Scumsucking traitorous liberal lying liar who lies.

- You know Who

Daniel Pearl and his severed head agree whole-heartedly.

NEVER EVER talk to your enemies!!! We never talked to the Soviets EVER or held peace talks in Vietnam or Korea either. It didn't work at staving off World War 3, or ending violence in either of the other two countries. Get real traitors!

Tear those pages out of your history books IMMEDIATELY ! They were fiction written by traitors.

We don't talk to terriers!

How is that profitable?

Al who?

Oppose. But that isn't what Obama suggested. And I think its theoretically possible at some point for representatives of the US government and AQ to talk. I suspect at some level that may have already taken place.

Lets talk with Bin Laden, I am all for sending Edwards, Clinton and Obama to go reason with Al Queda!!!

would you support or oppose direct talks between the president and the leaders of al Qaeda?

Posted by OohRah


Absolutely not!! Let's just keep going with the stuff that doesn't work like expending our military and the Iraqi civilian population and let's keep projecting the image of the dumbfucks that we have become under our big (nonsense) talking little shrub.

I'm certain that the leadership of Al Qaeda (Death to America! Death to the infidels!) would be imminently reasonable.

We should ask the French to open the discussions for us.

I'm certain that the leadership of Al Qaeda (Death to America! Death to the infidels!) would be imminently reasonable.

We should ask the French to open the discussions for us.

Posted by vernon at 2007-09-13 02:18 PM | Repl

French helped to beat the Al Q's in Algeria in 1990's. Course they weren't called AL Q just the ex Mudjahadeen that CIA had recruited to fight in afghanistan who came home.

"Terry Waite, who was held captive in Lebanon from 1987 to 1991."

Ahh yes, another one of Saint Reagans' ME success stories. How much did we pay to get this guy freed again?

Why should we talk to al queda when we can just bribe them as we're doing in Iraq? The Chinese will loan us whatever we need, at reasonable rates, and we can pretend it works in our best interest.

Daniel Pearl tried to talk to Al queda and lost his head.

I wonder if Terry Waite values his own head, which is getting a bit fuzzy by this desire to talk to al queda.

You can only negotiate with rational people. People who demand that we convert to Islam, lay claim to Spain as an Islamic land, and get their panties in a wad if we so much as set foot on "holy Islamic ground" are not rational. And then there's the whole blowing themselves and innocent strangers up at random in order to get into heaven strategy......

Fuck Al Queda. Giving them anything will only legitimize their methods. Talking to them is almost as stupid as fighting them by invading the wrong country.

We should call upon Vernon to take his calculator and go be our envoy. They'd be so fucking confused at the end of 2 one hour sessions that it would set their fatwah back by at least 50, no 500. no 12:37. Oh shit it just happened to me.

THIS JUST IN....President Bush wants to talk to Al Quaeda....studying Spannish in preparation.

Talking to them would be like talking to the aliens in the film Independence Day. There is nothing to negotiate since there is nothing they demand from us, other than that we die.

It is pretty interesting that everyone is DEAD certain what and how AQ thinks when no one has talked to them on a diplomatic level.


Does anyone think it would be helpful in reaching a solution, i.e. a truce? No way.

Would it help us better understand how they think and interpret our actions/words so we have a better chance to defeat them? ABSOLUTELY.

It is extremely important to KNOW your enemy. We have all sorts of assumptions, but really we only have our interpretations of their actions/words. We interpret these videotapes--which are likely nothing more than their own recruiting propaganda. Who knows--they could only be using religion as their means to recruit soldiers to wage their war against the west. Or they could truely be religious fanatics. The more information/contact we have with them, the better we will understand them and their goals. It is probably much more complicated than: "AQ are bloodthirsty islamic terrorists who want to convert or kill everyone in their path"

I can't see how talking can do much harm--nor can i understand the reluctance by many on the right to engage in discussions. Really, what do we have to lose?


The old saying is true--keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

___B___, you've proven yourself to be an idiot. If you wish to have a discussion with an irrational person, how do you expect to get a rational response? If you can't expect a rational response, why enter into talks? Al Quaeda has been very consistent in their demands over the years- convert to Islam, capitulate to Islamic rule or die. It's simple for most rational people in this country. That's not an option for 99.99% of us.

"Who knows--they could only be using religion as their means to recruit soldiers to wage their war against the west". What reason do they have to wage war against the West other than a basic hatred of Westerners? Are you going to talk them out of that hate? Why are you determined to give a group who is willing to indescriminately kill men, women and children the benefit of the doubt? If a man comes at you on the street with a knife or gun in his hand, do you wait until he stabs or shoots you before you act or do you take steps immediately to protect yourself?

THIS JUST IN....President Bush wants to talk to Al Quaeda....studying Spannish in preparation.

Posted by danni at 2007-09-13 03:14 PM | Reply

FF!

"FF"?

More like an "Irony Flag".

Like when you misspell a big, hard word like "spanish" while in the process of impugning somebody else's intellect.

"It is pretty interesting that everyone is DEAD certain what and how AQ thinks when no one has talked to them on a diplomatic level."

Al Queda is a hate group much like the KKK. Their propoganda is very similar. Do you think there is some complex thought process behind the KKK? Back in the KKK's heyday, should our federal government have negotiated with them?

Grow up.

There is nothing to negotiate since there is nothing they demand from us, other than that we die.


Get the pakis to intermediate. They had no problem talking to al queda when they were our allies in the war against the Soviet Union, who also wanted only to kill us. And the Pakis still are working wth al queda in the kasmir area,so they'll have the current cell phone numbers.
I'm sure bandar could set up a meeting next time he was delivering the saudi royals pay-offs too. so there are plenty of openings.
Maybe if we just offer the bin laden family the same no bid contracts Halliburton is getting, they'd help straighten osama out at the next family gathering. Or just threaten to cancel his allowance.

Perhaps. If the psychos see rationalists engaged in conversation, the psychos will go nuts. But you have to have an in anywhere you need intel. That has to start somewhere.

Daniel Pearl tried to talk to Al queda and lost his head.

I wonder if Terry Waite values his own head, which is getting a bit fuzzy by this desire to talk to al queda.

Next time, maybe the CIA shouldn't use a jew as a spy in pakistan?

I'm sure Terry values his own head, after all he kept it for four years while Reagan failed to do anything, except negotiate a good deal with the terrorists.

Not talking is not helping.

"Talk talk is better than War War"

Be Well.

We should ask the French to open the discussions for us.

Not necessary.

The Bush regime has been talking with Sadr, trying to woo his ass, and George dunnit all by his own unflip-floppable self!

There is nothing to negotiate since there is nothing they demand from us, other than that we die.

Posted by Redman

Now there's a good place to start negoiations.

AQ; We want your head on a platter.

Clinton; Well, I could give you President Truman's head.

AQ: No we want yours.

Clinton; Well, how bout President Regan's?

AQ: We'll take them all and yours too. Right now!

So what's to talk about?

I think we should talk to them. Here is a sample comversation:

US: "do you have any last words?.."
AQ: "Alla...ZAP!...(sorry, turned on the electric chair too soon)...

Yeah, lets have a discussion with Al Qaeda's leaders.
Can anyone name a leader of Al Qaeda?

Al Qaeda is led by Al Gebra and Al Gernon.

Larry

We could talk to Al Quaeda on the phone....and trace the call. Ah hah we would have them. Yay for America. I ought to be in the CIA.

"Talk talk is better than War War"

Why can't people just understand that? It has ALWAYS worked so well in the past....Chamberlain-Hitler, U.S.-Japan, Israel-Palestine et al. If we could just get 'em talking they wouldn't be making war plans, wouldn't be developing weapons, moving forces or any of that kind of stuff because everyone would be too busy talking...right?

I've proven myself to be an idiot? Please.

You've assumed they'll act irrational. You only know what fascade they put on for the world. You only assume they're irrational because no one can fully understand why they're acting the way they are. As we are assuming what they thinking--why not sit down, w/o cameras, without press and TALK. This is exactly why we SHOULD talk with them. Figure out what REALLY makes them tick. Determine whether they're intelligent and crazy--or just crazy. Figure out how they process our actions/words. THE MORE WE KNOW ABOUT THEM, THE BETTER CHANCE WE HAVE IN BEATING THEM. Writing them off as "crazy" and "irrational" is moronic, simplistic and ultimately naive.


You may very well be correct--they could be psycho religious nuts who will never stop trying to blow every infidel up. But that doesn't mean we cannot gain something from talking to them. I think you're missing the big picture.


Really, what is the problem with talking with them?? To me, THAT is irrational and crazy. Who would give up a chance to look your enemy right in the eye, talk to them and see whether you can figure out what really makes them tick or figure out whether our analysis thus far has been accurate.

Al Qaeda is not for everyone. Consult your physician before beginning a daily regimen of Al Qaeda. If you experience an erection for more than four hours, discontinue use of Al Qaeda and seek medical help immediately. Side effects may include, but are not limited to headache, nausea, upset stomach and blowback.

"Talk Talk is always better than War War"

Why can't people just understand that? It has ALWAYS worked so well in the past....Chamberlain-Hitler, U.S.-Japan, Israel-Palestine et al. If we could just get 'em talking they wouldn't be making war plans, wouldn't be developing weapons, moving forces or any of that kind of stuff because everyone would be too busy talking...right?

Those were the words of Winston Churchill.

Would Jest describe Winnie as a guy who couldn't see a real threat or not?

You seem to be arguing that all talking is useless because it hasn't prevented all the wars of the past.

Spud argues that there would have been even more wars with even les talking.

Spud argues that not talking to Iran since '79 was a huge mistake that has made ME relations even more difficult than they have to be.

When the original Israelis used terrorist tactics to get their poitical autonomy they were talked to by the world after the fact.

The Sinn Fein of the IRA eventually sat down with the Brits.

There are moderate muslims who can and should be reasoned with. Extremists who'se only agenda is to kill all westerners and to try to terrorise the local population should simply be shot down in the streets like the mad dogs they are.

True diplomacy requires both carrot and stick.

Dumbya's all stick and no carrot approach in the ME has set the US back decades in terms of global relations, crushed the economy with unneccessary debt and forever ended or altered negatively the lives of uncounted millions.

Not talking is just plain dumb ...just like Dumbya.

Be Well.

I believe that those who dispise talking to the supposed enemy think it's weak and servile and a black mark against their collective "Manhoods" I disagree. It is the one who can talk through their problems with the enemy that hold the greatest Maturity. While it is true Talk sometimes does You no good and You have to act. When You aren't even willing to give it a chance aren't You no better than a Bully. Which would You rather have less attacks and more folks alive or More folks dead and more attacks upon You. Just like the Hatfields and McCoys. They were mortal enemies. They kept fighting Generation after Generation until they decided to talk it out like Rational Adults instead of 2 clans of Bullies. What harm is talking it out?? What do You REALLY HAVE TO LOSE??

Larry

"Those were the words of Winston Churchill."

Yes, I know.

"Would Jest describe Winnie as a guy who couldn't see a real threat or not?"

Certainly not. I would cast my vote for "Man of the 20th Century" for Winnie. Now as far as Chamberlain seeing a threat....Did you know Winnie also said, "When you have to cut off a dog's tail, you don't do ia an inch at a time.?"

"You seem to be arguing that all talking is useless because it hasn't prevented all the wars of the past."

Not at all. However, we must recognize when we are just being played such as in the Hitler/Chamberlain "talks" and the Iran/UN talks today maybe?

"The Sinn Fein of the IRA eventually sat down with the Brits."

I don't think the Catholics and Protestants are quite the radicals the Islamofascists are.

"There are moderate muslims who can and should be reasoned with. Extremists who'se only agenda is to kill all westerners and to try to terrorise the local population should simply be shot down in the streets like the mad dogs they are."

Absolutely...Egypt, Jordan and others can be and have been reasoned with. Not so sure about Iran especially. I fully share your solution to the extremists.

"True diplomacy requires both carrot and stick."

Agreed...and skill with using both.

hmmm I seem to be in agreement with oorah fer a change...

While I firmly believe that Talk Talk is always better than War War this is not really a War War (no matter what kind of newspeak Bush tries to use to describe it).

We are not at war with a country. These guys are basically Criminals. Did we negotiate with the Mafia? Did we negotiate with the Latin American drug cartels? Maybe the CIA did but not our highest levels of Government. I would not give them the satisfaction or legitimacy they crave. Al Qaeda is just another criminal gang.

The whole problem Bush has fallen for their scheme and we are fighting something with our military that should be old fashioned police work...given that there needs to be International police cooperation but it should be Police and Intelligence cooperation and only Military intervention when absolutely necessary (Iraq did not fit this definition).

There are some exceptions especially where Afghanistan is concerned because we were right to send our military there to dislodge the Taliban and try to capture OBL and his gang who basically admitted to the 9/11 plot and taunted us to "come and get him" but even that was done (albeit poorly) with NATO (international) cooperation.

So, should we talk directly to al Qaeda? If they disavow and distance themselves from Terrorism...perhaps yes. Can they? Probably not.

So, basically my answer is ...No! These radical fundamentalists are criminals. It appears they want one thing and that is a Caliphate. Can others intercede on our behalf? Sure! They might want to wear neck protection...

Should we listen? Yes! But, I do believe that Criminals forfeit any rights to negotiate anything when they throw bombs at you. Which is, of course, why we should not be throwing bombs around either, except at them.

Does this apply to Iraq? Probably not. It is important to remember that Bush created the problems that exist there. If al Qaeda is there it is because we created the power vacuum which they gladly filled. Our President is responsible for allowing al Qaeda a foothold where none existed. Now his great plan is to dump all that onto the next presidency to solve.

What a guy.

Hey itsme. YOU Shut the fuck up. Oohrah has every right to speak His mind on the subject. He has a Dog in the fight literally. I may disagree Vehamently with Him on this does not mean I think He should shut up.

Larry

Larry, Iknow he has a dog in the fight!

That dog is fighting for MY right to tell OooooRhhhhaaaahh to shut the fuck up!

Irony!

Donnerboy

Great 6:45 post. How sadly true Al Qaeda thrives in Pakistan, North Africa, and many other parts of the world while we created a 'Terror University' for them in Iraq complete with live targets while handing Osama Bin Laden the best recruiting tools he could ever have dreamed of.

ITSME = WOB

Larry

See Larry? It also allows a pathetically Fat Fuck like yourself to talk shit!...and for me to call you a "Pathetically Fat Fuck"!

What a country!

Itsme, is that how your momma taught you to speak? You're better than that. If you want to step down into the gutter, you'll have to do that yourself. I won't
Posted by OohRah at 2007-09-13 07:11 PM


Stepping into the gutter? I was making a point.

Did you know Winnie also said, "When you have to cut off a dog's tail, you don't do it an inch at a time.?"

Yup, is good one too.

Spud sez "Don't take the band-aid off slowly".

However, we must recognize when we are just being played such as in the Hitler/Chamberlain "talks" and the Iran/UN talks today maybe?

Did Hitler play Chamberlain or did Chamberlain play Hitler there?

Bit of both, really.

Europe wasn't ready fer the war Hitler was gearing up for and that ridiculous agreement prevented Hitler from starting the war earlier and possibly winning.

Nobody but the seriously dim proles bought into that "Peace in our time" nonsense.

S: "True diplomacy requires both carrot and stick."

JGA: Agreed...and skill with using both.

Agreed. The Military in Iraq do their job with great skill but Dumbya's not doing so hot on the diplomatic front. Problem there is the Iraqi government cannot achieve credibility in the eyes of the Iraqi people as long as they are seen as a puppet government controlled by US interests. They can't achieve that credibility w/o being able to tell the people when the occupation will end. The occupation ostensibly ends when the Iraqi government achieves stability. They need the credibility to achieve the stability. Need the announced exit to achieve the credibility to achieve the stability.

It's classic Catch 22.

Question from DB...

So, should we talk directly to al Qaeda? If they disavow and distance themselves from Terrorism...perhaps yes. Can they? Probably not.

Spud thinks that the AQ are in the main criminals with no legitimacy and a seriuosly fucked up, overly-religious agenda of social control.

That sed, w/o an outlet fer dialogue the only option that remains to the AQ, in their own eyes and that of their followers/supporters, is violence. Even if they themselves are quite, quite mad and not ammenable to rational discourse the fact that efforts are being made to start such a dialogue might be enuff to quell some of their support (in terms of arms, manpower and money) coming from both w/i and outside Iraq.

It certainly aint gonna make the situation worse.

In the battle fer hearts and minds an ability to listen as well as talk is a good thing.

Be Well.

OohRah it's not about giving Your Opinion any more or less weight. It's called respect. We may fight it out here on the Drudge Retort that doesn't give Me the right to tell You shut up, If I would have said that to You when You have a Dog in the fight I would have had a number 10 Cast Iron skillet across the head. Know what I'm sayin??

Larry

To paraphrase Mark Twain, or somebody...

Telling a man to shut the fuck up and shutting him the fuck up are two entirely different things.

Terrorism is a different breed of war. As with a cancer, we must eliminate it.

Using a medical analogy: As Iraq applies to Al Qaeda, they don't operate to leave an open wound in your abdomen that will become infected when a brain tumor that needs removal is your problem

Terror is a tumor that infects the mind. Invading Iraq fed the tumor and spread the disease throughout the Islamic world in hyperspeed, while the festering abdominal wound of Iraq hindered the world body's immune system to fight it from growing.

Better yet, invading Iraq was like spreading a virus that started a pandemic of brain cancer in the Islamic world.

Why do some people think that Talk equals negotiation?

Only sometimes.....most of the time it's to seek information or express an opinion........

MER-
Did you play a surgeon on television? :)

No. LOL You're confusing me with Fred Thompson playing a president in the movies

It's too bad that people can't talk more. Not talking doesn't get anybody, anywhere......

It's too bad that people can't talk more.

When you have a president who gives the U.N. the finger, the body that has been involved in resolving countless similar sectarian situations, aided in creating TRUE international coalitions, worked in aiding the formation of TRUE international coalitions such as we had in 1991, refuses to talk to Syria and Iran, refuses to initiate a massive regional ME diplomatic process to push the Iraqis into political reconciliation, what can we expect?

Fuck Al Queda. Giving them anything will only legitimize their methods. Talking to them is almost as stupid as fighting them by invading the wrong country.

Posted by Sully at 2007-09-13 02:47 PM |


I just love you genius's.... Let's let Iran have Iraq and dominate the middle east and control most of the worlds oil, along with Russia. We can go fight a more MORAL war on genocide in some impoverished country that has no immediate resources of any value to the modern world. OIL isn't strategic to the war on Terror and there are No Al Queda in Iraq anyway. Well not many anyway. I know cause Sarge told me so.

Morons. You don't have a fucking clue just how stupid you really are.

I cant leave this one alone.

The U.N. you mean that worthless body of idiots that dont have a pair of balls between them? You mean the same body of idiots that imposed, was it 13 resolutions, on Iraq and didnt have the balls to back any of them up? Are we talking about the same body of idiots?

You guys want to talk and these fucking animals only want to cut your throat. There is only one way to deal with them. Violence and more violence. We catch them and beat the truth out of them and kill what is left, then we move on to the next one. Eventually you have weeded out the really crazy fuckers. Now you may be able to talk to them. But I wouldnt count on it.

We have two choices, either we destroy them with a force that they have never even immagined or we come home and build high walls and kill anyone who tries to enter our country without an invite.

Ok libs, here is where you pick my post apart and say how stupid it is and add in all your made up facts to show I am wrong.

"I just love you genius's.."

Ya gotta love the self-retorting retort, part deux.

We can go fight a more MORAL war on genocide in some impoverished country that has no immediate resources of any value to the modern world.

It's nice to see you admit that giving freedom and democracy to Iraqis who were having their rights violated...is just another bullshit talking point, and it really is all about the oil.

I want you to go find a fucking soul.

there are No Al Queda in Iraq anyway. Well not many anyway. I know cause Sarge told me so.

You could look it up, or read sarges links. Most generals admit Al Qaeda is in the vast minority over there, and we're fighting "insurgents" not "jihadists".

Why are republicans so lazy, stupid, AND highly opinionated? Deadly combination.

Ok libs, here is where you pick my post apart and say how stupid it is and add in all your made up facts to show I am wrong.

Posted by sickoflibs at 2007-09-13 11:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here is the part where you document some of those "made-up facts", prove they're wrong, or stfu.

"Lazy, stupid, and highly opinionated..."

I think that's one of the new shows in Fox's fall lineup.

How about if you for once prove your facts are right.

If your so called facts were correct, the democrats would have impeached Bush a long time ago, yet there he is still sitting there. Doing what I have no idea but he is still there. The reason that he has not been impeached is because all of the so called impeachable offences are bullshit and there is no proof to any of them. Yet you continue to say smart shit like:
"he lied to get us into this war".
"This war is illegal".
"This war is all about oil".

I can go with this crap all night. You assholes have been spewing this same shit since he beat gore.

Oh yea "he stole the election"
"he rigged Ohio"
Here is one of my favorates.
"Bush planned and blew up the World Trade Center"

When you guys get something with actual facts to talk about then maybe we would stop giving you so much shit about how stupid you are.

Well Alex, it may not mean anything but I have gained some respect for you. Even though Sarge does spew hate with most of his posts I believe he is right in this case.

However, most of the so called facts that I see posted here are from extreme liberal sources or some crazy liberal blog out there. I'm sorry but those are not facts but more like wishfull thinking for libs. Just reciently someone was posting Time magazine and Rolling Stone as a legit news source. Yes both may be able to print legit news but both are so left leaning I cant believe any of what they write.

There lays the problem. Fox News leans to the right and almost every other one leans left with some of them way left. I mean so far left that they are near Ted Kennedy.

Sickoflibs-
re: You guys want to talk and these fucking animals only want to cut your throat. There is only one way to deal with them. Violence and more violence. We catch them and beat the truth out of them and kill what is left, then we move on to the next one. Eventually you have weeded out the really crazy fuckers. Now you may be able to talk to them. But I wouldnt count on it.

Aside from turning you into "them", that hasn't really worked so well.

Sick of libs-
re: Yes both [Time magazine and Rolling Stone] may be able to print legit news but both are so left leaning I cant believe any of what they write.

So what "legit" news sources do you rely on?

"You guys want to talk and these fucking animals only want to cut your throat. There is only one way to deal with them. Violence and more violence. We catch them and beat the truth out of them and kill what is left, then we move on to the next one..."

Ah, a war of liberation to spread democracy and freedom to your fellow man...

(for the record, I have no desire that we negotiate with al Qaeda, but neither do I wish to continue the policies whereby we claim that all of our present enemies are "al Qaeda", while we strengthen al Qaeda.)

The U.N. you mean that worthless body of idiots that dont have a pair of balls between them? You mean the same body of idiots that imposed, was it 13 resolutions, on Iraq and didnt have the balls to back any of them up? Are we talking about the same body of idiots?

SickOfLibs

You mean the U.N. that's intermediated countless civil wars around the world for decades to successful conclusions including Korea, Congo, Burundi, Somalia, Cambodia, Nigeria, Yugoslavia, Bosnia, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Guatemala, and over 200 more?

You need to educate yourself before making ridiculous statements

The U.S. has lost all credibility in the Middle East and is no longer in a position diplomatically to push a peace agreement on it's own with anyone.

If we can get back to doing good things with our foreign policy, as we started in Afghanistan until Bush pulled troops and funding, we won't have so many young men running to Al Qaeda training camps. They just might be working somewhere we built a factory, or grateful that we saved their sister's life with medicine, or their uncle from a natural disaster, or educated their brother in a school where there is none now.

That's why the world looked at us as fair brokers of peace. Bush has blown the pooch on that one and it will take decades to heal.

Immediately following the 9/11 attacks, we had offers from almost every country in the ME to aid in stamping out Islamic radicalism, yet Bush gave them the finger and said 'no thanks'. When they offered to help us in Afghanistan - a war they saw as justified - Bush said 'no thanks'. When they begged us not to invade Iraq and upset the balance in the ME Bush said 'no thanks...we'll do what WE want" We had a golden opportunity in Afghanistan to rebulid that country with basic essentials and win hearts and minds all over the ME by showing our might and compassion.

Instead, Islamic radicalism has skyrocketd while moderate Arabs turned into haters of the U.S. as they witnessed all the civilian bodies in Iraq on TV - images we have been prevented from seeing.

Perhaps when Bush is gone, the next president can pick up where we left off before Bush started saying 'fuck off', and we can get back on track to restoring our lost goodwill in the ME and around the world. Only then will we really start winning the 'war on terror' by showing how good we are instead of how bad we've been, and young men won't flock to be fitted for bomb vests and AK-47's because we're viewed as angels of mercy again rather than devils of death and destruction.

The Middle East has lost credibility with the US.

ya cant talk to terror causing people like that, all they know is kill it, they have a warped since of whats right and thus the even feel that stoning a sister for showing her face or holding hands in public is justified, its because they have twisted and warped there own religion over the years, and they keep making new ones that will follow there foot steps, these guys dont really value human life, they have been raised in a shadow of death is a way of life, so...

talk to them all you want, me, I suggest going with the exterminate them approach, yea, we wont get them all , but after a while the normal ones will outnumber the wack-o's and then they can finish the removal of that sort from there own kind. its harsh, yes, but the radical movement of that religious base even scares the normal ones where they wont even lift a hand to police them selves.. until they feel empowered to do so, which will be when they dont feel afraid, which were trying to do over there.

Hooray for Larry.

My point still stands that the U.N. did nothing with Iraq other than write another resolution. Now try to explain to me how that was anything other than useless.

If you keep telling your child that you are going to spank them if they do that again. The child keeps doing it over and over you you just tell them you are going to spank them if they do that again, you are useless and the child knows it.

There is no differance between that and the way the U.N. dealt with Iraq.

Cooper,

You are barely even worth responding to.

Obviously you would consider anything written by FOX news and a not legit news source. I see them as leaning to the right, whereas I see many others leaning way to the left. To be honest I really dont know who is legit anymore but I do know that Rolling Stone is not. Have you ever seen them write an article that did not bash the President? Other than when Clinton was in office. You cant tell me that Bush does nothing good. But you will never see those stories in the liberal media.

yes, by all means - let's send the dnc delegation.

"I just love you genius's.... Let's let Iran have Iraq and dominate the middle east and control most of the worlds oil, along with Russia. We can go fight a more MORAL war on genocide in some impoverished country that has no immediate resources of any value to the modern world. OIL isn't strategic to the war on Terror and there are No Al Queda in Iraq anyway. Well not many anyway. I know cause Sarge told me so.

Morons. You don't have a fucking clue just how stupid you really are."

If we had not invaded Iraq, which is what I wanted, Iran wouldn't have any influence there. The policies you support have made it possible for Iran to get involved. Idiot.

And we aren't controlling Iraq's oil. The insurgents get more of the oil than the US does. Idiot.

And if Al Queda is in Iraq now, it is because we invaded and didn't secure the borders. Idiot.

You are blaming the people who opposed the policies that caused all these problems. You are the one who supported all the policies that caused the problems you mentioned. Idiot.

Yeah,


Its called Gunboat Diplomacy!

yup - let's send the dems to assuage this situation - it's not too late!

send them all!

no.

really!

al Qaeda's will only stop if everyone turns to Islam...

Al Qaeda is a revolutionary movement against western domination that uses religion as a unifying rallying point among Arabs with long seeded tribal and regional hostilites and resentment towards each other. Much in the same way the Crusaders fought for what essentially was resentment over Arab encroachment on European territory. Neither are truly religious in nature, but nothing stirs up passions and recruitment than bringing God into it as the justification.

The west's long history of Crusades, colonialism, and intervention in installing tyrants and autocracies to control oil, their only source of economic power, led to only deepen long held Arab resentment towards the West. Our taking the side of Israel every time has made us their 'enemy's friend'. Most recently Iraq has reinforced the perception that we intend to dominate them rather than establish an equal partnership with the Arab world, and so Al Qaeda and other groups have seen their memberships rise exponentially.

Afthanistan was a golden opportunity for us to gain Arab trust by rebuilding that country as a shining example of the good the West is capable of. Most Arabs saw it as justified, and even offered to help in a variety of areas to stamp out the growth of radicalism and prevent attacks like 9/11 from happening throughout the world - including their own territories.

I'd guarantee you that most Al Qaeda are fighting a revolution against western domination rather than Allah. Having something to eat and showing each others our kids pictures - the kids will leave this world to - just might change a few minds in the upper levels of Al Qaeda and as Terry Waite create an opening where personal interaction beyond the end of a gun can begin to change perceptions with no basis in personal experience.

Guns aren't working. They are aiding and abetting radical recruiting as much as the weapons we allow Israel to use against them. All confirmation in Arab eyes of their perceptions of the West as dominators, not friend and ally material

We don't have to offer them anything and we'd gain some valuable intel and insight into that organization.

You might be right after all. What IS their true interest? So far, they've just attacked NY, cut off heads (for kicks, I guess, altho it is a suggested response in their peaceful Koran), sworn to kill us if we don't submit to their religion, kill us anyway as they have one another for nearly fucking ever, murdered their own children - gosh, it's just not clear. Maybe we would benefit with a kumbaya sit-down. I suggest we send Reid/Pelosi & Co. along with the entire Dem. contingent of presidential wannabes and then open the door - with one smart bomb! Jesus, people. And what the hell, let's have the Rep. wannabes in there, too. Is there an American left in the house?