The ACLU are a principled bunch indeed, give them credit for that. And think it is right-wing nutcases like Bill O'Reilly who believe that the ACLU is a "dangerous left-wing organization." The ACLU is defending the Constitution, the principle of the matter, not necessarily Larry Craig. This is the ACLU we all know and love. I was surprised it took this long for them to show up.

My comment on this whole Craig thing is that even if he manages to win his legal case, he won't win his political case. The court of public opinion, especially Idaho voters, has a much lower standard of proof when it comes to branding someone guilty. The guy is history no matter what happens.

The ACLU is ever right, bless it. Gays, blacks, virgins, hobgoblins, Republicans and other mythical things that go bump in the night are STILL entitled to due process and other rights. Hypocrisy is still not prosecutable in American courts of law. herm

Craig must be shitting himself that the "LEFT WINGED MOUTHPIECE" ACLU, has come to his defense.
Horror of horrors!!!

Craig must be shitting himself

With an extra wide stance?

but no hand gestures .

I'm so surprised that Tadowe and Bowa haven't weighed in yet on the evil that is the ACLU.

Well, I hope that Craig and the police officer washed their hands after doing what they did in the bathroom.

Birds of a feather.

while he may not be a socialist or other enemy of this country, he is still a pervert as many of you have pointed out.....so is it a big wonder that this group is coming to him..

and it pisses me off anyway..

MORE attacks just because the man has a wide stance in the shitter.........come on.......


and reports are that the shitter in the airport has become a visitor attraction.......so how do you ask directions.....hey mister can you show me the way to the craig shitter?

When you develop Restless Leg Syndrome and it leads to an unfortunate bathroom misunderstanding, BLT, you'll be the first to take the call from the ACLU.

MORE attacks just because the man has a wide stance in the shitter.........come on.......


Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-09-18 08:35 AM | Reply

If you actually believe that line of shit he is using as an excuse.....

Oh wait, look who I am talking to.

Never mind.

while he may not be a socialist or other enemy of this country, he is still a pervert as many of you have pointed out.....so is it a big wonder that this group is coming to him..

and it pisses me off anyway..

What a shock.

just because the man has a wide stance in the shitter

What does that even mean? It's shitting, not karate.

When you develop Restless Leg Syndrome and it leads to an unfortunate bathroom misunderstanding, BLT, you'll be the first to take the call from the ACLU.

Posted by rcade

Well, I believe that Restless Leg Syndrome medicine gives people gambling sexual and other other urges .....

"just because the man has a wide stance in the shitter"
--BUSHLOVERTWO

Was he giving birth?

Seriously, stop defending him. He admitted to it before he denied it. He's soiled his credibility.

"he is still a pervert as many of you have pointed out.....so is it a big wonder that this group is coming to him.."

Using this barometer, Rush is a pervert.

"Was he giving birth?"

It's a bouncing baby .... ummm .... turd!

I wonder if other countries have similar political discourse, bringing into question the pooping stances of their elected officials.

Funny headline!

By the way, it IS a crime to solicit sex under certain cirCUMstances.

Ask anyone who's tapped their brakes on a darkly lit street and run into a nice looking female police officer......

.........Tony Snow's only income is a union pension and Craig's only defender the ACLU...........

..........irony........

Okay, CSI time.

Next time you take a dump, see how far you can spread your feet with your trou dropped. Whether you employ the "above the knees" method or the fully deployed method, your pants still prevent you from widening your stance to the point you could actually get a foot beneath an adjoining stall (unless you moved both feet to that side).

The ACLU also defended Hannity back in the day, but you won't hear him talk about it.

where was the ACLU when "Bill the Perv" needed him? All BillPerv had was Moveon dot com and that sorryass Soros's $$$ to front for him (on their knees no doubt)

As a man of honor and integrity Senator Craig will, of course, refuse any free legal assistance offered to him by the ACLU.

"Bill the Perv" Are you talking about Bill O'Reily and his sexual harassment over the phone?

I'm sick and tired of the right wing loving sicko's at the ACLU coming to the rescue of their hero's like Rush, Hannity and now Craig.

From the article:

But the ACLU says it doesn't matter whether he solicited sex because that's not a crime.

"It is a crime to have sex in public. It is not a crime to propose or solicit sex in public, whether it's in a bar or in a bathroom,"

Minneapolis' potty prosecutions are laughable. Craig 'solicited' sex without actually soliciting sex or having sex. He didn't touch himself or the officer in any sexually overt way. He didn't expose himself. He stayed in his own stall. And neither he nor the officer exchanged a single word about having sex. In fact, Craig never said a word.

In the end, what we have here is a shoe touch ... or was it a tap? That, along with his hand on the divider between the stalls, and something or other was, we are told, code for soliciting sex. It seems to me that the officer should have taken the sting operation at least one more step, no? Wasn't he a little premature in flashing his badge when he did?

In the end it was a 'sting' operation with out any sting! Not only couldn't prosecutors have made the gross misdemeanor charge stick, they would have lost the disorderly conduct charge too. Read the statute.

Prosecutors and police would throw half the nation in jail had they the power to do so, and the other half would applaud them. Thank God for constitutional restraints.

"it would seem that all the prostitution stings I see on Cops, would be thrown out as well."

In street prostitution stings, no crime is commited until money is discussed. That seems to be the dividing line between solicitation and a mere proposition.

"it would seem that all the prostitution stings I see on Cops, would be thrown out as well."

In street prostitution stings, no crime is commited until money is discussed. That seems to be the dividing line between solicitation and a mere proposition.

where was the ACLU when "Bill the Perv" needed him? All BillPerv had was Moveon dot com and that sorryass Soros's $$$ to front for him (on their knees no doubt)

Posted by crankeebastard at 2007-09-18 11:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

Bildo O'Reilly settled BOTH times.

Whether you employ the "above the knees" method or the fully deployed method, your pants still prevent you from widening your stance to the point you could actually get a foot beneath an adjoining stall (unless you moved both feet to that side).

Sort of how Rosemary "editted" Nixon's tapes?
Them Republican, talking out of one side of their mouths while their feet are on the other side, doing something evil. Sort of a left hand not knowing what the right foot id s doing...

In street prostitution stings, no crime is commited until money is discussed. That seems to be the dividing line between solicitation and a mere proposition.

Posted by Danforth at 2007-09-18 03:04 PM

If Craig is ACCEPTING ACLU support, that only adds to his hypocrisy from the beginning.

color me stupid..but i woulda took the"i was just asking for some toilet paper" stance if i was him . Like ..hey...buddy...can you spare a few sheets....(gesturing under the wall)...

I hope Craig stays in the senate. But I'm confused, OCMAF, what's the "ol' pie hole"?

The Ol Pie Hole is in reference to the asshole. When someone is said to have Opened the Ol Pie Hole they are said to have been talking out of their ass Hence the Ol Pie Hole reference.

Larry

Pie hole and cake hole are references to the mouth.

Well, in either case, I truly hope that Craig continues in the senate and opens up his not gay pie hole in defense of the values voters of Idaho at every opportunity.

piehole is your mouth, larry. WHY do you always have to go dirty?

I have a hard time believing that you libs support the ACLU. Maybe if you got your head out of your ass you would understand what they are trying to do to this country.

"...what they are trying to do to this country"

Defend the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Larry Craig?

Yeah, well.

Some of us fear what this country would be like if the American CIVIL LIBERTIES Union didn't exist.

Ozzie-
It seems as if the ACLU is attempting to defend Sen. Craig's constitutional rights just as they defended Rush Limbaugh's.

We're not gonna hear back from Ozzie on this thread anytime soon, are we?

We're not gonna hear back from Ozzie on this thread anytime soon, are we?

Posted by Cooper

Well we could. He could just change his name and come back.

but only a pussy would do that.

OCMAF:

I was referring to the seated position. Don't laugh too hard; but I tried this yesterday at the stalls in the john at work; whether you only pull 'em down past the crotch (which I do sometimes to prevent the pants from touching the floor) or drop 'em all the way, it was virtually impossible to widen my feet to the point that one could pass into the adjoining stall -- unless I moved both feet in that direction.

The only way to achieve said "wide stance" is if the pants were not unfastened from the waist. Perhaps if the person was an enormous fat-ass (sorry, Larry...), normal-sized pants won't allow such movement, and Craig's no plumper.

Eberly-
I think I asked you on another thread: what was "ozzie"'s previous name, as you implied?

(BTW, what was yours?)

cooper/boyd,

don't shit yourself and then try to wipe it on me.

As to the actual legal issue, I agree that Craig screwed himself by plea. Hooking up, even in a public john, isn't prostitution. And Craig, while he may have acted creepy (peeking), didn't actually do anything untoward. This would be like arresting all the drunk straight guys that drool on women while at a bar. The cop would have needed to actually begin a sexual act, or actually have seen Craig expose himself. Which, in the context of a men's room, also doesn't hold much water (think a gym locker room).

The legal system really doesn't have anything for Craig, but as was mentioned previously, the court of public opinion has weighed in, and apparently they don't much take kindly to Craig's style of hypocrisy.

This would be like arresting all the drunk straight guys that drool on women while at a bar.

Posted by evashogouki at 2007-09-19 08:14 AM

No, I would compare it to a drunk getting in his car and sitting behind the wheel.

He doesn't have to actually start or drive the car in order to get arrested for drunk driving.

"And Craig, while he may have acted creepy (peeking), didn't actually do anything untoward."

But "peeking" is against the law in MSP...something about invasion of privacy.

I guess next time they'll have to wait until Senator Widestance unzips.

Still no "Ozzie" response regarding the ACLU defense of Rush Limbaugh, eh?

BTW, anyone on this blog ever been "peeked" in a public restroom? Fun fun fun...

No way! That would destroy their reputation.

Ozzie-
When you come to grips with the fact that not only did the ACLU defend Limbaugh, but that Limbaugh eagerly accepted their help, then I'd like to hear your response.

No, I would compare it to a drunk getting in his car and sitting behind the wheel.

He doesn't have to actually start or drive the car in order to get arrested for drunk driving.

Posted by bigjohn_1972 at 2007-09-19 08:16 AM

Is it a crime for either homo or hetero adults to hook up at the airport? I mean why can't two gays strike up a liaison in the john? I would think you lefties would be on to this...I mean as long as they don't do the nasty in public what is the harm? As a conservative I see why repubs called for his resignation....but I can't figure out lefties being against this old gay man.

Posted by kerrin57 at 2007-09-04 03:15 PM


...I believe 57 was trying to frame his oblique comment into one of those "oh, you libs" cracks, but if that was the case, he failed miserably. Their usual MO is to always go "snicker snicker snicker," then wonder why no one is sharing in their obtuse little quip.
Posted by dutch46 at 2007-09-04 03:55 PM



46...no, I am serious about the question. Why are hand signals a crime? Yes...I am addressing the question to lefties because they support the gay rights agenda. I am not being snide...I think it is a legit question. If they can arrest a person for this they can do it to anyone.


CC... these signals would be meaningless to an 8 year old.

Having sexual contact homo/hetero in public is a crime...making hand signals indicating a person would like to have sex ??? Maybe I am just over thinking this but it sounds like thought police...and that can work against us all.

Posted by kerrin57 at 2007-09-05 10:19 AM |

HA!

"MORE attacks just because the man has a wide stance in the shitter.........come on......."

LOL.

"...I was referring to the seated position."
(Posted by evashogouki)

No you weren't...



"...it was virtually impossible to widen my feet to the point that one could pass into the adjoining stall."
(Posted by evashogouki)


If the pants were loose enough, yes you could. Dress slacks are loose fitting.

"... BTW, anyone on this blog ever been "peeked" in a public restroom?"
(Posted by Cooper)


YES! Or do you prefer to rattle the stall door to find out if it's occupied?

It's either peeping through the cracks, or looking under the stalls for feet, or rattling the door.

The ACLU has turned down many, many requests from Conservatives. They are is only involved this time because they love any case that smacks of sexual perversion.

-they love any case that smacks of sexual perversion

Which is why Verm never leaves home without his ACLU card.

"... while he may not be a socialist or other enemy of this country..."

I love it! Bowa doesn't miss a chance. While he may not be an ultra-reactionary or other kind of pervert ... herm

"The ACLU has turned down many, many requests from Conservatives. They are is only involved this time because they love any case that smacks of sexual perversion."

I'd recommend that the author of this doozie google not only the ACLU, but the constitution, the bill of rights and maybe American history in general. The sentence does not reflect even a clue of what our institutiona are about. herm

"they love any case that smacks of sexual perversion."

Well they can only defend Rush Limbaugh so many times.

The ACLU has turned down many, many requests from Conservatives. They are is only involved this time because they love any case that smacks of sexual perversion.


Posted by vernon at 2007-09-19 11:27 AM | Reply |

HAHA.. I was about to ask you to show point out those requests, then I realised it was you. Funny Flag 4 You!

From the article is Romero really saying people ought to be able to solicit sex? What about all the laws regarding soliciting prostitution or drug dealing? Are cops prohibited from arresting based on the perp's words or does he have to drop trou before the arrest?

Posted by OohRah at 2007-09-19 02:50 PM