about his rich experience in purging academia and creating a perfectly uniform intellectual climate of diversity," stated Bollinger. "We are so committed to intellectual diversity that we spare no effort to silence the hate-mongering vitriol by our right-wing critics - and few people know about that more than our honored guest," Bollinger said, adding that "only an anti-intellectual bigot would oppose a speech by a distinguished Islamic scholar whose metaphysical insights into holocausts illuminate the massive genocides of the 20th century for all of us."

Columbia's hard-ball questions for Iranian leader are expected to include:

Challenging the legitimacy of falsified elections in Florida and Ohio
The Republican genocide of African Americans in New Orleans
The corporate glass ceiling that denies women access to the American boardrooms
The absence of free healthcare
Ending America's war for foreign oil



Professor Bates
Islamist Movement For Greater Solar System

"Rice Glad Iran's President Kept From Ground Zero"

YEAH!
Cockroach Rice?

That stupid bitch is still around? I figured she would be secure in her dark underbelly place by now! You know --- now that the lights are on and such!

Has it dawned on you he's supplying EFP's to the Taliban and Iraqi insurgents?
If it hasn't it should have, if it has then you should re-evaluate your priorities.

There has yet to be one piece of evidence showing that the Iranian government has anything to do with the arms sales and IED development used in Iraq. If you know of some, feel free to post it outside of unsubstantiated accounts from US sympaticos.

Is it true Rice does favors through a picket fence ?

"While it found no operational ties between al Qaeda and Iraq, the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks has concluded that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network had long-running contacts with Iraq's neighbor and historic foe, Iran"

You truly are an imbecile for all seasons! The Iranians are Shiite and AQ is Sunni. They do not cooperate in any way, shape or form. Iran's form of Islam is antithetical to AQ's, just like Saddam's was.

Contacts? Of course they did. They existed in neighboring countries with a shared border. Just like Ohio and Indiana without desert and mountains.

Rice does favors through a picket fence ?

She probably uses a dental dam.

"Has it dawned on you he's supplying EFP's to the Taliban and Iraqi insurgents?
If it hasn't it should have, if it has then you should re-evaluate your priorities.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2007-09-24 05:11 PM"

Tony - 101 doesn't need no stinkin proof. The same gov't folks who told him that Iraq absolutely possessed WMD's and were going to rain mushroom clouds on the U.S. told him about EFP's from Iran's gov't to Iraq. What more proof could one need?

You truly are an imbecile for all seasons!

meaning, I can't admit that I am wrong so I'll just deflect and call Bowa an imbecile.

face it Tony, al-qaeda and Iran have a a long relationship going way back that has only strengthened over time because of their shared hatred for the US and the Israel. Not like Indiana and Ohio -- more like the US and the USSR and their alliance during WW2 against the nazis

BTW: What part of ", the commission ...has concluded that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network had long-running contacts with Iraq's neighbor and historic foe, Iran" don't you understand?

Tony - 101 doesn't need no stinkin proof. The same gov't folks who told him that Iraq absolutely possessed WMD's and were going to rain mushroom clouds on the U.S. told him about EFP's from Iran's gov't to Iraq. What more proof could one need?

Precisely my point. Just another "pants-pissing, fear mongering scare-artist" masquerading as some insurgency maven.

Remind me again just how long did the Iraqis and Iranians fight their last war?

BTW: What part of ", the commission ...has concluded that Osama bin Laden's terrorist network had long-running contacts with Iraq's neighbor and historic foe, Iran" don't you understand?

The part where the official policy of the Iranian government post 9/11 was to reach out to the US for coordinating help in eliminating AQ from Afghanistan. Why would they do this if they were such good friends Bowa?

And the POST? You must be kidding! Since when did they become the defacto authority on Iran/AQ relations?

Tony, what about the fact that Columbia U kicked the ROTC off campus b/c of the don't ask don't tell. Yet allow the president of a country that kills homosexuals and even deny that they exist in his country? Are Persians some sort of genetic anamoly

When are we going to start treating people with respect. What did we think he would do at ground zero? He's a head of state and the world was watching. This was all about symbology. I hope we feel good about ourselves.

"One such evil man is Ahmadinejad. It is inconceivable that Columbia will allow this anti-Semitic blowhard a podium, or in any way add to his prestige at a time when the world is attempting to halt this gangster state's illegal acquisition of nuclear weapons.

But what is truly outrageous is that Columbia does not see the deep dishonor it is doing to the men and women killed and wounded by the machinations of this man and the regime he represents. Some of those casualties of Iranian intrigue have come in Iraq just this year.

But Ahmadinejad's rogue state has been killing Americans for far longer than that, and using terror against us since the presidency of Jimmy Carter.

Only weeks ago a United States District Court awarded the wounded and the families of the dead in the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing $2.65 billion in damages. The opinion stating the damages is here. It is hard reading because Judge Royce Lamberth details the terrible injuries these man have lived with for a quarter century, and many stories of the loss of loved ones are in the paragraphs as well.

Has the President of Columbia, Lee Bollinger, read this opinion? He is a fine legal scholar, and was my professor at the University of Michigan Law School, and was a decent, friendly man.

But what is it about academia that robs its elites of basic decency towards their fellow citizens that he would invite one of their murderers to grace the stage at one of the nation's greatest universities?

Where is the outrage among the faculty and the students? Where are the parents of the students? "

Tony, I felt the president's (Columbia) remarks were petty. I think you do have a say or should have an opinion though. If for no other reason than the university receive gov't funds. My only point is if you are going to critisize some for not allowing free speach. Why would you be so quick to defend Columbia for their reasoning to allow the president of Iran to speak based on "free speach"?

As to your question regarding Iranian weapons and proof. It is a fact that we have captured Iranian special forces and have been tracking them for some time in Iraq. Do you think they are there to help? One other question if you don't mind. Do you think it is ok for a university to invite someone who denies there are homosexuals in their country to speak in a educational forum? What about the fact that Columbia (their students) allow members from the minutemen to speak? Nor would the president of Columbia U. punish the people who stormed the stage crushing free speach?

Do you think it is ok for a university to invite someone who denies there are homosexuals in their country to speak in a educational forum?

LOL

They won't allow the ROTC on campus because of the Military's "Don't Ask; Don't Tell" Policy but they allow Ahmadinejad to speak with his "Don't ask; Just Kill" policy murdering gays all over Iran.

Dave...

Please give me a list of those Ahmadinejad has murdered as you assert. Show us the direct connections the President of Iran has to known terrorist organizations.

If you understood reality you'd know that Ahmadinejad has no power in the foreign relations of Iran. He is purely a domestic figurehead beholden to the actual power in Iran, the Ruling Clerics. Ahmadinejad has no sayso whatsoever over Iranian policies regarding nuclear energy, nor in international relations. Unless you have evidence of his personal involvement in the actions you recite, please come forward with just how he's responsible for the actions you site.

Ahmadinejad has no power in the foreign relations of Iran.

Yeah Dave, what were you thinking? just because Ahmadinejad is speaking at the United nations there's no reason to think he has any power at all "in the foreign relations of Iran"

LOL

Tony, hang it up dude. You are wrong every which way but sunday on this thread.

It is a fact that we have captured Iranian special forces and have been tracking them for some time in Iraq. Do you think they are there to help?

Evidence please. And is it possible that Iranians without formal ties to the government are the ones fomenting violence in Iraq? Its the Wild Wild West over there now. There is no law and there is no order. Arms smuggling and dealing knows no countries as we're seeing that Blackwater and others with US ties are complicit in what we condemn other nations for doing.

In the matter of homosexuals, I couldn't disagree more. But just like many of our domestic religionists, they like to believe that homosexuality doesn't exist in nature as well. Seems he keeps good company with the distorted views of many in America on this issue with only a tangential difference. While only a truly unthinking few deny their existence, denying them equal rights is just as eggregious in my book as such an outright denial. But I believe this is because of how they view their religion, not their reality in flesh and blood.

Interesting how bowwow used the term "Don't ask; Just Kill"

Believe it or not Hans, I came up with the phrase all by myself independent of the Gay City News...not that there's anything wrong with that.

:-)

PS: Me thinks you must have a bit of an obsession with me if you are googling my phrases. Sorry Hans, I'm not available.

LOL

Bowa...

Stop living in your ivory tower. Its built of nothing but bullshit. Do some research and come into the real world. It isn't the same as the one your rightwing mouthpieces keep telling you it is. Look it up. If Ahmadinejad has any power to dictate Iranian foreign policy, I'll bow to your greatness.

No one said the man wasn't allowed to speak about foreign policy issues, only that he has no control or sway over the official policies of Iran. Only the Supreme Ayatollah does and you'd know this if you'd only bother to educate yourself! He is the public face of the goverment much in the way the President's Press Secretary is before the press corps and no one says he/she sets US policy, do they?

Please Google the Iranian Government and get back to me with your apology.

Tony "Please give me a list of those Ahmadinejad has murdered as you assert. Show us the direct connections the President of Iran has to known terrorist organizations"

You want a list? As if they produce a list of the people they have killed. Tony, you put the most strict rules to anything that does not adhere to "your" standards and dismiss them. Yet, anyone who does adhere to your belief's the most vague and generic "proof"? What about the minutemen? What about the fact that the Iranian president denies "any" homosexuals in his country? Could it be the fact that he thinks he has killed them all? What about the Iranian special forces that have been captured in Iraq? I suppose you need a list? Why don't you give a list of the people who pulled off 9/11? I mean specific names. Not Cheney nor Bush. The people that pulled the trigger?

"Tony, hang it up dude. You are wrong every which way but sunday on this thread."

Yeah, Tony. Clearly, you haven't paying attention to Limburger, Hannity or Weiner.

TONY....There has yet to be one piece of evidence showing that the Iranian government has anything to do with the arms sales and IED development used in Iraq


yea i forgot the black market gives out reciepts for EFP

Dalton...

All I'm saying is that the very same people who swore that Iraq had WMDs and Saddam was an immenent threat to America are the ones making these unfounded accusations. Former military work as mercenaries in Iraq. Does this mean that Blackwater is complicit with official US policy? You have to show a connection, not just make one verbally without any proof.

I am not making accusations, you are. I have seen conflicting reports as to the veracity of the claims you're making. It is not incumbent upon me to believe you at face value. Not that you'd willingly lie, but those you believe are telling the truth have already been exposed as abject liars before, so excuse me for wanting proof of their claims in the present. Fool me once....

well any way.... Ahmadinejad is a terroist that is in power...it does not matter if he was involved in 9-11 or not he is a kidnapping terrorist that hold leadership power in Iran.....no kidnapper terrorist could hold office in the US...but he holds power in iran

I guess Judas can't read either. Seems to be a rightwing shorcoming these days....

What "power' does he have Judas? What did the CIA say about his alleged involvement in the hostage crisis?

He "leads" the domestic government and legislative body. He doesn't lead foreign policy or in any areas reserved for their true leader The Supreme Leader who happens to be the Ayatollah, not Ahmadinejad!

The Supreme Leader of Iran is responsible for the delineation and supervision of "the general policies of the Islamic Republic of Iran". ...

I was under the impression that the President of Iran cannot make foreign policy (and that includes the decision to go to war). Was I misstaken?

The President is responsible for the implementation of the Constitution and for the exercise of executive powers, except for matters directly related to the Supreme Leader. The President appoints and supervises the Council of Ministers, coordinates government decisions, and selects government policies to be placed before the legislature.

Do you see foreign policy mentioned as within the President's realm of authority? Does it even matter to you that you dispense with uninformed, ignorant comments as though they have a basis in fact?

........no kidnapper terrorist could hold office in the US...

You're quite sure about that?

CC...

You are correct. Ahmadinejad isn't the Supreme Leader, the Ayatollah is. He is subservient to the SL's orders, not the other way around.

........no kidnapper terrorist could hold office in the US...

Yeah, ask some Canadian, British, and Austrailian citizens about that notion. I think with their personal experiences they'd probably disagree with those sentiments!

Tony, he (the president of Iran) likes to pontificate on the foreign relations enough. I appreciate you not resorting to personal attacks. My points were to the fact that he denies homosexuality. Is that not a lie? Should he be give the benefit of the doubt after such comments

Dalton...

Many people cannot agree about homosexuality. I don't know if he's spouting the "official" position of the Grand Ayatollah or whether this is his own personal view. With the way the Iranian government is set up, no one can cross whatever the Ayatollah decries or they find themselves in violation of the law and subject to prosecution.

On its face, its stupid...but to me so are many Americans that believe various things disproven by science. That does not mean that when they answer 4 it doesn't change that 2 + 2 is still the correct question. Good night.

Tony, when you speak of lies. You can not believe an American but, you believe someone who denies there are homosexuals in his country?

What does what American's believe have to do w/ the fact that you would side w/ a man that declares there are "no" homosexuals in his country? Why can't you give the same pause to him as you would some American? Like I said, you are so quick to believe anything that is espoused by some yet so suspicous of your fellow American's.

I mean since we are talking about lies and believability? Really, can you give people that deny the existence of homosexuals in their country wiggle room. Yet believe the worst about American patriots in our military?

"Believe it or not Hans, I came up with the phrase all by myself independent of the Gay City News..."

Like minds, and all that.

Hans

Elect any of the GOP candidates that don't believe in Evolution and then tell me how different America is from Iran. In the meantime, we have dumbasses like Vitter and his funding creationism and excluding Evolution.

This planet's gone bonkers.

CC...im most positive bush is not a kidnapping terrorist...what about you????

someone says "Elect any of the GOP candidates that don't believe in Evolution and then tell me how different America is" Do we hang the non believers? Do we stone a woman to death for being raped? Why not stick to the topic of believing someone who denies there are homosexuals living in his country? Why? Because you won't yav. You will deflect until your head spins off! Your comment is worse than any Clinton deflection I have ever heard!

Good job Hans. You have managed to take a thread from the lies of the president of Iran to an anniversary! Congrats.

"Good job Hans. You have managed to take a thread from the lies of the president of Iran to an anniversary!

The Great Hans has Spoken!

"Congrats."

You're welcome.

Hans

Happy 2nd Drudge Anniversary, Yav.

Thanks Hans!

Yav "Elect any of the GOP candidates that don't believe in Evolution and then tell me how different America is"

Answer the questions Yav? Do we stone them? Do we execute them? Do we call as a nation for the death of anyone? Do you see Amercicans chanting death to anyone?

chirp chirp. Nite all!

Does he post here much?

I was under the impression that the President of Iran cannot make foreign policy (and that includes the decision to go to war). Was I misstaken?

CC. Yes and No. The President can make foreign policy and that role can be delegated to him and certainly has in Ahmadinejad's case. He cannot declare war. Only the Supreme Leader can do that.

As the highest elected official in Iran (now that Iran has no Prime Minister), the President is the face of Iran to the Western world. The "Supreme Leader" is still the ultimate head of the religious and political authority in Iran.

But it is more complicated then Tony suggests. And certainly to say that the President of Iran has nothing to do with foreign policy is ridiculous.

There are three Executive entities in Iran which form the executive "authority" -- the President is elected by the people, the "Supreme Leader", who can veto the President is elected by the "Assembly of Experts" who can vote to remove the "supreme leader" at any time.

In a weird way the three authorities work like a theocratic executive "checks and balances" in which the democratically elected president must adhere to the Islamic law or be overruled by the Supreme Leader who in turn can be removed by the ""Assembly of Experts" who in turn feel pressured to give in to the will of the people as expressed in their choice of "President"

Given all that, much power and presitige is delegated from the supreme leader the Iranian President to be "commander in chief" and to develop relationships with foreign nations and groups. Which Ahmadinejad has.

Rice is a pussy.

"Let's see. How Many Iranians attacked the United States?? How many Saudis attacked the United States?? Hmmmmmmmmm tricky tricky tricky."

larry, are you aware that a US embassy is sovereign US soil?

I don't think i need to say anything other than that's a bad example.

I think the problem was that everyone was afraid he'd use his time at Ground Zero to announce a run for President. Christ knows he's got the fundie credentials to get the Republican nomination.

I suppose we shouldn't give him the opportunity to use the 9/11 site for politcal gain.

I mean, that's Rudy Giuliani's job.

They won't allow the ROTC on campus because of the Military's "Don't Ask; Don't Tell" Policy but they allow Ahmadinejad to speak with his "Don't ask; Just Kill" policy murdering gays all over Iran.

Posted by Bowa


Equivalence???

One is an organization looking to RECRUIT - the other is a visiting head of a sovereign nation, albeit a loon and a whack job.

This is an example of the kind of shit that you do so well, bowa, although admittedly this is a small, and perhaps subtle, example. These two things have NOTHING to do with each other, but that doesn't stop you from tying them together to make some sort of a point.

I think America is divided between those who felt the president of Iran should not be allowed to speak here and who accept totally the version of the facts presented to them by our corporate media and government and those who wanted to hear him and make up their own minds about what he had to say.
It is not just a coincidence that petty much those who felt he should not be allowed to speak are also primarily from the group that unquestioningly supported the Iraq invasion.
The same people who refuse to think for themselves in 2003 still do.

Danni I swear it's that Bush Lemming Juice they need it to survive on I guess. No wonder Liberal Radio never really made it. We Liberals don't need someone else to think for Ourselves. We can do that on Our own quite nicely.

Larry

It is not just a coincidence that petty much those who felt he should not be allowed to speak are also primarily from the group that unquestioningly supported the Iraq invasion.
The same people who refuse to think for themselves in 2003 still do.

Posted by danni

Thank you for confirming what I've been saying about Hillary for quite some time. She said yesterday that if she was the President of the University, he would not have been allowed to speak.

Danni notices, " think America is divided between those who felt the president of Iran should not be allowed to speak here and who accept totally the version of the facts presented to them by our corporate media and government and those who wanted to hear him and make up their own minds about what he had to say."

Democratics and Ahmadinjad want the same thing: The USA out of Iraq. Democratics hate Bush, and so does this Islamic fundamentalist terrorist supporter. Democratics want to appease Ahmadinejad and want him to come to the United States and defame the US, and all of us, because we are an evil nation who supports the evil Jew in Zionism ...

... while the peaceful Arabs of the ME only want to be left alone, unbothered by the stink of Jews and pork eating America!

Danni wants to understand the use of human sacrifice to remove Israel from the map, and the refusal by them to recognize the Holocaust ... Danni must agree with that the issue needs more "study", right Danni? You want to find out the truth of the Holocaust so that Ahmadinejad can have an excuse to perform a genocidal excision of a UN created nation?

That's just like someone who hates Bush as much as her terrorist friends do ...

Gee tadpole, I don't like broccoli, so I guess I must secretly be a supporter of GHW Bush.

""Danni wants to understand the use of human sacrifice to remove Israel from the map,""

No Tadowe, I just don't want to play your game; "Let's Pretend Iran Has the Power to Wipe Israel Off the Map."

I prefer living in the real world where Iran has far more to fear from Israel and the US than either of us do from Iran.
I bet you right wing nuts would fear Mexico if they had a little more oil. I notice some of y'all are already living in fear of Hugo Chavez.
You sure as hell let Bush/Cheney/Rice scare the bejesus out of Y'all when Saddam was in Iraq. You'd have thought the US was in real jeopardy the way you idiots acted.

TonyRoma,
You are an idiot, plain and simple. You give more credence to a madman that denies the existence of gays in his country than the evidence that Iran is supplying EFP's.

I suppose NATO and the US Generals are all lying when they say that Iran is supplying weapons/EFP's to Iraq and Afghanistan? Those EFP's manufactured in Iran, and used by the Quds force magically appeared in Iraq and magically fell in to the hands of SHiite insurgents.
The Iranian Special Forces that we captured were actually kidnapped and sent to Iraq too...


I know Tony, you actually love our country, that's why you take every opportunity to shit on it. You're disgusting.

I love how the same douche bags that claim we'd get our ases kicked by Iran claim Israel has nothing to fear from Iran...

You retards can't keep your stories straight from thread to thread.

So which is it 101, should we all be scared to death by Iran or not???

So which is it 101, should we all be scared to death by Iran or not???

Posted by danni at 2007-09-25 11:11 AM | Reply


Now you're asking me which of your two scenarios you should continue to spout?
Continue to claim both Danni, that way we'll all know you're still a hypocrite.

"Continue to claim both Danni, that way we'll all know you're still a hypocrite.""

Yeah, speaking the truth about Iran is hypocrisy.
I just wonder what many of the righties would do if they didn't have someone to tell them what to think.

evidence that Iran is supplying EFP's.

Never denied 101. What is not proven is that the Iranian government had anything to do with it. You need to get your scorecard straight. Iran has its own Sunni terrorists working from inside its borders. If Sunni AQ in Iraq is getting help with EFPs (something I posted a thread on over 6 months ago because I found it appalling) it isn't coming from the Shia government of Iran.

Stop being such a two-dimensional nitwit in a multidimensional struggle, where sides of allegiance change about as much as you do your underwear!

I know you like it simple, but nothing about the Middle East can be distilled into only two camps. Its that type of thinking that finds us neck-deep in a shitpile. Last I checked, I was against doing it the way we've tried, but your side shouted all the reason down and now we're left with chaos. Its your baby, not mine. Change its goddamn diaper and stop asking us to do it for you!

And no, we're not going to be quiet about the fact that the whole thing stinks to high heaven. If you don't like it, then do something to fix it other than to impugn the integrity of those pointing out what a shitty job your side has managed to do without any help from us at all!

Blaming Iran for the actions of some terrorists coming from Iran would be like blaming Saudi Arabia for 9-11. Unless you have some proof that the government is involved then the case made against Saudi Arabia since 9-11 is, at least, as strong as the case made today against Iran.

We were able to listen to others in our past and surprisingly survived.


Who did we listen to that we did not later end up bomb the shit out of?

This sanctimonious shit about "the right can't trust Americans" to make up their own minds is absolute bullshit too.

Tell you what. I'll trust American's to make up their own minds when they elect leadership who doesn't immediately take the country to the toilet.

""Who did we listen to that we did not later end up bomb the shit out of?""

How about the USSR???

I remember Kruschev saying "we will bury you."

How about Communist China???

""This sanctimonious shit about "the right can't trust Americans" to make up their own minds is absolute bullshit too.""

Then why are they so afraid of Americans hearing what the man had to say??? When we are afraid to listen then we really are in trouble.

The Saudis funded and manned the 9-11 attack on our country. The Saudis have more foot soldiers and weapons on the ground in Iraq than Iran, al-Qaida or the Sunnis. The Saudis do not want a US victory in Iraq.

The case against Iran is very weak. Iran and Syria provided intelligence and other material support to the United States after 9-11 to help us beat the Taliban. BushCo took this help and then shit on both of them. Media fools regurgetate unsubstantiated BushCo claims of Iranian complicity in Iraqi violence.

Yet, never one negative word is spoken about the abysmal Saudi Government. One of the most evil on the planet, and our partners in spawning discontent and terrorism throughout the Moslem world.

""Media fools regurgetate unsubstantiated BushCo claims of Iranian complicity in Iraqi violence."

It is definitely reminiscent of the run-up to the Iraq invasion. The same pundits who now pretend to have opposed the invasion still do not bother to punch the obvious holes in the Bush administration's attempts to demonize Iran.
Corporate ownership has its priveleges.

The right is so afraid this guy will say anything conciliatory to the US and the west, that he might lessen the tension, reduce the liklihood (excuse for) of war that they are afraid to let him speak. Now the Bill of Rights is unAmerican according to most right wing nuts.
Why doesn't the right trust Americans enough to allow them to hear our enemies and judge for themselves whether they pose a threat. We were able to listen to others in our past and surprisingly survived.

Posted by danni at 2007-09-24 03:41 PM |


Any Chamberlins' in your lineage?

I know Tony, you actually love our country, that's why you take every opportunity to shit on it. You're disgusting.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2007-09-25 10:40 AM |


Tony's been working this board for a long time now. I don't know exactly what nationality Tony is but I damn sure know what he's not, and that my friend, would be An American.

evidence that Iran is supplying EFP's.

Yeah yeah just like the evidence of weapons of mass destruction!

Nothing this administrations says can in anyway be regarded as truthful, nothing!

Gee Danni, Federal Judge Royce C Lambert totally disagrees with you. He has recently passed a judgement against Iran for Hezbollah's bombing of the Beruit Marine Barracks in 1983. A judgement AGAINST Iran for 3.5 BILLION dollars.

How dare you defend those shits.....Hypocrites to the MAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the dr left

Dave,

You mean this judge,

Fed Judge Of Possible Links To
Islamic Extremists
Globe-Intel.net World Exclusive

By Martin Dillon
6-8-2


A former White House aide with a Secret clearance warned US Attorney General, John Ashcroft a week after the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, that a Federal Judge with connections to Islamic fundamentalists, refused to authorize over 20 FBI wiretaps on Al Qaeda suspects before 9/11.

Barbara Honegger, now a Senior Military Affairs Research Journalist in the Department of Defense, named the judge as Royce Lamberth. He is the chief judge in the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. It meets once a week in the Justice Department to consider wiretap requests.

No you dip shit

What's the big deal if the Iranian president wanted to visit ground zero? Do we really mean to say to him "Hey, only OUR president can use that place for political gain, not YOU"?

If we didn't want him to be in the country, deny him a visa.

As he is a member of the UN we are obligated to allow his visit. But having the head of a country KNOWN to support Hezbollah come and visit the site of 9/11 is NOT required, and rightly denied.

The Iranian leader is playing to the American left, and the American left is playing to him.

Posted by FredFlintstone


Ouch!

""Gee Danni, Federal Judge Royce C Lambert totally disagrees with you. He has recently passed a judgement against Iran for Hezbollah's bombing of the Beruit Marine Barracks in 1983. A judgement AGAINST Iran for 3.5 BILLION dollars.""

Oh, the crime during the Reagan administration that President Reagan did nothing about. The one that occurred after President Reagan traded arms for hostages.
So now, more than twenty years later we should retalliate??
So now, more than twenty years later we are supposed to feel threatened by Iran???

You righties wish Americans would feel frightened by Iran like you fooled them into feeling about Saddam but unfortunately over 70% supported Columbia's decision to let him speak.
Sorry, America believes in freedom of speech, even unpopular speech.
I know, that's a concept too complicated for right wing brains.
Trust me though, the founding fathers would have approved.
Back into your right wing coma.

Incubus Con

You certainly aren't an American.

Americans are for liberty, freedom, and justice for all. Everything you stand against.