And after all the Democrats have done to advance the cause of this guy!

ungrateful ass

I noticed he is not doing much to stop the war either so tell I said STFU...

tell him I said STFU...

But he's dead. Bush got him in 2001.

The Right

But he's dead. Bush got him in 2001.



The Right

Posted by northguy3 at 2007-09-07 08:14 PM




HE is dead. If he wasn't dead he wouldn't have been pandering to and spanking the dems again for not completing his goals.

Websters ....Dead : no longer current or prevalent, as in effect, significance or practice, obsolete...

My guess is there's a real strong possiblity he's physically dead too.
Because someone can make an image move its lips and put a voice with it via computer doesn't make it real or alive.

Osama Bin Laden = Emmanuel Goldstein

*prepares for The Two Minutes' Hate*

With Cheney looking for a pretense to blitz Iran, the timing of this looks scripted.

Could this mean Bin Laden may not endorse the Democratic nominee for President like he did to John Kerrey?

Bin Laden Criticizes Dems

Does Bin Laden write a diary for the daily Kos? I swear I can't tell where Osama ends and "progressive" democrats begin -- they are one and the same it seems.

Bowa
That's one reason why I don't think it's bin Laden.

Greetings Infidels!

Geez--OBL trimmed his beard and dyed it black! He must be dating.

And he wants us all to embrace Islam--Well embrace this!!


Murphy

That's not Bin Laden. That's an actor hired by homeland security to further the white house propaganda on the war on terror....... I've never seen such a crock in all my life......

Our government gets more milage out of the politics if he's alive then if he's dead.

Why do people even validate this guy by listening to him or watching him or splashing his name and image in the headlines?

My guess is there's a real strong possiblity he's physically dead too.
Because someone can make an image move its lips and put a voice with it via computer doesn't make it real or alive.

That's because you're an idiot.

HE is dead. If he wasn't dead he wouldn't have been pandering to and spanking the dems again for not completing his goals.

Websters ....Dead : no longer current or prevalent, as in effect, significance or practice, obsolete...



Posted by Incubus_Con at 2007-09-07 08:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Try telling that to the families of the victims of 911. I'm sure they feel he's rather relevant.

Simply put, BUSH is the person who felt that the mass murderer of 3000+ American civilians on that day is "not a priority".

Saddam, a man who Bush claims had ties to 911, and has since retracted (FLIP FLOPPED) on that statement is dead to the tune over 12 billion dollars a month, but we can't get OBL?

I guess when your families do business together, it doesn't help you get the lowest price when you kill on of theirs.

Please, if you think anything I typed is somehow wrong, engage me in a conversation about it.

Common-
How are the widows to help Bush "fill the old coffers" when he's retired and turned this big freaking mess over to the next administration?

I see Bin Laden is going metrosexual. No more gray in the beard and I hear he's getting his nails done.

Does Bin Laden write a diary for the daily Kos? I swear I can't tell where Osama ends and "progressive" democrats begin -- they are one and the same it seems.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-09-07 08:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Osamma Bin Laden is bearded man who wears sandals and a long white dress and is in bad health (kidneys) but still,neither the Bush Govt.nor the Pentagon can deal with him or even win one decisive battle against him.

Hell they can't even find him! The US Govt.with its yearly military budget spending in the hundreds of Billion$ on soldiers,aircraft carriers,war-ships,cruise missles,tanks,attack helicopters,spy satellites,etc.etc. - admits that so far it can't find,let alone defeat this shadowy,sardonic character.

Ironic too is that Bin Laden's own military budget is,by all survey accounts,in the tens of millions and Osamma's biggest weapons in battling the American Juggernaught,are old AK-47's,hand held gernade launchers and IED's for blowing up tanks.

So the conclusion has to be that the US Govt.is very,very fortunate that there aren't two or more other Big Bad "Terrorists" like Bin Laden in the world today for them to deal with! God help America if it ever has to go up against a really well armed enemy like Russia or China!

Why did he have to bring up Chomsky?

Because Chomsky is his hero--hate America etc etc etc.

Unlike the Dickless Durbin--yes it's true--he is dickless...

He's already saying the Petreaus report is going to be positive for the surge --but of course he says it's failing. When was he in Iraq??"

He is so invested in losing the Iraq War--because if we win in Iraq--he is the loser most know him to be --along with his ilk.

He is so open minded--"Petreaus can't be trusted!"

Someone who compares our troops to Nazi's and the gulags.

What an absolute asshole--!!!

Murphy

The fact that Osama is still sucking air is Bush's greatest failure.

A man got away with almost 3000 murders, and all the dems/reps care about is painting each other with feces. Idiots!

Dumbya responds to Bin Hidin's new tape...

"I found it interesting that on the tape, Iraq was mentioned, which is a reminder that Iraq is a part of this war against extremists," Bush said. "If al-Qaida bothers to mention Iraq, it's because they want to achieve their objectives in Iraq, which is to drive us out and to develop a safe haven. And the reason they want a safe haven is to launch attacks against America or any other ally."

Murphy,

Chomsky doesn't hate America.

Osama hates America.

Chomsky thinks some of America's policies both foreign and domestic need serious attention.

Spud thinks he's right.

Prolly one of the smartest guys in the USA.

Be Well.

"Idiots!"

This is hardly new.

"The lightning there is peculiar; it is so convincing, that when it strikes a thing it doesn't leave enough of that thing behind for you to tell whether--Well, you'd think it was something valuable, and a Congressman had been there."
- Mark Twain's Speeches, "The Weather"

Chomsky neglected to sign the Bush Loyalty Oath, so he cannot be a patriotic American.

That should be obvious to anyone, right, Smur.... Murph?

BTW I love the spin on this website...even a leftist one that it is...

Bin laden helps the dems when he criticizes Bush. Bin laden helps the dems when he criticizes them. You right wingers see what you wish to see, it's all a self fulfilling prophecy(much like the terrorists ideology) that declares your side correct, and the other wrong no matter what the actual reality is. I'm really tired of it, kids.

"Because Chomsky is his hero--hate America etc etc etc."


You don't do a lot of thinking, do you?

E-mail from a friend:

[Osama] goes on to call Noam Chomsky "among one of the most capable of those from your own side," Doesn't surprise me. Now if only we can get Osama to endorse the Dems again like he did Kerry ...

ME: Ummmm, can in your opinion Osama ever be right on anything? Chomsky, even in neutral circles, is usually deemed to be the nation's leading intellectual. herm

After reading this article, myself and many others I have talked to, are now convinced this is pure propoganda catapulted by the Bush Administration.

Commonsense preten asks for reason, "Saddam, a man who Bush claims had ties to 911, and has since retracted (FLIP FLOPPED) on that statement is dead to the tune over 12 billion dollars a month, but we can't get OBL?"

I think I understand what you intend to mean: Bush's fight against terrorism is based on a lie, and OBL is more important -- is that correct?

First of all, it is obvious to everyone - now - that it is a fact that Saddam had contact with al Qaeda using their proxies to do so. Saddam established training centers with center pieces being airliner bodies, that Osama's deputy Zawahiri who took over for him lived in Iraq, and that Saddam began a program in support of the Taliban and al Qaeda by offering rewards and bounties on US lives and equipment destroyed in Afghanistan; notwithstanding his support of terrorism by PLO/Hezbollah, et al in Israel!

As for Osama? He is obviously dead, and as some of your fellow Leftist/Democratics are saying, right here and right now! Didn't you read them to gather some courage to blat your blither?

Here, get this clue:

Islamic use of human sacrifice to advance Allah and Mohammed and world domination under Islamic law is more important than any figurehead for that movement, that fascism, that demand for theocratic rule by neolithic (goatherder's, camel herder's) law and tyranny.

Got that?

Christ Converts To Islam
JERUSALEM--In a surprise announcement with far-reaching theological implications, Jesus Christ The Nazarene, founder of Christianity and spiritual leader of nearly two billion people, revealed Monday that He has converted to "the one true religion" of Islam.

Christ, 33, is urging Christians worldwide to renounce His former religion of Christianity and join Him in embracing the Muslim way of life.

"People of all nations, in the past, you have heard Me say that whosoever shall believe in Me shall not die, but have eternal life," Christ said. "But now, I say unto you, forget I ever said that. There is only one holy revelation of Allah, the Qur'an, which was dictated to the Prophet Mohammed, Praise Be Unto Him, by the Archangel Jibreel in the seventh century after I died."

According to Christ, the beauty and perfection of the Qur'an's Surahs are without equal in all creation, encompassing and surpassing both the Judaic Torah and the New Testament Gospels of His apostles. The former Christian messiah went on to cite Surah Aal'imraan 3:67, which reads, "This day I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion."

"What could be more clear?" Christ said.

"I was wrong, and I know that now," He added. "I deeply regret any problems or confusion I may have caused."

TadWOE

Osama's dead, eh? From the exceprts I've read of the upcoming video he clearly refers to last fall's election. You'd be smart to wait until you view it to make such a statement. We all wish it were so, but wishing doesn't make it so.

And uh, Osama happens to head THE terrorist organization that attacked us on 9/11.

Saddam did NOT attack us. Repeat! Saddam did NOT attack us.

AU begins, "... Osama's dead, eh? From the exceprts I've read of the upcoming video he clearly refers to last fall's election. You'd be smart to wait until you view it to make such a statement. We all wish it were so, but wishing doesn't make it so."

I've seen excerpts, haven't you? He got his nose flattened, his beard trimmed (no, no for mullahs) and dyed, gained weight and is upset with Democratics for not getting out of Iraq.

Indeed! Aren't you the one that told me that Islamic terrorists wanted us to stay in Iraq?!? Or, was that some other Leftist/Democratic liar?

Besides, since when doesn't everyone have a phone-camcorder taking images 10,000 times better (as bad as some phonecameras are) than those recording such an *important* man as Osama bin Laden?

They still have out-of-focus, 20 year old videocams -- they are so poor?

Our war must be winning, eh? Bet that makes your suversive ego madder than hell, doesn't it you unprincipled war profiteer promoting party over nation?

"And uh, Osama happens to head THE terrorist organization that attacked us on 9/11."

Too rich! You actually ignored my opinion concering that, and how utterly stupid and idiotic it is to hold the head of some organization as being more important than the motives and goals of that organization!

This is a war on TERRORISM, and specifically at this time in history, and Islamic use of it to advance their fascistic rule of the world under their theocratic law and tyranny ... are you blind, physically as well as partisanly?

"Saddam did NOT attack us. Repeat! Saddam did NOT attack us."

So, if I were to advertise for someone to assassinate Americans or to destroy their equipment/infrastructure, that would be legal, that would not be something you wanted to conern yourself over, something you would condone just so it didn't affect you, personally?

Notice the logical desert you find yourself wandering around in ... ???

Believer al Bani admits, "... It doesn't matter that the Osama videos about 9/11 are fake, according to scientists and top Bin Laden experts, or that he is dead, according to Israeli intelligence, Pakistani intelligence, and other sources."

All the rest of your tripe is just that -- greasy menudo.

If your logic was true, then Zawahiri was a Bush puppet, sacrificed on the evil altar representing the rule of law and constitutional government!

Are you completely around the bend in support of Islam in apologizing and excusing them for sponsoring and cheering Osama in the streets? Is that a Bush ruse to force One World government on you freedom loving capitalists ...???

al Bani blats, " ... Osama bin dead for years...see fox news report on it:>)"

Something I've argued ever since starting to comment on this site, and which the Leftist/Democratics have been monolithic in saying was a lie -- that Osama was alive and should be the focus of our vengeance, and not a fight against Islamic fascism and desire to rule by terror.

However, I see that you are in the vanguard of those who are spinning themselves around another 180 degrees, and saying that Osama is a Bush plot to control peaceful Arabs living in cooperation with Jews, until the dumbo George carried off this plot to fool the entire world into believing Osama attacked the WTC, and that Saddam was a genocidal tyrant killing hundreds of thousands ...

What a professional liar you are! Bravo! The DNC needs more unprincipled prevaricators of your caliber!

Former Congressional Office of Technology Assessment Senior Staff Member Calls for New Investigation of 9/11


www.opednews.com


Posted by Bani at 2007-09-08 08:24 AM |


I'm not going to bother reading the link, just let me know where to send the money... yuck yuck.

Howard Dean -- Send that man a "kick ass" donkey -- one with a chastity belt around it's fantail.

Rosie O Donnel once spread her misinformation from "THE VIEW".

Osama Bin Laden delivers his message from "THE CAVE" ----- So easy a caveman can do it, oh, that's a commercial line....

Bush is still President and the libs and Osama's followers are running out of patience.

After reading this entire thread I can only come to one conclusion, Tadowe is as dumb as a sack of hair.

Who made this statement?

Why are the leaders of the White House keen to start wars and wage them around the world, and make use of every possible opportunity through which they can reach this purpose, occasionally even creating justifications based on deception and blatant lies, as you saw Iraq?"

A) Osoma Bin Laden

B) Barack Obama

C) Dick Durbin

D) Ayman al-Zawahiri

E) Noam Chomsky

If you are not sure, why do you think that is?

Briwo says, "After reading this entire thread I can only come to one conclusion, Tadowe is as dumb as a sack of hair."

Thanks for the compliment in making me the subject of your published commentary. I can always count on you Leftist/Democratic practioners of what progressive politeness is all about ...

Even I'll defend Tad on that one. He is many things wrong, but not dumb.

Tad
There was a lot of discussion on this site last week about when Bush/Cheney plan to launch a blitz on Iran. He's following the same script he followed on Iraq. Estimates range from September to the beginning of December. The problem is that he needs a strong pretense to launch a all out attack. We're thinking there is going to be a repeat of 911.

All of a sudden here comes another bin Laden speech that looks artificial and could have been written by a neocon think tank, setting the stage for what is to come. I wouldn't bet my life on it, but the stench is pretty strong.

tadidiot types:

First of all, it is obvious to everyone - now - that it is a fact that Saddam had contact with al Qaeda using their proxies to do so.

TH:as I am sure every nation has contacts with every other nation or entity. we had contacts with AQ, that does not mean anything. You head a nation, you contact groups and deal with them one way or another. since OBL and SH are at polar opposites in ideology the thought that they were acting in concert is ludicrous and anyone who believes they did is delusional.


Saddam established training centers with center pieces being airliner bodies,

TH: as does the FBI, your point?

that Osama's deputy Zawahiri who took over for him lived in Iraq,

TH: it is exceedingly difficult to engage you when your factual errors are so blatant. it was ZARQAWInot zawarhiri. Zarqawi was a competitor to OBL not a deputy. Zawarhiri is OBL deputy. Zarqawi went to Iraq (in the Kurdish area) and set up his own thing that eventually morphed into AQ in Iraq after its successes (and the US's conflating his influence). He finally got a green light from OBL, although by indications OBL was not happy with many of Zarqawi's tactics.

and that Saddam began a program in support of the Taliban and al Qaeda by offering rewards and bounties on US lives and equipment destroyed in Afghanistan;

TH: Bullshit

notwithstanding his support of terrorism by PLO/Hezbollah, et al in Israel!


TH: no more than bush's butt buddies the Saudis mind you.

snip

Here, get this clue:

Islamic use of human sacrifice to advance Allah and Mohammed and world domination under Islamic law is more important than any figurehead for that movement, that fascism, that demand for theocratic rule by neolithic (goatherder's, camel herder's) law and tyranny.

Got that?

TH: got that you are an idiot? yes.

TAD,

"fascistic" ?

fascist /f ... st/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fash-ist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
noun 1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism.
2. (often initial capital letter) a member of a fascist movement or party.
3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.
adjective

fascism (fsh'z''m) Pronunciation Key
n.
often Fascism
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control

Please tell me what what Governmental, Dictatorial, Industrial Country do they run TAD ?

Stop making shit up, you love utilizing "Fantastic Dagger" Words,Phrases,and Statements to somehow to intensify the impact of your unsubstantiated and invalid conclusions some how True ?

-Sarge

Ray says, "There was a lot of discussion on this site last week about when Bush/Cheney plan to launch a blitz on Iran."

Really, Ray, so what? Democratic candidates talk about unilaterally invading an ally's nation, but I don't see that used to denigrate them, here. And, Ray, that is the point, after all -- that Leftist/Democratics' patriotism and support for our success against an implacable enemy is only available when the commander-in-chief conducting the war is a Democratic; e.g., Bosnia, Somalia, Haiti and military actions against Iraq for WMD which didn't exist, and he knew it!

Just up to a few months ago the Leftist/Democrats were challenging the rightwing to attack Iran for being a terrorist supporting nation, if Iraq was! And, just like some subversive antipatriot asked me about why we weren't invading Rawanda, or some other Islamic genocidal nation, just today. You surely remember last year when the same Leftist/Democratic warmongers were wondering why we didn't invade North Korea, if Iraq wanted to have nukes! Stupid hypocrites!

"He's following the same script he followed on Iraq. Estimates range from September to the beginning of December. The problem is that he needs a strong pretense to launch a all out attack. We're thinking there is going to be a repeat of 911."

Yeah? I think I do remember you trying to infer that 9/11 might have been an inside job ... now, you're predicting another inside job? Is that it, Ray? It will be a gigantic rightwing conspiracy?

Do you think Hillary will burn some Christian rightwing nut, his followers and all their children to end that threat to US security?

"All of a sudden here comes another bin Laden speech that looks artificial and could have been written by a neocon think tank, setting the stage for what is to come. I wouldn't bet my life on it, but the stench is pretty strong."

Of course! Otherwise, you would have to believe that Leftist/Democratics and Osama bin Laden wanted the same thing for Iraq: defeat for the USA and a victory for what Democratics claimed they wanted, too, in leaving Iraq to people like Osama ...

What a tool you are!

First of all Tad, my politics leans toward anarcho-capitalism. I have no more use for Democrats than I do Republicans. Right now the commander-in-chief happens to be a Republican. The Democrats are just as deeply involved.

Yeah? I think I do remember you trying to infer that 9/11 might have been an inside job

Considering that the White House had plans to attack Iraq, the timing could have not worked out better. Then again, Arab fundamentalists had something to gain by drawing the US into a ME tar pit. It's inconclusive.

Do you think Hillary will burn some Christian rightwing nut, his followers and all their children to end that threat to US security?

She would pardon anybody in that clique who faces legal troubles. She could make us pine for the days when Bush was president.

What a tool you are!

The Washington crowd is the enemy of the USA. A loss for Washington is a victory for common Americans. It is you who sympathize with our enemy, the State.

Ray repeats for about the 5th time, "First of all Tad, my politics leans toward anarcho-capitalism. "

That makes you no less a subversive to the success of this war against terrorism, Ray. Besides, I know that you are speaking to the audience, and since we've been over this waddle/quack stuff before. It has allowed me to mention what an ego centric that makes you appear, at least one time before this one!

"Considering that the White House had plans to attack Iraq, the timing could have not worked out better. Then again, Arab fundamentalists had something to gain by drawing the US into a ME tar pit. It's inconclusive."

They had no thought that the cowards of the left, and right, would attack them in return! If it happened, they counted on beating it as they did the Russians, before ... and you actually know this, but conveniently forget it in forming your "theories".

Save your reactionary agreements, Ray. You forget I was banned from a rightwing site, before I was banned here ... then reinstated for principle ... not slavish devotion to party. I'm not going to be your friend or collectivate with any anarcho-whatever ...

Ray repeats for about the 5th time, "

Then don't keep trying to tie me to the fucking Democrats. I speak for myself.

Tad, I know it is difficult for you, but try to get this into your brain. It is not a war; it is an occupation with the goal of colonizing Iraq. The so-called terrorists are doing exactly what you or I would be doing if invaded by a foreign power - fight back.

The violence has been increasing from the time our military has been there. To think that they have a rat's chance of quelling the violence is nonsense.

I'm not going to be your friend or collectivate with any anarcho-whatever ...

Hardly deserves mention.

It is not a war; it is an occupation with the goal of colonizing Iraq.

Turn Iraq into a colony of the United States?

LOL

What planet are you living on Ray?

I swear, the idiotic things some lefties say around these parts never ceases to amaze.

TadWOE

You twist anything to mean what YOU want it to mean.

Posters here talking about North Korea question why we weren't going after NK since they absolutely DID have nukes and were equally a part of the 'Axis of Evil'.

I haven't seen a single Dem or level headed Republican calling for an invasion of Iran either, but I have read plenty of posts from the far righties to 'turn Iran into glass' and the like. A very crazy idea. Shit, the dust cloud from nuclear explosions would wreak havoc around the globe. But, hey, crazy people have crazy ideas.

Not to insult you, but you have a screw loose there buddy. Your constant rants about 'traitors', 'subversives' and the like make you far more a conspiracy theorist than anything anyone else could say. You're way out there - up there - wherever you are dude. Your rants make Ted Kozinski (the Unibomber) look tame in comparison. I hope you don't own firearms.

Has Billary Clinton's campaign finance donations been audited? LOCK BET OF THE CENTURY: BIN LADEN GAVE MONEY TO THE CLINTONS THROUGH UNDETECTABLE CHANNELS!

STAY TUNED, AMERICAN SHEEPLE!

With beliefs like that it can only be a matter of time before he announces his candidacy for the Democratic nomination for President of the United States.

If not elected, I am sure there will be a cabinet post waiting for him in a democrat White House....after all, they seem to have the same goals...defeat America in Iraq and discredit George Bush.

"...after all, they seem to have the same goals...defeat America in Iraq"

Bull. Can you point to a single instance where the Republican Neocons wanted to prosecute the Iraq war one way, and the Democrats thwarted them?

Commonsense preten asks for reason, "Saddam, a man who Bush claims had ties to 911, and has since retracted (FLIP FLOPPED) on that statement is dead to the tune over 12 billion dollars a month, but we can't get OBL?"

I think I understand what you intend to mean: Bush's fight against terrorism is based on a lie, and OBL is more important -- is that correct?


.................zzzzzzz......
..

Posted by tadowe at 2007-09-08 05:21 AM | Reply | Flag

No, that's not correct. I meant EXACTLY what was typed above. I din't tink it leaves much in the way of "the meaning". It's pretty clear.

I'll explain it one ore time. BUSH has said that Saddam had nothng to do with 911...NOTHING!!!

You still with me?....and NOW we're spending 12 billion a month because Bush wanted Saddam instead of the man who killed 3000 American civilians. Don't believe me? Bush's own words were that he doesn't consider him a priority.

Whine as much as you'd like republicunts.

Bush is the man who turned his back on the mass murderer of 3000 American civilians in oder to get osme oil for his buddies.

Yeah, the GOP way.....walk away from the man who you claim was wanted "Dead or Alive".....that's right faux cowboy....turn away from him and run.

Damn, Bush is such a coward in so many aspects of his life...I guess that why the right loves him so much.

Hey Dan:

"Can you point to a single instance where the Republican Neocons wanted to prosecute the Iraq war one way, and the Democrats thwarted them?"

How about I give you five....

1. National unity in prosecuting the war.
2. The ability to prosecute the war without timelines.
3. The ability to fight a war without our secrets being blabbed to the other side by the enemies within
4. The ability to fight a war without the democrats limiting the budget.
5. The ability to fight a war without the Democrats encouraging and emboldening the enemy.

That be enough? Don't be so touchy about the truth....

1. National unity in prosecuting the war.
2. The ability to prosecute the war without timelines.
3. The ability to fight a war without our secrets being blabbed to the other side by the enemies within
4. The ability to fight a war without the democrats limiting the budget.
5. The ability to fight a war without the Democrats encouraging and emboldening the enemy.

That be enough? Don't be so touchy about the truth....

Posted by A_Citizen at 2007-09-09 05:36 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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1 How does one support an Illegal War is beyond Me. Yeah We have been over this countless times A_Citizen someday Your maturity level, will be as such as You will finally admit the truth of that situation.

2 You have to set time4lines in order to achieve objectives If You do not set timelines then You are not acting in a rational mature way and leaving things open ended which btw does not a mature act support.

3 Telling the truth about the illegal acts perterated by ones own Government even during time of war is very necessary for the ability to First admit the wrong doing and 2 to change the direction ones Country goes into.

4 through 5 are such a fucking disgrace they are not even worthy a comment.

Larry

Bin Laden is a True Democrat.. Why is everyone upset? He voted for the War before he voted against it? What's the problem????

Larry,

1. Thank you for proving my point.

2. Timelines eh. What timelines were set in the Revolutionary War? What about the War Between The States? I will even give you WWI and II? If the opposition party had treated the president in any of those wars the way the opposition party has treated Bush, The South would be a sovereign country and the rest of you would be speaking German.

3. The phrase "change direction" tells the enemy all he need to know. Hence my number 5.

I agree with you as to 4...it is such a terrible disgrace that in the face of a war, the opposition party would make it necessary to even mention them.

Bin Laden is a True Democrat.. Why is everyone upset? He voted for the War before he voted against it? What's the problem????

Posted by Ashworth at 2007-09-09 05:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Unlike Cheney who said that even knowing what he knows now about how the war has turned out, he still would have gone into Iraq.

I mean, shit, what are 3000+ American soldiers lives on top of the 3000 dead American civilians when there is oil on the line and No-bid contracts to be had.

A Citizen

Tell us in your infinite wisdom who the 'enemy' is in Iraq? Who surrenders?

As another poster put it (can't recall: "who created "Terror University" ' out of Iraq so they could learn to kill us better?

Hint: You voted for him

1. National unity in prosecuting the war.

Talk is different than action. Disagreement hasn't tied the hands of the neocon architects of this war one iota.

2. The ability to prosecute the war without timelines.

You're joking, right? Every "timeline" has been artificial. Again, those proscuting the war have done EXACTLY as they've chosen, since day one.

3. The ability to fight a war without our secrets being blabbed to the other side by the enemies within.

Do you mean like the "secret" plans the NYT "leaked", the same plans the President had been talking about for months?

4. The ability to fight a war without the democrats limiting the budget.

Again, that's never happened yet, and even if it did, Bush has the power to shift other monies toward the war. 0-for-4.

5. The ability to fight a war without the Democrats encouraging and emboldening the enemy.

A steaming pile. Those responsible for this clusterfuck, and their slavish supporters, are dying to get the stench of this mess off them. There's not a single thing the Neocon architects of the Iraq war have wanted to do which they have been stopped. They've prosecuted the war the way they've wanted since day one, yet have never taken any responsibility. It wasn't the Dems who undermanned and underplanned, it wasn't the Dems who guarded the oil fields and not the ammo dumps, it wasn't the Dems who chose to destroy the societal infrastructure (de-Ba'athification) while they destroyed the civil infrastructure.

Republicans made those mistakes. Repubicans decided to thin the Afghan troops and de-emphasize OBL. Repubicans decided to invade Iraq. Repubicans decided how it was to be done. And Repubicans have been making those decisions every day since, and no amount of Republican Revisionist Stink-Wash will change that.

Kudos to you Danforth for even responding to such absolute bullshit.

My answer would have been much, much shorter.