This plan costs less per YEAR as Bush spends in Iraq in a WEEK.

What a moron

This plan costs less per YEAR as Bush spends in Iraq in a WEEK.

God didn't tell him to insure children, he told him to nation build in Iraq, and if god tells him to do something, he'd better do it.

People who earn $100,000 a year should buy their own private insurance. This bill is simply an attempt at creeping into natioanlized insurance.

It's HillaryCare 1.7

...making it difficult for states to steer CHIP funds to families with incomes exceeding 250 percent of the official poverty level.

I see Vernon and his calculator are back at work again. Yo Vern, what's 250 percent of the poverty level? I can tell you what it ISN'T and thats $100,000!

And by the way, did you realize this was going to be funded by raising the cigarette tax by .61 per pack? Our children's health isn't worth smokers paying more for their deadly habit? Spoken like a true knee-jerk idiot and someone that only cares what government delivers to them, screw everybody else!

VERNON

You'd better not ever darken the doorway of a VA hospital. That's 'government health care'!! Egads !!

Well, at least it USED to be better care until VA hospitals started filling up with Iraq vets.

No Social Security benefits for you either you. No Medicare. Nada.

PS Government health care is far more efficient with 2% 'administrative fees' as opposed to 20% for private health insurers - who's primary motive is PROFITS, and not your health.

Why should smokers finance health insurance for poor families? sounds like more "rob from the rich(people that can afford insurance and cigarettes) and give to the poor(people that can't). Just like Vernon said....one step closer to socialism.

Bush probably needs to check in with his "Higher Father" on this one. My guess is the "Man Upstairs" prefers vaccinating kids to dropping bombs on them. Call me irresponsible.

Good move.

You would think Bush would like to keep kids in tip top shape so they could be sent to die in the war he recklessly started.

"You would think Bush would like to keep kids in tip top shape so they could be sent to die in the war he recklessly started."

Nah, he's a Republican. They'll do anything in the world for you while you're a fetus, but as soon as you're born, you can go fuck yaself.

Nothing must interfere with the flow of cash to KBR, Blackwater, etc. Screw the kids. They don't vote Republican, anyway. And they can't donate to GOP PACs.

Why should smokers finance health insurance for poor families? sounds like more "rob from the rich(people that can afford insurance and cigarettes) and give to the poor(people that can't). Just like Vernon said....one step closer to socialism.

People that smoke are disproportionately poorer than the average. So they would be subsidizing themselves moreso than others. I guess its fine when workers subsidize tax breaks for the wealthy and corporate welfare. I never see righties complain about these types of redistribution or wax idiotic about falling into a socialistic state as money moves upward. Wonder why?

And by the way, did you realize this was going to be funded by raising the cigarette tax by .61 per pack? ...,>/I>

The Democrats plan on paying for their CHIPs program by screwing over U.S. senior citizens in the Medicare program by pulling $22 billion AWAY from Medicare payments and instead give that money to pay for the CHIPs program which will give coverage for ALL illegal aliens up to AGE 25.

In order to cover the illegal aliens with the CHIPs program the Democrats are more than happy to jeopardize health care for the elderly. Social security recipients on Medicare are seeing their medical/hospital care placed in danger of disappearing because so many U.S. doctors and hospitals have had their fees drop more every year (thanks to Bush cutting back payments) and are faced with either hiking their fees and making their elderly patients pay the increase out of pocket or else just go out of the medical field altogether.

Now the Democrats, in their neverending fetish for taking away from U.S. citizens in order to give everything to illegal aliens -- are perversly going to help Bush in his quest to destroy the Medicare program by taking even more millions out of it to give instead to a health plan that will cover illegal aliens.

Bush is vetoing this bill because he caters to big business and the insurance industry.

The Democrats want this bill because they cater to illegal aliens

And U.S. citizens, particulary the elderly we used to call the "greatest generation" who are now on Medicare -- who caters to them? NOBODY.

sorry about the italics. they should have stopped after:

And by the way, did you realize this was going to be funded by raising the cigarette tax by .61 per pack? ...,

Interesting, this commission of political suicide by the President representing Republicans.

I wonder if Mr. Bush knows that he's operating so as to confer a windfall on the Democrats at the next election.

There are dire consequences for the Republican Party resulting from this posture. It's not going to fly. I'm opposed to "socialized medicine," but ...

I recognize that we have made medical advances so that treatments are now available that can save lives, and that they are beyond the ability of most people to secure based on their personal incomes. Also, the availability of insurance distorts the scene.

A friend of mine had a stent inserted recently and had an overnight stay at the hospital. He was charged $61,000. As his insurance had a contract with the hospital, the charge was reduced to $41,000. There were also physical's fees, lab tests, and other associated costs.

If he had not undergone the procedure, it would have had a serious negative effect both on his quality of life and his longevity. It would have been a "death sentence" by omission if available resources had not been utilized.

The fewer people insured, and they constitute a sort of elite, who more likely participate in the political process, the more certain it is that an unmanageable plan will be instituted. This plan to cover children has been managed very effectively in my state, and its withdrawal because the President is stubborn and does not want it elaborated as a precursor to "socialized medicine" would be enough to even alienate my vote if the GOP supports his veto.


This is utter political stupidity. Nothing else. It's a mad place to take a stand. It's the wrong issue embraced at the wrong time. If anything, it shows less awareness of circumstances than the President's gambit on illegal immigrant status and policy did.


Reviling the President may cease to be a "Move On Now" spectator sport if he continues with this position. I can't believe the insensitivity to public opinion and consequences. Is he unaware? Or is he indifferent?

Well, the President and the GOP had better really really publicize what someone posted that this program would be funded by a raid on Medicare to pay for the costs, and also the extension of coverage to illegal aliens.

But Mr. Bush has done everything possible to lure illegal aliens here and simplify their entry. It's sort of counter to his policy regarding illegal aliens to oppose provisions, such as extension of health care resources that would attract them.

By the way Mr. President, where's the fence that you promised would be constructed to limit access to this country by illegal aliens?

By the way Mr. President, where's the fence that you promised would be constructed to limit access to this country by illegal aliens?

Where's the 3% pay raise for the military Bush calls 'too much'?

I could find nothing about Medicare being raided to pay for CHIPS. Bush is proposing cuts to Medicaid, the program that administers the CHIPS program.

Johnson

Let's face it. Bush doesn't give a shit about Americans.

CHIPS inclusion of more kids is proposed to be funded by a raise in the cigaretter tax, and cost per YEAR what Bush spends in Iraq in a WEEK.

Tell me where his priorities are. NOW he's asking for another $200 BILLION for Iraq - the war that we were told would cost $50 Billion and be paid for with Iraqi oil revenues. Remember that?

What a LYING, TREASONOUS, MORALLY BANKRUPT, MURDERING, DEMONIC, EVIL, SICK, TWISTED, GREEDY, BLACKHEARTED BOOGER EATING MORON the resident is.

This is so typical, talk out of one side and act out of the other.

Heck, with the rapture so soon upon us, we do kids even need healthcare?

Verm: It's getting embarassing, really, maybe you should marry one of those young gals you visit in the South Pacific ( I mean the age of consent is 10 so you're good to go), then you can stay there forever and the legend of Vermim: The Supid One will eventually fade from our collective memory.

People who earn $100,000 a year should buy their own private insurance. This bill is simply an attempt at creeping into natioanlized insurance.

It's HillaryCare 1.7

Posted by vernon
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Get over it. National health insurance is coming whether you like it or not. The US pays more for health care per person than anywhere in the US and is ranked half way down the ladder on who recieves it.More people today are without health coverage than ever. Health savings accounts are a joke. Let Johnny break an arm and the bill goes to around $3000.00. Try to replace that on wages that are going down because republitards think its OK to bring in cheap labor from across the border. When people don't have health care they don't treat minor problems until they become bigger problems. Sooner or later the problem gets fixed and paid but at a much higher price.This is inefficiency at it high point.Can you also tell me why its OK to bring in overseas goods at lower prices while eliminating jobs here but somehow its unpatriotic to bring prescription drugs from overseas here on the cheap?If you take all the money we are now spending and spent it better all would be insured.

People who earn $100,000 a year should buy their own private insurance. This bill is simply an attempt at creeping into natioanlized insurance.

It's HillaryCare 1.7

Posted by vernon
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I don't know if it is $100,000 or $80,000 as being the magic number but that is for a family not per person. If it's $100,000 they are in a 35% tax bracket which means federal tax alone has taken that figure down to $65,000. After state and local taxes who knows how far down they are. Remember they don't qualify for rent rebates, free food ,fuel etc because they make more than $40,000 for a family of four. Lets not forget that employers are now dropping health care for many of their employees and making them pay far more of the premium. For those who say make them pay the big downside is that unlike govt programs and employer sponsered plans individual plans DON'T HAVE TO BE RENEWED!!! That means when you start making claims for illness etc the premiums start to rise permanently and the company can drop you if they like. All this while at the same time you are paying top dollar for premiums because you are not in a group program. Let me hear the republitards try to squirm out of that one.As far as I am concerned the government has already taken its fair share out of everyones hide and giving something back is just a start. The government is lowering SS payouts in the future while raising the age to recieve them , companies are able to opt out of providing retirement benefits, most children no longer get ample help for further education including reducing the money available to loan out as well.(THEY ARE GOING TO PAY IT BACK!) Now on top of all this the govt wants us to be able to fund our own retirement and if we can't the solution is to listen to Rush Limbo and go out and start your own business or go back to school. Yea right. These people are in la la land!

National health insurance is coming whether you like it or not.

It should have been here at least a decade ago.

It is coming, patients who have private health insurance know it's coming. Doctors who have to deal with the current system know it's coming.

Even Tony Snow is beginning to see that it is coming.

NOW he's asking for another $200 BILLION for Iraq - the war that we were told would cost $50 Billion and be paid for with Iraqi oil revenues. Remember that?

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2007-09-22 06:50 PM | Reply

If Congress was smart they would attach the CHIPs bill to the Iraq spending bill Georgie requested. That way he could either sign it and the Dems get their way or he could veto it and cut off funding for the troops and then they come home.

But they won't.

People who earn $100,000 a year should buy their own private insurance. This bill is simply an attempt at creeping into natioanlized insurance.

It's HillaryCare 1.7

Posted by vernon

Oh, if only it were true.

But seeing how Vernon gets his info directly from Rush Limpbaugh it isn't.

If Congress was smart they would attach the CHIPs bill to the Iraq spending bill Georgie requested. That way he could either sign it and the Dems get their way or he could veto it and cut off funding for the troops and then they come home.

But they won't.

Posted by JimmyWallback
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Well they might not be smart but if this is possible this would be a shot across the bow. I hope somebody sees this and passes it on. The dems don't get many chances of a win win situation but this has all the markings of one.

Bush is an asshole and the only president I've seriously hated a lot. If he were to die i would not care. He's worst than Nixon.

President Cheney?

PRAY for Junior's good health.

I don't know if it is $100,000 or $80,000 as being the magic number but that is for a family not per person.

The cutoff is $51,000 a year for a family of four to qualify for CHIPS

Oh my God!

We better change the bill so Bush won't veto or put it on hold.

DNC

Good, we don't need more socialism.

Ron Paul wouldn't support this crap, yet everyone seems to love him here. But if Bush does it, it's bad.

Why don't the governors raise taxes on cigarettes or cut Medicaid to the elderly to expand the program? After all, that's what the Dems are doing. If it's such a good idea, after all.

The children of these parents really should have know better.

"one step closer to socialism."

Yeah...let's get rid of all the socialism programs. Let's start by disbanding all law enforcement agencies. See ya Homeland Security. Those should all be private businesses. Then we won't need the Patriot Act anymore.

"one step closer to socialism.", so denying poor children healthcare takes us one step away from socialism? in that case, I support children's heatlhcare, if that is socialism. so what. All those senators and congressmen get gree gov. healthcare, instead of denying kids, lets deny all the gov. workers healthcare, it's socialism.

simple solution: don't have kids. save your $$

Our theme for today comes from George W Bush: "Freedom is the desire of every human heart."
When the president uses the phrase, he's invariably applying it to various benighted parts of the Muslim world. There would seem to be quite a bit of evidence to suggest that freedom is not the principal desire of every human heart in, say, Gaza or Waziristan. But why start there? If you look in, say, Brussels or London or New Orleans, do you come away with the overwhelming impression that "freedom is the desire of every human heart"? A year ago, I wrote that "the story of the Western world since 1945 is that, invited to choose between freedom and government security,' large numbers of people vote to dump freedom the freedom to make your own decisions about health care, education, property rights, seat belts and a ton of other stuff."

Last week freedom took another hit. Hillary Rodham Clinton unveiled her new health care plan. Unlike her old health care plan, which took longer to read than most cancers take to kill you, this one's instant and painless just a spoonful of government sugar to help the medicine go down. From now on, everyone in America will have to have health insurance.
Hooray!
And, if you don't, it will be illegal for you to hold a job.
Er, hang on, where's that in the Constitution? It's perfectly fine to employ legions of the undocumented from Mexico, but if you employ a fit 26-year-old American with no health insurance either you or he or both of you will be breaking the law?
That's a major surrender of freedom from the citizen to the state. "So what?" says the caring crowd. "We've got to do something about those 40 million uninsured! Whoops, I mean 45 million uninsured. Maybe 50 by now." This figure is always spoken of as if it's a club you can join but never leave: The very first Uninsured-American was ol' Bud who came back from the Spanish-American War and found he was uninsured and so was first on the list, and then Mabel put her back out doing the Black Bottom at a tea dance in 1926 and she became the second, and so on and so forth, until things really began to snowball under the Bush junta. And, by the time you read this, the number of uninsured may be up to 75 million.
Nobody really knows how many "uninsured" there are: Two different Census Bureau surveys conducted in the same year identify the number of uninsured as A) 45 million or B) 19 million. The first figure is the one you hear about, the second figure apparently entered the Witness Protection Program. Of those 45 million "uninsured Americans," the Census Bureau itself says over 9 million aren't Americans at all, but foreign nationals. They have various health care back-ups: If you're an uninsured Canadian in Detroit, and you get an expensive chronic disease, you can go over the border to Windsor, Ontario, and re-embrace the delights of socialized health care; if you're an uninsured Uzbek, it might be more complicated. Of the remaining 36 million, a 2005 Actuarial Research analysis for the Department of Health and Human Services says that another 9 million did, in fact, have health coverage through Medicare.

Where are we now? 27 million? So who are they? Bud and Mabel and a vast mountain of emaciated husks of twisted limbs and shriveled skin covered in boils and pustules? No, it's a rotating population: People who had health insurance but changed jobs, people who are between jobs, young guys who feel they're fit and healthy and at this stage of their lives would rather put a monthly health-insurance tab towards buying a home or starting a business or blowing it on booze 'n' chicks.
That last category is the one to watch: Americans 18-34 account for 18 million of the army of the "uninsured." Look, there's a 22-year-old, and he doesn't have health insurance! Oh, the horror and the shame! What an indictment of America!
Well, he doesn't have life insurance, either, or homeowner's insurance. He lives a life blessedly free of the tedious bet-hedging paperwork of middle age. He's 22, and he thinks he's immortal and any day now Hillary will propose garnishing his wages for her new affordable mandatory life-insurance plan.
So, out of 45 million uninsured Americans, 9 million aren't American, 9 million are insured, 18 million are young and healthy. And the rest of these poor helpless waifs trapped in Uninsured Hell waiting for Hillary to rescue them are, in fact, wealthier than the general population. According to the Census Bureau's August 2006 report on "Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage," 37 percent of those without health insurance that's 17 million people come from households earning more than $50,000. Nineteen percent 8.7 million people of those downtrodden paupers crushed by the brutal inequities of capitalism come from households earning more than $75,000.

In other words, if they fall off the roof, they can write a check. Indeed, the so-called "explosion" of the uninsured has been driven entirely by wealthy households opting out of health insurance. In the decade after 1995 i.e., since the last round of coercive health reform the proportion of the uninsured earning less than $25,000 has fallen by 20 percent, and the proportion earning more than 75 grand has increased by 155 percent. The story of the past decade is that the poor are getting sucked into the maw of "coverage," and the rich are fleeing it. And, given that the cost of health "insurance" bears increasingly little relationship to either the cost of treatment or the actuarial reality of you ever getting any particular illness, it's entirely rational to say: "You know what? I'll worry about that when it happens. In the meantime, I want to start a business and send my kid to school." Freedom is the desire of my human heart even if my arteries get all clogged and hardened.
I was glad, at the end of Hillary Health Week, to see that my radio pal Laura Ingraham's excellent new book, "Power To The People," has shot into the New York Times bestseller list at No. 1. It takes a fraudulent leftist catchphrase (the only thing you can guarantee about a "people's republic" is that the people are the least of it) and returns it to those who mean it to those who believe in a nation of free citizens exercising individual liberty to make responsible choices.
Do you remember the so-called "government surplus" of a few years ago? Bill Clinton gave a speech in which he said, yes, sure, he could return the money to taxpayers but that we "might not spend it the right way." The American political class has decided that they know better than you the "right way" to make health care decisions. Oh, don't worry, you're still fully competent to make decisions on what car you drive and what movie you want to rent at Blockbuster.

For the moment.
But when it comes to the grownup stuff, best to leave that to Nurse Hillary.

What's the latest from the Weekly Reader poll, Incubus?

no illegal left behind...

The most wreckless spender in the history of the United States feels guilty and wants to balance the budget now on the backs of the poorest most helpless members of society. Shrub thinking is motivated by his love for the person he admires most, Jesus.

This is all just retaliation for the remarks made by those kids on Kid Nation...