The creepiest thing about this whole video is that ex-Anti-war protester john Kerry did nothing to stop this obvious violation by the police of this student's first amendment rights and said nothing while he was being dragged away from the microphone-- and then while the kid is being held down by 6 cops and tasered you can hear Kerry trying to answer his question.

It's creepy and surreal.

The creepiest thing about this whole video is that ex-Anti-war protester john Kerry did nothing to stop this obvious violation by the police of this student's first amendment rights and said nothing while he was being dragged away from the microphone-- and then while the kid is being held down by 6 cops and tasered you can hear Kerry trying to answer his question.

It's creepy and surreal.

That's crazy. How could campus cops at UF not know a better way to deal with a student hogging the mike than to drag him off and taser him? Kee-rist.

That's crazy. How could campus cops at UF not know a better way to deal with a student hogging the mike than to drag him off and taser him? Kee-rist.


It made me sick to watch the video -- his question may have been long-winded but it wasn't out of line, and in fact it reflected a criticism that many people had of kerry -- that he should not have conceded the election so quickly and challenged the results int he courts like Gore did.

And for Kerry of all people to just do absolutely nothing and allow this poor kid to be dragged off and tasered is just horrible.

Yes, how stupid, still talking about Kerry.

Idiot repocons just keep trying to drudge up past like it has some meaning in up coming elections.

Why not move to present time instead of old grudges gone stupid.

And for Kerry of all people to just do absolutely nothing and allow this poor kid to be dragged off and tasered is just horrible.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-09-17 07:48 PM | Reply

You pitch a bitch about Kerry who didn't have the power to stop this and would have probably wound up in Jail Himself. but Yet not Nary a word when people were whisked away from Dubya's Townhall Meetings" and during His Campaign because they were anti Bush and showed it by wearing anti bush apparell. I wonder why that is LOKISFUR Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Funny Dat be.

Larry

Is being tasered worse than having to sign a Bush pledge sheet? What's funny Larry is the response if someone were tasered at a Bush appearance!

Rcade, you are talking about people who do not even know how to vote.

It went WAY Beyond the Loyalty Oath and You know it Dalton. They were forcably removed for speaking their minds. I am not sure if any were tazered or not so I can't say. But the same thing happened in BOTH instances.

Larry

Larry - thanks for putting in perspective. Still, I'd liked to have seen some fire from Kerry. I'd like to have heard him say loudly "Leave the kid alone!"

I can't call Kerry a hypocrite though. I'd have to have seen how he conducted himself when his protests were challenged. Bowa is fair game for that charge given the Bush "campaign events" and what Bowa's said. This wasn't the same as Bush's little secret service cops that weren't and all the other bullshit or charging people with crimes for just wearing a t-shirt.

The School and the cops are soley responsible for this action.

This was senseless. Stupid.

RCADE?


Why is this a big headline?

What am I missing that would justify such a headline.

from the article -

...after asking John Kerry a question about why he conceded the 2004 election so quickly even though there was evidence of voter fraud.

Glad I wasn't there 'cause that's the exact question I would have asked too.

If Kerry knew what was going on back there, he should have said something. However, I wouldn't necessarily expect him to physically intervene, though that would have been kind of cool and made for more good footage.

Fyi, people protesting Bush and/or Cheney have been more than forcibly removed; they've been arrested (and later exonerated). Beyond shameful.

Why is this a big headline?

Ask me again in a couple hours when the networks get a hold of that video.

If Kerry knew what was going on back there, he should have said something

Watch the video, Kerry knew that the kid had only asked him a question -- and then he watched as 5 cops dragged him away from the microphone -- Kerry could have stopped the whole thing by just saying to the police "Hey, leave him alone, he was asking me a question and I want to answer it".

But instead he did nothing.

And given that he earned his bones as an anti-war protester and knows how important it is to be able to exercise one's first amendment rights, it is disgraceful that he did nothing.

Ask a question that Kerry doesn't have the answer to on his cheat sheet and you'll be tasered.

Good thing the guy didn't ask him who really shot the goose. Who knows what might have transpired.

"Larry - thanks for putting in perspective..." Perspective? Being removed for bloviating vs tasered? If that is perspective to you it shows your partisan side.

Larry, "It went WAY Beyond the Loyalty Oath and You know it Dalton" Your statement is unclear.

"They were forcably removed for speaking their minds. I am not sure if any were tazered or not so I can't say. But the same thing happened in BOTH instances." Obviously being tasered is much more severe than removed. Any reasonable person can recognize that. I would also venture to say that if any person removed from a Bush rally were tasered it would be documented. So much for free speach I guess?

Why is this a big headline? What am I missing that would justify such a headline.

A student gets dragged away from a microphone by 5 cops and tasered for just asking a question to a US Senator and you don't think that is a big deal?

The kid was dragged off and tasered!!!!

he didn't raise his voice, he didn't use obscenities, his question wasn't innapropriate. offensive or abusive.

and he was dragged off by 5 cops and tasered!!!!

$War,

this is huge, man, huge.

Free speech used to be our right. Not any more.

Where were you Bowa. Where were you when this happened at Bush's little get togethers. Where people weren't even asking questions. When a bumper sticker on a car was enough. When a t-shirt was enough to get you removed and arrested?

I hope this serves as a lesson. It's wrong when ANYONE does it.

I think the guy was a little out of control and needed to be hauled off.

However, they didn't taser him until he was under their control. I don't see why they tasered him.

Where were you Bowa. Where were you when this happened at Bush's little get togethers. Where people weren't even asking questions. When a bumper sticker on a car was enough. When a t-shirt was enough to get you removed and arrested?

Oh, well just post the youtube videos so we can watch them.

I probably would've tasered him too, if for nothing else, just to move things along. If they hadn't, he'd still be asking the question. Godalmighty--the Florida recount of 2000 took less time that this blowhard at the microphone. And I'm not talking about Kerry, this time.

he didn't raise his voice, he didn't use obscenities

Actually he did. He was an asshole and I would have wanted him gone too.

They should have just hauled him into another room and tasered him in the balls.

Monetecore "Fyi, people protesting Bush and/or Cheney have been more than forcibly removed; they've been arrested (and later exonerated). Beyond shameful"

Yeah removed then exonerated is much much worse than being tasered and removed!

However, they didn't taser him until he was under their control. I don't see why they tasered him.

Police can't resist using the taser as a shut-the-fuck-up stick. The kid wasn't physically threatening anybody at the point he was tasered. One normally doesn't attempt to assault people while carrying a book in one hand. At least not a softcover.

Kerry showed a lack of leadership and should be ignored for the rest of his career. I had respect for kerry and the courage it took to stand up to the murderer Nixon and Congress, but kerry has lost his courage. He should have jumped off the stage and pulled those cops off that student. That a possible President of the United States would stand by as nazis haul off a student excercizing Free Speech shows his true stance.

Those cops were fucking Nazis----they just don't have the name to go with it---they acted just like they were at a Bush rally.

This country is fucking dead---we just aren't smart enough to admit it---much like a dinosaur who was dead for two days before his brain found out.

Actually after you watch it a couple of times it gets pretty funny.

"I probably would've tasered him too, if for nothing else, just to move things along."

Rightisacompleteasshole comes out in favor of a police state...what a surprise.

I hope this kid gets a good lawyer and sues the school for all they're worth.

Yeah removed then exonerated is much much worse than being tasered and removed!

Posted by Dalton at 2007-09-17 08:38 PM


Bush doesn't allow anyone into his speeches that doesn't belong to the Nazi party.

Police can't resist using the taser as a shut-the-fuck-up stick

Didn't they see the cameras? good grief it was Kerry on the stage, they had to know they would be on camera.

those cops were friggin stupid and I'm guessing they are out of a job tommorow.

What is the guys name?

Why was he there?

There is to much going on for this whole scene, the camera always on him even with going down the stairs.

There is something smelly going on and I thing the DNC just got their ass kicked.

The creepiest thing about this whole video is that ex-Anti-war protester john Kerry did nothing to stop this obvious violation by the police of this student's first amendment rights and said nothing while he was being dragged away from the microphone-- and then while the kid is being held down by 6 cops and tasered you can hear Kerry trying to answer his question.

It's creepy and surreal.

Posted by Bowa



Oh fuck you, Bowa. Enough of your bullshit. Good grief. The cops roughed him up, and they shoudln't have, but the kid was obnoxious, and needed to settle down and let the man answer. If you're being arrested and you resist or fight back, you get what you get. This is Kerry's fault? Tell me about Bush's "free-speech zones".

What an f-ing tool you are.

I hope this kid gets a good lawyer and sues the school for all they're worth.


Posted by Dave

Take a deep breath and relax.

The guy didn't stop and allow Kerry to answer the question. He just went on and on ranting. That is probably what got police attention directed towards him.

Enough of your bullshit. Good grief. The cops roughed him up, and they shoudln't have, but the kid was obnoxious, and needed to settle down and let the man answer. If you're being arrested and you resist or fight back, you get what you get. This is Kerry's fault? Tell me about Bush's "free-speech zones".

What an f-ing tool you are

Don't talk to BOB that way!!!!!

Actually after you watch it a couple of times it gets pretty funny.

No, none of it is funny, it is sad.

In fact, I have to take it back, this will be a big story and this kid will be smeared big time.

What are the odds it will come out that he is a Republican voter.

couple of things that occurred to me while I watched it.

first these were perfectly reasonable questions, the kind the media doesnt ask politicos.

seem especially appropriate give the setting a college campus which is supposedly a "liberal" place

someone should have explained to the cops that they will be ponying up in a lawsuit

that woman cop was a beeyatch, cam down son, no you fucking calm down, you're arresting me for asking a question.

What are the odds it will come out that he is a Republican voter.

zero. he was far too annoying to be anything but a liberal

The party of "non-censorship" sits by as a US citizen on a college campus (a place for "free" thought) is censored. And people here rationalize that away! So much venom is spewed here when a "perceived" act of censorship that offends their sensibilities occurs that they cannot even tell when it happens for real. The kid was not out of line, just passionate. A far cry from what almost always occurs when a Repub is on the dias.
Its one thing if the brownshirts escort you out (still censorship) but quite different when they assault you in the process. The worst I ever heard happening to a Repub protestor is that they were removed and possibly arrested. No Abu Graib tactics used. Lest we forget, the Nazis, like most Dems, were Socialists too. And once they got in power, they were such great people.

Ask a question that Kerry doesn't have the answer to on his cheat sheet and you'll be tasered.

Good thing the guy didn't ask him who really shot the goose. Who knows what might have transpired.

Posted by Incubus_Con



Anyone getting sick of these ignorant Bush suckups?

Did you see Keryy reduce McCain to a stammering asshole on Russert on Sunday morning?

Maybe it's just the wine tonight, but I am SO going to enjoy these Bush polyps absolutely drown the shit that is coming their way. Save this post.

Their little turd of a president is an embarassment and a laughingstock in the world, and it is a shame that we can't hold them personally responsible for the shame and damage the little Texas twit has broguht upon the US.

truth, he wasn't just asking a question. He kept asking the same questions over and over and wouldn't shut up and let Kerry answer.

I hope this serves as a lesson. It's wrong when ANYONE does it.

I agree Yav. Frankly, this is the first time I've seen an incident of someone being forcibly removed for just asking an appropriate question, during the scheduled question portion of the event.

that is what makes this incident so different and disturbing from anything else I've seen.

All the other incidents I've seen have shown protesters physically removed after they attempted to disrupt the event in some way.

But in this case, there was no disruption -- the student didn't raise his voice, he didn't use obscenities, his question wasn't innapropriate. offensive or abusive.

and he was dragged off by 5 cops and tasered!!!!

And to further compound this tragic violation of this student's first amendemnt rights, Kerry knew that the kid had only asked him a question -- and then he watched as 5 cops dragged him away from the microphone -- Kerry could have stopped the whole thing by just saying to the police "Hey, leave him alone, he was asking me a question and I want to answer it".

But instead he did nothing.

And given that he earned his bones as an anti-war protester and knows how important it is to be able to exercise one's first amendment rights, it is disgraceful that he did nothing.

inciting a riot,

he asked legitimate questions, wasnt rabble rousing, obviously nervous but asking genuing questions,

sounded like kerry wanted to answer the questions.

again the type of questions the media doesnt ask politicos

first these were perfectly reasonable questions, the kind the media doesnt ask politicos.

I agree but that is irrelevant. If he would have just shut up after a couple questions then he would have been fine but he wasn't really interested in an answer.

Like RIR said, he would still be up there if he hadn't been dragged away.

Eberly,

I don't agree, this doesn't feel right, smell right, or appear right.

It probably is not right.

Video the whole time, not a chance in normal circumstances.

This whole thing was a set up.

We will see in the end.

Maybe it's just the wine tonight, but I am SO going to enjoy these Bush polyps absolutely drown the shit that is coming their way. Save this post.

HOw much have you drank?

Is it Boone's Farm or just wine coolers?

bull, he was asking three questions, he was attempting to give some perspective on teh questions,

why did you conceed the 2004 election so quickly wouldnt have made any sense without him providing some back up.

is your problem the length of the questions?

Watch the tape. The cops grabbed him the SECOND he asked Kerry if he was a member of Skull & Bones. That's where the line was crossed.

Don't tell me we don't live in a fucking police state. Step out of line, ask an uncomfortable question, and they'll haul you away.

And when the cops go to unlawfully arrest you, if you dare defend yourself against police brutality, they'll take you down and beat you.

And the way everyone else in the theatre just sat there and kept their heads down tells you all you need to know. Anyone who would have jumped in to defend a fellow citizen against police brutality would have been tazered as well.

It's fucking bullshit, we live in a police state. I hope this kid doesn't stop the lawsuits until every single one of these cops is in jail.

And yes, Kerry has always been a douche.

Bowa - you can google (video) alex jones bush arrest and watch Alex Jones ask a question of (Gov) Bush and get hauled off and arrested.

I found 3 vids of people being arrested at Bush rallys in no time. Two were arrested for t-shirts. The 3rd was the Jone's vid.

The party of "non-censorship" sits by as a US citizen on a college campus (a place for "free" thought) is censored.

What video did you watch? People were screaming at the police, people followed the police out and were telling the guy they'd testify against the cops!

Take a look at this thread for who's defending the police! I give credit to Bowa for seeing how wrong this was. I hope it's a light coming on.

as for a set up cause some people were videoing it, I doubt it, I figure cameras are sop nowadays at events like this, when they pan around there were a half dozen people with cameras, I would consider bring a camera if i was going to see a presidential canidate speak

I do have to laugh at BOWA's stupid comments and posting.

Think about this people, BOWA posted this.

OK, I'm posting this after just having watched the video and I haven't ready anyone's posts yet. I wanted to be unbiased in my reaction.

First, although a bit dickish and whiny, the kid had every right to ask those questions.

The cops completely overeacted.

Kerry's half hearted attempt to stop it when the cops first try to remove him was lame.

There is no way he deserved to be tazed. He's a whiny little pain in the ass, true, but shackling him and thowing him in cold, hard cell for about 12 hrs would chnge that attitude pretty quick.

So, summing up:

1. Kid was a whiny dickish asshole.

2. Cops acted like Nazi's

3. Kerry acted like a pussy.

How did I do?

Norm, I'm not condoning the tazering but the statement that we live in a police state is a little over the top in itself.

you missed that BOWA is a fucking tool

Watch the tape. The cops grabbed him the SECOND he asked Kerry if he was a member of Skull & Bones. That's where the line was crossed.

But why should that cross a line? It is entirely legitiamte to question Kerry's motives for conceding so early and asking him whether or not he had a 'gentlemens agreement" with Bush because they both belonged to the "Skull & Bones" and there was an unwritten rule that they would not ever drag each other through the courts for any reason.

Watch the tape. The cops grabbed him the SECOND he asked Kerry if he was a member of Skull & Bones. That's where the line was crossed.

Oh Please!!!!!

those cops understood that!!!!

NO, watch the video folks. At the time they cut his microphone, he had asked around 20 questions and had given Kerry NO chance to answer 1 of them

They cut his mic and dragged him off because it had become obvious that this kid was just angry and full of hate.

Again, he should have asked 2 questions and then shut up.

Personally, I would have liked to hear Kerry answer.

Look at all the Righties here, the party of Small Government, defending the cops who ganged up on a kid and tazered him.

Is a police state small government? Is it Constitutional? Is it what the founding fathers had in mind, that if you ask the wrong question you get beat down?

But of course, why would the party of Club Gitmo give a shit about that some kid got tazered. Just should have kept his mouth shut right?

This isn't America anymore.

Don't tell me we don't live in a fucking police state.

We don't live in a fucking police state.

Yeah,

5 cops arresting an individual are going to allow public cameras to follow them down stairs to another hallway.

Thinking about all this, the cop would have to be the stupidest untrained unaware individuals ever.

So I am the only one who sees this and don't think it is all square. I am the only one who thinks this will become an issue but will not be what the issue here thinks it will be.

Hope this does what it should do, strike home to all law enforcement about our rights but don't think this is why it made the air.

Notice the likes of BOWA, not a care for the kid but sure pushing it at Kerry and soon to follow the DNC.

Wake up!

Our Government is not trustworthy, it lacks the moral authority to rule. It lies and steals incessantly, usually in collaboration with private investors, that want nothing to do with risk.

But, the most important thing to Republocrats is to perpetuate the myth of legitimacy. This rule bounds questions and answers, for all players who seek access to deep pockets.

This poor man did not understand this rule. He violated no law, but he did offend the sensibilities of power. Kerry never answered the questions he posed.

An assault on Academia is in progress. Naturally Cheney is leading the charge and sadly AIPAC is also behind the assault. Brilliant Professors across the countrey, who have critized Iaraeli policy are being denied key positons. Prisons are being built at a record pace. Nazis began with similar techniques. Where will it all end?

But of course, why would the party of Club Gitmo give a shit about that some kid got tazered. Just should have kept his mouth shut right?

Bullshit. You just agree with the kid's emotions and that justify's your position to YOU. this is why you are wrong.

None of those questions would have gotten him in trouble if he would have just picked 2 or so. Just ask them and shut up.

Norm, if I disrupt a question and answer segment after a speech by ranting and raving and not allowing the speaker to answer, I would say I was asking for it. If he had been left to carry on and on like he had been doing, its very possible he could have incited a riot. A lot of people would have probably gotten hurt if the police hadn't stepped in. You did notice how he reacted when they tried to escort him from the room?

Watching it I was wondering why they let the woman ith the cell cam continue to follow them down the stairs. I kept thinking, they're just gonna let her go down there? But it did look like a common public area so maybe they couldn't really stop her.

Norm, I'm not condoning the tazering but the statement that we live in a police state is a little over the top in itself.

Posted by anamerican at 2007-09-17 08:59 PM


Then you haven't been paying attention. There is no Free Speech this thread is proof of that. The Press is owned by Big Business and the government. There is no Right to Peaceful Assembly. Habeous is a possibility if you haven't pissed someone off--otherwise you can now be thrown in jail for the rest of your life and never see a lawyer or judge that didn't have a Kangaroo tail.

You just have to tell people they are free. They don't have to actually be free to believe it.

Notice the likes of BOWA, not a care for the kid

That's not fair at all-- I am horrified and outraged over what that kid went through. how dare those cops do that to him, how dare the entire audience just stand idly by and do nothing to help him and stop it, and how dare john Kerry, the person at the podium with the gravitas to stop what was happening immediately - how dare John kerry do nothing and allow that kid to be dragged off and tasered for just asking a question.

Moneywar, In Florida cops can't stop video recordings. It's against the law.

Sorry eberly...he had asked no questions by the time he was approached by police...had spoken for 29 seconds 11 of which he spent thanking for Mr. Kerry for being there today...i would have gotten obnoxious about the same time he did(when being forcibly detained for no reason)

Thinking about all this, the cop would have to be the stupidest untrained unaware individuals ever.

I'm going with that.

We don't live in a fucking police state.

Alright, so how do you explain the events in the video.

Cops are power hungry dicks, and the second you don't do EXACTLY as you're told, they go for the handcuffs, the tazer or the gun.

The kid wasn't rushing the stage, he wasn't attacking Kerry, there was no cause to arrest him.

He kept screaming for them to let him go. But will the cops let you go to explain things once they have you?

No, you have to submit completely, no resistance, no self defense, in objection to every reflex screaming in your brain to get away from danger, you have to lay there completely still while men with guns do with you whatever they like.

It's a police state.

The Press is owned by Big Business and the government. ....

That's one of the reasons we started The Free World Radio Network. We couldn't just sit around and do nothing and watch the MSM collude with Bushco. Then it became apparent he Dems were impotent, we had to do something.

I agree with those who said Kerry watching the kid get dragged off and Tazed is isgusting and unforgiveable.

he had asked no questions by the time he was approached by police...had spoken for 29 seconds 11 of which he spent thanking for Mr. Kerry for being there today...i would have gotten obnoxious about the same time he did(when being forcibly detained for no reason)

We also don't know what was going on before the video ran. Kerry had been speaking for some time. Was this guy waiting by the mic all that time.

As pissed off as he was it would have been obvious to see what was coming.

I'll admit I'm speculating on that though.

Eberly, the first time the cop approaches the kid, you can hear the kid say "He spoke for 2 hrs" pointing at Kerry.

You are speculating and sound kind of dumb because of it...so stop and realize what you see in this video is not justified...not even by your theoreticals.

None of those questions would have gotten him in trouble if he would have just picked 2 or so. Just ask them and shut up.

Posted by eberly at 2007-09-17 09:04 PM | Reply | Flag

Interesting position, the kid is at fault because if he would have just closed his mouth and not be a voiceful citizen to an elected official he would not be tazered and arrested.

You see, don't question the elected officials, toe the line and your rights won't be violated.

I just don't think that way Eberly, sad that you do.

Hans, you are started to read like a broke record. If you think it is so bad here, run over to Iran or Venezula or Cuba and criticize their leader.

Moneywar, In Florida cops can't stop video recordings. It's against the law.

You mean to tell me they could not stop the public from going down stair in the hall why they took care of the kid.

Bull shit!!!!

not letting Kerry answer the question (or any other politician for that matter) should result in you being tasered and viciously beaten by the police. There is no alternative way to combat this and most people agree with me.

You see, don't question the elected officials, toe the line and your rights won't be violated.

I just don't think that way Eberly, sad that you do.

Posted by moneywar


the bats are out tonight.

What instructions do you think these students were given before given the opportunity to ask questions of John Kerry?

they were told to QUICKLY get to the point and ask your question and shut up.

It took 15 seconds to determine that this kid wasn't going to do that.

Again, ask 2 questions (probably 1 more than he was told he could ask) and shut up.

It is that simple.


for most people that is.....

2 questions:

Does anyone know if they were all rent a cops of were there real cops mixed in?

Is there realy anyone who can watch this video and then try and defend the cops?

I would like to see a well thought out reasoned defense from someone who thinks this is OK in America.

"If you think it is so bad here, run over to Iran or Venezula or Cuba and criticize their leader."

I-ro-ny (noun): incongruity between what actually happens and what might be expected to happen, especially when this disparity seems absurd or laughable.

just a theoretical here

but i believe inciting a riot can be considered a terrorist activity,

so theoreticall mind you this kid could be labelled an enemy combatant.

scary taint it.

suppose that was what the kid was worried about when the police wanted his name.

That is correct, Moneywar. Not legally. With the crowd that followed the police and kids down the stairs, they'd be asking for more trouble than they already bought themselves. Especially with the cameras rolling.

You are speculating and sound kind of dumb because of it...so stop and realize what you see in this video is not justified...not even by your theoreticals.

I guess I have to ask some dimwits here a question....what is your problem?

that he was detained or that he was tasered?

I think detaining him was appropriate because the point of asking a question is to ask and wait for an answer.

I don't think he should have been tasered though.

Florida is a liberal bastion so you need to start asking the liberal regime who had the ultimate liberal speaking why another liberal was censored and taken away by a liberal regimes own liberal gestapo.

You're an idiot.

Norm, if I disrupt a question and answer segment after a speech by ranting and raving and not allowing the speaker to answer, I would say I was asking for it.

Watch the video again. Watch it again. He had just finished his question "Are you a member of Skull & Bones? Were you and Bush members of the same secret society?"

At that point, 5:31 on the video clock, he stopped talking. HE STOPPED TALKING. The next thing that happened was the cops grabbed him and he says "What are you arresting me for?"

He wasn't ranting, he asked his questions and stopped, and then was arrested by the cops. Why did they arrest him when he had finished speaking?

And the second that he chalenged the unlawfull arrest, the second he as a free citizen resisted a cop arresting him for committing no crime, they started the police brutality.

The line that he had to be tazered to prevent a riot from starting is such complete bullshit, and the line I would expect from a well trained GOP sheep.

The exact same mentality that says we have to bomb the shit out of Iraq to give them freedom.

I give credit to Bowa for seeing how wrong this was. I hope it's a light coming on.

Well thanks Yav. in general I believe that political events and rallys have a right to go on without disruption. And both democrats and republicans have a right to their own events with an expectation that their views will be able to be expressed without intereference.

I don't support making people sign "loyalty oaths" though I don't think they are illegal. I am against arresting/removing people for wearing t-shirts or carrying signs with contrary views.

On the other hand, I don't see anything wrong with removing people who are engaging in obviously disruptive behavior -- shouting and yelling, blocking pathways, wearing offensive or obscene t-shirts, carrying offensive/obscene signage etc.

As I said, what makes this incident so different and disturbing is that the kid was obviously not enagaging in any disruptive behavior and yet he was dragged off by 5 cops and tasered.

PS: I will check out the Jones video in a little while and let you know what I think.

"Florida is a liberal bastion..."

Presidential election in 2000: Florida to the GOP

Presidential election in 2004: Florida to the GOP

Governor, 1999-present: GOP

Florida House of Representatives: GOP

Florida Senate: GOP

I like how they didnt go after him until the very end when he asked about skull and bones.

LOL at florida being a liberal bastion. Our governor for the last 8 years has been a Bush.

Oh and the police incited the riot by going after a man for asking a question who knew he did nothing wrong and freaked out that he was being arrested by the gestapo for asking a question.

Kerry is an irrelevant bore. The surprise is that they didn't have to taser people to keep them from the exits. Christ, Fred Thompson is more exciting, and he has to have raffles to get them to stay.

If anyone should be charged with inciting a riot it should be the police.

What rules should exist here? What parameters should exist for a college campus where any idiot can get up and ask a question?

the kid gets up there and the first thing he does is call Kerry a fucking idiot for not challenging the election and that it was the student's intend to inform everyone of this. No question from him, just a speech by the student. then when challenged on this he goes off and starts asking a bunch of questions.

Again, he needed to be restrained if he wouldn't just ask his question and shut up and listen.

I think detaining him was appropriate because the point of asking a question is to ask and wait for an answer.

I don't think he should have been tasered though.

Posted by eberly at 2007-09-17 09:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

He should have been asked to leave. Not detained, just asked to leave.

someone should have explained to the police along the way that they will be paying this kid alot of money about a year from now AND will soon be on the unemployment line.

btw does anyone know if htey were real cops or campus security


cause I dont like campus security, they took beer from me once, bad campus security, bad

This reminds me of a recent incident during petreaus' testimony. Rev Lennox Yearwood was jumped by 6 cops and his ankle broken for even less than this kid did.

This is everyday garbage now, what makes it news is when it happens at or near a political event. We need to take this country back.

He wasn't ranting, he asked his questions and stopped, and then was arrested by the cops. Why did they arrest him when he had finished speaking?

Oh my GOD!!! You are lost Norm.

as for the questions, I thought them perfectly valid

he was providing background for the question why didnt you contest the election.

he figured he wouldnt get a follow up so asked quickly about impeaching bush and the skull and bones stuff

how often do you get to question a senator, a presidential candidate.

at least now we can be assured that kerry is aware that at least some of our nations citizens want bush impeached,

you wouldnt get questions asked like that from the media, certainly not with the same passion.

Skinnytits: 2 yrs old or 2 days old, it still happened. So STFU before you accidentally have a cerebral hemmorage.

Suppose you are driving down the road and get stopped by the police. You don't know why they are stopping you. Now, if they ask you to step outside of the car and you start screaming and trying to get away from them, what do you think will happen?

Same thing, different setting.

Bout time! Damn kids ...

GET OFF MY LAWN!

It's a police state.

What they can not do is take away your dignity.

That said, our police have become militarized to a degree that only a well trained force could resist, and probably not for long by itself.

Kerry is my Senator and I did vote for him. His actions leave me scratching my head though.

I've never written my Senator before, but his actions (or lack thereof) call for it.

Maybe I'll ask the same question in my letter and hope the UMASS police don't how up at my house.

AnalAmerican: I believe I asked for a well thought out, reasoned, defense. I don't think you showing up and farting your opinion counts.

God, that video is awful. Not only did Kerry did nothing, but those cops brutalized that kid and they didn't even read him his rights.

And all that happened is a few people yelled for them to stop? WTF is wrong with people? If I saw police doing that, call me crazy, but I'd jump in and try to protect the person. Are people so afraid of being arrested or beat up that they'd let a nother innocent human being suffer and possibly die?

Fucking crowd was full of cowardly sheep. Some of them clapped when he was hauled away. What a disgrace.

I don't care that this makes kerry look bad, this kind of thing, and the Yearwood tape need to be playing 24/7 on the MSM until someone loses their job, and it just isn't happening that way at all, is it?

OK, Hans. I stand corrected. Still doesn't make it right. But the Dems appear to hold the corner on tazer use.

And no, didn't hear those in the background screaming for more than a moment or two. I was too busy try to hear the brave John Kerry defend the kid's right to speak.

"But the Dems appear to hold the corner on tazer use."

You have copies of the voter registration cards for the police in the video?

Impressive.

Hans

But the Dems appear to hold the corner on tazer use.

WTF are you talking about, you idiot? This is not a partisan issue. These types of tactics are being used all over American every single day, and they need to stop.

I don't give a damn if it's an (R) a (D) or anything else.

Briwo, your reply to me shows that you have no rebuttal.

Now, if they ask you to step outside of the car and you start screaming and trying to get away from them, what do you think will happen?

That's exactly my point. The police have all the power. Why should you have to get out of your car and make yourself vulnerable to attack if you've done nothing wrong?

I know exactly what will happen. If you refuse to get out of a car, they imediately pronounce you guilty of something.
The cop will draw his weapon, order you out, throw you to the ground, stomp you and arrest you.

But why should a cop have the right to order a law abiding citizen out of their car, or to forcibly detain someone who's committed no crime?

Why do we give the police that power?

Alex: I concur 100%

"the first thing he does is call Kerry a fucking idiot for not challenging the election" - Eberly
Ummmm that didnt happen...he asked his reasoning for it"

"Again, he needed to be restrained if he wouldn't just ask his question and shut up and listen."- Eberly
I dont care who is involved...not following the traditional standards for asking a question is not an arrestable offense. Show me the statute that says im wrong.

AnalAmerican: scroll up, I already laid out my thoughts, I'm not about to repeat myself.

Bowa - you can google (video) alex jones bush arrest and watch Alex Jones ask a question of (Gov) Bush and get hauled off and arrested.

Thanks Yav, saw rthe video -- what happened to Alex jones was wrong too.

I have to say though, he was ushered out quickly and arrested which was bad enough -- but I certainly didn't have the same visceral anger and outrage that I got from watching this kid get dragged by 5 cops aways from the mike, while he was pleading the whole time "What did I do! What did I do!" thrown to the ground and held down screaming at the back of the auditorium and tasered -- and the whole time nobody in the audience did naything to help him and neither did the US Senator on the stage who could have stopped the disgraceful violation of this kid's rights at anytime.

I know exactly what will happen. If you refuse to get out of a car, they imediately pronounce you guilty of something.
The cop will draw his weapon, order you out, throw you to the ground, stomp you and arrest you.

How many times have you had your ass kicked?

Interesting,

Student Tasered at Kerry Speech
Andrew Meyer, a University of Florida student from Weston, was tasered and taken away by police after asking John Kerry a question about why he conceded the 2004 election so quickly even though there was evidence of voter fraud.

Posted by Bowa at 08:24 PM | 115 COMMENTS

This is his threat header submitted.

It's creepy and surreal.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-09-17 07:26 PM | Reply | Flag:


So his first comment made it to the page one hour before he actually posted the page.

Nice!

Bowa - small steps. See how it grows?

"I have to say though, he was ushered out quickly and arrested which was bad enough -- but I certainly didn't have the same visceral anger and outrage that I got from watching this kid get dragged by 5 cops aways from the mike, while he was pleading the whole time "What did I do! What did I do!"

No doubt Alex Jones will now sleep more soundly tonight... along with the hundreds of others arrested at Bush rallies:

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them.
Frederick Douglass

When Frederick Douglass was asked by a young student what his advice he would give to young people his reply was "Agitate".

and the whole time nobody in the audience did naything to help him

Now that is what is sad, no one came to help when they knew what was going on. After screamin and still no one came to his aid.

Personally, I wish I had never voted for Kerry. There's obviously something wrong with a man that continues to answer a question asked by a kid that was dragged away and tasered.

Bowa - small steps. See how it grows?

Question Yav, What happened to Jones? Hope he collected some big bucks from Texas for false arrest.

I had a run-in with Cape Canaveral cops once that still leaves me wondering what the hell happened. It went a little somethiung like this.

My ship had docked at Port Canaveral (1994) for a simple port visit and as we were walking near the ship, there were a bunch of cars filling a parking lot (field) to come take tours of the ship. I was in my dress whites and we had gone for a msoke away from the pier as we were refueling. As I walked back, I walked by two cops who were talking to a couple in a minivan about where to park. I walked in front of the van to go around when I heard screaming coming from behind me. I turned to see what the problem was and a cop was running at me. NOT after me, but AT me. I stopped and faced him and stopped as well about an inch from my face and proceeded to start screaming at me about why I cut in fromt of the car. I was so taken back. I explained that the car was stopped and that I had to get back to the ship to give tours in a very repectful tone. Anyway, the cop demaned to see see my militay ID and then told me to hand it over (a BIG No No in the service). He grabbed it from my hands and then said I wasn't getting it back. I said "fine, tell that to my commanding officer, he's right there". I was immediately given my ID and told to "get the fuck outta here". When I asked him what was the problem, he asked me if I wanted to ne put in cuffs. This is when I got a little annoyed with the whole situation and said "If you feel what I did warrants it, do it". He told me to beat it and that was that. Complee fucking dickhead.

The best part, I was the tour guide when he and his family showed up for the tour the next day. The 30 minute tour took about 5 minutes (after waiting in line about an hour) and then I showed him off the ship. He never mentioned the situation, and I was very cordial during the tour (his family was there afterall) but he didn't get to see SHIT.

He should have been asked to leave. Not detained.

I believe he was asked to leave. He refused.

buffalo bob "Bush doesn't allow anyone into his speeches that doesn't belong to the Nazi party."

I know it's been a while since i posted last but, Bob shows his true colors when he equates Bush and his party to Nazi's when he defends shocking someone in a Kerry speach. I just find it laughable that anyone can defend this. I would find it wrong unless the guy is about to physically attack the person speaking.

As a partisan jab... I am surprised Kerry did not hunt him down and shoot him in the back!

Oh my GOD!!! You are lost Norm.

Watch the video again. He stated he had two more questions, and he asked them and stopped. He then turned to ask the cops moving towards him why they were grabbing him and arresting him.
They had no cause.


in general I believe that political events and rallys have a right to go on without disruption.

And that is proving to be the downfall of our democracy. Because nobody likes being called a dumbass in public. So if you can create carefully scripted staged events where nothing goes wrong and nobody asks the wrong question, our politicians can stay in their ivory tower and pretend they're geniuses and nothing is going wrong in the world.

In a democracy, political events should be full of disruptions. The politicians need to see that the American people are angry, that we don't agree with their decisions.

No politician should be sheltered away from the citizens.

Personally, I wish I had never voted for Kerry. There's obviously something wrong with a man that continues to answer a question asked by a kid that was dragged away and tasered.

Creepy and surreal is what came to mind when I saw first saw the video.

"Visceral anger and outrage" Rudy for president thongs.

It'll scare the pants off of your significant other.

Hans

Now that is what is sad, no one came to help when they knew what was going on. After screamin and still no one came to his aid.

That's not true. Watch the end of the video attached to this article. Watch the link I posted towards the end.

people need to witness a british parliamentary q & a session its a brouhaha

politicians should be forced to answer to agitation

if they cant defend their positions, then their positions are likely piss poor.

Norm, I suppose the reason might be that the police have paid with their lives by being nice to people. So they have to treat everyone as a threat.

My son was handcuffed,hauled off to jail and his car was towed. And he was not combative and fully cooperative. He was stopped because his annual inspection was 15 days late. A license check by the officer showed that his drivers license was revoked for failure to appear in court in another state. He had made arrangements with the court before leaving the state and was told he didn't have to be there. So a mistake on the part of the court resulted in being treated like a hardened criminal.

Didn't like it, but they were within the law.

Please, STOP equating Bush to Nazi's. The conversation never leads to good debate. It only hurts credibility and the legitimacy of your argument.

Dalton-
re: As a partisan jab... I am surprised Kerry did not hunt him down and shoot him in the back!

Posted by Dalton at 2007-09-17 09:47 PM |

That's not a partisan jab. That's what you would call a vile and treasonous comment if directed against a Republican vet.

There's obviously something wrong with a man that continues to answer a question asked by a kid that was dragged away and tasered.

The more times I watch the video, the more Kerry's response seems totally insane.

Bowa- Check my video as well.

In a democracy, political events should be full of disruptions. The politicians need to see that the American people are angry, that we don't agree with their decisions.

No politician should be sheltered away from the citizens.

Posted by Norm_ at 2007-09-17 09:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fuckin A

Question Yav, What happened to Jones? Hope he collected some big bucks from Texas for false arrest.

I don't know, Bowa.

And for the record, Reverend Lennox YearWood is also a veteran.

There were rules for this forum. This kid broke the rules right away. There were probably a lot of kids waiting to ask a question who would have done it respectfully and not lectured Kerry on what a dickhead he is.

when did peace activist begin equating to threat?

Posted by Norm_ at 2007-09-17 09:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think Norm nailed it, too.

Kerry is a douchebag, but is this really news to anyone (the douchebag part...not the taser article)?

In a democracy, political events should be full of disruptions. The politicians need to see that the American people are angry, that we don't agree with their decisions.

No politician should be sheltered away from the citizens.

Posted by Norm_

I second Alex... Fuckin A.

Hans

The more times I watch the video, the more Kerry's response seems totally insane.

Posted by rcade



I think it was kerry's lame attempt to quiet the situation, saying what the kid was asking wasnt that bad, but he SHOULD have been more forceful in confronting the police, but then the repukes would say Kerry hates the police

just curious what people think kerry should have done? rushed the police?

perhaps he could have shouted for them to leave the kid alone but im not sure that a politician would do something like that.

I think it was kerry's lame attempt to quiet the situation, saying what the kid was asking wasnt that bad, but he SHOULD have been more forceful in confronting the police, but then the repukes would say Kerry hates the police

Yeah, and we like to rape orphans also :-(

TH- Who cares what the brainwashed bushbots think? They'll spin anything in their favor.

Kerry should have done the right thing and told those security douches to back off.

"I believe he was asked to leave. He refused." - Eberly

It is telling that you qualified this statement with "I believe"...shows me that you had an inkling you might be full of shit...look again i heard noone at any point ask him to leave...quit making shit up or "speculating as you call it" you're really sounding quite dumb.

I agree with Norm that our Representatives need to see the Americn people are angry.

Maybe if more of us had gotten angrier, sooner, our kids wouldn't still be dying.

I don't know, Bowa.

Well, I'll see if I can find out and report back.

There were rules for this forum. This kid broke the rules right away. There were probably a lot of kids waiting to ask a question who would have done it respectfully and not lectured Kerry on what a dickhead he is.

Posted by eberly at 2007-09-17 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

The kid did nothing even remotely warranting the brutal response he received. You're the dickhead, along with kerry.

i totally agree, if you ask 3 questions when its made clear that beforehand that you are only allowed 2.... then the police should bring you down HARD, Body Slam you, break your spirit and will to live. There is no alternative.

Remember, 9/11 Changed Everything. The old rules were thrown out and now you have to play by the new ones.

Bowa- Good luck. Jones was arrested at least twice in 1998 that I know of.

just curious what people think kerry should have done? rushed the police?

perhaps he could have shouted for them to leave the kid alone but im not sure that a politician would do something like that.

Posted by truthhurts

What do you expect the 18-year old co-ed to do as well? Jump on 6 cops and get tasered also?

Was the guy really tasered, I wonder? Yes, we hear him scream, "don't taze me", but was he? seconds after he was supposedly tasered he is up and walkkng and talking. Based on videos I've seen people who get tasered are incapiciated for several minutes.

Citizens arrest, eberly. I dare a cop to taser me while I'm doing that on camera.

What do you expect the 18-year old co-ed to do as well? Jump on 6 cops and get tasered also?

Posted by eberly at



well clearly the cops had it coming

"This kid broke the rules right away" - Eberly

Can you send me a copy of that rulebook?

"There were probably a lot of kids waiting" -Ebberly

You defend these cops with comletely made up shit.....STOP PLEASE...or i will ask that you be arrested for not following the accepted rules of intellectual debate.

Goatman- you can HEAR the taser buzzing in the youtube video. They did it.

Norm is dead on!

It is telling that you qualified this statement with "I believe"...shows me that you had an inkling you might be full of shit...look again i heard noone at any point ask him to leave...quit making shit up or "speculating as you call it" you're really sounding quite dumb.


Posted by nolrobrad

WTF do think they said to him them? "would you prefer ice or heat after your taser?"

they told him to leave.

You must get your ass kicked a lot also.

Briwo, did you read Murtha's statement today that the nation can't concentrate on getting out of Iraq because of the elections. You can see where your politicians priorities lie, can't you?

The cops were so clearly in the wrong in this situation I find it difficult to believe that any of us, on the right or left, would be in disagreement.

yet, unbelievably, there are people here who actually believe the cops were justified in dragging this kid away from the mike, throwing him to the ground, tasering him, and arresting him for just asking a question during the scheduled 'question' portion of the event.

If cameras were present when cops make arrests most folks would hate cops as much as do the folks who hae to submit to their abuse daily. The only thing exceptional about this episode really is that it is a middle class white kid who never thought he would be the object of the police brutality. John Kerry didn't have a clue what to do and that is his problem but he doesn't look real "presidential" in this video though I seriously doubt any of the present contenders would either. Here in S. florida we have lost six cops to gun shots in the past month. It's a real tragedy and I feel very sorry for those officers and their families but to pretend that there isn't an element of the violence brought about by their daily brutality is bull shit.

Was the guy really tasered, I wonder? Yes, we hear him scream, "don't taze me", but was he? seconds after he was supposedly tasered he is up and walkkng and talking. Based on videos I've seen people who get tasered are incapiciated for several minutes.

Posted by goatman at 2007-09-17 10:02 PM | Reply


Yes He was clearly tasered. You could hear the taser going off in Yav's post link.

Larry

Well, it would annoying if it took a democrat screwing up for our "liberal media" to post this video, but it would be worth it.

This shit needs to stop.

quiet down, take some deep breaths and listen to these officers


hey fuck you i am being arrested for asking questions.

If the guy had been left alone and pulled a gun out and started shooting, everyone on here would be asking where the police or security were. Go figure.

"WTF do think they said to him them?" -Eberly

I wouldnt dare to speculate.

and not lectured Kerry on what a dickhead he is.

Kerry is a dickhead. Maybe if someone had called him out on it years ago, he wouldn't still be a dickhead.

You Eberly should fully support the right of a citizen to tell Kerry exactly what degree of dickhead he is.

Was the guy really tasered, I wonder? Yes, we hear him scream, "don't taze me", but was he? seconds after he was supposedly tasered

You can hear the electricity discharging -- the cracking and popping sound -- as he's being tasered.

"This kid broke the rules right away" - Eberly

Can you send me a copy of that rulebook?

"There were probably a lot of kids waiting" -Ebberly

You defend these cops with comletely made up shit.....STOP PLEASE...or i will ask that you be arrested for not following the accepted rules of intellectual debate.

Posted by nolrobrad

If this gets any press then I'm sure we will learn just exactly what the rules were. I'm confident that he stepped way over the line.

I don't defend the cops for anything. They were probably following instructions given to them. Either from the the University or from Kerry's people.

and in case you can't read......I have said it at least 3 times......they shouldn't have tasered him.

don't stop though. you are doing fine.

really

The cops were so clearly in the wrong in this situation I find it difficult to believe that any of us, on the right or left, would be in disagreement.

yet, unbelievably, there are people here who actually believe the cops were justified in dragging this kid away from the mike, throwing him to the ground, tasering him, and arresting him for just asking a question during the scheduled 'question' portion of the event.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-09-17 10:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

It is really sickening, isn't it? As much as I think you spin and distort on certain subjects (Obama, Rudy) I'm glad you "get it" here.

And danni is right. The brutalizing cops encourage the good cops to get shot at, and it's a a shame.

Bowa, their actions were over the top. But, the guy was over the top himself.

You're the dickhead, along with kerry.

Posted by Alexandrite

OUCH! At least I can read.

btw the lady "cop" admitted to using the tazer

she said stop or resisting or I'll (?) use it again.

I don't defend the cops for anything. They were probably following instructions given to them.

LOL!

My sweater is red. My sweater is NOT red.

-Eberly

If the guy had been left alone and pulled a gun out and started shooting, everyone on here would be asking where the police or security were. Go figure.

Posted by anamerican at 2007-09-17 10:06 PM | Reply | Flag

What an ass!

We should close all public events because WHAT IF brought a gun and started shooting.

For that matter, all planes should have to fly only over water and never ever toward a city ever again.

"I don't defend the cops for anything. They were probably following instructions given to them." -Eberly

I never swear. Fuck Shit Piss Kunt.

Kerry showed a lack of leadership... -- Bowa

Kerry's (non)reaction was completely bizarre. I was watching him on MTP yesterday and wondering how someone who can be so sharp could screw up so much on the campaign trail. Guess he was due again.

The campus cops were idiots. The kid's mike hadn't been off for more than a couple seconds when they grabbed him. The crowd would have shouted him down if he had continued.

cooper blathers on "That's not a partisan jab. That's what you would call a vile and treasonous comment..." Treasonous? Look goosestepper, do you consider free speach treason?

If this happened at a Bush rally would you consider "... but is this really news to anyone" ? Get out your brown shirt.

You would not consider anything. I have seen enough of you Boyd to know that you woul lap this up like a dog. As a matter of fact, I bet you have said much worse about the "oath pledge" that Bush has at his rallies? Be honest.

Besides my Kerry jab was a joke!

Goatman- you can HEAR the taser buzzing in the youtube video. They did it.

You're right. I didn't hear it the first time I watched the video.

rofl @ Posted by nolrobrad at 2007-09-17 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Glad I'm not the only one that caught that...thought I was seeing things.

Rightisacompleteasshole comes out in favor of a police state...what a surprise.

I hope this kid gets a good lawyer and sues the school for all they're worth.

Posted by Dave
* * * *

Um, OK. I was joking, actually. But since you think we live in a police state--along with a small handful of other retards who posted along with you--I've a couple of questions too.

If we live in a police state, why is John Kerry's existence even tolerated? After all, police states aren't exactly celebrated for their diversity of political opinion, let alone parties. Two, the moron in question (the kid, not Kerry) was asking why didn't he seek a recount?--another feature not exactly prominent in police states.

No, so a couple of rent-a-cops took their job a little too seriously, and John Kerry--hero of an entire generation of protesters--sat idly by while the kid got a few thousand volts up his ass. Forget everything else: the story is just funny.

You Eberly should fully support the right of a citizen to tell Kerry exactly what degree of dickhead he is.

Posted by Norm_

I do. But this was inside a building located on a University Campus full of young people.

:-) Hey Nolrobrad. Looks like the two teachers on the list have weighed in -- that kid was not a big problem.

I wan to go on the record that I appreciate Alex's comments as to the abusiveness of these action's. This is way over the line. I don't even think Kerry had a role in it. Just the fact that if this happened at a Bush rally it would be and should be condemned.

I can guarantee at this point that this video will be played nonstop on cable news in a few days. Mostly because the "liberal media" will be able to bash Kerry.

I doubt you'll ever see the Rev Yearwood story on cable. Hope I'm wrong.

$50 says this guy is on the Today show by Thursday.

Dalton-
re: If this happened at a Bush rally would you consider "... but is this really news to anyone" ?

What I said was this:

Kerry is a douchebag, but is this really news to anyone (the douchebag part...not the taser article)?

Posted by Cooper at 2007-09-17 09:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

problem is obviously a map shortage in america.

If failing to speak clearly and succinctly was a crime, Shrub would be in a gulag. The issue is how much moeny and power do you have. The police undertsand this aubconsciously.

Kerry had no role in it...other than to DO NOTHING with the microphone.

Jesus, a guy off the street would have used the mic to shout "stop that!" at the "cops". WTF is wrong with Kerry?

"The creepiest thing about this whole video is that ex-Anti-war protester john Kerry did nothing to stop this obvious violation by the police of this student's first amendment rights and said nothing while he was being dragged away from the microphone"

Bowa, did you actually watch the video? Kerry was telling the cops "whoa,whoa, let me answer his question."

Maybe he should have jumped off the stage and punched the she-cop? I expect these cops were the same ones who were barring blacks from voting in Florida in 2000.

Forget everything else: the story is just funny.

Posted by rightisright

No, you have to see that some here insist this was a conspiracy (isn't that special?). When "skull and bones" was mentioned then it was "over the line" and that was when he needed to be detained. LOL

If he had never said that he would have been dragged off anyway.

this is the gas on the fire.

just curious what people think kerry should have done?

Some variation on this: "The young man asked a good question. Would you please let him stay long enough to hear my answer?"

Kerry's been in public life nearly four decades. He's encountered hecklers and disruptions and microphone hogs before. It would've been nice to see the senator take command of the situation and attempt to defuse it. The cops embarrassed him and the University of Florida, so he had a stake in not letting it spin out of control like that.

Knowing Kerry, he didn't have a problem with it. The kid was asking him some tough questions that he was unable to answer.

ONe thing for certain, Faux News is going to have fun with this. Oh, they'll edit out what the kid says to Kerry but they will edit it to make it appear Kerry was aware of the tasering. Somehow they will make him look worse than the basic incident does. And then, the same righties will be on here the next day still whining about the "librul media."

I can guarantee at this point that this video will be played nonstop on cable news in a few days. Mostly because the "liberal media" will be able to bash Kerry.

I'd bet that this is a good prediction.

"You can hear the electricity discharging -- the cracking and popping sound -- as he's being tasered."

Posted by Bowa

"There! See it! That red dot, just before the plane hits the tower. That's a missle being fired from the plane."

Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Knowing Kerry, he didn't have a problem with it. The kid was asking him some tough questions that he was unable to answer.

ding ding ding we have a winner.

Bowa, did you actually watch the video? Kerry was telling the cops "whoa,whoa, let me answer his question." --NG3

I watched two of the videos, and didn't catch that. (Not saying it wasn't there.)

fair enough but the cops went from 0 to 60 in 5 seconds, he would have been putting himself between the cops and the protester at that point, should he have probably, but the form would have been important and not sure what he could have done.

"There! See it! That red dot, just before the plane hits the tower. That's a missle being fired from the plane."

Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Posted by Hans

I love you Hans. That is the funniest thing I've read in a while.

FIRST OF ALL RCADE, thank you for posting this story as a major headline. It is major. I sat in a small room with General Westmoreland after hearing a speech he gave at our college. The lying POS was a farce. I girl that was in attendance in this small after meeting dove at him trying to choke him....she was simply removed. Shit hit the fan and Westmoreland looked like a scared rabbit as we all went a bit crazy about his shit. Vietnamese are less then human and all that crap........

I know people who know kids that got shot dead at Kent State and others who were in the tear gas shot off at the same time at Ohio University in Athens.

This was a college campus.....Kerry IS and always has been a loser (like most of our career politicians on the left and right)....some of you are just now waking up. Courageous people built this nation....they are mostly gone. I'm surprised some students didn't get up and intercede while this kid was being tasered.....

This kid may have a big career ahead of him. He asked questions that the MSM doesn't have the balls to ask. The "police" in this situation are inept and should be ashamed. PLUS, I predict the kid will BE A HERO ON CAMPUS FOR WAKING UP THE CROWD THAT KERRY HAD PROBABLY PUT TO SLEEP ANYWAY.

AN AMERICAN you are a total dumbass. The police had him surrounded. They could have more reasonably subdued him. You are a tool to stupidity. Fuck you ANAMERICAN....and change your name...you are a disgrace to that name. BBOB, you show how stupid you really are as well....no surprise in that.

No, you have to see that some here insist this was a conspiracy (isn't that special?). When "skull and bones" was mentioned then it was "over the line" and that was when he needed to be detained. LOL
* * * *

Right. And that's one of the things that makes it funny. It would be enough on its own merits, but the fact that the very timing of the question brought out the Nazi equivocators, the police-state pants pissers, and an avalanche of links from Hans--it's better than HBO. And I really love HBO.

But this was inside a building located on a University Campus full of young people.

Oh give me an effing break Eberly, they're all adults.

Those 'young people' are the exact same age as our soldiers fighting in Iraq.

So 18 is old enough to have your legs blown off by an IED, but their innocent ears will bleed if they hear Kerry being dressed down?

Who's supporting the nanny state now?

You can hear the electricity discharging -- the cracking and popping sound -- as he's being tasered."

Posted by Bowa

"There! See it! That red dot, just before the plane hits the tower. That's a missle being fired from the plane."

Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Posted by Hans


the woman cops says (paraphrasing) stop or we'll use it again.

How many times have you had your ass kicked?

Posted by eberly at 2007-09-17 09:43 PM | Reply


How many times have you been arrested?

Speaking of tazing, I would love to see that Reverend that sends his congregation to protest at funerals take a jolt or two.

Bowa- yeah they kidnapped him. He was arrested in 98 in NYC, though.

Ride_ON- I'm surprised some students didn't get up and intercede while this kid was being tasered.....

I'm not. Most people are really scared of the cops nowadays. Got mad at first, but I can understand their cowardice. Wouldn't be my choice, but...

Bowa - thanks for checking. It appears the police already screwed the pooch on this guy. Looks like he was arrested anyway. Wonder when they finally read him his rights?

btw this kid is gonna get some serious college poontang!

just curious what people think kerry should have done?

As soon as the cops laid a hand on the kid at the mike he should have said very loudly ""Hey, leave him alone, he was asking me a question and I want to answer it". and he shouldn't have stopped yelling at the cops to leave him alone until they did.

Alexandrite, no crap it is an issue without a party. Hence I agreed with Hans. But none of his links talked about using tasers, just brute physical force and some ended up in injuries. Guess that allows you to take the village idiot title from the shrub.
The whole freakin point is that Dems espouse themselves to be the party of anti-censorship and their constituents swallow it like kool-aid. No one believes such crap coming from a Repub. But it will be a damn miracle if this gets anywhere on cable besides Fox. CNN defintely won't run it because the kid isn't a US service man/woman getting a round through his/her head.

Kerry,

Did the right thing. After the event his actions will tell about the man.

Does he go to the station to protect the kid?

Bowa, Kerry was the scared little kid in this case. He has ZERO balls!!!!! ZERO. Plus, he's a stupid idiot. Kind of like DanniDrivel(TM)....(see her stupid comments in this thread for confirmation).

No, but Kerry will release a completely different version of the events explaining what he meant to do.

I think the Campus Police will be donating some funds to further this kids college career. The campus and other places too ought to think about hiring a higher caliber of person who can difuse a situation instead of inflame it. This could easily have been handled differently by someone with half a brain. Those rent a cops probably earn about $10 per hour. Now the campus's cheap wages will come back to haunt them.

Oh give me an effing break Eberly, they're all adults.

Those 'young people' are the exact same age as our soldiers fighting in Iraq.

So 18 is old enough to have your legs blown off by an IED, but their innocent ears will bleed if they hear Kerry being dressed down?

Who's supporting the nanny state now?


Posted by Norm

Oh Norm Norm Norm. I wasn't referring to that. I was pointing out that you can't expect very much room to be given to a college student on their question. He starts out by insulting Kerry (I have no problem with that) and then lectures him on a book he should read (again, no problem) but what do you expect the rules are for kids like that who get to ask Senators questions?

I would have LOVED to hear Kerry's answer to any of those questions. Fortunately for Kerry, the kid couldn't control himself for 1 minute to get an answer.

You see, first impressions count for a lot.

Danni says "ONe thing for certain, Faux News is going to have fun with this. Oh, they'll edit out what the kid says to Kerry but they will edit it to make it appear Kerry was aware of the tasering. Somehow they will make him look worse than the basic incident does. And then, the same righties will be on here the next day still whining about the "librul media."

So Danni, what the "kids says" is worthy of a taser? Somehow I bet you would feel differently if this were a Bush rally? What is there to edit? The guy asked a question and he was tasered. I don't agree w/ it whether it were Bush, Kerry, or anyone! But, you managed to put "faux news" in so go team! goose stepper!

compare what hte school is saying to the video

"He apparently asked several questions - he went on for quite awhile - then he was asked to stop," university spokesman Steve Orlando said. "He had used his allotted time. His microphone was cut off then he became upset."

While as many as four police officers tried to remove Meyer from the forum, he yelled for help and asked "What did I do?" Minutes after Meyer started speaking, he was Tasered.


who you going to believe me or your lying eyes.

Danni says....."John Kerry didn't have a clue what to do and that is his problem but he doesn't look real "presidential" in this video"

Now that's funny stuff....and ya'll wonder why people voted for Bush.

Kerry will be on the cable news tomorrow or the next day, and then a solid week thereafter.

Don't bet on it. Both CNN and FOX are in OJ mode. Juice TV is back on the air.

""Bowa, Kerry was the scared little kid in this case. He has ZERO balls!!!!!""

Oh yeah, and what would Rudy or Mitt have done in his place. Do you guys really ever think about what you post or just type the first idea that pops into your empty heads???
I'm sure RideOn would have just jumped right in and protected this kid or, more likely, started kicking him in the head with his jack boots. That's what cowards usually do.

BTW Steve ORLANDO works for the UofFLorida/

too orwellian

Hans

I never said there was a red dot. I do say there was a flash.

I never said the flash was the missile being fired from the plane. I do say the flash was the exhaust of the missile.

What do you say it was? The most favorable theories are---sunlight reflected in shadow, and smog being compressed to the ignition points by the air in front of the aircraft.

So here are the choices so far, and we'll add yours to the list if you have a better idea.

1. Missile exhaust.

2. Sunlight reflected in shade.

3.Smog compressed to the ignition point by the air in front of the plane.

4. Hans's solution______________________ ______.

Or anyone else who has this knowledge can fill in the blank.

How many times have you been arrested?

Posted by Buffalo_Bob

once. Jaywalking. No shit. What is your point?

Eberly covers "Oh Norm Norm Norm. I wasn't referring to that. I was pointing out that you can't expect very much room to be given to a college student on their question. He starts out by insulting Kerry (I have no problem with that) and then lectures him on a book he should read (again, no problem) but what do you expect the rules are for kids like that who get to ask Senators questions?"

Whats wrong goose stepper does your brown shirt fit too tightly? You make all kinds of excuses for the kid being tasered but yet you don't agree w/ it. Yeah right. What would anyone expect for speaking out other than being shocked by the police for speaking out. You guys are pathetic! I mean er uh he asked a question as Danni or dumbguy would say.

Bowa - thanks for checking. It appears the police already screwed the pooch on this guy. Looks like he was arrested anyway.


From the googling I did, If it is all the same Alex jones, it appears that he is a filmaker and a very active protester whose been arrested a number of times at different events -- he is also active in the 9/11 conspiracy movement.

Wonder when they finally read him his rights?

I don't think they did. From the article it sounds like they just drove him around and let him go -- though in Jones' words he was kidnapped for a 1/2 hr and thrown to the side of the road. Either way, the texas police had no right to violate Jones rights and remove him from the Bush event for just asking a question.

One thing I am surprised at though, given how stupid liberals think Bush is, I am surprised In all my googling I didn't find one person suggest that the reason Jones was forcibly removed from the event was because Bush didn't even know what the "Federal reserve" was and certainly was too dumb to answer a question about it. :-)

""Now that's funny stuff....and ya'll wonder why people voted for Bush.""

That's true but 1,000,000 Iraqis didn't die because Kerry didn't quite know what to do. 3700 Americans aren't dead either. And...like Bush is such a macho man, I'm sure he would have just jumped right into the fray.
You guys make me laugh. At you, not with you.

Dalton, for DanniDrivel(TM) it's all very simple. What the kid did will end up on Fox news and other places. Danni's beloved party (and her blinders to all that is sacred to her) gets offended. So, this kid HAD to be tasered. In fact, he will in all likelihood be added to Danni's list of those she HOPES will die (and die by a very painful death). That is the world as seen through the eyes of DanniDrivel(TM).

oh dear, Bob.

Do you guys really ever think about what you post or just type the first idea that pops into your empty heads???

Danni, seriously, you are guilty of this more than anyone on the DR.

John Kerry didn't have a clue what to do and that is his problem but he doesn't look real "presidential" in this video"

Now that's funny stuff....and ya'll wonder why people voted for Bush.

Posted by Incubus_Con at 2007-09-17 10:34 PM


Kerry is still a better man than Bush. Michael Vick has more integrity than Bush and would have been a better choice for President than the chimp we have now. If Vick could run against Bush now---I think Vick would be the favorite. Bush would hold up pics of mutilated dogs---Vick would hold up pics of mutilated people.

More Nazi references! This is great!! How many are we up to now?

This kids name is Meyer, after all--and I'll give you a couple of guesses as to his heritage. Maybe that's it! They were all anti-Semites! And John Kerry just stood there, watching, just like a good pacified citizen should, just as they did a generation ago as millions of law-abiding Germans packed off their Jewish neighbors and friends onto Eastbound trains.

Keeps getting better. I'll be back again, when more ironies occur to me.

Vick would get the pussy vote.


cat that is.

That last line is the best work I've ever seen you produce BBob.

but what do you expect the rules are for kids like that who get to ask Senators questions?

Why should there be rules on speaking to a Senator?
Are our public servants such pansies that they can't take a grilling?

And for loving to hear Kerry's answers, then you should be attacking the cops for arresting the kid after he'd finished and Kerry was begining to answer.

Hans

I never said there was a red dot. I do say there was a flash.

I never said the flash was the missile being fired from the plane. I do say the flash was the exhaust of the missile.

What do you say it was? The most favorable theories are---sunlight reflected in shadow, and smog being compressed to the ignition points by the air in front of the aircraft.


So here are the choices so far, and we'll add yours to the list if you have a better idea.


1. Missile exhaust.


2. Sunlight reflected in shade.


3.Smog compressed to the ignition point by the air in front of the plane.


4. Hans's solution______________________ ______.


Or anyone else who has this knowledge can fill in the blank.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob

I love you Hans.

Keeps getting better. I'll be back again, when more ironies occur to me.

Posted by rightisright



more likely after rush tells you what to thimk

Eberly seriously, I'm crushed because I so valued your opinion of me.

Kerry is still a better man than Bush

But he still came in second place to an idiot.

once. Jaywalking. No shit. What is your point?

Posted by eberly at 2007-09-17 10:37 PM | Reply


The same point as you asking if he'd ever had his ass kicked. You think cops don't do exactly as he said in his post?

"That's true but 1,000,000 Iraqis didn't die because Kerry didn't quite know what to do. 3700 Americans aren't dead either."

No, they died because 50,000,000 cowards in the US won't let the military fight. Funny how a red haired simpleton could figure it out during the Civil War but millions of college educated geniuses cannot even begin to comprehend.

That's true but 1,000,000 Iraqis didn't die because Kerry didn't quite know what to do. 3700 Americans aren't dead either. And...like Bush is such a macho man, I'm sure he would have just jumped right into the fray.
You guys make me laugh. At you, not with you.

Posted by danni at 2007-09-17 10:38 PM


What do you suppose the numbers would have been if jon jon were in charge? One can only speculate, right?

So I stand by my post.

Danni says....."John Kerry didn't have a clue what to do and that is his problem but he doesn't look real "presidential" in this video"

Now that's funny stuff....and ya'll wonder why people voted for Bush.

I love you Hans.

Posted by eberly at 2007-09-17 10:43 PM


There is nothing wrong with loving another man. Got an answer? Let me ask again, and you can continue your seduction of Hans.


Hans

I never said there was a red dot. I do say there was a flash.

I never said the flash was the missile being fired from the plane. I do say the flash was the exhaust of the missile.

What do you say it was? The most favorable theories are---sunlight reflected in shadow, and smog being compressed to the ignition points by the air in front of the aircraft.


So here are the choices so far, and we'll add yours to the list if you have a better idea.


1. Missile exhaust.


2. Sunlight reflected in shade.


3.Smog compressed to the ignition point by the air in front of the plane.


4. Hans's solution______________________ ______.


Or anyone else who has this knowledge can fill in the blank.

Speaking of tazing, I would love to see that Reverend that sends his congregation to protest at funerals take a jolt or two.

Posted by anamerican at 2007-09-17 10:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

He's dead. It's his nutcase wife that now runs the show. She's a self proclaimed evangelist that protests the soldiers funeral not because she's sad that they died, but because she hates them (her words).

She was on the radio about two weeks ago singing a song that praises jesus for each ied that maims a soldier.

Her latest website is www.godhatesireland.com because she feel Irash are all pedophiles due to the church scandal. The last time I checked, there were a shitload of catholics in Italy (Vatican) and South America as well. Just proof that she is off her rokcer.

Why should there be rules on speaking to a Senator?
Are our public servants such pansies that they can't take a grilling?

WTF do you really want to know? I didn't write the rules.

It wasn't my idea that a 4oz bottle of shampoo isn't allowed on a carry-on either because it's more than 3 oz. However, if someone throws a fit over it then expect to be gang tackled and perhaps tasered.

Yes, all stupid and pointless. I'm not giving the cops a pass for anything.

Good grief, did all of you guys flunk English?

Eberly seriously, I'm crushed because I so valued your opinion of me.

Posted by danni at 2007-09-17 10:44 PM

That is as weak of a response that is possible. Just admit, Eberly is calling you out on your famous DanniDrivel(TM)....because that drivel is so blatantly obvious to most of us.

"Danni, seriously, you are guilty of this more than anyone on the DR."
Hold on Eberly...i was done messin with you and you threw that out there...at this point im not sure at all where you stand on this subject but i am sure that your statements and consequent backing up and reexplaining these statements have shown you to be the most reflex driven poster on this thread anyway.
I'm a vegetarian. I like A1 sauce on my steaks.

Now it's a missle that brought down the WTC? I thought it was rigged explosives.

Gotta do a better job keeping up with the conspiracy du jour.

Uh huh. That's just what I do. Except in this case, I try to imagine . . . . hmmmm, if I could get Rush on my XM radio, and if for some reason I was listening to him instead of Bloomberg or CNBC, and if I could transcribe just exactly what he was saying, even though it's 9:45 at night--what would that be?

Haven't listened to Rush since the first Clinton Administration. And I've not watched Fox News since the 2004 election. But it staggers the imagination how many liberals do. You guys are their biggest demographic, if the threads on the DR are anything to go by. Godalmighty--who would've known Murdoch had so many liberal viewers? and that the WSJ had so many liberals ready to cancel their subscriptions?

Funny.

John Kerry didn't have a clue what to do and that is his problem but he doesn't look real "presidential" in this video"
Incubus_Con

And I stand by my post


Now that's funny stuff....and ya'll wonder why people voted for Bush.

Posted by Incubus_Con at 2007-09-17 10:34 PM


Kerry is still a better man than Bush. Michael Vick has more integrity than Bush and would have been a better choice for President than the chimp we have now. If Vick could run against Bush now---I think Vick would be the favorite. Bush would hold up pics of mutilated dogs---Vick would hold up pics of mutilated people.

Eberly seriously, I'm crushed because I so valued your opinion of me.

Posted by danni

Danni, I don't know if you are kidding or not. I didn't mean it to be an insult. (or at least not a really bad one). I consider you to be one the best 5 libs here. However, you do change subjects and write responses that don't address the point being made.

But Goatman, BuffaloBobShit has been holding out on us all. The other day he posted that Bush and Cheney were under orders to let the 911 WTC attack occur. There orders also forbid Bush and Cheney from stating who gave them their orders to keep quiet. BobShit knows who gave Bush and Cheney those orders....but, he hasn't shared it with all of us on the DR yet. I think he's negotiating with RCADE for a payoff........

It is really sickening, isn't it? As much as I think you spin and distort on certain subjects (Obama, Rudy) I'm glad you "get it" here.

Alex, I think the same thing about about everyone here that they "spin" and "distort" certain subjects but I figure it is a given because "spin" and "distort' is just another way to say we come here with our own perspectives, prejudices, experiences and worldview -- and all our posts are shaped by that.

But the one thing I appreciate the most is how honest, open and passionate most people are about their view of the world and willingness to share it -- which is why all of us should be able to 'get it" about this incident in which a student full of passion and interest in the world around him, is shut down, dragged to the ground by police, tasered all while his fellow americans and a US Senator just watch and do nothing.

You think cops don't do exactly as he said in his post?

Posted by Buffalo_Bob

bob, I personally KNOW cops who have done that. Not my point.

go back to conspiracies.

I don't quite sabe the big deal here.

Some hard-left fuck who was just ignorant enough to be truly sincere asked a dumb-ass question premised on hard-left fuck assumptions.

But he asked it to a made-for-tv, sanitized hard-left fuck.

Then the cops beat him down.

I liken this to the little inter-ideological tiff twixt Stalin and Trotsky: who the fuck cares?

At the end of the day, some little snot-nosed, conspiratorial left wing fuck got tasered for challenging the status quo exhibited by the equally despicable incarnation of his Vanguard elite----and ultimately embarassed his Komrade.

I dunno.

It makes my head hurt.

Maybe there's a corporation to blame somewhere.

How many times are you going to cut and paste the same post, Buffy?

Was the guy really tasered, I wonder? Yes, we hear him scream, "don't taze me", but was he? seconds after he was supposedly tasered he is up and walkkng and talking. Based on videos I've seen people who get tasered are incapiciated for several minutes.

You can actually see the light from the taser.

John Kerry didn't have a clue what to do and that is his problem but he doesn't look real "presidential" in this video" ...

Senator or not, once the cops take over he has to step back and shut up or else he is considered -- like any other citizen -- to be interferring with the police. Once the police took over it's out of his hands at that point.

bob, I personally KNOW cops who have done that. Not my point.

go back to conspiracies.

Posted by eberly at 2007-09-17 10:54 PM


What was your point in asking if he' ever had his ass kicked?

Dannie spews..."That's true but 1,000,000 Iraqis didn't die because Kerry didn't quite know what to do. 3700 Americans aren't dead either. And...like Bush is such a macho man, I'm sure he would have just jumped right into the fray.
You guys make me laugh. At you, not with you"

Danni you are the biggest goosestepper next to bob. If Kerry can not stand up for this kid asking a question, what makes you think he could stand a chance against the blood suckers? You guys are so pathetic that even boyduh has stopped defending the actions in this blatant breach of free speach? One last final word before bed. The people defending these action's are the mos pathetic partisan simpleton's I have ever even imagined much less heard of.

what were the cops supposed to do? Just stand around and let him get all uppity with the microphone? ? Are you fucking crazy?

Cops were justified in tasering this kid, he should be fined and imprisoned.

That's what you get for mentioning "Skull and bones"...

I remember when America used to be a "free-speech zone"...

Ah... The good ole' days...

Dannie spews..."That's true but 1,000,000 Iraqis didn't die because Kerry didn't quite know what to do. 3700 Americans aren't dead either. And...like Bush is such a macho man, I'm sure he would have just jumped right into the fray.
You guys make me laugh. At you, not with you"

Danni you are the biggest goosestepper next to bob. If Kerry can not stand up for this kid asking a question, what makes you think he could stand a chance against the blood suckers? You guys are so pathetic that even boyduh has stopped defending the actions in this blatant breach of free speach? One last final word before bed. The people defending these action's are the most pathetic partisan simpleton's I have ever even imagined much less heard of.

What really upsets Kerry tonight is he can't put in for another purple heart.

Dannie spews..."That's true but 1,000,000 Iraqis didn't die because Kerry didn't quite know what to do. 3700 Americans aren't dead either. And...like Bush is such a macho man, I'm sure he would have just jumped right into the fray.
You guys make me laugh. At you, not with you"

Danni you are the biggest goosestepper next to bob. If Kerry can not stand up for this kid asking a question, what makes you think he could stand a chance against the blood suckers? You guys are so pathetic that even boyduh has stopped defending the actions in this blatant breach of free speach? One last final word before bed. The people defending these action's are the most pathetic partisan simpleton's I have ever even heard of much less imagined!

"The policeman isn't there to create disorder, the policeman is there to preserve disorder."

Richard J. Daley

It makes my head hurt.

Nice to know something positive came from this.

I love you Hans.

Posted by eberly at 2007-09-17 10:43 PM

geeeze, get a room

Mao,

LOL!!!!

Could have used less foul but kept it equally funny!

"" If Kerry can not stand up for this kid asking a question, what makes you think he could stand a chance against the blood suckers?""

1. He's already seen combat in war.
2. Interfering with the police while they are trying to remove someone isn't normally considered part of the job of a Senator.
3. None of your political heros would have done anything different and you are an asshole if you can't admit that.
4. Blood suckers??? Don't you think that is sort of juvenile???

Dalton

Check out the post at 8:40, then STFU.

INC, Kerry was going to have his staff put him in for another purple heart....then the video aired....blew his plan....... Doggone, Kerry got swiftboated again....this time by the video proof.

CalifChris, Kerry should have acted like a statesman and asked the campus fuzz to leave the kid and the democratic process alone. But statesmanship isn't something that money can buy.

A double post, Ok.
A triple for Dalton, that's pretty sad.

Could have used less foul but kept it equally funny!

Point taken, Flanders.

Briwo, did you read Murtha's statement today that the nation can't concentrate on getting out of Iraq because of the elections. You can see where your politicians priorities lie, can't you?

Posted by anamerican at 2007-09-17 10:04 PM


AnalAmerican: Can you please explain how Murtha is my politician?

And no I haven't seen or read it yet, nor do I know in what context it was said.

The people defending these action's are the most pathetic partisan simpleton's I have ever even heard of much less imagined!

Like Eberly?

Mao,

Your on fire tonight!!! LOL!!! In just two posts.

that's pretty sad.

Posted by danni at 2007-09-17 11:02 PM

No DanniDrivel(TM), you are sad...which is being confirmed by most people that have posted on this thread.

I'm actually siding with the cops on this one. The guy was hogging the mike and wouldn't leave even when asked. Was pretty much being removed from the mike.

Then he tried to showboat and did resist. Then more dramatization for the camera.

Cops were justified in tasering this kid, he should be fined and imprisoned.

Posted by Audrey_Hepburn

I guess nobody's taking the bait audrey.

. None of your political heros would have done anything different and you are an asshole if you can't admit that.

You've speculated on this many times already, Danni. Can you stick to facts, please? When it happens, then cite it.

Point taken, Flanders.

Fuck you, you fuckin fuck fuckin liberal fuckin shit ass fucking demopiss fuck.

Mao

That's because we know Audrey is the representative of sarcasm.

Maybe you could just say that the cops shouldn't have tased him, pinche. Politics, and your hatred for the left aren't a solution to every equation in life.

Is anyone here willing to tell me that 4-5 cops that already had a 150 lbs(if that) college kid on the floor couldn't drag him out without using a taser? Bullshit. This was brutality.

Like Eberly?

Posted by Cooper

What have I defended?

Here is the shaky video (probably taken by a student) that makes the guy seem much more aggressive than the other video I saw.


this video makes the whole incident seem even more outrageous and horrible.

the Kid did nothing wrong, he said he was going to preface his questions because kerry had "two hours" and he should be able to have "two minutes' to frame his questions. Kerry agreed

You can see the cops discussing with each other almost from the moment the kid opened his mouth when they were going to take him down.

And then they did. dragging him to the back of the auditorium while the audience cheered.

And then while the kid is being held down screaming, Kerry actually is joking aboout it saying that it is too bad the kid "can't be up here to swear me in as president". Unbelievable.

And, more then in the other video, you can here the kid being tasered and screaming while finally some audience members start to say "police brutality' and "Rodney King".

I'm sick to my stomach -- it gets me so mad that this could happen. It's just terrible. terrible.

. . . then STFU.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2007-09-17 11:00 PM |


Does anyone else see the irony here? Buffy telling someone to STFU on a thread that is about a student being robbed of his right to free speech. Good one, Boob!

You've speculated on this many times already, Danni. Can you stick to facts, please? When it happens, then cite it.

Now this is a laugh.

As if a billy club of facts could get through the billygoat.

Kerry is still a better man than Bush

But he still came in second place to an idiot.

Posted by goatman at 2007-09-17 10:44 PM |

Thanks to the Diebold paperless trail e-voting machines.

A triple for Dalton, that's pretty sad.

Posted by danni at 2007-09-17 11:02 PM |


Yes, Danni, it truly is scandalous, isn't it?

Goatman, that's why we call him BuffaloBobShit(TM)...

I'm sick to my stomach -- it gets me so mad that this could happen. It's just terrible. terrible.


Posted by Bowa


Is it possible that you are fucking us? If so then it is brilliant.

Moneywar-
You're missing the "cops beat him down" part, about which Pinche Mao could care less as it was a "hard-left fuck" who was "beat down" and the whole episode was embarrassing to another "hard-left fuck".

Bowa, did you actually watch the video? Kerry was telling the cops "whoa,whoa, let me answer his question." --NG3

I watched two of the videos, and didn't catch that. (Not saying it wasn't there.)

Posted by Phoenix at 2007-09-17 10:23 PM |

He did say it just as they were starting to drag him away from the mike.
You might have missed it because it was so halfhearted and lame.

Bowa- the only difference here is...we got to see it on a camera. This sort of thing happens too often. It seems that some police enjoy escalating a situation just so they can kick someone ass.

"fucking WITH us"

wow, that was bad.

Then more dramatization for the camera.

I have to admit the melodramatic touch of "don't kill me" and "isn't someone coming with me so I don't get killed" was nice, too. He had to know the cameras were rolling big time by the time it got to this point.

Moneywar-
BTW, anyone who would refer to John Kerry as a "hard-left fuck" and compare him to Stalin and/or Trotsky is a freakin' idiot.

Thanks to the Diebold paperless trail e-voting machines.

Underscores what I said yesterday when Cooper came down on me for bringing up Clinton: It's not OK to talk about Clinton's historical indiscretions, but it is OK to keep bringing up "stolen" elections. I know a double standard when I see one.

Coop- Anyone who would watch this video and try to make it partisan is a "freakin' idiot"

Bowa gets it. So does most everyone else without an agenda here.

Police are supposed to taser instead of using lethal force. Can anyone here tell me that this little scrawny kid, that was already immobilized, needed to be tasered so they wouldn't have to put a 9mm in his head? What a crock, the security could have started a riot this way, they're lucky it didn't happen that way.(maybe kerrys voice bored everyone into submission)

I hope the student sues and wins.

It is hard to tell, but I thought I heard Kerry saying something along the lines of "I'll answer the question, it is an important one..." Probably was a bit annoyed at the kid in truth but knew it was being filmed and it would be bad PR if the situation escalated. Seems to me like he wasn't condoning the kid being dragged off. Not sure what else he could have done. If the kid was violating some kind of university policy, it probably wasn't up to him whether the kid was allowed to stay or not. I couldn't picture any national political figure intervening physically on the kid's behalf, if at all. Certainly, the "loyalty oath" crew would have gone on to the next question and pretended it wasn't happening. So I'm not sure how the claims that this reflects on Kerry are valid.

As for what the cops/security/whatever the hell they are did to the kid, it sounded like someone used a stun gun on him. A stun gun uses direct contact, while a tazer fires darts at a distance. The voltages vary on these devices so it is impossible to tell just how much a jolt he received and how long he should have been incapacitated if they in fact did stun him. From what I've seen on TV, you can be hit by a stun gun and move around pretty well as soon as the application is over. Why one of these cops thought the situation warranted the use of such a device is a mystery. Dude was on the ground with five people on top of him. Seemed he posed no threat to anyone, was about to be cuffed and dragged out anyway. For some reason, some cops seem to think they can use devices like this to punish people for making their jobs difficult. It was really only one idiot who decided to use unnecessary force.

Bowa- the only difference here is...we got to see it on a camera. This sort of thing happens too often. It seems that some police enjoy escalating a situation just so they can kick someone ass.

Guess I've lived a sheltered existence then -- it is not often (uhh how about never) that I see 5 cops drag someone to the ground and taser him for just asking a question.

""You've speculated on this many times already, Danni. Can you stick to facts, please? When it happens, then cite it.""

I think the law of averages says I'm pretty safe in my comment Goat. Which of the Rethugs would have come to the kids aid???
When we're in a court of law then you can say "stick to the facts" but in a thread like this it is just bull shit. This will be used as fun game to bash Kerry by the right, he isn't running for president, so really it will be pretty irrelevant but might take the attention off of Blackwater, Greenspan, etc.
Actually, the right wing probably needs a little break from embarrassment so have fun.

Bowa- Check the link I dropped twice in this thread already. You piss a cop off, you're done for the day.

Coop- Anyone who would watch this video and try to make it partisan is a "freakin' idiot"

Actually, people who can't read and then assign positions to others that don't exist are the "freakin idiots". they are the reason why this thread has exploded for no reason.

KERRY: "That's alright, let me answer his question."

Go to my link at 10:50 p.m. and you will hear Kerry say that right after the guy asks Kerry if he is a member of Skull & Bones. Right after that the guy starts to pull his arm away from the cops and then everything went downhill from there.

In the interest of full disclosure, I think John Kerry is a piece of shit.

His military "career" was self-scripted for the sole purpose of evoking it in order to give him some semblance of credibility as he later imposed his shitty liberal politics on the United States.

He's a sorry human being---and an even sorrier American.

That said, the dude was just giving a speech. Crowd control wasn't his job. Had he interfered and said something like, "Let the brotha speak...", he'd be slammed for telling professional law enforcement how to do their jobs.

What happened here isn't a reflection on Kerry.

""Underscores what I said yesterday when Cooper came down on me for bringing up Clinton: It's not OK to talk about Clinton's historical indiscretions, but it is OK to keep bringing up "stolen" elections. I know a double standard when I see one.""

Bring up whatever you want and if you want to equate stolen elections to blow jobs that's your business.

I think the law of averages says I'm pretty safe in my comment Goat. Which of the Rethugs would have come to the kids aid???
When we're in a court of law then you can say "stick to the facts" but in a thread like this it is just bull shit. This will be used as fun game to bash Kerry by the right, he isn't running for president, so really it will be pretty irrelevant but might take the attention off of Blackwater, Greenspan, etc.
Actually, the right wing probably needs a little break from embarrassment so have fun.

Posted by danni at 2007-09-17 11:20 PM

More proof that DanniDrivel(TM) is the drivel that just keeps on giving and giving and giving........

2:43 on Chris's youtube video:

"Let me go and I'll walk out of here".

He had his hands up at multiple points, all he was trying to do was get out of there without being arrested for committing no crime. He wasn't refusing to leave, he was refusing to have the cuffs put on him.

Because as Jose Padilla's case proves, once the cuffs are on you, they can put you in a hole for several years.

I don't blame the guy one bit for resisting. All the cops had to do was back down, tell him he wasn't being arrested and escort him outside.

That said, the dude was just giving a speech. Crowd control wasn't his job. Had he interfered and said something like, "Let the brotha speak...", he'd be slammed for telling professional law enforcement how to do their jobs.

What happened here isn't a reflection on Kerry.

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2007-09-17 11:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Kerry is going to get slammed by SOMEONE no matter what he does, so he SHOULD have told the security to back off. Instead, he made a joke about the guy not being able to hear his answer. What a creep.

stolen elections to blow jobs that's your business

It was perjury, not blow job I brought up. Read! That wasn't the point anyway. Read!

His military "career" was self-scripted

You are a loathsome creature.

Kerry say that right after the guy asks Kerry if he is a member of Skull & Bones.

----

It's at that point I think the cops realized this guy wasn't really serious and just wanted to rant.

Not sure what else he could have done


let's face it, kerry was the guy on stage and he should have been in control. he's been a politician almost all his adult life, these kind of events should be second nature to him.

If the kid was going on too long all kerry had to do was say, "Look, I'll answer your questions but let's take them one at a time" or "we have a lot of people who want to ask questions too" or "OK, I got your first question, let me answer that"

But the point is, it was up to kerry to assert himself and cut the kid off and direct the way the question/answer period was going to moderated.

When he didn't do that, the cops, who I guess just didn't like this kid, decided to take matters into their own hands and just grab, pull him away fromthe mike, throw him to the ground, taser him and arrest him.

I hope the kid sues them for a lot of money.

I know many or all of you have witnessed a person being harrassed by the police and did absolutely nothing. Either you live the most sheltered life or you have. You know you have. Then when Kerry is there answering questions some of y'all think he should have done what you have never done. I think you make an ass of yourself when you expect others to do what you have not done yourself when you did have the chance. You can deny you have ever witnessed such a think but I can believe you are a liar.

I like the way Bowa attempts to make this thread anti-Democratic, anti Kerry, who probably couldn't even see what was going on, as opposed to being about authoritarian pig police enabled by the Bush/Cheney administration to take the law into their own hands in the interest of "Homeland Security" or some such garbage...

I like the way Bowa attempts to make this thread anti-Democratic, anti Kerry, who probably couldn't even see what was going on, as opposed to being about authoritarian pig police enabled by the Bush/Cheney administration to take the law into their own hands in the interest of "Homeland Security" or some such garbage...

Kerry say that right after the guy asks Kerry if he is a member of Skull & Bones.

----

It's at that point I think the cops realized this guy wasn't really serious and just wanted to rant.

Posted by Pirate at 2007-09-17 11:28 PM

That's right. When I looked (using full screen) at the 10:50 p.m. link I put up the guy pulled back from the cops and got more agressive plus he appeared to be rushing back up (to the mike?). Then the cops swarmed him (standard procedure) and Kerry legally could have been placed under arrest for interferring. when the guy said "and I have more questions" the game was over.

Pinche Mao-
I don't like John Kerry much, but to accuse a guy who got shot at in Vietnam - after volunteering for service overseas - of doing it to pad his resume, while voting twice for our current douchebag-in-chief, is a little too much to bear.

It's at that point I think the cops realized this guy wasn't really serious and just wanted to rant.

It was entirely legitimate to raise the Skull & Bones issue and question Kerry's motives for conceding so early by suggesting he had a 'gentlemens agreement" with Bush because they both belonged to the "Skull & Bones" and there was an unwritten rule that they would not ever drag each other through the courts for any reason.

they are the reason why this thread has exploded for no reason.

"No reason"???

Whadda ya mean, "no reason"?

Did you see the video??!!

Wait'll the big media gets their hands on it!

This is gonna be big, BIG, I tell ya.

And I broke it!!

Yeah, that's right.

This time, the banana danced faster than the siren turned!!!!

So you just wait...

This is big.

Sincerely,

Rcade

I hope the kid sues them for a lot of money.

I guarantee he has already been approached by at least 10 ambulance chasers.

Some of you guys have a really twisted view on this. The young man was yelling and screaming multiple questions, not allowing the Senator to answer any of them. Then he starts using foul language (and yes blow job is considered foul language). When the Police tried to remove him he was argumentative and resistant. All he had to do was obey the Police and he would most likely have been removed from the building. It was his decision to fight the police. The Police were well within their rights to use the taser on him. You have to remember the Police are responsible for the safety of everyone and to ensure things did not get out of hand. That is exactly what they were doing.

Even thought there were a few supporters that follwed him out, did you notice the other people cheering when the Police removed him?

This kids really needs some help and should step away from politics. It is rotting his brain.

Right Bowa - they jacked each other off in Skull and Bones and we don't want that to get out, do we?

"His military "career" was self-scripted

You are a loathsome creature."

Actually, the guy brought a camera and "re-enacted" battle scenes in his spare time. He used those "battle scenes" during his campaign. It is fairly obvious that he had a future political career in mind when he enlisted.

I give him credit for actually going over there, unlike some tough talkers who did everything in their power to stay away. But that was back when participating in your generation's war was considered prerequisite to a political career. When he came home and saw that things changed, he quickly went to the way and threw his fellow soldiers under the bus with tales of atrocities. The whole thing is fairly transparent.

I still find claims that he could have done something in this instance to be nonsense.

Most people on this thread were reasoned and non-partisan in their views. There WERE HOWEVER A FEW REAL PIECES OF SHIT. THANKS FOR SHOWING US ALL WHO THE FEW TRULY REPREHENSIBLE PEOPLE ON THE DR ARE. We knew it, but you've certainly confirmed it. One of you CONFIRMED FOR certain how reprehensible you are and you don't even realize it......VERY FUNNY THOUGH!!!!

People shouldn't be tasered for being loud, a little dime, and obnoxious,(not even you, pinche) it's not what the things were designed for.

This kids really needs some help and should step away from politics. It is rotting his brain.

Posted by sickoflibs

He is NOT ALONE.

So to get it on the record, most of us currently on the thread think the cops were way out of line and Kerry was a pussy.

Defending the cops are:

AnalAmerican
CaliChris
SickofLibs

Feel free to update this list as the situation warrants.

It's not OK to talk about Clinton's historical indiscretions, but it is OK to keep bringing up "stolen" elections. I know a double standard when I see one.

Posted by goatman at 2007-09-17 11:17 PM |

It's hardly "past history" to bring up the fact of a stolen election when the man who stole it is currently STILL in office (illegally).

Let Clinton and his BJ rest in peace. I hope it was worth it for him considering all the hassle the far right has given Clinton about it for the last 10 YEARS!.

Can't you deal with current history -- say the LAST SIX YEARS -- of the Bush regime. In case you forgot -- Clinton is no longer President and hasn't been for six years.
deflect, deflect, deflect

Ride_On- who are you talking about?(please don't say danni, you ride_on her butt enough, guy.)

: )

I'm not convinced one way or the other as to what the cheers were about. I've watched different videos of the event, and at first I thought it was "against" the kid, then I watched a different one and thought it was agreement with the question and for being bold.

I'd assume Kerry speaking wouldn't get a lot of Republican attendence so the cheering against the kid seems odd.

and Eberly

and BRIWO

but to accuse a guy who got shot at in Vietnam - after volunteering for service overseas - of doing it to pad his resume, while voting twice for our current douchebag-in-chief, is a little too much to bear.

To pretend that a guy who volunteered to drive boats overseas with his trusty 8mm camera for "pure and noble" reasons, then quit and promptly proceeded to slander his comrades as he eyed political office as a leftist shill---is also a little too much to bear.

P.S.-- You don't "like" Kerry because he lost the election, Boyd.

I'm having a difficult time finding the "leftists" on this blog who support this guy being forcibly removed, but there do seem to be quite a few "conservatives" holding that position.

Clinton is no longer President and hasn't been for six years.

Isn't it a bit naive not to connect him with you-know-who? He could be the next first lady. I'd say that kind of keeps him in the news and makes his past fair game.

Really? I defended the cops?

Defending the cops are:

AnalAmerican
CaliChris
SickofLibs

Look at the video I linked. when the guy started yanking his arm away numerous times and started to go back in the cops swarmed him. I told you I was going by legal procedure. I defended Kerry's not intervening too. the law is the law. suppose they cops did nothing and the kid rushed the stage?

Wasn't you tonight Alex. Everyone may draw their own conclusions.

I'm having a difficult time finding the "leftists" on this blog who support this guy being forcibly removed, but there do seem to be quite a few "conservatives" holding that position.

Posted by Cooper,/i>

Wow, you size people up pretty fast don't you??

who are you?

To pretend that a guy who volunteered to drive boats overseas with his trusty 8mm camera for "pure and noble" reasons, then quit and promptly proceeded to slander his comrades as he eyed political office as a leftist shill---is also a little too much to bear.

Yeah, Kerry smeared his comrades by reading personal accounts that they ASKED him to read.
When will the idiocy end?

P.S.-- You don't "like" Kerry because he lost the election, Boyd.


I didn't "like" Kerry when he was first chosen as the nominee.

BTW, is Kerry Stalin or Trotsky in your little rant?

First and foremost, this is a classic f-ing thread. All of the elements are there, well, except for a lack of ProfBates, which would be like adding the star to the top of the Christmas tree.

Now, on to the cops.....


Tasering was a bit much IMO. They should've given this kid a poke in the eyes and a swift kick in the nuts instead.

Sully beat me to it.

And far more eloquently, too.

Really? I defended the cops?

Posted by briwo

Did I? I said that they were told what to do and that tasering was out of line.

I'm having a difficult time finding the "leftists" on this blog who support this guy being forcibly removed, but there do seem to be quite a few "conservatives" holding that position.

Posted by Cooper at 2007-09-17 11:42 PM

See Cooper, the true tools came out tonight and you IS one. Briwo listed specific names and you post your bullshit generalization. One that is false for this thread by the way.

Jeff-
All of the elements are there, well, except for a lack of ProfBates, which would be like adding the star to the top of the Christmas tree.

Maybe if you blew a bit harder and clapped your hands...

suppose they cops did nothing and the kid rushed the stage?

Best thing that could've happened to Kerry. He could've then legitimitely played the victim

He could be the next first lady. I'd say that kind of keeps him in the news and makes his past fair game.

Posted by goatman at 2007-09-17 11:42 PM |

Well, that should comfort the far right in knowing that there won't be any more blowjobs for them to fret over should Bill Clinton be in the White House as "first lady" -- y'all on the right can sleep well. *grin*

BTW, is Kerry Stalin or Trotsky in your little rant?

An impotent Stalin.

The cops were the ice pick.

I've been arrested several times and I realize that at a certain point cops become automatons who are immune to reason.
Whether or not this is a good thing is debatable. To a degree, I believe this is necessary to do their job, but only because they're missing something in their procedures or training so they default to arresting machines.

CalifChris - The kid was face down on the ground with five people on top of him when one jackass decided to use and electrical device on him. It didn't contribute towards the goal of removing the kid. I have no problem with the takedown. Its using an electrical device on the kid that was unnecessary. Security has no right to use unnecessary force, which is basically torture. I only blame guy who actually used the device. The other didn't necessarily agree with its use.

The story just made a cameo appearance on CNN.

CNN closing line: "Well, that's one way to get out of a Kerry speech."

To pretend that a guy who volunteered to drive boats overseas with his trusty 8mm camera for "pure and noble" reasons, then quit and promptly proceeded to slander his comrades as he eyed political office as a leftist shill---is also a little too much to bear.

'Quit'?

no. See, you "quit" the champaign unit of the Texas Nat'l Guard by just not showing up. You "quit" Vietnam by bleeding.

"as (Kerry) eyed political office as a leftist shill"

Bwahahaha! You're aware the Republicans considered recruiting him, right?

I found the video unbelievable! There are 5 police officers some of them look pretty big. They could not put this skinny kid in a pain compliance wristlock and escort him outside and cuff him without tasering him in public. OMG! How did police departments survive before tasers were invented?

Well, that should comfort the far right in knowing that there won't be any more blowjobs for them to fret over

I'm sure there were a few far right christianfacists who worried about the blow job, but most were worried about the perjury thing.

I guess if it's said enough, the historians will be fooled into thinking he got impeached for a blow job and not perjury. Why can't a Clinton defender be accurate about that event?

YAV- I said this story would make the cable news, and the rev yearwood thing never would.(and he got his ankle broken by 6 cops for less than what this student did)

Let me guess: "Liberal" CNN took it as an opportunity to bash Kerry ?

How did police departments survive before tasers were invented?

Posted by halo3 at 2007-09-17 11:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Those really big mag-lights. Ask malice green.

Cops are pigs. Many of them at least. But, truth be told, nothing is more reassuring in the middle of an emergency than seeing a black and white pulling up.

Its using an electrical device on the kid that was unnecessary. Security has no right to use unnecessary force, which is basically torture. I only blame guy who actually used the device. The other didn't necessarily agree with its use.

Posted by Sully at 2007-09-17 11:49 PM |

I agree with you there, Sully. Tazer guns can cause heart attacks and with 6 or more cops on top of him that kid wasn't going anywhere.

I'm sure there were a few far right christianfacists who worried about the blow job, but most were worried about the perjury thing.

I guess if it's said enough, the historians will be fooled into thinking he got impeached for a blow job and not perjury. Why can't a Clinton defender be accurate about that event?

Posted by goatman

So goatse man, how exactly did Bill Clinton commit perjury?

I've been arrested several times and I realize that at a certain point cops become automatons who are immune to reason.

For the record, its not a cop's job to "reason" with your sorry hippie ass.

Its his job to eliminate you from the immediate equation he faces at the given time.

The cops were over-zealous (well, at least one of them was).


That said, this kid wasn't the only person wishing to ask questions. A forum such as this almost always has some rules and guidelines.


I'd normally be a little pissed at the excessive use of force, but since this kid was clearly a sniveling little liberal fuck, I am actually very happy.


The countdown now begins for Cooper to make some 'JeffJ smokes Mao's pole' comment (a comment that was funny the first 50 times he used it).......

3 - 2 - 1.....


You're on, Coooper...

Alex,

I would bet only 4% of the people here know who Malice Green was and what big mag lites had to do with him. I worked for years at the beautiful corner of Joy and Livernois and I know people that used to bum around with Malice. They had nothing good to say about him.....but, that doesn't excuse what may have contributed to his death.

But don't ask me....

Ask Vickie Weaver.

I have to admit the melodramatic touch of "don't kill me" and "isn't someone coming with me so I don't get killed" was nice, too

That was pretty over the top, but he'd just been tasered in front of an audience of people and a U.S. senator. That's so far beyond the realm of possibility that I cut Meyer some slack. What the hell would any of us do in that position? Me, I'd probably soil my pants and assume the fetal position. But in truth, that's how I handle most crises anyway.

Let me guess: "Liberal" CNN took it as an opportunity to bash Kerry ?

Alexandrite, yep, a bit. It they mention it tomorrow morning, it'll probably be more blatant. They've really shifted the morning show (before 9AM) to the right.

Did I?

Did you defend the cops eberly?

You be the judge:

"I think the guy was a little out of control and needed to be hauled off." Posted by eberly at 2007-09-17 08:34 PM

"He was an asshole and I would have wanted him gone too.
They should have just hauled him into another room and tasered him in the balls." Posted by eberly at 2007-09-17 08:37 PM

"Actually after you watch it (the video) a couple of times it gets pretty funny" Posted by eberly at 2007-09-17 08:40 PM

"They cut his mic and dragged him off because it had become obvious that this kid was just angry and full of hate." Posted by eberly at 2007-09-17 09:01 PM

"Again, he needed to be restrained if he wouldn't just ask his question and shut up and listen." Posted by eberly at 2007-09-17 09:26 PM

"There were rules for this forum. This kid broke the rules right away." Posted by eberly at 2007-09-17 09:53 PM

Its his job to eliminate you from the immediate equation he faces at the given time.

Posted by Pinche_Mao

For the record, I come from a long line of civil servants (cops and firemen), so I think I know a little about them. They are required to use reason.

Ride_On- I used to live near Detroit, so even hidden under a rock you couldn't help but know who malice green was.

I'm sure being on cocaine and alcohol made him a sweet guy, but you're right: He didn't deserve to have his head beat in with flashlights.

Jeff- I'd normally be a little pissed at the excessive use of force, but since this kid was clearly a sniveling little liberal fuck, I am actually very happy.

So breaking the rules is OK as long as it hurts a "sniveling little fuck" whom you disagree with ideologically? Gee, I wonder why Cooper would accuse you of smoking mao's pole? It's a mystery...

See, you "quit" the champaign unit of the Texas Nat'l Guard by just not showing up. You "quit" Vietnam by bleeding.

I'm curious as to the statistical fatality rate between those who:

A) Drove patrol boats in Vietnam

and...

B) Piloted the early-era, Century-series fighter jets

Alexandrite, yep, a bit. It they mention it tomorrow morning, it'll probably be more blatant. They've really shifted the morning show (before 9AM) to the right.

Posted by YAV at 2007-09-18 12:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Wow...nobody tell WISGOD...he'll think I'm Criss Angel with the way I predicted the future AGAIN with my tea leaves.

Has it ever occured to anyone that this happened on a college campus which has rules for proper decorum during speaking engagments?? To me it appears the Security Got annoyed with the guy for asking more than one question and carrying on. True He should not have been tased but they had to get Him out of their before He started a rukus. When I went to college we were told to keep the questions to a certain topic or time frame and not to go over a certain amount of time and be respectful. I just think if the kid would have been more respectful to the speaker(John Kerry at this particular event) that there would have been no need to drag Him away. What say You??

Larry

Goatman-
re: I guess if it's said enough, the historians will be fooled into thinking he got impeached for a blow job and not perjury.

This?

You claimed I said Clinton commited perjury. Cite the post. What is so difficult about this? Allow me to answer. The difficulty is that you, like Buffalo Bob, cannot admit when you are wrong.

Posted by goatman at 2007-09-16 10:30 PM | Reply

The countdown now begins for Cooper to make some 'JeffJ smokes Mao's pole' comment (a comment that was funny the first 50 times he used it).......

3 - 2 - 1.....

You're on, Coooper...

Posted by JeffJ at 2007-09-18 12:01 AM


Wait, wait I want to get some popcorn first --

Jesus, is Goatman bringing up CLINTON again in ANOTHER fucking thread? Give it a rest, Pan.