Biden: Petraeus 'Dead Flat Wrong'

Petraeus: Biden can 'kiss my ass....ets'

Get Biden a uni and get him theater asap.

Now what do you expect a pathological president to do when he is cornered? On to Iran!!!

Thank God some Democrats aren't folding before the game even starts. That's right boys and girls, we Americans are not going to believe Bush, nor his crony generals about anything. Get us the f**k out of that piss hole now. If you want it so bad why don't you and your RNC buddies move there. I'm sure you'll find there gun laws to your liking.

You can't take blowhards like Biden seriously when the Dems give Bush all the money he wants.

The Democrats are as disappointing in their voluntary feebleness as the Republicans are in their voluntary dismantling of America.

"dead flat wrong"

.... translation ......

"The facts are inconvienient for my political blathering"

At this point it doesn't matter what we do. They will form three Governments out of the Civil War which will erupt in full force after we leave. They have plenty of weapons and plenty of oil to fight over. It just a question of how many more must die to help Bush and his deranged Party minimize the political damage.

amongst the dems who are running, biden and kucinich make the most sense by my eye. his confederacy idea, with some questions still be answered on that front, is still the best of the bunch.
and this is soooo true...... "You can't take blowhards like Biden seriously when the Dems give Bush all the money he wants."
exactly... but tis good to remember that the democrats have proven time after time that they've, at least collectively, no balls. with due respect to pelosi and chillary. in a ball contest, the reps win every time. and that is a problem, yes?
but we're only going to have two choices.
put rudy or nit up for the reps and who should be in the other corner? i am assuming no real 3rd party candidate can make a difference.
biden is a learned man and a pragmatist. and yes, he's going to say the things that he has to say just like all the rest... but when one is forced to make a choice... what... chillary? obama? nah... too soon... the experience lines aren't working anymore and he's in over his head way before the deep end of things are in view.
will gore jump in?
ha ha ha ha

i mentioned on another page that 85% of the french voted earlier this year for a new leader.
what will it be here?
50 bucks and a margarita at manuels' says it won't be 55%.

peace

It's time the people of this nation look away from Iraq for now and start looking REAL HARD at what's happening inside this country. Bush is dismantling every single aspect of it behind our backs while he has us with our eyes overseas on the war in Iraq and his future war with Iran.

Keep your eye on the ball, America. It's what's going on in the U.S. that needs to be put under a microscope. Don't let Bush's intentional diversions overseas keep you from seeing it.

Midman, did you also know that all US military deaths in Iraq are not a result a combat?

AnAmerican

Does that make it somehow better for you?

Did you know that those maimed in Iraq will be disabled the rest of their lives?

Biden: Petraeus 'Dead Flat Wrong'

Isn't Joe a bit premature. Petraous hasn't said anything yet.

Isn't Joe a bit premature. Petraous hasn't said anything yet.
Posted by Bowa at 2007-09-10 07:30 AM

PLEASE READ:

Battling for Iraq

By David H. Petraeus
Sunday, September 26, 2004; Page B07

BAGHDAD -- Helping organize, train and equip nearly a quarter-million of Iraq's security forces is a daunting task. Doing so in the middle of a tough insurgency increases the challenge enormously, making the mission akin to repairing an aircraft while in flight -- and while being shot at. Now, however, 18 months after entering Iraq, I see tangible progress. Iraqi security elements are being rebuilt from the ground up.

The institutions that oversee them are being reestablished from the top down. And Iraqi leaders are stepping forward, leading their country and their security forces courageously in the face of an enemy that has shown a willingness to do anything to disrupt the establishment of the new Iraq.
In recent months, I have observed thousands of Iraqis in training and then watched as they have conducted numerous operations. Although there have been reverses -- not to mention horrific terrorist attacks -- there has been progress in the effort to enable Iraqis to shoulder more of the load for their own security, something they are keen to do. The future undoubtedly will be full of difficulties, especially in places such as Fallujah. We must expect setbacks and recognize that not every soldier or policeman we help train will be equal to the challenges ahead.

Nonetheless, there are reasons for optimism. Today approximately 164,000 Iraqi police and soldiers (of which about 100,000 are trained and equipped) and an additional 74,000 facility protection forces are performing a wide variety of security missions. Equipment is being delivered. Training is on track and increasing in capacity. Infrastructure is being repaired. Command and control structures and institutions are being reestablished

Now Own Up To The Bullshit BOWA That Was 3 Years Ago And What has Changed ? He Is Going To Say The Very Same Thing, It Is A Never Ending Story.

-Sarge

And the emporor has no clothes.

Ted, I wasn't making light of the deaths or injuries of our soldiers. My statement was in response to his comment on "tricks in the data analysis". Its on both sides.

Petraous hasn't said anything yet.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-09-10 07:30 AM | Reply

You mean Patreaus has not read the Bush report to Congress.

The report that says....

1. We are making military progress because of the surge.

2. Political progress is not working.

3. We can begin to draw down 4,000 troops around christmas.

4. But we need six more months to see if the surge is working fully.

5. Send another check for $50 billion.

You mean that report?

To quote a favorite tactic of the right to deny education, health care, etc to Americans....

"Why should I have to pay for your war?"

You mean Patreaus has not read the Bush report to Congress.

Jimmy, By law, the report to Congress has to come from the executive branch.

But Petraous is a straight shooter and his integrity is unimpeachable -- at least it was in january when he was confirmed unanimously by the Senate -- he's served his nation for decades without rolling over, and he more then earned his good name and reputation.

Now people like yourself are attempting to smear him and destroy that reputation because you fear that he won't say the things you want him to say.

Shame on you.

Fool me once shame on you
fool me twice (or 3, 4, 5, 6,...times) shame on me.

Sorry but the administration and its military leaders have lied to us too many times for them to now expect us to believe that all is rosy in Iraq and that just a few more months, few more hundred billion dollars, few more lives....
I just don't buy it.
A year from now they will still be playing exactly the same games.

to now expect us to believe that all is rosy in Iraq

I don't think anyone is saying that "all is rosy" in Iraq.

But neither is the situation completely "hopeless" as Reid maintained a few months ago.

The truth that Pertaous will likely report is that the change in strategy (ie. "the Surge") has shown remarkable success in some areas, limited success in other areas, and had no impact at all in still others.

The left is utterly predictable. They're too far gone down the path, so I understand why they do and say as they do.

The Dems in Congress certainly have appeared reckless plunging headlong into announcing the defeat of the US in Iraq seemignly moments after they gave Petraous a unanimous vote of confidence to implement the surge.

Me thinks the news of that defeat was bit premature. And now the Democrats are stuck with their position -- about the only political tactic they have left is too discredit Petraous - but I can't wait to hear their explanation as to how this career soldier with impeccable reputation who they trusted so much in January morphed in a mere 9 months into being a dishonest tool for the administration.

It is sad that the Dems have taken a position where they only way they win is for the US to loose. And now they are not mature enough to admit that they were wrong and move forward with what is right. As was said in the debate the other night. We broke it, we need to own up to that and fix it. Not run away from it. I wonder if that is what they teach their children. Well, if you mess something up (cause a wrech, get some girl pregnant) just walk away from it. If it is too painful to deal with the consequences of your actions, just bail.

I wonder if that is what they teach their children. Well, if you mess something up (cause a wrech, get some girl pregnant) just walk away from it. If it is too painful to deal with the consequences of your actions, just bail. ....

or sue someone.

Well, Bowa, I for one won't question the man's honesty, but as for the "tool of the administration" part goes, we already know that there is considerable dispute and criticism of the methodology of the report, and that the report is not "The Petraeus Report" but rather "The White House Report". He will report what they give him to report, but I have no doubt that his answers to questions will be honest.

Will you dismiss all the other contrary reports and the criticism of the methods used to report deaths in your glee to hear anecdotal reports of "progress"? We'll see.

I just wanted to report that I used the word "report" excessively in that last report.

Too much vino tinto last night.

The Iraqis agree with Biden:

"About 70% of Iraqis believe security has deteriorated in the area covered by the US military "surge" of the past six months, an opinion poll suggests.
The survey by the BBC, ABC News and NHK of more than 2,000 people across Iraq also suggests that nearly 60% see attacks on US-led forces as justified.

This rises to 93% among Sunni Muslims compared to 50% for Shia"

Think on that last stat Bushies- 93% of the guys we are arming and bankrolling still think its good to kill Americans. Any guesses as to what they'll be doing once al queda is banished? Any IEDa?

President Bush's war strategy is failing and the top military commander in Iraq is "dead flat wrong" for warning against major changes, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said Sunday.



Posted by Doc_Sarvis


Mr. Biden,

Are you or are you not taking bribes from the enemy?

"About 70% of Iraqis believe security has deteriorated in the area covered by the US military "surge" of the past six months,"

Link to the complete article posted on the Back Page.

www.drudge.com

Posted by SanAntonioRogue


This is anti-American propaganda. I expect nothing else from the BBC news!

THE AMERICANS CANNOT WIN IN IRAQ!!!

"This is anti-American propaganda. I expect nothing else from the BBC news!

Posted by LastAmerican"

I guess whenever a straw is present you must attempt to grasp at it LA.

The study was commissioned jointly by the BBC, ABC News, and NHK out of Japan, not just the BBC.

Sorry.

The study was commissioned jointly by the BBC, ABC News, and NHK out of Japan, not just the BBC.

Sorry.

Posted by SanAntonioRogue


I'm sorry too. ABC? That's funny.

You did not give your argument any credibility by mentioning ABC; just the opposite! I would say that "Grasping at straws" is discounting Petraeus before he gave his report.

Nice try...

"I would say that "Grasping at straws" is discounting Petraeus before he gave his report."

I didn't discount Petraeus. I simply posted links to statistics on what 1) the American People seem to be thinking, and 2) What the Iraqis seem to be thinking.

But I see you haven't abandoned the tack that anyone who doesn't toe the Last American line is anti-American - whether they be British, American, or Japanese.

Nice try right back atcha. Straw --> Last American, Last America --> Straw. Ready... GRASP!

Does that guy have a brain tumor or something?

Of course the general will say exactly what his commander in chief wants him to say. No one expected otherwise.

It's too bad a political hack like Biden has to be the one to point this out. Wonder who wrote his script.

The Bowas and Oorahs are frothing at the mouth this morning trying to cheer-lead for each other, but the fact is that the Democrats have been a huge failure in heeding the mandate of last November to get ous out of the Iraq mess. Now. Today. herm

But Petraous is a straight shooter and his integrity is unimpeachable --

Posted by Bowa at 2007-09-10 08:07 AM | Reply

Yep, that is why he is heading straight over to Faux News for an exclusive interview right after he calls for another 6 months.

BTW, the resolution to use force required status reports from the whitehouse every 60 to 90 days. How many have been given?

Petraeus is a tool of this administration. The sooner you see that the better off you will be in the reality based community.

Now people like yourself are attempting to smear him and destroy that reputation because you fear that he won't say the things you want him to say.

Shame on you.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-09-10 08:07 AM | Reply

BTW, keep tap dancing around any of the points of my post. It is what the right does best these days.

I'm sorry too. ABC? That's funny.


Posted by LastAmerican at 2007-09-10 11:12 AM

Ahhhh yes, the myth of the liberal media.

HMMMM Biden....and then we have this fine American.....

SCHUMER:" Let me be clear.
The violence in Anbar has gone down despite the surge not because of the surge.

The inability of American soldiers to protect these tribes from Al-Qaeda said to these tribes, "We have to fight Al-Qaeda ourselves." It wasn't that the surge brought peace here. It was that the warlords took peace here, created a temporary peace here."

But neither is the situation completely "hopeless" as Reid maintained a few months ago.

Only if you count accelerating downhill as progress.

***** The survey by the BBC, ABC News and NHK of more than 2,000 people across Iraq also suggests that nearly 60% see attacks on US-led forces as justified.

This rises to 93% among Sunni Muslims compared to 50% for Shia" ******

.......are these the same Sunni Muslims that we are giving arms and money to ???......no ....we could not possibly be that stupid.......

........like Dear Fearless Genius says, if you want a stable Shia-majority government, just give arms & money to those fair & balanced Sunnis........

...............chimps...we're governed by chimps....

"This rises to 93% among Sunni Muslims"

My understanding is that the Boy Blunder has assured Congressional leaders that we are arming ONLY the 7% of Sunnis that promised not to blow us up real good.

Hope that makes you feel better about the whole thing!

Oh just 6 more months from the 6 more months that we just needed another...

Betrayus is just another pawn in the end game of the Hydrocarbon law. Once the PSA are signed (we steal the national production of Iraqi oil) we can the announce a pull out of a majority of troops, and leave behind just enough to stem any threats to the oilfields.

But now what do we do now that Japan is moving away from the dollar and China is ready to cash in its chips. doenst matter how many billions the fed pumps into the economy when the fiat dollar is exposed as a worthless inflationary risk. hope your 401K is ready for a drop.

buy gold.

"Oh just 6 more months from the 6 more months that we just needed another..."

You've heard of a month of Sundays? It's going to be a Friedman of Friedmans.

That works out to around 91 years...about right.

2006 slogan "End the war!"
2007, in the beginning "End the war!"
2007, shortly after the change of power "Please end the war!"
2007, shortly after that, "Pretty please?"
2007, not even shortly after that, "Here's the blank check."
2007, while Petraeus is unanimously issued forth, "We send him forth to bring us news!"
2007, after Petraeus leaves, "He's just gonna lie the tool of the POTUS."
2007 Before Petraeus even speaks, "He's lying."
2007 After Petraeus speaks, "He's lying."

2007, tomorrow - "End the war!"
2007, after tomorrow -start over, insert new name for Petraeus.

To me, this is what sums up why Biden is saying this:

Biden contended that Bush's main strategy was to buy time and extend the troop presence in Iraq long enough to push the burden onto the next president, who takes office in January 2009, to fix the sectarian strife.

. . .

Stressing that a political solution was the key, he said, "[As President] I will insist on a firm beginning to withdraw the troops and I will insist on a target date to get American combat forces out," except for those necessary to protect U.S. civilians and fight al-Qaida.

*****Hope that makes you feel better about the whole thing!

Posted by SanAntonioRogue******

......the Seven Per Cent Solution......somehow I suspected heavy drugs were needed to understand the motivation........

All the US military needs in Iraq is six more months - then everything will fall into place.

Straight from Petraeus' statement:

"At the outset, I would like to note that this is my testimony. Although I have briefed my assessment and recommendations to my chain of command, I wrote this testimony myself. It has not been cleared by, nor shared with, anyone in the Pentagon, the White House, or Congress."

Let you all go on record now, will you believe what is in the testimony of a four-star general who has been on the ground in Iraq, or the ramblings of a politician who has little or no military credentials? If you say now that he (Petraeus) is a good guy (i.e. unanimous approval from the Senate) but will only repeat what the White House wants him to, then you are now calling him a liar.

Just a man is wearing a uniform, that doesn't mean he's not a politician.

"At the outset, I would like to note that this is my testimony. Although I have briefed my assessment and recommendations to my chain of command, I wrote this testimony myself. It has not been cleared by, nor shared with, anyone in the Pentagon, the White House, or Congress."


The fact that he has to say that as a precursor establishes that he knows his report does not have much crediblity to begin with.

I agree 100% Ray, but who are you going to believe? Petraeus was approved unanimously by the same people who are now calling him a liar before he even speaks. Which of this camp are you willing to align with? I for one will take the word of a "politician" who has spent his career in the military over the word of a senator who makes his career out of being elected.

Repugnant, you obviously did not hear the remarks of the democratic senators before he even began his speech. They literally told him that while they "respected" him, they would not listen to a word he had to say because it supposedly was just Bush's report. This is the epitome of blindly forming an opinion on an important subject for political reasons, not practical ones.

djs

I heard Biden plagiarized the term "dead flat wrong."