What a dumb-ass.

Did anyone see the picture of this chick on Drudge?

Jesus Christ what a disgusting toad of a bitch.

She looks like ubiquitous hippie mud-hens that infest Berkeley in their stupid fucking earth-tones.

Art?

That wasn't "art", Moonbeam---that was incandescent stupidity. Like the cop said, you're real lucky you're in a jail cell instead of a morgue.

MIT??
How would an idiot like this get into MIT???

How would an idiot like this get into MIT???

1.) Write an essay full of left-wing platitudes that appeal to the committee.

2.) Then check the "Pacific Islander" box on the application.

Goddddddddddddddd I have done some stupid things in My lifetime but This takes the cake. What the fuck was She thinking. My God Have Mercy.

Larry

She was obviously desperate for attention. Now she got it. Hope she's happy - and convicted.

It's a wonder some Cop didn't blow Her to smitherings. My God how fucked up is that. even I have more brains than that.

Larry

Lucky she wasn't shot... apparently she had a circuit board, wiring and putty on her... That's fucking nuts to do anywhere, in an airport its clinically insane.

Especially at Logan.

She should have had her fucking ovaries tazered!
Sincerely,
John Kerry

Tasers are bad 101... she should have had a chair thrown at her.

As David St. Hubbins was wont to say...

There's a fine line between clever and stupid.

I'm wondering if somebody will sue this broad for her potential earnings (which seem to have been greatly reduced due to this stunt) for scaring the shit out of them?

At the very least she should pay all court costs, overtime costs, jail costs, etc.
What a dumb thing to do.

Why am I not surprised that the right wing mouth breathers attack her for her looks? Just like your hero Rush attacked a 13 year old girl.
Typical.

"In a sentence, I'm an inventor, artist, engineer, and student, I love to build things and I love crazy ideas," the website says.

Before we get ahead of ourselves...

Would a real terrorist wear a bomb circuit board on their SHIRT? Before getting on the plane?

I think this is another case of paranoid Boston authorities jumping the gun.

Have we already forgotten 1-31-07?

How can somebody be so smart yet so stupid?

I think this is another case of paranoid Boston authorities jumping the gun.

I hope that was satire.

Many a Genius can tell You about plato chopin etc etc but can not pour piss out of a boot with the instructions writen on the heel.

Larry

I think this is another case of paranoid Boston authorities jumping the gun.


Posted by Duckman at 2007-09-21 02:46 PM | Reply


I think you're about the dumbest cunt to ever post here. All kidding aside.

"I think you're about the dumbest cunt to ever post here"

I can think of others worse.

BTW....must you use the "C" word?? Geez, that's a horrible word.

But I still love ya!

I think you're about the dumbest cunt to ever post here. All kidding aside.

Posted by 101Chairborne

Don't worry poodle, your title is safe.

Posted by Duckman at 2007-09-21 02:46 PM

I think you're about the dumbest cunt to ever post here. All kidding aside.

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2007-09-21 03:07 PM

Did 101 fail biology class?

Chairpoodle is a member of AFVUWC:

Americans for Family Values and Using the Word "Cunt"

I dunno, I definitely think it was a dumb move on her part, and I agree she should be questioned on it, and if she didn't answer questions about it she is definitely in the wrong, but come on, a real terrorist is not going to parade around the terminal with a circuit board strapped to their chest with little L.E.D.s on it.

As for the "c" word, well, if you have to resort to using it to make your point, I think you've shown your level of intellect right there.

The fact that this idiot referred to the fake bomb as "art" reminds me of a conversation me and friend had with a hippy in Haight Ashbury:

My Friend: He man, what's going on....

Hippy: IGNORANCE, nobody is buying my ART.

Me: (looking down at the the drawings he has that were almost certainly done with one of those spirograph toys I had in kindergarten) I'm not even buying that its art.

We laugh and walk away.

My buddy said "Hey man, what's going on." We were not talking to an action figure from the 80's.

Don't worry poodle, your title is safe.

Posted by RastaCyborg at 2007-09-21 03:12 PM | Reply


This from the guy who achieved his goal of "truck driver".

It Looked Like Exactly What It Was, A Crappy Circuit Board On A T-Shirt. Not Hidden In Plan Sight, Damn Ugly Art But Then Again What Do You Expect From A MIT Geek ?

Well The Same Could Be Said For The "Pork chop" Daddy Bush Hung Around George's Neck When He Went To School.

-Sarge

I think most Lefties, especially students, don't understand that we are a nation at war. They think it is all a big joke. They really believe their own bullshit that the "War on Terror is not real and just Bushie propaganda.

I'll bet this student was shocked to discover that her government really does take the threats facing this country seriously and is doing whatever it can to safeguard this nation.

I think most Lefties, especially students, don't understand that we are a nation at war. They think it is all a big joke. They really believe their own bullshit that the "War on Terror is not real and just Bushie propaganda.

I'll bet this student was shocked to discover that her government really does take the threats facing this country seriously and is doing whatever it can to safeguard this nation.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-09-21 03:42 PM | Reply |

Really bowa? This is either a troll, or you really don't read much. My guess is its a troll. I mean your telling us here that most lefties simply believe this to be a "wag the dog" movie eh? And that when left leaning sites quote the death stats, that we all have a big laugh because we know these people didn't really die.... Yeah that makes alot of sense.

Fucking bias will sink your boat every time.

I'll bet this student was shocked to discover that her government really does take the threats facing this country seriously and is doing whatever it can to safeguard this nation.

Posted by Bowa

You are truly clueless. I think she knew exactly what was going to happen.

I truly wish they would have gunned her down without retribution. Hippie virus.

You are truly clueless. I think she knew exactly what was going to happen.

Posted by RastaCyborg at 2007-09-21 04:00 PM | Reply


You think she wanted to be arrested and have this on her record forever? She won't even get a job driving a truck after she answers "yes" to the "Have you ever been arrested? If Yes, please explain." question that all employers ask.

"She won't even get a job driving a truck..."

What if she emigrates to Mexico?

Okay Chairpoodle, why do YOU think she did it?
"Because she's CRRRRAAAAAZZZYYY!!!"
She's goes to MIT, moron, she's not an idiot.
Do you believe that she thought nothing would happen and she'd just stroll out of the airport with no problem?

I dunno, I definitely think it was a dumb move on her part, and I agree she should be questioned on it, and if she didn't answer questions about it she is definitely in the wrong, but come on, a real terrorist is not going to parade around the terminal with a circuit board strapped to their chest with little L.E.D.s on it.

As for the "c" word, well, if you have to resort to using it to make your point, I think you've shown your level of intellect right there.

Posted by Duckman

I have spent a fair amount of time in airports and my motto is "Don't fuck around in the airport." A person wearing this "art" getup wouldn't necessarily have to be a terrorist - maybe just a garden-variety anarchist or local crazy with a working knowledge of bombs. Bottom line: if you can get wrestled to the floor for simply uttering the word "bomb" in an airport, guess what happens when you show up dressed up as this helium-head did.

Oh, and I've been arrested several times and I DID get a job driving a truck, so you're wrong as usual.

This is complete overreacting. How in the hell is 9 LED's powered by a 9V battery a fake bomb?
You ever seen one of those baseball caps with the LED's they have at the carnivals?
If a kid is wearing one of those, is he wearing a fake bomb?

You people have lost your fucking minds. 9 LED's is a fake bomb?

Bullshit. If that's a fake bomb, if we're going to piss our pants over this, then it's time to ban
ALL electronics on every flight, and throughout the airport.
No cell phones, no iPods, no digital cameras, walkmans or laptops anywhere in an airport. They're all fake bombs, if this is one.

She's goes to MIT, moron, she's not an idiot.

You can score 1600 on your SAT and still be an idiot. This story is proof. duh.

She's goes to MIT, moron, she's not an idiot.
Do you believe that she thought nothing would happen and she'd just stroll out of the airport with no problem?

Posted by RastaCyborg at 2007-09-21 04:08 PM | Reply


If she believed that she would be arrested and did it anyway doesn't that prove she's an idiot? Let me guess, you think smart people stroll in to an airport with mock-ups of bombs?

I'm sure your priors are for smoking pole at the truck stop and not carrying a fake bomb in to the airport Rasta.

Case Closed !

-Sarge

Posted by Sarge at 2007-09-21 04:20 PM | Reply


You're a fucking retard. Do you know what a misdemeanor is? Do you think carrying a mocked up bomb in an airport is a misdemeanor?

She's goes to MIT, moron, she's not an idiot.

I have a cousin who was in the top percentile of the top percentile of his HS class. He was listed as one of teh top 100 lawyers in the state of Texas by Texas Monthly magazine a few years ago. Yet this person literally does not know which is the hot water tap. He can't drive and pays over $2000/six months for liability alone because of all the accidents he has had. He actually has to say "righty tighty lefty lucy". A good dinner out to him is Burger King. I took him to a nice restaurant once an paid. I told him to leave a tip for an$80 meal. He left a quarter. ( I augmented it, of course) In short he is an idiot. A good school cannot teach one not to be an idiot.

No, I believe she got arrested to make some kind of point or maybe she was suicidal and wanted to be killed, whatever. To say that she's just some idiot who didn't realize anything was going to happen is naive and moronic.

You are truly clueless. I think she knew exactly what was going to happen.

I don't.

Consider this:

ala my 'Taser Bro', look to see this new behavior of the YouTube age spreading in all directions...

"look at me!! look at me!! i'm taking a 'stand' against the man, in the name of all that is freedom, once and for all! now go buy shit off my website!!"

I can't understand how someone of such mental caliber could get into MIT? Oh wait a minute, yes I do...

I mean your telling us here that most lefties simply believe this to be a "wag the dog" movie eh?

I think most Lefty students believe that the war was manufactured so that Bush/Cheney could grab more power for themselves and their oil buddies.. They believe that the Iraq war was planned long before 2003. They believe that the "terror threats" and "red alerts' are all fake and done only to instill fear in the population so that the public will continue to go along with the Bush/Cheney power grab and "illegal" war in Iraq. Many of them also believe that 9/11 was an inside job.

I suspect that "Star Simpson" was of that mindset that the "War on Terror" is all a bunch of fake propaganda -- which is why she was upset that she got arrested for doing something she obviously believed was no big deal.

You're a fucking retard. Do you know what a misdemeanor is? Do you think carrying a mocked up bomb in an airport is a misdemeanor?

Posted by 101Chairborne




Student released on bail
During the hearing, Simpson smiled as she entered wearing a T-shirt and sandals. After she posted bail, she left in a taxi with a man who identified himself as her boyfriend, but neither would answer more questions from reporters.

No, I believe she got arrested to make some kind of point or maybe she was suicidal and wanted to be killed, whatever. To say that she's just some idiot who didn't realize anything was going to happen is naive and moronic.

Posted by RastaCyborg at 2007-09-21 04:24 PM | Reply


So she wanted suicide by cop perhaps? And earlier you were assuming I was going to say she's crazy...Perhaps you're right, she is crazy.

According to the police she didn't understand the seriousness of the situation...Why do you think that is? Would you understand the gravity of the situation? Is this something you would do, and if not, why not?


Norm you dumb-shit, why the Play-Doh? Perhaps to insinuate it was C4?

Keep in mind that acting shocked is the only way to legitimately support her defense.

If she really had no intention of raising an alarm, then she would have to be unaware that her "art" seems to intentionally resemble a bomb.

Claiming ignorance is essential to her slim hope of avoiding jail.

OJ simpson was released on bail as well retard, what's your point?

Norm, your "urine flowing down the legs" comment made me LOL. Good stuff.

Seriously, I do think we should take a step back here and realize that while there was a lack of common sense on the part of this girl, there also seems to be a lack of common sense on the part of the authorities. And the fact that a good number of people want to crucify this woman and ruin her life because she had the GALL to wear L.E.D. lights on her shirt in an airport is pretty disturbing too. I think everyone has just kind of lost their mind since 9/11, lefties and righties both.

"This from the guy who achieved his goal of "truck driver"

What's wrong with being a truck driver? Its not an easy job. And our economy relies on them HEAVILY.

Whoever brought up the other electronics in the airport has a point. Laptops, cell phones, even luggage is not checked when you first enter the airport. Why would the display of electronics warrant this reaction when there are all kinds of electronics threats in the terminal before peoples bags are checked. And even after. This girl hadn't even entered the building, but asked at the entrance about an arriving flight. Then walked away. She didn't even enter the airport.

Don't terrorists attempt to hide thier intentions before they strike? Knowing this, everyone carrying any common electronic device into the airport presents a greater risk than anyone displaying electronics in this manner. When you really think about it her display of "Art" made her the least likely terror suspect at the whole airport. I must agree that the authorities over reacted.

PNAC wanted to invade Iraq before Bush was even elected.

The United States had a policy of regime change for Iraq in place before Bush got elected as well.

What's your point.

Norm you dumb-shit, why the Play-Doh? Perhaps to insinuate it was C4?

Yep, you're right. Every can of Play-Doh and every stick of gum is fake C4.

Do you not see to what an extreme degree we lost the War on Terror? We're terrorized by fucking Play-Doh. It's fake C4.
RUN!!!!

I suppose her Play-Doh was simply a coincidence Norm and Duckman? I mean after all, every 19 year old MIT student carries that around...

The signs at every airport I've ever been to say something along the lines of "bomb threats or the mentioning of bombs are taken seriously". That was well before 2001.

You'd have to be an absolute idiot to claim anyone at the airport has over-reacted.

What happens to a high school kid that calls in a bomb threat? Everyone knows they're done for a day off and that nobody's ever done it, yet the kids are arrested. I suppose you think that should be ignored too?

WTF Bowa?
Do you even realize what you're typing. You just wrote this 9 minutes ago:

I think most Lefty students believe that the war was manufactured so that Bush/Cheney could grab more power for themselves and their oil buddies.. They believe that the Iraq war was planned long before 2003.

It's like dealing with 4 year olds.

Yep, you're right. Every can of Play-Doh and every stick of gum is fake C4.

Do you not see to what an extreme degree we lost the War on Terror? We're terrorized by fucking Play-Doh. It's fake C4.
RUN!!!!

Posted by Norm_ at 2007-09-21 04:38 PM | Reply


So why did she have it if not to simulate C4 Norm?

Should schools ignore a kid with a realistic cap gun walking towards campus?

Rasta,
432pm and 433pm...Quit dodging.

If she really had no intention of raising an alarm, then she would have to be unaware that her "art" seems to intentionally resemble a bomb.

Please explain how some LED's and a 9V battery intentionally resemble a bomb? What bomb have you ever seen that looks like that?

Did she have a big black ball with a lighted fuse?
Was it ticking? Did it have a numeric counter counting down?

Did she have sticks of fake dynamite with blasting caps and wires and the wires going to a detonator in her hand?

No, she had some flashing lights, and a lump of Play-Doh.
That's a bomb??????????????????????????

What bomb have you ever seen that looks like that?

I've never seen one. What DO they look like?

That's a bomb??????????????????????????

Posted by Norm_ at 2007-09-21 04:45 PM | Reply


Don't play stupid. I know that using the tv as a learning tool is a bad idea, but do you mean to tell me you aren't aware of what bombs look like? You are aware that even you can learn how to make a crude bomb using the net right?
You realize that a superball sized piece of C4 can blow a jet liner out of the sky right?

Come on, Norm, you're usually pretty reasonable. This chick was unfreakingbelievably stupid for pulling such a stunt at an airport, and I have no sympathy for her whatsoever.

So why did she have it if not to simulate C4 Norm?

Do we live in a free country or not? Does she have to have government permission to carry a lump of Play-Doh?
Is that where we're at? Are we that afraid?

I have a large kneadable eraser (basically play-doh) at work that I sometimes carry around to meetings, just to have something for my hands to do while we talk and think about a problem.

Am I carrying a fake bomb all over work? Listen to how ridiculous you sound.

"I've never seen one. What DO they look like?"

Apparently like a circuit board with LEDs and a lump of playdoh ;)

I don't think she pulled a "stunt," she made a shirt with L.E.D. lights on it, made the mistake of entering an airport wearing it, and now she's been arrested. Should she have thought this through a little better? Perhaps. But I think to suggest that if you dress in a way that makes some paranoid cops surround you with machine guns it is HER fault and she deserves what she gets is really a sad statement on where were are 6 YEARS after 9/11.

Do we live in a free country or not? Does she have to have government permission to carry a lump of Play-Doh?


Posted by Norm_ at 2007-09-21 04:51 PM | Reply


You aren't free to yell "bomb" at an airport, or "fire" in a crowded building. That would lead one to believe you can't bring a mock-up of a bomb in to an airport and act suspiciously on top of it.

Any other questions stupid?

Yelling "bomb" or "fire" shows definite malicious intent. I don't think there is malicious intent here.

I've never seen one. What DO they look like?

Posted by goatman


Apparently the Logan airport authorities don't know what a bomb looks like either. Another victory for Homeland Security!
BTW Goatman, if you want to learn about home made bombs just join a militant anti-abortion group. They have a lot of experience with building and using them.

"No, she had some flashing lights, and a lump of Play-Doh.
That's a bomb??????????????????????????
"

See, that's what I mean. Feign ignorance. Norm knows exactly why this woman was arrested but for some reason he's pretending that she didn't do anything suspicious. So he makes this ridiculous sophist arguement in her defense. As if it wouldn't be entirely obvious to anyone with the least bit of common sense how this deviced would be perceived at an airport.

I don't think there is malicious intent here.

Posted by Duckman at 2007-09-21 04:59 PM | Reply


What was her intent? Why did she wear that outfit that day, go to the airport that day, and have play-doh in her hand that day? What was her intent?

It's like dealing with 4 year olds.

I agree Rastacy, Lefties who believe in all that conspiracy stuff or the nefarious intent of the Bush administration are acting like 4 year olds.

101,

She didn't yell 'bomb'. She didn't make a threat, she didn't act suspiciously.

All she was, was an engineering nerd who put some LED's on her shirt to be creative and different, and had a lump of play-doh to play with.

Only the most paranoid pant pisser looks at that and screams "Oh my God, she's got a bomb!!!!!"

It wasn't a fake bomb, only and idiot would think it's a fake bomb, and that's where our nation is at.

The terrorists won. I'm going to keep repeating it until you admit it. If you can't even carry Play-Doh into an airport without it being considered a bomb threat, then it's all fucking over.

Play-Doh is not C4. It's not fake C4, it's not the threat of C4. It's not a bomb threat.

You're an Al-Queda wet dream. Do you think arresting this girl and banning Play-Doh from all airports actually makes you safer??

Freedom of speech is the right to yell THEATRE in a crowded FIRE!

- Abbie Hoffman

Hey Goatman, RE: your post about being an idiot and going to a good school, check this out:

Instead of thinking of intelligence as a continuum, think of it as a circle. Start with "Dumb" or "Idiot" (or the lowest point of intelligence) and go around the circle as intelligence increases. Now look at the highest point of intelligence (let's say "genius"). See where genius ends up? Right next to Idiot...

This chick may have gotten into MIT as a genius, but she sure is an idiot if she thought she'd get away with "expressing" herself in such a fashion!

I don't think there is malicious intent here.

I agree. I think there was just utter cluelessness that people could actually be taking the terror threat to the nation seriously.

As I said before, I'll bet Star simpson" is probably a Lefty who believes the 'war on Terror" is just Bushie propaganda, and she was shocked to discover that her government really does believe the threat of terrorist attack is real, takes threats facing this country seriously and is doing whatever it can to safeguard this nation.

What was her intent?

"She said that it was a piece of art and she wanted to stand out on career day," Pare said at a news conference. "She claims that it was just art, and that she was proud of the art and she wanted to display it."

What was her intent? Why did she wear that outfit that day, go to the airport that day, and have play-doh in her hand that day? What was her intent?

Let's see, what would the intent of some smart-ass lefty from MIT be. You know, one with the smug, elitist liberal mindset that thinks that the "war on terror" is a big joke -- and not real.

How about that she just wanted to show how stupid those low paid security guards are by walking thhrough baggage check and getting stopped by them because they are so dumb they can't figure out that she's just wearing some piece of artwork and they actually think it's a bomb.

I mean really, how low paid, stupid and paranoid do you have to be to stop some kid with a computer board with some play-doh and flashing lights on hit.

Hardee har har. How funny.

She Was Stupid But She Is An Artist And Inventor

Have You Gone To Her Website ?

She Has Robots, Powered Scooters, Electric Lighted Crap, And Electric Powered Skates.

She Wasn't Simulating A Bomb At All, Her Site Just Went Down, But She has All Kinds Of Crazy Shit She Has Made.

-Sarge

Norm, if you were walking down the street and someone punched you in the face and then called it "performace art", would you congratulate that individual being "creative" and "standing out"?

You can justify any absurd and illegal behavior as being "creative and artistic" is you are willing to put aside common sense.

Recall the woman who was detained for having heating pads in her luggage? She was on some TV news program; she recognized her particular case on another TV news program and came forward to tell her story of government morons.

A Midwestern housewife with back pain, she was taken into an interrogation room and asked, "Do you know Osama Bin Laden?"

It is good to know I'm safe from children with Play Doh.

By the way, where IS Osama?

Bowa, if she'd gotten through she would have bragged about how the morons at the airport didn't even stop someone with a device that could have been a bomb on them....

Fiber Optics would be kick ass on a Hoopty Mobile.

Larry

Bowa, if she'd gotten through she would have bragged about how the morons at the airport didn't even stop someone with a device that could have been a bomb on them....

Well, of course, either way - they are stupid and she's smart. That's the way of the Elitist mindset.

I think most Lefties, especially students, don't understand that we are a nation at war. They think it is all a big joke. They really believe their own bullshit that the "War on Terror is not real and just Bushie propaganda.

I'll bet this student was shocked to discover that her government really does take the threats facing this country seriously and is doing whatever it can to safeguard this nation.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-09-21 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

Worth repeating- a classic jump to conclusions "reasonable" post by Bowa.

She's an art student trying to get some attention.

Dumb, perhaps, but where was she? Not in a secure area or attempting to get into one. She got more attention than she expected. Lucky she wasn't tasered or shot.

But for Bowa that has to mean she's a "smart-ass lefty" and a snob, and that "her government" is taking her "threat" seriously.

Norm, if you were walking down the street and someone punched you in the face and then called it "performace art", would you congratulate that individual being "creative" and "standing out"?

Wow, congratulations on a meaningless analogy. Did she yell "bomb"? Did she hurt anyone in any way?
No. So how does your statement have any meaning?

Sully, let me ask you a question. If a person walked past you on the street wearing a T-shirt of someone getting punched, would you claim that you had been punched by that person?


That's all this is. A girl put some LED's on her shirt, someone pissed their pants and thought it was a bomb, and now you're all here saying she threatened to blow up Logan Airport.

That's all this is. A girl put some LED's on her shirt, someone pissed their pants and thought it was a bomb, and now you're all here saying she threatened to blow up Logan Airport.

Posted by Norm

Go back and read the description of the device. This would have caused a stir even back in 1979. This gal was trying to get attention and succeeded.

Did she yell "bomb"?

Effectively, yeah.

You know, one with the smug, elitist liberal mindset that thinks that the "war on terror" is a big joke -- and not real.

When a girl is arrested for carrying Play-Doh, while our borders and ports lie wide open, how can you claim the War on Terror is anything but a joke?

"Wow, congratulations on a meaningless analogy. Did she yell "bomb"? Did she hurt anyone in any way?
No. So how does your statement have any meaning?"

Because airline personnel have the right to inspect any electronic device you are carrying - let alone improvised devices attached to one's chest. She not only wore a suspicious looking device but ignored the airline employee when questioned about it.

She's not being charge with hurting anyone so your question as to whether anyone was hurt is pointless.

"Sully, let me ask you a question. If a person walked past you on the street wearing a T-shirt of someone getting punched, would you claim that you had been punched by that person?"

She's not being charged with something she didn't do. The charges don't include having a real bomb. My point regarding the "performace art" is that a sophist such as yourself can claim that anything is "art" - a piece of crap hanging from one's chest or a punch in the face.

"and now you're all here saying she threatened to blow up Logan Airport."

Sing a few bars of "If I Only Had a Brain" for me, Strawman. I never said that. Re-read the article, see what she's being charged with, then rejoin the discussion only if you understand what happened.

"Go back and read the description of the device"

Just look at the picture. What is it? about a 2" by 6" circuit board with a wired grouping of LEDs on its surface, and connected to a nine volt battery? Not much like any bomb I've ever seen. admittedly I haven't seen many.

But for Bowa that has to mean she's a "smart-ass lefty"

Sitdown, the fact that most students at schools like MIT are well to do and "Lefties" coupled with the fact that she was a bit angry that she got arrested and didn't even understand the gravity of what she did led me to believe that she thought it was no big deal and the police had overreacted. And for anyone in America to be that clueless about the heightened alert our country has been on the past 6 years, she has to either have been living in a cave or she just doesn't take the "War on Terror" seriously at all-- that it must be a big joke to her and something created by the Bushies to instill fear in the stupid public.

But if it turns out I am wrong, I will of course admit my error and stand corrected.

The War on Terror is a bigger joke than the war on drugs. Don't expect the 'lefties' or any citizens for that matter to buy into this CONSTANTLY AT WAR for the rest of our lives BS.

IT IS PROPAGANDA! Osama and a small group of fanatical criminals need to be pursued and punished just like any other criminal.

You can call it a WAR ON TERROR or a WAR ON CRIME or a WAR ON DRUGS but really it is a WAR ON REASON.

You want to turn the entire globe into a battlefield and a so called war that will last forever. THIS IS WHY PEOPLE GET THE IDEA THIS SO CALLED WAR IS PROPAGANDA.

can we call it a WAR ON NERDS?

When a girl is arrested for carrying Play-Doh, while our borders and ports lie wide open, how can you claim the War on Terror is anything but a joke?

Norm, and how did they know it was play-doh before they arrested her?

See norm, you suffer from the same swarmy ignorance that all monday morning quarterbacks suffer from -- that "they should have known" the bomb wasn't really a bomb before they got to inspect it.

That "they should have known the gun wasn't loaded" before they shot him for pointing it at them and starting to pull the trigger."

That "they should have known, Bin-laden planned to hijack 4 planes on the morning of 9/11 and fly them into buildings"

That "they should have known there was no WMD's before they invaded Iraq."

One of the most ironic things is that some of the stupidest people on earth are those who condemn others by saying "they should have known" and yet those stupid people think they are so so smart for saying it.

My point regarding the "performace art" is that a sophist such as yourself can claim that anything is "art" - a piece of crap hanging from one's chest or a punch in the face.

No Sully, you're the one who stated that a punch in the face was "performance art". I made no such claim. If you actually think I'm a sophist, you're not paying attention.

If she had walked into the airport and performed an actually action, if she'd yelled "bomb", I would not be supporting that.

If she had walked up to the airport wearing a device that ACTUALLY looked like a bomb, I would not support that either.

My point is that nobody can honestly look at that 'device' and claim it's a fake bomb, or a legitimate bomb hoax.
You all are being insane.

She had putty in her hands, and electronics on her shirt.

Now, I'm no demolitions expert, but I know that C4 requires direct connection to an electrical source for detonation, if it is to be detonated electronically. Otherwise, it can be detonated by compression, i.e. dropping it on the ground and stomping on it.

So even if she actually had C4, because it was not connected to a power source it would not have gone off.

(There was more to this post, but I don't want DHS knocking on my door. Basically it was an scenario involving C4 that would easily thwart airport security. Use your imagination.)

She's not being charged with something she didn't do.

Yes she is. She didn't intentionally create a fake bomb. She didn't create a bomb hoax. She wasn't carrying fake C4.

You're blaming her for security's freak out.

You're blaming her for security's freak out.

Assume that they didn't freak out, and she attempted to board a flight. You think the screeners wouldn't have pulled her aside?

Pretty dumb move.

Overreaction? Maybe.

(There was more to this post, but I don't want DHS knocking on my door. Basically it was an scenario involving C4 that would easily thwart airport security. Use your imagination.)

Posted by ness_gadol

That's the whole point. Who knows what are the real threats and what are just noodlings by misguided eggheads lie this broad? I saw a pic of the device and yes it did have a little 9V power source. If you were airport security, you would probably err on the side of caution when you saw this. But my guess is that you do not work in airport security and neither does Norm.

You all are being insane.

Posted by Norm

None of us were there, so we are here discussing it.

"If she had walked up to the airport wearing a device that ACTUALLY looked like a bomb, I would not support that either."

A bomb can look like anything. Sometimes they have circuit boards and batteries and wires running around. And the most common location for a bomb on a suicide bomber is one's chest. This is common knowledge. I'm calling you a sophist for your refusal to acknowledge what is obvious to anyone with a shred of common sense. Pretend to not know this stuff all you want but if you can manage to dress yourself in the morning, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

And what of her refusal to tell the airline employee what the device is? Does that seem like the behavior of an honest victim of a misunderstanding? Get real.

"My point is that nobody can honestly look at that 'device' and claim it's a fake bomb, or a legitimate bomb hoax."

At first glance, it very easily looks like a bomb. I find calling it "art" to be absurd.

"You all are being insane"

Sure, everyone else is crazy, not you.

My point is that nobody can honestly look at that 'device' and claim it's a fake bomb, or a legitimate bomb hoax.

You can't say that Norm, you weren't there. There was no way of the cops to know if what was on her "hoodie" was the entire device or was there more to it on her person.

Norm, and how did they know it was play-doh before they arrested her?

Did I say they couldn't inspect it? She's in a public place, security has every right to inspect her.

You're claim of needing to arrest her was false. Do they arrest everyone before they throw their nail clippers and shampoo bottles in the trash?
All security had to do was say "Excuse me miss, you need to stop for a minute."

Then they could have easily determined that it was NOT C4. They could have confiscated the Play-Doh for all I care.
Then they could have inspected the 'fake bomb' and determined in about 3 seconds that it was not a bomb.
They could have then confiscated that too.

That's what I would have done. Stop her, inspect the situation, sieze the offending materials and that's that.

But no, they had to freak out and over react. And they won't admit that they're wrong. She's being charged with Disturbing the Peace and Possessing a Hoax Device, both of which are false charges.

"So even if she actually had C4, because it was not connected to a power source it would not have gone off."

But she was wearing a power source on her chest and if it were C4, it could have been hooked to that source almost instantly.

Use some common sense, even if this woman didn't. Perhaps she's just clueless, but this seems to go beyond just poor judgement and into deliberately raising alarm.

"That's what I would have done. Stop her, inspect the situation, sieze the offending materials and that's that."

She ignored such a request and walked away, escalating the situation. Did you read the article?

But no, they had to freak out and over react. And they won't admit that they're wrong. She's being charged with Disturbing the Peace and Possessing a Hoax Device, both of which are false charges.

Posted by Norm

The story doesn't imply that anyone freaked out. There does seem to be some freaking out going on in here though.

I wonder who that old guy is in the car with her. Her boyfriend? He looks like a professor or something.

A bomb can look like anything. Sometimes they have circuit boards and batteries and wires running around. And the most common location for a bomb on a suicide bomber is one's chest. This is common knowledge. I'm calling you a sophist for your refusal to acknowledge what is obvious to anyone with a shred of common sense. Pretend to not know this stuff all you want but if you can manage to dress yourself in the morning, you know exactly what I'm talking about.

And I'm calling you a pant pisser for apaluding the arrest of a girl with 9 LED's and a 9V in plain view, while the whole time she was being arrested, thousands upon thousands of cell phones, iPods and laptops went into Logan Airport, any one of which could be packed with C4.

If someone really wanted to blow up an airport with C4, they would have done the EXACT OPOSITE of what this girl did.

That's where you ignore common sense. Suicide bombers don't put flashing LED's on their chest.

She doesn't look Muslim to me. Ergo, no bomb.

See how open-minded I am? I'm with the liberals on this one. I'll even call her stunt "performance art", in the spirit of love, peace, and play doh.

She ignored such a request and walked away, escalating the situation. Did you read the article?

Post a link, because I've read 4 articles and they all state she stopped when she was ordered to. I don't see any mention that she refused to answer questions.
All I have is this:

A Massachusetts Port Authority staffer manning an information booth in the terminal became suspicious when Simpson -- wearing the device -- approached to ask about an incoming flight, Pare said. Simpson then walked outside, and the information booth attendant notified a nearby trooper.
The trooper, joined by others with submachine guns, confronted her at a traffic island in front of the terminal.
"She was immediately told to stop, to raise her hands and not to make any movement, so we could observe all her movements to see if she was trying to trip any type of device," Pare said. "Had she not followed the protocol, we might have used deadly force."

i don't trust these intellectual types, people wearing glasses or ones that look kind of funny.. you know the type, you see them walking around looking all strange, sometimes carrying a book or two. Fuck the jihadists, these intellectuals are more of a danger to this great nation than anybody else, because they kind of blend in and thats what makes them dangerous.

That's where you ignore common sense. Suicide bombers don't put flashing LED's on their chest.

Posted by Norm

See MrFair at 4:09PM, above. "Ever been in an airport, Joey?"

"And I'm calling you a pant pisser for apaluding the arrest of a girl with 9 LED's and a 9V in plain view, while the whole time she was being arrested, thousands upon thousands of cell phones, iPods and laptops went into Logan Airport, any one of which could be packed with C4."

All of the devices you mentioned were presented for inspection when asked, that is why they were allowed through. Anyone who refuses to have their device inspected is detained. You know this.

I've repeatedly asked you to explain why she walked away when asked what the device was and how that fits in with your portrait of her as an innocent victim. You keep ignoring me because her behavior doesn't fit in with your characterizations of her and you know it. If you weren't being intellectually dishonest here, you'd have addressed that.

"And I'm calling you a pant pisser for apaluding the arrest of a girl with 9 LED's and a 9V in plain view, while the whole time she was being arrested, thousands upon thousands of cell phones, iPods and laptops went into Logan Airport, any one of which could be packed with C4."


I'm not applauding so much as calling her either an incredible dumbass or some kinda political type who may yet use this exposure to make some kinda statement.

From the article, which you claim to have read, Norm.

"The employee asked about the plastic circuit board on her chest, and Simpson walked away without responding, Pare said."

That clearly drew suspsicion and escalated the situation.

Pretend it didn't happen all you want but you're only fooling yourself.

What I learned from this thread... stay away from airports.

I'm not saying she shouldn't have been stopped.
I'm not saying she shouldn't have been searched.
I'm not saying her LED's and Play-Doh shouldn't have been confiscated.

What I am saying is that she should have been released and not arrested for having an "intentionally fake bomb".

I'm surprised a terrorist hasn't developed a device that goes off when bombarded with X-rays. Imagine the terror if bag inspectors at airports were the targets. Frankly, I'm a bit dissapointed by the supposed terorists lack of vision.

- Dr. Evil

"Security did their job. There was an item which they determined to be suspicious and they investigated.
Fine.
And they quickly realized it wasn't a bomb. So why was she arrested? It looks nothing like a fake bomb, it's not a fake bomb, so why is she being arrested for having a fake bomb? It's a ridiculous charge, and you know it. I predict she'll be found not guilty."

All airline employees are told to look out for weird looking electrical devices. They are not bomb experts but they are expected to keep their eyes opene. We all know this. They are told to look out for putty because it could be C4. They are told to raise an alarm if someone refuses a request to explain such a device or have it inspected. The combination of the three in this case caused reasonable suspicion and a very dangerous situation resulted. It isn't "pants pissing" to assume that someone whose behavior is inexplicably and seemingly intentionally suspicious in an airport could be out to harm people. Of course a smart terrorist is going to disguise the device. But not everyone intent on murder/suicide is thinking rationally. Some are more out of touch with reality than others.

She's been arrested because several aspects of her behavior in combination caused a situation where police had to pull their guns. It is impossible for most of us to fathom how anyone at an airport could be so painfully unaware of how such behavior is going to be perceived. If she had not done exactly as the cops said, they would have fired their weapons - in full accordance with their training. The student or an innocent bystander could have been killed or maimed and everyone involved - from the shooters to those who got shot to witnesses - would have their lives changed for the worse forever.

Even if you believe this is case of extreme cluelessness, you have to acknowledge that it came way to close to ending tragically - and not due to the fault of security who did exactly as they were supposed to do. You cause a situation that risks lives and you are going to be arrested. How you fail to comprehend that is beyond me so I think we'll have to agree to disagree and move on because I can't explain it any better than that.

"What I am saying is that she should have been released and not arrested for having an "intentionally fake bomb"."

I touched on this in my last post but to be more specific: She caused a very dangerous situation, her behavior seemed to be so blatantly suspicious as to appear intentionally so.

In other words, the cops are having a hard time believing that anyone could be so ignorant as to exhibit a list of behaviors that almost got her shot.

Wotta stOOpid story.

First off, Moonbeam McHippiechick shoulda realised she lives in an age of paranoia and that there was a high percentage change that folk were gonna flip out over her "art" at Logan airport.

Secondly, the asswipes as Logan are even more laughable and ridiculous than her.

Play-dough = C4?

A battery and a circuit board with flashing LEDs = Bomb?

Security officials at Logan = Fear-fuddled freaks.

Land of the Brave or the Fear-enslaved?

Yer choice.

Be Well.

PS: Luff the idiots telling her she's lucky she's not in the morgue. Bin Laden must read that shit and laff his freakin' ass off. S'rsly.

Norm - I give you this scenario, you are in an airport, a normal looking guy walks past you, it is warm outside but he appears to be wearing a heavy jacket, it is a bit bulky, he is nervous looking, and his eyes constantly scan around him. He gets to the middle of a crowd of people, and stops, you watch him, wondering why he keeps looking around, almost terrified, he reaches inside his jacket and pulls, there is a huge explosion, tiny shards of shrapnel and human body come flying through the air toward you, just as they enter your body and take your life I BET YOU WILL PISS YOUR PANTS.

"Play-dough = C4?

A battery and a circuit board with flashing LEDs = Bomb?"

A homemade C4 bomb would consist of putty, a battery and a circuit.

Not sure how you find that so hard to believe. Then again, rational people don't refer to themselves in the third person.

"You cause a situation that risks lives and you are going to be arrested."

Well hey! George Bush should've been arrested after going into Iraq. Regardless of his intent the situation risks lives everyday. And it was his decission to cause that situation.

"...tiny shards of shrapnel and human body come flying through the air toward you, just as they enter your body and take your life I BET YOU WILL PISS YOUR PANTS."

Yup, and nothing Logan security did this time around would stop that scenario. And I doubt anything we could do would stop that scenario. I'm choosing not to worry about it since there is nothing we can do to stop it.

By viewing a fuzzy picture on my computer monitor I can see that the "device" consists of about a half a dozen LEDs, a small data cable, a 12V cell, and maybe a resistor or two. Anyone with a basic understanding of electronics should be able to determine rather quickly that the circuit is completely harmless.

The problem is, and anyone who has ever studied engineering, science, or technology can attest to this fact, that most people do not have even a basic understanding of electronics, including baggage checkers and airport security personnel.

Someone else may have already pointed out the fact that something like this would not have gone unnoticed even before 09/11/01, but it is worth pointing out again.

Even though I hope she isn't convicted, this was just a stupid move on her part. The clay I think was what really convinced me of that. Seriously. Whether it's right or wrong, what did she really think was going to happen?



BTW ---> I hate nit picking (actually, I kind of like it), but I wish people would stop using the terms "circuit board" and "computer board." Please. It's a solderless breadboard. Thank you.

"...what did she really think was going to happen?"

Just a guess, but probably pick up her friend, show him the neat gadget she was wearing around her neck, and drive to career day. She'll probably not have much of a career left now.

Just a guess, but probably pick up her friend, show him the neat gadget she was wearing around her neck, and drive to career day. She'll probably not have much of a career left now.

If she is convicted, and if her parents aren't rich, that may very well be true. As I said, I hope she isn't convicted. She obviously didn't intent to hurt anyone. All I know is that if I were to attach an object which could be perceived as a plastic explosives detonator to my chest while simultaneously carrying around a material which could be perceived as a plastic exposive, I would not walk into an airport. Why? Because that would be dumb.

just as they enter your body and take your life I BET YOU WILL PISS YOUR PANTS.

Yep, and I'll die on my feet while you live on your knees. There's a way to fight terrorism without sucombing to fear.

And Sully, she didn't create your "very dangerous situation". Security did that when they pulled out their guns before asking questions, when they over reacted.

She walked away from the person at the info desk without answering a question. That's a far cry from refusing to answer a cop's question, or running from security.

Security never even attempted to question her before they whipped their guns out. So if an innocent bystander had been shot by cops so freaked out they had to whip out their guns, that wasn't her problem.


I do blame this girl for one thing. For not realizing what an up tight pant pissing culture of fear we've become after 9-11. I don't think this girl realized to what degree this nation has surrendered to fear.

That's the bottom line. This nation quakes in it's boots if a leaf falls, and anyone who doesn't realize that is going to get beat down.
Step out of line at a political speech or an airport or anywhere else, and you're going to jail because we live in a permanent state of fear now.

Welcome to the new America.

"I'll die on my feet while you live on your knees."

VIVA ZAPATA!

And he's gonna die on his knees anyway.
Don't forget to wipe your chin!

I think Norm is on the trail of this one..

The story of the Tasered Student and this one go together. We are now living in a State of Fear and we are turning into a Police State.

Welcome to Bush's Amerika.

Welcome to Bush's Amerika.

Posted by donnerboy

* * * *

Uh huh. I wonder how many votes Bush won among the unioned federal employees in Boston's Logan Airport.

A homemade C4 bomb would consist of putty, a battery and a circuit.

Uh-huh. And would it be on a teeshirt and carried in someones hand too or would a suicide bomber be a little more circumspect than that?

Not sure how you find that so hard to believe. Then again, rational people don't refer to themselves in the third person.

Rational people don't piss themselves with fear everytime an LED blinks off and on.

This girl made an unwise decision to wear this thing into an airport in todays ridiculous age of fear but the so-called security staff utterly failed to do their jobs properly and thus deserve to lose them.

This girl only needed to be let off with a warning.

Sully, yer fear is most unseemly and more than a little funny to Spud.

Be Well.

"ridiculous age of fear"

Age of bureaucratized, and utterly insane, fear.

There, fixed.


"Lost rights?"

I've been a pilot for 40 years, are you kidding?


You are all going to die.
Deal with it.

the fact that most students at schools like MIT are well to do and "Lefties" - Bowa


Bowa, you don't seem to understand my point, which is that you are making a truly idiotic statement here.

"most" students?

"schools LIKE MIT"?

"well to do and "Lefties""?

I just find those outrageous prejudices on your part. You have absolutely no right to make those assumptions.

And you always do.

Age of bureaucratized, and utterly insane, fear.

There, fixed.

Agreed, nice fix.

We haff nothin' to fear but bureaucracy and insanity itself!

You are all going to die.
Deal with it.

Spud finds a good way of dealin' with the fact that Spud is gonna die one day is to live every day before that with a certain amount of gusto and relish.

It's not that life is so short really, it's more the fact that death is sooooooo long.

Ya know?

Be Well.

"Ya know?"

Every day is a surprise.

----------

"incandescent stupidity"

Since compact fluorescents have required 5% of the energy for the same light for DECADES, and regular fluorescents are even better, and OLDER, that pretty well sums it up, Leo.

Amory Lovins' house has been running on 100 watts for years.

"What a waste."
-Cochise

Who played Tom Jeffords?

You have absolutely no right to make those assumptions. And you always do.

absolutely no right?

Sitdown,What are you going to do have someone arrest me? Intolerant lefty that you are I wouldn't be surprised if that's what you think should be done.

FYI: I don't "always" do anything. And I rarely make any assumptions.

But I certainly retain the right to assume anything I damn well want to assume.

At least when I do assume something, as I have here, it is based on some good ole common sense reasoning which is more then can be said of most of the assumptions I've seen made about things like the Bush Administration around here.

I told you what I based my assumptions on about Star Simpson and this event. I also said that if I am wrong about her politics and motive, I will gladly admit my error and stand corrected. In fact, I hope she does prove me wrong. That would be a breath of fresh air. But alas, I fear that I am right -- and that my cynical view of how hopelessly, angrily and delusionally Left our leading colleges have become is spot on.

Well The Same Could Be Said For The "Pork chop" Daddy Bush Hung Around George's Neck When He Went To School.

-Sarge

Posted by Sarge at 2007-09-21 03:40 PM

Sarge you were almost on the path to making sense and then you opened your mouth.

Sickoflibs-
We are very fortunate to have you here as the voice of reason and elevated dialogue:

Danni, If you werent such a stupid liberal bitch you might one day get a fucking clue. Odd are it will never happen so please continue in your usual stupid mindset.

Posted by sickoflibs at 2007-09-19 09:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is complete overreacting. How in the hell is 9 LED's powered by a 9V battery a fake bomb?
You ever seen one of those baseball caps with the LED's they have at the carnivals?
If a kid is wearing one of those, is he wearing a fake bomb?

You people have lost your fucking minds. 9 LED's is a fake bomb?

Bullshit. If that's a fake bomb, if we're going to piss our pants over this, then it's time to ban
ALL electronics on every flight, and throughout the airport.
No cell phones, no iPods, no digital cameras, walkmans or laptops anywhere in an airport. They're all fake bombs, if this is one.

Posted by Norm_ at 2007-09-21 04:14 PM

You jackass, if this was art just what the hell do you think she was trying to make it look like? It sure as hell wasnt a big mac. Anyone stupid enough to walk into an airport wearing something that resembles what could be taken as a bomb is just plain stupid and I dont care what school she went to.

Sarge,

Bush and Chenny driving record are not new news. At that time there were very small penalties for that. Why dont you try looking for something useful to the discussion instead of just trying to bash Bush every time you speak.

"Now that's a cool story!"

Shit happens, like genius cats.

Rock on.
Quicksilver girl.

Each day is a gift: The Present.

enjoy

OK, it must be said. Norm, you are an idiot.

I have a large kneadable eraser (basically play-doh) at work that I sometimes carry around to meetings, just to have something for my hands to do while we talk and think about a problem.

Norm,

Do you have wires and lights attached to your eraser? You dipshit, if you did that you would be taken down as well.

You fear that you are right, Bowa, about what college students think of the state we are4 in.

Most intelligent thing you ever said, i think

You fear that you are right, Bowa, about what college students think of the state we are4 in.

Most intelligent thing you ever said, i think

Cooper,

Did I mention that you are still a jackass?

I wonder if she goes to an art gallery to catch a plane?

I wonder what the reaction would have been had a fat redneck shown up in front of a black church, covered in long white robes, with a cross and an empty gas can.

"Yes, officer, it was empty. Besides, I don't even have a lighter--I was just doing this as performance art."

"Oh, Okay, then. We wouldn't want to waste our time with you--we're on the lookout for real terrorists--you know, the kind that would use real gasoline."

Boston needs to throw their represntatives out. This is the second time they've gone nuts over some flashy lights.

"And I rarely make any assumptions."
Posted by Bowa

Followed, in the same post with:

"But I certainly retain the right to assume anything I damn well want to assume."
"At least when I do assume something, as I have here..."
"I told you what I based my assumptions on about Star Simpson and this event."

Ya gotta love the self-retorting retort. And ya gotta be stunned by the Self-Retorting Hall Of Fame post when it comes along.

Oh Sicoflibs Brother Please !!

Driving Drunk Is A Dangerous Crime Period !!

I guess you have never lost a loved one and seen them cut in half by a Drunk; Driving A 1 Ton Duellie, well I have !

So you might not think it is serious, but I do.

-Sarge

Norm is really showing his idiocy here. Spud isn't far behind.

Ok... so there was a homemade circuit board with LEDs and a battery on her chest. Harmless right? If that is all it was, true. If it wasn't though...

Wires could have been run behind the board though her hoodie to a C4 belt around her waist or chest under her hoodie. No way of telling that. For that matter there could have been wires down her arm to the putty in her hands in such a color that they blended in whatever light there was with her skin tone.

Ok... so once security found it was a bomb they should have just laughed it off. "Hahaha.. the jokes on us!" Right? Wrong! Having people walking around with homemade devices strapped to their chest, with putty, in their hands or otherwise, that don't answer when asked what it is HAS to be discouraged. It makes their job harder to spot and deal with real threats if every Tom, Dick, and Harriet out there wants to be cool by wearing their homemade bomb "art".

Think it is succumbing to fear? Evidently the idiots that think this don't know the difference between living in fear and reasonable caution.

Should it have been obvious that it wasn't a threat because it was in plain view? Hell no. There are wackos that would do something like that just for attention before and during their little "suicide". Nobody ever said they thought she was a muslim terrorist that would try to hide it until they were on the plane. She could have been just a garden variety nutcase looking to suicide in a public place and take a few people with her at the same time while getting enough attention for herself while she does it.

once security found it was a bomb

Sorry... should read:

"once security found it WASN'T a bomb"

Wires could have been run....

Yes, they could have but weren't.

And an asteroid could impact the earth while Spud is typing this post and destroy all of us.

Spud never took you fer one of the terrorised, Moonman.

Bin Laden really got to you, didn't he?

In point of fact, the so-called security here over-reacted to a practically criminal level and all the righty tighties wanna do is bitch about this girls shirt like that's the problem here.

Clue to all fear-fogged RT's...

Quit apologising fer incompetence!!

Grow a fucking spine while yer at it.

Be Well.

moomanfl,

I agree that the "troopers," as the article referred to them, were right to arrest her. There was really no other way for them to be sure that she wasn't a threat, I suppose. She probably would have been arrested for doing this even before 09/11, although automatic weapons likely would not have been pointed at her. See my posts above.

My comment regarding sick's anger was aimed at sick and his anger. Man, that guy is angry.

Ok... so there was a homemade circuit board with LEDs and a battery on her chest. Harmless right? If that is all it was, true. If it wasn't though...


An alternative ending to your post, moom:

....if it wasn't true, though, she may have gone on to blow up something at the airport. A rewiew of the security tapes would show her entering the airport with this device on her. You know damn well the exact people on this post who are now supporting her and calling you a fear monger (Norm, Spud, et al) would be calling Bush and his homeland security a fraud and responsible for the dozens of deaths that occured. I dare them to deny this.

Spud never took you fer one of the terrorised, Moonman...

...Grow a fucking spine while yer at it.

Good. Don't start now. That comment was the most idiotic I have ever seen you make Spud... and generally I tend to think you are more intelligent that that.

Just because I am not afraid of traffic doesn't mean that I am going to cross without looking. There is a difference between fear, and caution when lives are at stake.

But, hey... if you think calling someone a "chicken" is supposed to make them ashamed and cave in to your viewpoint then have at it. I grew out of that mentality though when I left grade school.

"Wires could have been run...."

Yes, they could have but weren't.

Yes, and they had no way of knowing that in this case... or in future cases like it. So best just to lay down the line here and stop this type of practice altogether. They can't be wasting their time worrying about which homemade device might be a bomb and which isn't.

You know damn well the exact people on this post who are now supporting her and calling you a fear monger (Norm, Spud, et al) would be calling Bush and his homeland security a fraud and responsible for the dozens of deaths that occured

Ha!

I dare them to deny this

Spud is deny it most vehemently in between chuckles.

First off, it never happened cos she's not a freakin' terrorist. Secondly, Spud already calls Bush and his Fatherland Security Department a dozen different kinds of fraud. Don't need another incident fer that.

Now is Goat's turn...

All these over-reactions and swinging at ghosts typa stuff makes America look weak and ridiculous in an increasingly ugly and authoritarian kinda way.

Spud double dawg dares Goatman aka "The Kid" to deny this.

Be Well.

First off, it never happened cos she's not a freakin' terrorist.

Yes, we forgot that Spud, being the omniscient expert in every field (including security) knew before this story even broke that this girl was no terrorist. Furthermore he knew that it was so obvious at first glance that people should have just smiled as they watched the pretty light display and gone on their merry way.

Furthermore, he is soooo good that he can instantly tell at a glance on ANYONE which bombs are real and which aren't. No time would EVER be wasted by Spud looking at the wrong people. He is so good in fact that out of 50 people wearing homemade devices he could instantly tell you which one had the REAL device.

Why aren't you working in security at Logan, Spud? We would all sleep better at night. *snicker*

Spud is deny it most vehemently in between chuckles.

Your other posts on this blog, misguided as they are, can be attributed to partisian zeal and therefore forgivable and explained by uncontrollable knee-jerking. However, this is plain and simple intelliectual dishonesty. Everyone who reads your posts knows you would never pass up a chance to bash Bush, Spud. And the scene I painted above would be an ideal opportunity for you do just that.

BTW, speaking of dishonesty, you attributed a few things to me that were completely untrue. When I asked you to justify it you conveniently exited for the night. It's not too late to explain why you thought it necessary to assign those false attributes to me, Spud.

I remember reading somewhere, if I recall correctly, about clay being used somehow with explosives?

Clay mixed with nitroglycerine is called dynomite. The clay is used to make the nitro stable enough to handle it. "Sweating" in old sticks of dynomite is where the pure nitro starts to seep out of the clay which is why you always see them treating old dynomite sticks very carefully in TV and the movies.

Clay in this case could easily be mistaken for C4 explosives which is a putty.

MOOMANFL

Thanks. I remembered "clay" and "explosives" but that was all I knew about it. Remember Richard Reid the shoebomber who stuffed explosives in his tennis shoes?

Why aren't you working in security at Logan, Spud? We would all sleep better at night. *snicker*

Moom: Spud is punishing us Americans by not blessing us with his presence as long as W is president. He has stayed on the Canadian side of the border since 1999 he told us yesterday.

I guess he showed us.

Hopefully after W leaves office Spud will once again cross the 49th parallel and bless us with his infinite wisdom. Only then will America become the garden of roses that is Canada.

Clay in this case could easily be mistaken for C4 explosives which is a putty.

Spud would never make that mistake.

Funny how the argualby most avowed pacifist on the DR is thw one who knows best how to identify explosives.

I remembered "clay" and "explosives" but that was all I knew about it. Remember Richard Reid the shoebomber who stuffed explosives in his tennis shoes?

Sure do. Of course Spud is probably pissed off that people have to take their shoes off going through security. They shouldn't have to if they aren't a terrorist after all.

Spud is punishing us Americans by not blessing us with his presence as long as W is president. He has stayed on the Canadian side of the border since 1999 he told us yesterday.

My condolences to the canooks.

I guess he showed us.

Yes... I feel so chastened. Heh heh

It's not too late to explain why you thought it necessary to assign those false attributes to me, Spud.

Oh right.

Fer the record it was late and Spud somehow fergot what a reasonable and moderate Righty you are, Goat.

You've stated you are against the Iraq War and have been from the begining and Spud falsly attributed a pro-war position to you.

All apologies fer THAT.

Now back on topic.

Spud sed in his first post that the chick was dumb to wear this thing in an airport. Not cos it was wrong per se but because it was likely to be mis-interpreted as it was.

That sed, the girl and her shirt are not the problem here. The problem here is in accepting a climate of fear that encourages unthinking, unblinking compliance by members of the general public public.

That's the larger problem here and if you can't see that it's the larger problem ,if you continue to insist that the security were only doing their jobs and that they did the right thing here then you are quite simply a fool, a frightened sheep much more so than a Goat in Spud's eyes.

Spud calls 'em like he sees 'em.

Be Well.

The problem here is in accepting a climate of fear that encourages unthinking, unblinking compliance by members of the general public public.

Again Spud resorts to the kindergarten tactic of calling "chicken".

Tell me, Spud.... do you cross the road without looking?

If someone did, while traffic was coming and by pure luck didn't get hit, would you say they were smart just because they DIDN'T actually get hit?

That is the difference between doing something out of fear and doing it because you are cautious when lives are at stake.

I have yet to see you actually address this point. Instead you just pull a "broken record" and say it wasn't a bomb.

The problem here is in accepting a climate of fear that encourages unthinking, unblinking compliance by members of the general public public.


True story here spud. I'd like your opinion, if you don't mind giving it. (I presume you don't given your response so far on this thread)

Last week when I was returning from Brazil, I was checking in for my domestic flight in Houston. I noticed two unattended pieces of luggage near a stantion as I waited in the cue to get my boarding pass.

10 years ago I would not have thought twice about it. But today I do. I reported them. Am I an " unthinking, unblinking" fear monger as you are painting the others who err on the side of caution? This isn't a trick question Spud. I just wonder if my actions make me in your eyes another of those reprehensible pants pissers. AFter all these bags didn't even have visible clay, batteries, or circuit boards, so I presume that in your eyes I am even further off the deep end than Logan Security. Am I?

cue = queue

(of course)

Instead you just pull a "broken record" and say it wasn't a bomb.

Speaking of broken records...

Here's the deal, Kid.

Spud has no problem with security doing their jobs and ascertaining whether or not this woman's teeshirt represented a threat to national security.

They didn't do that.

They over-reacted.

They aimed automatic weaponry at her and afterwords sed she was lucky to still be alive.

Can you say over-reacted?

Spud imagines you can but still aint heard you say it yet which leads Spud to believe that you still can't see the problem here.

The larger problem.

Why are righty tighties so invested in the notion of the falsly constructed either/or argument?

Either this woman was wrong and security was right or security was wrong and this woman was right.

Clue to Goat and any other RT's playing along at home...

They were both wrong but in terms of degree, she was just thoughtless, the security asswipes were the dangerous fools.

Mull that over.

Get back to Spud.

Be Well.

Idiocy is sucombing to paranoia and fear, in the blind hope that the surrender will bring security.
It will not.

My point of view is not idiocy. It is courage and patriotism and liberty as the founding fathers intended it, and that is now sorely lacking.

Goatman, I am sorry to say that you are wrong. There is little that Bush or Homeland security can do about someone determined to commit murder or terrorism. I have never once attacked our 2nd Amendment rights when an act of gun crime is committed. And I will attack no other rights when other acts are committed.
If someone wants to blow up Logan airport, the arrest and demonization of this girl will not prevent it. And it is folly to pretend that it will.

This nation will now in it's great wisdom ban battery powered LED clothing and Play-Doh from all airports. You will be told that you are safer, but you will not be safer. That is the fraud.
No terrorist plot will be disrupted. No lone nutcase discouraged.

There is no safety or guarantee in this transient life. We can die at any moment for any one of a thousand reasons. And all of us will die.
We can live the time that we have with courage or in fear.

If you look at some LED's and Play-Doh and you see a bomb, then you have chosen your path, and I feel sorry for you.

A homemade C4 bomb would consist of putty, a battery and a circuit.

Actually, just a battery and C4, and a couple wires.

No reason to muddy it up with extra components.

They aimed automatic weaponry at her and afterwords sed she was lucky to still be alive.

Can you say over-reacted?

So, Spud... you got someone that may be carrying a bomb in a crowded airport (keep in mind that it hadn't been determined that it wasn't a bomb yet)... how would YOU have handled it then? What would be YOUR security protocols? Walk up to the potential terrorist and say "Hey! Is that a bomb on your chest or are you just happy to see me?"

Seriously... if you were head of security what would you have done to make sure that the thousands of people there under your watch were safe?

I noticed two unattended pieces of luggage

Unattended luggage has a bad tendency to blow up, historically.

Ergo, all unattended luggage is picked up and destroyed as a matter of routine in airports now. It's been this way fer a while. An over-reaction or a neccessary precaution? Spud sez the latter in this case.

Not the same thing as over-zealous cops pointing automatic weaponry at a young lady.

Apples and oranges but growing in the same field.

Be Well.

Actually, just a battery and C4, and a couple wires.

No reason to muddy it up with extra components.

Only if you wanted to blow up immediately upon completion of the bomb, Ness.

The circuit, theoretically, would be to complete the bomb but control the time of detonation without having to worry about hooking up wires later.

Here's the deal, Kid.

Clue to Goat and any other RT's playing along at

Get back to Spud.


Spud -- That was Moom who sent that retort not me. But I agree with it, so I don,t mind your error. However, since he wrote it, I'll leave the retort to him.

Unattended luggage has a bad tendency to blow up, historically.

So do visible (and not visible) electronic devices with associated, C4-like, putty.

If she really had guts, she would have tried the stunt at Haifa or Tel Aviv.

However, since he wrote it, I'll leave the retort to him.

Already did. But he hasn't answered my "crossing the street" question... and I doubt he will answer my other questions. Too inconvenient to his simplistic answer to everything.

He would just rather call people "chicken" so he can get back to playing in his sandbox.

Seriously... if you were head of security what would you have done to make sure that the thousands of people there under your watch were safe?

Spud woulda ascertained that it wasn't an explosive device in a professional and courteous manner and aftrwords explained to the young lady how dangerous is was to be walking around an airport in todays day and age with anything even remotely (no matter how far fetched)resembling an explosive device or (even more dangerously) a sense of humor.

Nobody needed to have a gun pointed at them.
Nobody needed to be threatened or harassed.
Nobody needed to lost their cool.
Nobody needed to be charged with anything.

These so-called security guys and cops did a piss-poor job all around the block and Spud is enraged to see the chick be blamed mostly here.

Maybe it's all part of the genetal RT mentality that sez shooting the messenger and strangling the whistle blower is the highest form of patriotism or sommat.

Hard to say.

You guys aint particularily logical even if you are fairly predictable.

Be Well.

If someone wants to blow up Logan airport, the arrest and demonization of this girl will not prevent it. And it is folly to pretend that it will.


The we ought to just do away with all security then. I mean, if someone wants to blow up the airport, they will.

Spud woulda ascertained that it wasn't an explosive device in a professional and courteous manner

Good thing you aren't chief of security then.

If it had been a real terrorist with a real bomb... they would have simply just blown the bomb as soon as you tried. They would have known the "jig was up" and would determine just to take out who they could. So much for courtesy.

You guys aint particularily logical even if you are fairly predictable.

Pardon me if I don't take logic lesson from you spud.

You won't even answer my questions about fear vs. caution. Why not? Can't think of logic to refute it?

But he hasn't answered my "crossing the street" question

That was a question?

Spud just thought it was a bad joke.

So somehow in yer mind not aiming automatic weaponry at this innocent albeit ignorant woman is the equivilant of walking out in traffic with yer eyes closed?

How do you argue with logic like that?

Ya don't cos it's not logical it's a crap analogy.

Goat and Moon both think that the security did a good job and didn't over-react here and that this woman deserved this treatment.

Cowards and Fools the pair of ya.

Be Well.

So somehow in yer mind not aiming automatic weaponry at this innocent albeit ignorant woman is the equivilant of walking out in traffic with yer eyes closed?

When something looks like it could be a bomb, and peoples lives are at stake if it is.... yes. I call that caution.

How do you argue with logic like that?

Not hard to do with your LACK of logic.

BTW, Spud... your "courteous" method had already been tried:

The employee asked about the plastic circuit board on her chest, and Simpson walked away without responding, Pare said.

Didn't work so well did it. I guess the guns were Plan B.

If it had been a real terrorist with a real bomb...

They woulda blown up and taken whoever was near them with them.

And all the automatic weaponry in the world wouldn't have stopped her.

You can't stop a determined suicide bomber.

Just like you can't win out against a long term conmmited insurgency.

Wot part of all that are you and Bi-Curious George just not getting?

Be Well.

Can you say over-reacted?

Spud imagines you can but still aint heard you say it yet which leads Spud to believe that you still can't see the problem

Borrowing Moom's traffic analogy (which is a good one)

I am crossing the street. In the distance I see a car coming. It appears it is coming at me very quickly, but it is hard to tell because of the foreshortening caused by its distance.

I err on caution and quickly get out of the street. Once I cross the street, I see that I was wrong. The car was moving at only 20 MPH. I admit I over reacted. But next time that car might be going 120 MPH and that reaction will save my life.

In real life, Spud, we don't always have the advantage of knowing the real situation. So most cautious humans err on the side of caution, especially when not only their own, but other lives are at risk. If that pisses off an ignorant faux bomb wearing bimbo, so be it. Hopefully she learned a lesson she can take back to MIT.

And all the automatic weaponry in the world wouldn't have stopped her.

No, but the sight of armed security with automatic weapons tends to make people scatter AWAY from danger rather than just milling about unawares while some idiot named "Chief of Security DethSpud" pisses off the bomb holder and gets them all "disassembled" to quote Number 5.

...and Simpson walked away without responding, Pare said.

Maybe Simpson didn't hear?

Didn't work so well did it. I guess the guns were Plan B.

That weren't no plan B.

That were more like Plan 9 from Outer Space.

Be Well.

Spud to someone wearing a suspicious device that looks like a bomb:

Spud woulda ascertained that it wasn't an explosive device in a professional and courteous manner

Spud to people who disagree with him:

Cowards and Fools the pair of ya.


Canadian courtesy

The funny thing is, Spud really thinks he is smarter in handling security protocols than people that have actually gone through extensive training and relied on many experiences to set up the protocols that are actually in use.

That is what makes Spud an especially stupid and DANGEROUS sort of idiot.

Do I follow blindly? No. But I also place some trust in the experts to do their job.

But then Spud is probably the type that hangs over the plumber while they do their job correcting every little thing they do that he think is a mistake. Probably pisses off the electrician too. And the mechanic...

Hell, if we just fired all service people and called Spud instead we would have fires put out instantly, no crime, no water leaks, no power outages, and a version of Windows that never crashes. Whatta guy.

Maybe Simpson didn't hear?

Or maybe she did. Willing to bet your life on it? Were you there to second guess this guy?

Goatman, I'd like to ask you a question about your lost luggage example. I agree that it was a reasonable caution to report a piece of lost luggage. No issue there.

But how far would you press the case? For the thought crossed your mind that the lost suitcase could be a bomb, correct?
But it wasn't a bomb, so was it therefore a fake bomb? Was it a bomb hoax?

Would you have the person who left the suitcase there arrested and charged with planting a fake bomb?
That's the apples to apples comparison.

Spud woulda ascertained that it wasn't an explosive device in a professional and courteous manner

And probably offered her a bottle of spring water and sang Joan Baez songs with her.

But how far would you press the case? For the thought crossed your mind that the lost suitcase could be a bomb, correct?
But it wasn't a bomb, so was it therefore a fake bomb? Was it a bomb hoax?

Actually, I went to a safe distance and watched to see what would happen. Also, I have to admit (at the risk of the dark side of me being exposed) I had a morbid curiousity of "what if this is a bomb?" happened. I also did this to make sure somthing was done about it.

I don't know the final resolution. I do know that a security came by. They brought a dog to sniff it. I was surprised they didn't move the people in the queue, actually. Maybe t hey didn't want to cause a panic. After the dog sniffed it, two men carried the bags away.

Would you have the person who left the suitcase there arrested and charged with planting a fake bomb?

Is that a prosecutable law, or just a security regulation -- leaving unattened bags? I don't know. If a law was broken, yes, I'd be for prosecution, of course.

Would you have the person who left the suitcase there arrested and charged with planting a fake bomb?

In the case of the luggage it is usually searched and then destroyed.

Considering the trouble that has to be gone through in some cases... maybe. Consider what has happened in Britain where there have been bombings using abandoned luggage. There if unattended luggage is found, there is an evacuation, bomb squad, detonation, THEN a search of the remains. I would think with all that trouble... yes, someone is going to get charged.

Just like you can't win out against a long term conmmited insurgency.

See why I disbelieved you Spud, when you said you would not have bashed Bush if the girl had blown up? Here you managed to get a bush bash into (don't deny it) an unrelated thread. As I said, I can forgive crazy political opinions since everyon has them, but intellectual dishonesty causes a loss of respect that can't be forgiven.

Goatman, I'd like to ask you a question about your lost luggage example.

PS Norm. This wasn't an example. I was relating a true story.

Goatman, it is funny. They call us "cowards" and say we are living in "paranoia"... but then self-retort by calling our trust in trained professionals to do their job "blindly following". As if that isn't paranoia and living in fear on their part.

Wow, so if someone accidentally forgets a piece of luggage at the airport, you're both honestly saying that they should be arrested and charged with planting a fake bomb?

All that does is terrorize innocent civilians for an honest mistake, while doing nothing about actual terrorism.

But thanks for your honesty. It's eye opening.

All that does is terrorize innocent civilians for an honest mistake

Yeah... an honest mistake that cost taxpayers how much in calling out the bombsquad, personnel for handling an evacuation, detonation of a suspected threat, the analysis of remains... not to mention the inherent dangers to the public during an evacuation in the first place. Then of course there is the fact that while they are dealing with your "honest mistake" they aren't able to deal with any potential REAL threats out there...

Yeah... it is just a simple, honest mistake.

Wow, so if someone accidentally forgets a piece of luggage at the airport,

Norm -- I travel through airports every two weeks. I can't imagine leaving something as large as a piece of luggage behind. Maybe the paperback I'm reading, but not my luggage.

Guess what Norm? You can be charged with involuntary manslaughter if you accidentally run over someone and kill them.

Moomanfl

You sound like you have had some sort of security training and/or background. Interesting.

Goat, Spud and Norm have no idea what goes into security, or what kind of protocols are in place all over.

I am a member of HighwayWatch (it is a requirement now for CDL holders). You have to go through training on how to spot certain kinds of suspicious activity and there are protocols in place on how to deal with them.

People like Spud and Norm evidently think that security personnel just make shit up as they go along and deal with everything on the fly. That wasn't true when I was a security guard 20 years ago, and it isn't true now.

There are plans in place, made by experience (both personal and shared), in how to deal with each scenario. In this case you had a woman that was questioned by airport personnel about a suspicious device who ignored the questioner. At that point it escalates. Armed members are sent to detain the woman. There are protocols to handle armed detention of an unknown threat. Sounds like those protocols were followed as I have understood them for 20 years. Ask any cop, they will tell you the same.

You sound like you have had some sort of security training and/or background. Interesting.

LOL... yes I have Chris. Does it show?

yes I have Chris. Does it show?

Posted by moomanfl at 2007-09-22 03:12

Yes! I learned things by reading all the comments tonight.

Goat, Spud and Norm have no idea what goes into security, or what kind of protocols are in place all over.

Sorry if this was misleading... I wasn't saying that Goatman doesn't have an idea. I was addressing Goatman and saying that Spud and Norm don't have a clue.

Just figured I would clear this up in case someone misunderstood.

I've never had training as you have, Moom, but what transpired at Logan sounds logical and fair to me, especially since the primary objective for security is people's safety, not the feelings of an ignorant bimbo.

Sorry if this was misleading...

Grammitically it could've been, but I knew exaclty what you intened to say.

Yes! I learned things by reading all the comments tonight.

Glad to be of service, Chris.

I just think that before people criticize, they really should know all the elements that effect the situation.

While it sounds like a "simple mistake" and I understand an INITIAL response by posters saying the security overreacted... I reserved the comments of idiocy for those that have been educated to all the elements and STILL refuse to understand.

That is willful ignorance as far as I am concerned.

the primary objective for security is people's safety, not the feelings of an ignorant bimbo.

Very well put, Goatman.

Goat, Spud and Norm have no idea what goes into security

Well Goat certainly doesn't haff a freakin' clue but Spud and Norm know wot they're about.

Goat and Moon despite their circle jerk to the contrary are waaay too quick to excuse this over-reaction and to bash this student.

An over-abundance of fear or just a knee jerk reaction to authoritarianism?

Prolly six of one or half dozen of the other.

"Willful ignorance" also comes to mind as an explanation.

Now go and jerk off to Ayn Rand and get some sleep, boys.

Be Well.

One last thing before I go for the night...

Someone on here, probably Norm or Spud but I could be wrong, made the comment that it was out of place for the people to tell her that she could have wound up in the morgue. This is a crock of course. I am glad they did, because it was VERY true.

When armed security or police respond to an unknown threat, they are trained (for good reason) to respond with deadly force if need be. The girl was very smart, or most likely scared, to cooperate in every way. If she had even twitched wrong, with a potential bomb, they would have shot her. They would have felt bad for her afterward, but she would be dead, and they would have been found to have done their job correctly.

I fully understand why she cooperated though, and although the article doesn't mention the condition of her pants afterwards... I can guess. I have stared down the barrel of a loaded gun several times in my life, and I can tell you with no uncertainty: A breakfast of bran, prune juice, and Exlax has NOTHING on a brush with Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson to keep you regular.

People that pull dumb stunts like this usually do so not realizing the danger to themselves, and others, they create by doing it. For that reason alone, the comment about the morgue was necessary for her.

Goat and Moon despite their circle jerk to the contrary are waaay too quick to excuse this over-reaction and to bash this student.

Ahhh.... you mean like Spud and Norm's circle jerk that is too quick to condemn authority when it is obvious from your stated solution that you don't have a freaking clue what you are talking about. We should all just bow to the expert.

Damn... my chili cheese fries have more intelligence that this particular spud.

An over-abundance of fear or just a knee jerk reaction to authoritarianism?

And here Spud reveals who has the REAL fear. I have no fear of authority figures. I can place trust in trained professionals. It is YOU that fears. It is YOU that are paranoid. You use the guise of "questioning authority" to mask the fact that any authority has you quaking like Milo with his anxiety closet.

Well go ahead and check under your bed, and don't forget your closet... airport security might be there.

...the primary objective for security is people's safety, not the feelings of an ignorant bimbo.

Yeah, folk are feeling tons safer tonight knowing that Gomer Pyle on crack is in charge of Logan Airport Security.

It is YOU that fears. It is YOU that are paranoid

Riiiiiiggght.

A guy who's terrified of a blinking light is tell Spud that.

Spud fairmindedly called out both this girl and security fer this incident but you two melonfarmers still think something productive happened here rather something unproductive, unneccessary and unprofessional.

You guys would be funny if ya weren't so damned sad.

Be Well.

Spud, I've lived in this country for 52 years. You live in Canada. Please don't be so arrogant as to tell me I don't have a freakin' clue about what is going on in my country and I won't tell you what is best for yours. I live here. I live it everyday. You don't. What makes you the fucking expert except your own self induced grandeur?

Nothing is more apalling than for someone who doesn't walk in your shoes to tell you that what you are doing is wrong.

What arrogance you exude, Spud.

What arrogance you exude, Spud.

Wot ignorance you exude, Goat.

Be Well.

PS: Ha! Looks like Spud really "got yer Goat"

Woo Hoo!

Cheer up chucklehead, it gets better.

Be Well.

Yeah, folk are feeling tons safer tonight knowing that Gomer Pyle on crack is in charge of Logan Airport Security.

A guy who's terrified of a blinking light is tell Spud that.

Spud, by minimizing everything, (the security guard, a blinking light) you are conceding your point, whether you realize that or not. Why not call things what they are?

The security guard was trained for that job. He was not a Gomer Pyle. He was not on crack.

It is not a single light that caused the commotion. It was a set of things that any reasonable person could construe as a bomb.

If you have to retell the story, get it right, will you?

Yeah, folk are feeling tons safer tonight knowing that Gomer Pyle on crack is in charge of Logan Airport Security.

Yep... a lot more secure than "Chief of Security DethSpud" who is more likely to get unsuspecting civilians blown to pieces. Funny how the one suggestion you gave had already been tried and failed.

What now brown cow?

A guy who's terrified of a blinking light is tell Spud that.

Yeah... the guy that turned tail and ran to Canada because "Oh MY @#!&!!!! BUSH IS PRESIDENT!!!!" is going to tell me I am afraid and paranoid. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Spud fairmindedly called out both this girl and security fer this incident but you two melonfarmers still think something productive happened here rather something unproductive, unneccessary and unprofessiona

Because unlike Mr. Pacifist here, I actually have a clue as to what goes on in security. Whereas it is obvious that you don't. Simple if you think about it... someone with a clue... someone without.

Get a clue, Spud.

PS: Ha! Looks like Spud really "got yer Goat"

Woo Hoo!

Glad you feel that way, Spud. You obviously are someone in bad need of an ego boost. I'm glad self induced ones do it for you. I can't help but to notice even your DR sycophants aren't as thick as they used to be.

Spud doesn't live here, but yet knows what's best for the country.

Spud isn't trained in security (I presume, correct me if I'm wrong, Spud) but he knows how to best handle it.

You were right before, Moom. We need him here to take care of everything from plumbing problems to the blue screen of death.

Goat and Moon despite their circle jerk to the contrary are waaay too quick to excuse this over-reaction and to bash this student.

If there was an overreaction, I'd condemn it. I condemned the overreaction of the cops who tasered that kid at the Kerry thing in Florida. (no one likes to hear what goatman says when it doesn't fit in with their preconceived notions of him. Sorry to do this to you, Spud) But what happened at Logan was not an over reaction.

What arrogance you exude, Spud.

Wot ignorance you exude, Goat.

It's so much more poignant when you say it, spud, with your cutesy mispelling. Why can't I be so clever?

*mouthwatering*

Damn piss tests!

Goat, that should be cutesy misspelling.

Hrm... wonder where Spud went?

As long as you're willing to share *grin*

ALWAYS willing to share, Chris. It is no fun keeping it all to yourself.

Damn piss tests!

Especially since they have gotten good at detecting goldenseal. *sigh*

Goat, that should be cutesy misspelling.

Heh heh

Let's retell Spud's post, but instead of Spud's version, we'll use the truth:

Yeah, folk are feeling tons safer tonight knowing that Gomer Pyle on crack is in charge of Logan Airport Security.

Yeah, folks are feeling tons safer tonight knowing that a well trained and observant security guard who puts the best wishes of the general public over the feelings of an ignorant bimbo who wears a device that could be construed as a bomb.

A guy who's terrified of a blinking light is tell Spud that.

A guy who takes cautious approach to a woman who is wearing a circuit board of unknown design, a battery, and is holding a lump of an unknown putty like substance and ignores security is tell spud that.


Doesn't sound like such a put down when the truth is used instead of your minimalizations, does it spud. I guess that's why you have to twist the event. Too bad you can't make your point AND tell the true story.

Too bad you can't make your point AND tell the true story.

But if he told the true version he wouldn't be able to fit it all on one line. Cut the guy a little slack. *grin*

Especially since they have gotten good at detecting goldenseal. *sigh*

We lost one at the heliport last month. My crew was supposed to be off for 5 weeks while they towed the rig to Brazil. But because of a scheduling change, our crew got called in to make the tow. One of my crewmembers had smoked a joint a few days earlier thinking he had plenty of time to get it out of his system. Kind of sad. He was a nice guy and I liked him. I got the random test that day as well. When he came in with the "card" I could see in his eyes he was worried, even though I never suspected him of smoking pot in his off time.

even your DR sycophants aren't as thick as they used to be.

So wot does that make 'em then?

Thin-ophants?

Why can't I be so clever?

Very few can. Don't feel too bad.

It was a set of things that any reasonable person could construe as a bomb.

You do know wot "reasonable" means don't you?

Apparently not.

Spud isn't trained in security (I presume, correct me if I'm wrong, Spud)

Yer wrong.

But you haff been wrong pretty much all night so why stop now?

cutesy mispelling

As Arbusto noted...

Goat, that should be cutesy misspelling

Misspelling "misspelling"? How cute is that?

Hrm... wonder where Spud went?

Well at least yer wondering that's a good start.

the guy that turned tail and ran to Canada

Umm ...Spud was kinda born here.

Kinda hard to run to a place yer already at.

But what happened at Logan was not an over reaction.

Spud is begin to get the feeling that even if these crackhead Gomer Pyles had accidently shot a burst of bullets into this chick that you would be here at the DR forthwith apologising for the guy and condemning the girl.

Call it a crazy hunch.

Be Well.

I can't even imagine what this MIT student was thinking. You can't even say "Hi" to your friend "Jack" at an airport these days.

Just the idiocy of the act alone makes me think she's not wound too tight.

The reaction of the security police at Logan was absolutely correct. It would have been the same no matter what airport she walked into.

I'd call their reaction an abundance of caution.

even your DR sycophants aren't as thick as they used to be.

So wot does that make 'em then?

Smart enough not to argue this case... which I guess also makes them smarter than you.

You walked into that one, Spud.

Spud isn't trained in security (I presume, correct me if I'm wrong, Spud)

Yer wrong.


I highly doubt he is wrong, Spud. I HAVE been trained in security... and everything you have said points to someone that is ignorant of this field.

DR forthwith apologising for the guy and condemning the girl.

Wouldn't be apologizing one bit. Would wonder what she had stupidly done in front loaded guns to prompt them shooting her ignorant ass.

A guy who takes cautious approach to a woman who is wearing a circuit board of unknown design, a battery, and is holding a lump of an unknown putty like substance and ignores security is tell spud that

The truth?

You can't handle the truth.

Truth is Spud sed from his very first post that the chick shouldn't have worn that Tshirt or carried that play-doh.

That was wrong because of the liklihood of misinterpretation.

Escalating this scenario into an almost life threatening situation to the young lady was uncalled for, unprofessional and contrary to the aims of a real security team in that it not only made nobody safer but it actually heightened tension to a ridulous and unneccessary level.

You wanna call that "reasonable" go ahead it's yer right but don't be too surprised when Spud is laff in yer face.

Moon wants to pretend it's the way things work in the real world of security? That's his right too but also he faces a similar response from Spud.

Spud is minimising the danger this womans Tshirt represents?

And Goat and Moon aren't minimising the danger a trigger happy and fearful security force represents?

You believe wot ya gotta believe Spud'll take the truth every time and also a heaping helping of wot used to be called "common sense".

Not so common now, apparently.

Be Well.

Wouldn't be apologizing one bit. Would wonder what she had stupidly done in front loaded guns to prompt them shooting her ignorant ass.

Well there you go then.

No arguing with folk like that.

Say Sieg freakin' Heil to the Chimp fer Spud, eh?

Be Well.

I HAVE been trained in security

Sure ya have.

Did ya just fergit it all then?

Be Well.

Misspelling "misspelling"? How cute is that?


Granted, accidental typos just don't have the childish charm as consistent misspellings. Got me there.

Very few can. Don't feel too bad.

Another self induced ego boost? Last one didn't last long enough?

Got me there.

Here, there, everywhere.

Be Well.

Escalating this scenario into an almost life threatening situation to the young lady was uncalled for

That right there is how I KNOW you haven't had security training. Otherwise you would know that it was HER actions that escalated it. Security was only following protocols already laid down long before she ever stepped foot into the airport, and laid down based on well established experience in terrorist situations. Protocols that every police department in the world follows.

Tried to educate you on this, Spud. You seem to take pride in your ignorance though.

Moon wants to pretend it's the way things work in the real world of security? That's his right too but also he faces a similar response from Spud.

No pretending Spud. Funny that it was obvious to people that I had training by my responses... while yours... not so much so. Very telling.

No arguing with folk like that.

You could argue all you want, Spud. Doesn't make you any more right, or any less ignorant.

Did ya just fergit it all then?

Not at all, Spud, as I demonstrated tonight.

Spud is begin to get the feeling that even if these crackhead Gomer Pyles had accidently shot a burst of bullets into this chick that you would be here at the DR forthwith apologising for the guy and condemning the girl.

You say that knowing that condemned the tasering of that UF brat? Can't keep from assigning attributes and ideas to people can you, spud? I guess it is an integral part of that self admiration thing.

I had a childless friend who pretended to know all about child rearing and gave me advice on it. It's just as disgusting as a non-american pretends to know what is right in America and what isn't.

Live here a while, Spud, then make judgements. Until then you don't have much to base your opinion on.

Oh yeah, can't do that. You are "showing" bush by staying out of this country.

Who's the real 'fraidy cat?

Here, there, everywhere.

Yet another self induced ego boost. Did you have to declare yourself the winner on the HS debate team, too?

I wonder if she goes to an art gallery to catch a plane?

Posted by goatman at 2007-09-21 11:50

Got a laugh out of that one -- ff

Spud, your political views are strange, but as noted before, most people's are. But your self worship is absolutely apalling. If this refering to yourself in the third person doesn't scream, "I'm so special and above than everyone else", I don't know what does.

Come down off your pedestal and check out the real world.

Live here a while, Spud, then make judgements. Until then you don't have much to base your opinion on.

No thanx, Dude.

A lot of Americans seem to think that Canadians are just Americans-in-waiting, wanna-bes in fact.

Reality is, that most Canadians wouldn't trade places with y'all fer all the oil in the ME.

So... If you can't attack the message attack the messenger?

Is that wot yer reduced to now, Goat?

That's sad.

Who's the real 'fraidy cat?

We kinda proved that you and Moon are that tonight.

Security was only following protocols already laid down long before she ever stepped foot into the airport, and laid down based on well established experience in terrorist situation

The "hoax device" charge and the "disturbing the peace" charge are bullshit. This situation has never occured before so it's hardly "well established protocol" that went down there.

Just another sad indicator of how low the United Police States of America has fallen and by the responses on this thread today how fast it continues to fall.

Yer a dumbed down and fear driven people these days, by and large, sad to say.

Don't worry kiddies Spud is here to tutor y'all in the ways of righteousness.

Be Well.

If this refering to yourself in the third person doesn't scream, "I'm so special"

I don't know... maybe it does. It is one of the signs of Asperger's Syndrome (a type of autism). That along with inability to change and repetitive patterns of thinking make it even more likely. Spud could be more "special" than we realized.

If that is the case, Spud, I apologize for calling you ignorant. That was insensitive of me regarding your affliction.

Night Moonie and Kidgloves.

Enjoy yer circle jerk fer two Spud's gotta get some sack time in.

Get the lights when ya leave, eh?

Be sure to talk about Spud after he goes.

Spud luffs that!

The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about

~Oscar Wilde

Be Well.

So... If you can't attack the message attack the messenger?

Nope, Spud. We already destroyed your message. Now we are just having fun. :)

We kinda proved that you and Moon are that tonight.

Not at all, Spud. We have proven we are capable of trust. Something a fearful person can't do. You are the one with authority figures in your anxiety closet though.

This situation has never occured before so it's hardly "well established protocol" that went down there.

Oh? Someone with a possible bomb has never occurred before? Wow! Go figure. Are you that much of an idiot, Spud?

The "hoax device" charge and the "disturbing the peace" charge are bullshit.

That is debatable. I don't happen to agree with you on this.

Don't worry kiddies Spud is here to tutor y'all in the ways of righteousness.

Physician... heal thyself.

Don't worry, Me. Ego. We will talk about you if only for the sake of your oversized potato head.

So... If you can't attack the message attack the messenger?

No spud. I guess you didn't get my message even though it was very plain.

Don't attack it if you haven't lived it. Was that better?

Geeze, Goatman.

I should have known better than to try and have a battle of wits with pacifist. They are always unarmed.

Not at all, Spud. We have proven we are capable of trust. Something a fearful person can't do. You are the one with authority figures in your anxiety closet though.

No you two proved yerselves capable of taking the easy route.

ie Taking this young woman to task fer her admittedly ignorant wardrobe but not on the bullshit that followed.

You don't trust authority figures as much as you fear them otherwise you woulda been fair and called bullshit on their over-reach there.

Instead you took the easy way out and only bitched at the girl.

How brave was that?

That's Cowardice and Ignorance not Trust.

We will talk about you if only for the sake of your oversized potato head.

No Goat we wanna hear more about you.

Tell us every mind numbingly excruciating detail of yer oh-so interesting life as Blogworld waits with baited breath fer such revelations.

Yer calling Spud an egotist?

Bwa hahahahahahahahah!!

Do you even own a mirror?

Stupid question, really.

Of course you do.

Prolly several.

Be Well.

I should have known better than to try and have a battle of wits with pacifist. They are always unarmed.


That was funny. Took me a second to get it, though.

you woulda been fair and called bullshit on their over-reach there.

As I said two times before in this thread, I would've called foul if security had overreached. They didn't. Since you don't live here, you might not understand, but airports are the most likely place for a terrorist to attack. They are high profile, lots of people, can cause great disruptions. It is not "overreaching" to pull a gun on someone who may have a device that can kill dozens.

I was wondering why this is such a hard concept for you to grasp, but I've known pacifists and their fear (yes fear!) of authority overcomes sensibility.

Just as Moom points out, I find it an irony that you accuse us of fear when it is you who is truly afraid. It fact, it is beyond irony and into the realm of comedy.

No you two proved yerselves capable of taking the easy route.

Nothing easy about trust, Spud. With trust comes the risk of getting hurt. The easy route is to NOT trust... something that you seem to have down pat.

Keep trying to justify though.

You don't trust authority figures as much as you fear them otherwise you woulda been fair and called bullshit on their over-reach there.

You suck as psychology almost as much as you suck at spelling.

That's Cowardice and Ignorance not Trust.

Keep looking in your anxiety closet, Spud.

I just love how Spud makes such a grand show of an exit... then can't resist answering again.

In the immortal words of Bugs Bunny: "What a maroon!"

Tell us every mind numbingly excruciating detail of yer oh-so interesting life as Blogworld waits with baited breath fer such revelations.

It's one thing to chat about daily events, Spud. It's a whole other thing to

talk condescendingly to people:
...kiddies

pretend to know more by reading about something than those who actually live it


self engrandizement:
Very few can. Don't feel too bad.


And of course refering to yourself in the third person.

It's not at all egotistical to chat about what you did that day.

Do you even own a mirror?

Stupid question, really.

Of course you do.

Prolly several.


Yeah, prolly.

Yeah, it is a stupid question. Three in the truck. One in each bathroom. One on the dresser in the bedroom. And a little tiny dentist mirror in my toolbox. Sometimes this monitor catches my reflection. Does that count? What about you? HOw many mirrors, spud?

Goatman... you notice that Spud is a pacifist that claims he had security training.

I guess his brand of security was "STOP!!! Or I'll say 'stop' again!"

I guess his brand of security was "STOP!!! Or I'll say 'stop' again!"

LOL

I guess his brand of security was "STOP!!! Or I'll say 'stop' again!"

LOL

Spud's serious comments are still like a Monte Python routine aren't they?

Funny as hell, but rather scary if you take him seriously.

Bah... Monty Python... not Monte Python. How the hell did I manage to screw THAT one up? LOL

Kind of makes me want to sing "The Ballad of Brave Sir Spud"

The Ballad of Brave Sir Spud
Bravely bold Sir Spud rode forth from Canada.
He was not afraid to die, O brave Sir Spud!
He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways,
Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Spud!

He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp,
Or to have his eyes gouged out, and his elbows broken;
To have his kneecaps split, and his body burned away;
And his limbs all hacked and mangled, brave Sir Spud!

His head smashed in and his heart cut out
And his liver removed and his bowels unplugged
And his nostrils raped and his bottom burned off
And his pen--

Brave Sir Spud ran away.
Bravely ran away, away!
When danger reared its ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Spud turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet
He beat a very brave retreat,
Bravest of the brave, Sir Spud!

He is packing it in and packing it up
And sneaking away and buggering up
And chickening out and pissing off home,
Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge...

as Blogworld waits with baited breath

It's "bated" breath, unless you have a worm in your mouth, spud. Well mayb . . . . Never mind

as Blogworld waits with baited breath

It's "bated" breath, unless you have a worm in your mouth, spud. Well mayb . . . . Never mind

Posted by goatman

Or if you have been eating sushi, especially the salmon roe.

I have spent a fair amount of time in airports and my motto is "Don't fuck around in the airport." This stunt, intentionally or not, falls squarely into the "fucking around in the airport" category.

Did the airport security overreact? Possibly. Unfortunately, airport security people do not have the luxury of under-reacting.

Also I believe this sort of thing would have set off alarms in 1979, not just post-9/11, no matter how you want to paint it as some kind of Bush-related phenomenon.

And this reaction from security isn't confined to Logan. If she had tried this at any airport, even SFO or LAX I'd bet some serious coinage she would have gotten the same or possibly even a worse reaction.

Spud seems to be talking out both sides of his ass on this one.

First security overreacted/were acting like stupid fascists. Which only makes sense if the woman was acting sensibly.

Now the woman was stupid and ignorant for doing what she did but security still overreacted - which makes no sense whatsoever.

Maybe the person who is constantly contradicting himself and whose arguement has been completely destroyed is the stupid and ignorant one.....

Spud seems to be talking out both sides of his ass on this one.


FF for Sully!

Nothing against Potato Boy specifically but this phrase is LOL funny.

Sarge,

I never said driving drunk was not a serious crime and should be dealt with accordingly. What I was saying is that back when Bush and Chenny had theirs it was not treated as such a major crime. I have known guys with several offences and were still driving. That doesnt make it right but thats the way they were treated 25-30 years ago.

baited breath

It's "bated" breath

Thanx, Kid.

Quid pro quo?...

self engrandizement:

Is self aggrandisement.

Spud seems to be talking out both sides of his ass on this one.

First security overreacted/were acting like stupid fascists. Which only makes sense if the woman was acting sensibly.

Now the woman was stupid and ignorant for doing what she did but security still overreacted - which makes no sense whatsoever.

Maybe the person who is constantly contradicting himself and whose arguement has been completely destroyed is the stupid and ignorant one.....

Th' goddam shirt did not look like a bomb. Anyone who thinks so is a fucking idiot.

The terrists have won.

Fear rules our country.

Pathetic.

Wow Spud. It seems like you got Moroninfla and the resident wanna be intellectual, Goatball's panties in a knot.

Good job

The terrists have won.

They hated our freedom, so Bush trashed the Constitution.

Wow Spud. It seems like you got Moroninfla and the resident wanna be intellectual, Goatball's panties in a knot.

Good job

In the middle of the night sometimes the RTs come out and think this aint a lefty leaning site.

Is Spud's privilege and pleasure to disabuse them of that notion.

Spud's gotta get going now.

Spud'll be back when and if he can.

Take care of yerselves.

Be Well.

"This is prolly why you still luff Dumbya.

You think you either gotta support Him OR Al Quaeda.

You are, of course, a fool."

I've never voted for W and 99% of what I say about him is very negative. That's the 2nd strawman you've thrown at me on this thread. I've also frequently posted that most often both sides of a conflict are wrong. In this case particular case, however, either security was overzealous or the woman did several things that forced their hand.

"Spud consistently makes the point on this thread that there is blame to go around in this story but [restatement of strawman]...blah blah blah"

Sure you have. It is hard to take one who believes his own lies seriously.....If you've had a consistent position on this thread it is that you are smart and everyone else - airport security, this woman, other posters - is stupid. Reality paints quite a different picture.

Delusions of grandeur.

Sicoflibs,

The issue is Everyone running around with Their Panties On Fire !

You have more to worry about A Drunk Driver than you will ever in your lifetime from a Terrorist Bomb Period !!

That Is A Fact Check The Numbers And See For Yourself !!

Running around scared of your own shadow is Fucking Silly and that is what the Terrorist want and to the same extent Bush who Rules this Country Scaring the Shit Out Of The Weak Minded, I went to the Girls Website at MIT before they Shut it down and she has all kind of Electronic Crap on it Automaton Ping Pong Tables, Robots Electric In-Line Skates, Electric Scooters With Wires and Circuit boards all over the place. The Girl is a Electronic Geek, If the would have just asked her check out her story which by the way 100% checked out this would not be a story. She was at the Airport to pick up her boyfriend and she was going to a Career Fair, and from what I've seen and read about her she would be wearing what she was wearing to that Career Fair.

Simple Security Work is all it would have taken, But as 101 States Pants Pissers jump to conclusions though 101 would have the Pee Pee running down his leg on this one.

-Sarge

All the girl wore was a geek shirt with a circuit board and 9volt battery. As if to say "I'm a cheap computer" Nothing at all to do with a bomb. The shirt even mentioned compsci at MIT. She was squeezing playdough probably for carpal tunnel syndrome.

She was absolutly nt trying to do a bomb scare. Fucking morons at the ariport overreacted without thinking along with the usual rightwing idiots here.

Now they are all trying to cover their stupidity by attacking the girl.

FURIO,

Thank You For The Words Of Reason !!

-Sarge

Sarge,

The worse thing is that they will try to charge her with the crime of "You are guilty of getting us to overreact". The really scary thing is we have a case based legal system so we are creating legal presidence for anyone to be convicted of the crime of police overreacting and being ignorant.

I am sure it will come out she is the lesbian daughter of some republican lawmaker, then all will be right in the world again.

Before we get ahead of ourselves...

Would a real terrorist wear a bomb circuit board on their SHIRT? Before getting on the plane?

I think this is another case of paranoid Boston authorities jumping the gun.

Have we already forgotten 1-31-07?

Posted by Duckman

NO shit.. The crowd calling everyone a pants pisser is too stupid too recognize a PCB strapped to a shirt with wires..America is home of the fucking stupid. What about the blinking shoes kids wear? kill junior he has 2 bombs on his feet..

Th' goddam shirt did not look like a bomb. Anyone who thinks so is a fucking idiot.

The terr'ists have won.

Fear rules our country.

Pathetic.

Posted by Dave

exactly..

Spud woulda ascertained that it wasn't an explosive device in a professional and courteous manner

And probably offered her a bottle of spring water and sang Joan Baez songs with her.

Posted by goatman

which would have been better than you going into a men's room tapping your foot and sucking a police mans dick like all you anal retentive closeted rethug bastards.

Here's the latest on the issue. She has retained a lawyer and is currently out of bail.

9/22/2007 - Nineteen-year-old Star Simpson was charged Friday with possessing a hoax device. Her attorney described the charge as offbase and "almost paranoid," arguing at a court hearing that she did not act in a suspicious manner and had told an airport worker that the device was art.

Authorities said they were amazed that someone would wear such a device eight months after a similar scare in Boston, and six years after two of the jets hijacked in the Sept. 11 attacks took off from Logan. "I'm shocked and appalled that somebody would wear this type of device to an airport," said State Police Maj. Scott Pare, the airport's commanding officer.

Star Simpson, 19, from Hawaii, showed "a total disregard to understand the context of the situation she is in, which is an airport of post-9/11," prosecutor Wayne Margolis said at a hearing where a not guilty plea was entered for Simpson and she was released on $750 bail. Margolis had asked for $5,000 bail.

Simpson, of Lahaina, Hawaii, was arrested Friday morning outside Terminal C, home to United Airlines, Jet Blue and other carriers.

She wore the white circuit board on her chest over a black hooded sweat shirt, Pare said at a news conference. The battery-powered rectangular device had nine flashing lights, and Simpson had Play-Doh in her hands, he said.

Two phrases that looked hand-drawn - "Socket to me" and "Course VI" - were written on the back of Simpson's sweat shirt, which authorities displayed to the media. Course VI appears to refer to Massachusetts Institute of Technology's major of electrical engineering and computer science. "She said that it was a piece of art and she wanted to stand out on career day," Pare said. "She claims that it was just art, and that she was proud of the art and she wanted to display it." There was a career fair at the university on Thursday, according to the university's Web site.

Simpson is the secretary of MIT's Electrical Research Society, according to her lawyer. She is a graduate of the Hawaii Preparatory Academy, a private boarding school, has won school prizes for chemistry and leadership and had received a Congressional citation for her work in robotics, said Ross Schreiber, who was appointed to represent Simpson.

He said she was not a risk to flee, cooperated with authorities and was a good student with no prior convictions. He said they would fight the charges....

"out of bail" obviously should be "out on bail"

Lucky she wasn't at Gatwick or Heathrow, she'd a been face down on the lino with a gun pointed at her head. The fact that a so called smart person turns up at an airport wearing this kind of thing with playdoh in her hand and isn't immediately shot on site is the security forces showing an incredible amount of restraint if you ask me. I agree with the cop, she was lucky to find herself in jail instead of the morgue. She is out for her fifteen minutes, she will get it no doubt, she will file a lawsuit represented by some ambulance chaser, but she will lose, cause 12 rocks in the box will realize what an utterly stupid thing she did and collectively say "give me a fucking break".

Im shocked and appalled that someone would get thrown in jail for wearing a T shirt. Im about tired of the nazi thugs at airports confiscating shit like bottled water that you can buy at 3 times the price once you go through their inspection.

Im shocked and appalled that someone would get thrown in jail for wearing a T shirt. Im about tired of the nazi thugs at airports confiscating shit like bottled water that you can buy at 3 times the price once you go through their inspection.

Posted by THEBULL

Blah blah blah...Nazis...blah blah blah...thugs...blah blah blah...just a T-shirt...blah blah blah - BOTTLED WATER PRICES??

HAHAHA!!! WHat a chowderhead.

which would have been better than you going into a men's room tapping your foot and sucking a police mans dick like all you anal retentive closeted rethug bastards.

Translation:

"I have to concede that my point is so invalid and indefensible that I must deflect to a completely unrelated topic and call you a dicksucker, too. "

"As if this isn't enough to prove my inability to support my arguement, I must uderscore my lack of confidence by using an inflection of the word republican with the word "thug" imbeded in it. It matters not that this practice has been used to such absurdity it is meaningless anymore. But that's how desperate I am."

All the girl wore was a geek shirt with a circuit board and 9volt battery. As if to say "I'm a cheap computer" Nothing at all to do with a bomb.

Furio --

Don't forget the ball of clay in her hands.

It's great you are 100% sure about this. Though the TSA may not pay well, if they had someone as smart as you who could know with 100% certainty that such a device was not a bomb, I'm sure they'd pay you quite well. They need know it alls like you.
"

But you are probably too busy working on the sustainable nuclear fusion and that Grand Unified Theory thing.

Ah I see the resident "Master of Knowledge" is here, but then when isn't he?

Get a life Goatjizz.

Got a great one, too-bad-it's-you. I wouldn't trade it for anything.

Thanks for the suggestion, though.

If being on drudge virtually 24/7 is what you consider a life, then you really do need to get out, Goatjizzz.

If being on drudge virtually 24/7 is what you consider a life, then you really do need to get out, Goatjizzz.

If being on drudge virtually 24/7 is what you consider a life, then you really do need to get out, Goatjizzz.

Until this morning, the last time I posted was almost 24 hours ago. The last time you posted was after that.

goatman at 2007-09-22 09:35 AM
itsme at 2007-09-22 02:52 PM

I'll tell you what: You take care of your life and I'll take care of mine. Deal? I know that's hard for a liberal who thinks they have to control every aspect of everyone's life (I'd never be so arrogant and presumptuous as to tell people what to do with their spare time!) but some things simply aren't your affair, glad-its-you-not-me.

How About This:
Approach Her In Normal Speaking Distance Then Ask
"Excuse Me Miss May I Ask What Is That On Your Shirt And What You Are Gripping In Your Hand And Do You Have A Flight Out Traveling Today?"

Reply: It Is Art Work,Oh This Is For My Carpal Tunnel; No I'm Here To Pick Up My Boyfriend Flying In From California.

The Israelis Go Through Lines And Talk To People And Have Thousands Of Flights, Because They Calmly Profile By Asking Questions While People Are Waiting On Their Flights And Thousand Of Arabs To Include Palestinians Fly On Their Aircraft.


-Sarge

The Israelis Go Through Lines And Talk To People And Have Thousands Of Flights, Because They Calmly Profile By Asking Questions While People Are Waiting On Their Flights And Thousand Of Arabs To Include Palestinians Fly On Their Aircraft.

Are you suggesting that if she did this at an Israeli airport the response would be:

Excuse Me Miss May I Ask What Is That On Your Shirt And What You Are Gripping In Your Hand And Do You Have A Flight Out Traveling Today?"

All righty, then. This pollyanna view of the world may help explain a lot of other responses on this thread as well.

If being on drudge virtually 24/7 is what you consider a life, then you really do need to get out, Goatjizzz

BTW, itsallaboutme, I am 350 miles from where I was yesterday. Does this count as getting out?

people like Goatballz is why America is fucked up. You can't concede that it was a shirt by college student self promoting a difficult curriculum at a top notch EE school.

Being cheeky is not being a terr..you pants pissers are so afraid of another terr attack that everyone is a bogeyman AY-RAB wanting to blow us up.. What ever happened to the "profiling" argument you assholes always use? She obviously wasn't an arab male between 19-25.

The whole boston area needs to take a valium and calm down.

as for pollyanna.. try getting out of the US... permanently.

I'll tell you what: You take care of your life and I'll take care of mine. Deal? I know that's hard for a liberal who thinks they have to control every aspect of everyone's life (I'd never be so arrogant and presumptuous as to tell people what to do with their spare time!) but some things simply aren't your affair, glad-its-you-not-me.

Posted by goatman

more double speak by the rethug asshole.

The patriot act and the associated stalinist laws and regulations were all brought on during your wonderboys tenure. In fact I would contend the gov is much more over reaching under repukes than a dem especially since you wads believe how smart your policies are and everyone else are a bunch of socialists or commie god haters..

The patriot act and the associated stalinist laws and regulations were all brought on during your wonderboys tenure

Damn, you figured out it was me who passed those laws.

Never mind, itsallaboutme, you can stick you nose into my life after all. Legio is on to my evil patriot act. (but I'll bet he still blames bush first chance he gets. Hah!)

Goatman,

You know that this is the problem with America and it is "You" The Head Of The Government Intelligence Agency Stated That 9/11 was Preventable just last week, Before all this Hiding Under Your Bed Everyone, Is A Bad Guy Bullshit "Pants Pisser" Bullshit !!

Yes it was that simple and if you go around scared of your own shadow please stay under your bed so the Boogie man will not get you.

Pollyanna Brother Please!

-Sarge

I'll tell you what: You take care of your life and I'll take care of mine. Deal? I know that's hard for a liberal who thinks they have to control every aspect of everyone's life (I'd never be so arrogant and presumptuous as to tell people what to do with their spare time!) but some things simply aren't your affair, glad-its-you-not-me

I've seem to hit a nerve, Goatjizz.

"people like Goatballz is why America is fucked up. You can't concede that it was a shirt by college student self promoting a difficult curriculum at a top notch EE school."

I "concede" your description of the shirt is accurate.

I find it odd that the article spends so much time on the shirt when it was the elecrical device that clearly drew attention and was completely inappropriate to wear in an airport. The article's mention of the shirt is not as odd as the fact that you keep repeating the assinine assertion that it was the "the shirt" that got her arrested, but odd.

I find it odd that the article spends so much time on the shirt when it was the elecrical device that clearly drew attention and was completely inappropriate to wear in an airport. The article's mention of the shirt is not as odd as the fact that you keep repeating the assinine assertion that it was the "the shirt" that got her arrested, but odd.

Posted by Sully at 2007-09-23 11:00 AM

errrr, maybe because the "electrical device" was permanently attached to the front of the shirt?

"errrr, maybe because the "electrical device" was permanently attached to the front of the shirt?"

I thought it was just pinned or taped there. You can see masking tape on the thing in the picture. Whether or not it is "permanently" part of the shirt is debatable, but also unimportant. And the writing on the shirt is unimportant. The crudely put together electrical device is the reason she rightfully drew supsicion. To pretend otherwise is dishonest. To say she got arrested for "wearing a shirt" is still a lie. She escalated the situation by arrogantly walking away from the airport employee who originally questioned her - in full accordance with their training.

I was in an airport in NC years before 9/11. A guy working for the airport stopped me to inspect my laptop. It was not at a security checkpoint. Everyone else in my group had a laptop and nobody else was stopped but I didn't take that peronsally. I complied with his request and he was very apologetic about the whole thing. I told him not to apologize, thanked him for doing a good job and told him that anyone who gives him a hard time is a clueless jerk. The whole incident took about 20 seconds. I didn't arrogantly walk away from the guy, thinking myself above suspicion of some lowly airport "nazi", and imagine this: nobody had to pull a gun on me to make sure I wasn't carrying a bomb and the people around me were not endangered as a result.

SULLY

The crudely put together electrical device is the reason she rightfully drew supsicion. To pretend otherwise is dishonest. To say she got arrested for "wearing a shirt" is still a lie. ...,

In all seriousness, and just my own personal guess as to why they keep saying "shirt" -- for legal reasons the press doesn't want to put descriptive label on the device because at the time, no one knew exactly what the thing was.

For example -- you call it an "electrical device" Was it? Do we know for sure whether or not electricity could be tranferred thru it. See what I mean? This incident will be dealt with in the courts, she has a lawyer, and any press release that "decribes" the device to be anything other than it was could be a liablity for that media source. That's my personal opinion as to why the media is shying away from giving the device any kind of description so they stick with saying "her shirt."

Goat

Some some ornery words have been flying back and forth on this thread. Just wanted to say my "goat pics" links weren't done in ridicule (in case you took them that way) -- just fun.
I was on a roll this morning *grin*

"you call it an "electrical device" Was it? Do we know for sure whether or not electricity could be tranferred thru it."

I thought it had blinking lights but it doesn't matter. You're probably right about the legal issues....

I will admit that the more I read this thread, the more I believe in the possibility that this woman could have just been clueless or just arrogant but not necessarily looking to cause a problem. Originally, it seemed unfathomable that she didn't know exactly what was going to happen. It seems many people honestly don't understand what she did wrong, no matter that I find that amazing.

But I still find the whole "everyone overreacted" arguement to be ridiculous and somewhat dangerous and that is what riles me up. These people were doing their jobs. The arrogance of this young woman certainly contributed negatively to the situation and forced the hand of the police and security. The airport is the not the place to play games or to prove how much smarter you are than "stupid nazi thugs". Calling people nazis is almost always just a way to punch up a weak arguement anyway. Those "thugs" are just trying to stop some crazy from blowing you up. Without them acting as a deterrent, airline travel would be much more dangerous than it is. Just because the pay grade doesn't attract people of higher education doesn't mean we should look down our noses at these people or expect them to enter into potentially lethal situations lightly. They are not disposable, not thugs and their job is not unimportant. To the extent a little common sense on our parts can help them keep their focus on real potential threats, I feel we are socially obligated to exercise such common sense.

I thought it had blinking lights but it doesn't matter...

from the battery perhaps?

Some some ornery words

My error -- leave off one "some"

"To the extent a little common sense on our parts...."

Should be "common sens and courtesy". People need to stop being so self important as to throw a hissy fit over every minor inconvenience in their lives. You enter an airport, you agree to the rules. They are not violating your rights. Nobody forced you into the airport.

Taking away tweezers never saved a life and it was stupid, but if tweezers were more important to me than getting to my destination quickly, I wouldn't have flown during that time.

Sully,

You are assuming she rudely left the information counter and also if she heard the request. I know that she wanted information on her Boyfriends fight and she had missed him, so she left in a hurry, so how do you know any of what you stated? So sorry she fully complied when stopped by security, that is for certain.

-Sarge

"You are assuming she rudely left the information counter and also if she heard the request."

Of the two people giving differing versions of events, the airline employee seems the much more sensible of the two and has less motive to lie. I am not assuming anything. I am taking my information from the more credible source.

In my experience, these airport workers do not talk in a low voice when you are violating a security protocol "SIR, YOU CAN'T LEAVE YOUR BAG HERE!" - that kind of thing. It also makes no sense for them to call security if they didn't find the object questionable and didn't ask about it. So the more credible source is also telling a story that seems correct in its context, while the other person seemed generally oblivious to the fact she was in an airport.

"Of the two people giving differing versions of events, the airline employee seems the much more sensible of the two and has less motive to lie. I am not assuming anything. I am taking my information from the more credible source."

I'm not saying anyone lied, the question is if she was heard, the girl could have rushed away from the counter to link up with her Boyfriend in a Noisy Airport Lobby so it is very conceivable that she did not hear anything.

-Sarge

"I'm not saying anyone lied, the question is if she was heard, the girl could have rushed away from the counter to link up with her Boyfriend in a Noisy Airport Lobby so it is very conceivable that she did not hear anything."

Even if it was just a billion to one case where several coincidences combined to raise suspicion against an innocent person - she has what appears to be a weird looking electronic device on her chest and doesn't realize how it would be perceived in an airport, she's inexplicably carrying putty in her hands, she is engaged in a conversation with an airport employee and can hear the employee and suddenly her hearing fails when asked a question she may find a nuisance - it is not a case of "Nazi thugs pissing their pants over nothing". Several of her behaviors are raising red flags that they are trained to look out for. Her walking away from that worker escalated the situation. Mind as well not have security if we are going to ignore people like this.

I tend to believe that more likely explanations of her behavior are probably true.

Sully,

This person was not security so her level of training is in question. I honestly see this as a Over Re-Action, I'll tell you once I hear what I ask of you I'm leaving when I'm in a hurry. If she was in so much Quilt and the Seriousness of the Crime why only $750.00 Bail? You are assuming she did this in Malice and from her Bail obviously it was not. She is a MIT Electronic Geek "Picking up her Boyfriend" and was going to a "Career Fair". To me I see she was in a "Hurry" and had a "Full Schedule of Events". Like I said you are assuming she heard her while she was "Turning Around Rushing Away" to meet her Appointments, She does not sound like the type that would be "Oh I have all this to do today let me Scare The Shit Out Of People In The Airport So I Can Be Delayed With My Plans"

Sorry That Dog Don't Hunt!

-Sarge

Sully,

This person was not security so her level of training is in question. I honestly see this as a Over Re-Action, I'll tell you once I hear what I ask of you I'm leaving when I'm in a hurry. If she was in so much Quilt and the Seriousness of the Crime why only $750.00 Bail? You are assuming she did this in Malice and from her Bail obviously it was not. She is a MIT Electronic Geek "Picking up her Boyfriend" and was going to a "Career Fair". To me I see she was in a "Hurry" and had a "Full Schedule of Events". Like I said you are assuming she heard her while she was "Turning Around Rushing Away" to meet her Appointments, She does not sound like the type that would be "Oh I have all this to do today let me Scare The Shit Out Of People In The Airport So I Can Be Delayed With My Plans"

Sorry That Dog Don't Hunt!

-Sarge

Posted by Sarge

agreed..

It was an overreaction and how come boston seems to be the epicenter of over reaction?

I saw the photos and if THAT was bomb, we are all fucked.

I THINK WE'VE FOUND THAT DOT OF LIGHT BUFFALOBOBSHIT IS ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT. It was an MIT student on the plane and they parachuted toward the WTC just before the plane hit the building. That BuffaloBobShit is a genius for figuring this out long ago.

It was an overreaction and how come boston seems to be the epicenter of over reaction?

I saw the photos and if THAT was bomb, we are all fucked.

Posted by Legio at 2007-09-23 08:39 PM |

You're kidding, right?

from Wikipedia (Mohammad Atta)

On the morning of September 11, [the hijackers] drove to the Portland International Jetport, and took the 6:00 a.m. Colgan Air (U.S. Airways Express) BE-1900C flight to Logan International Airport in Boston. The two sat in the rearmost seats, next to one another. In Portland, Mohamed Atta was selected by CAPPS, which required his checked bags to undergo extra screening for explosives and involved no extra screening at the passenger security checkpoint.

You're kidding, right?

from Wikipedia (Mohammad Atta)

On the morning of September 11, [the hijackers] drove to the Portland International Jetport, and took the 6:00 a.m. Colgan Air (U.S. Airways Express) BE-1900C flight to Logan International Airport in Boston. The two sat in the rearmost seats, next to one another. In Portland, Mohamed Atta was selected by CAPPS, which required his checked bags to undergo extra screening for explosives and involved no extra screening at the passenger security checkpoint.

Posted by CalifChris

thats 3 strikes..they missed the real one and prosecuted the wrong two.. wah wah wah.. try again.

I've seem to hit a nerve, Goatjizz.

You sure did. Arrogant fucks who think they have the right to tell me what to do with my life usually do.

Goatball's panties in a knot.
I've seem to hit a nerve, Goatjizz.



Ever notice when the retorts get weaker and weaker, there are some who have to boost their own status with statements like these?

"Gee, I must be the right one. It seems . . .

Seems to me if you are right, you are right and you don't have to advertise it like a neon sign. But whatever blows air up your skirt, itsallaboutme.

I wonder if either Clarence Darrow or William Jennings Brian told each other he "hit a nerve". No, it was obvious who was the more successful debater. It didn't need to be said.

Running around scared of your own shadow is Fucking Silly

Not quite as silly as being scared of these big bad security guards at airports who don't like jokes about bombs. Talk about being afraid of teh bogey man!

"Ooh mr minimum wage clip on tie security guard. Don't hurt me please!"

Being cheeky is not being a terr..you pants pissers are so afraid of another terr attack that everyone is a bogeyman AY-RAB wanting to blow us up

The funniest thing about this whole thread are the ones who can't see themselves as they call everyone else pants pissers. Maybe a little word substitution will help them:

"Being cautious in an airport is not going overboard. you pants pissers are so afraid of security that everyone is a bogeyman TSA agent wanting to shoot you."

Some some ornery words have been flying back and forth on this thread. Just wanted to say my "goat pics" links weren't done in ridicule (in case you took them that way) -- just fun.

CC -- trust me - I know this. I got a huge kick out of them. In fact, I needed the laugh after having spent all day underneath my rent house chasing out a skunk so I could work on the bathroom leak. That was no fun! I had to shoot one and it left such a smell that I could barely work under there. Luckily I was working on the windward side, so it wasn't so bad.

Keep the goat pics coming. However, no skunk pics, please.

"Being cautious in an airport is not going overboard. you pants pissers are so afraid of security that everyone is a bogeyman TSA agent wanting to shoot you."

Being cautious?

These trumped up charges and the training of automatic weapons on an innocent girl is not called "being cautious" it's called "being paranoid".

People still hadn't finished laffing at Boston's penchant fer over-reacting to non-threats from the last time this shit happened and now it's happened again.

Fear fogs minds, obviously.

Yer not even afraid of a Bogeyman.

Just a bogeygirl in a handmade T-shirt.

In terms of who represented the greater threat this day it's fairly obvious to all with eyes to see that the so-called security were the only real threat.

But keep pushing the fear-spin.

Is fun fer Spud.

Be Well.