Poll: 1-in-4 Repubs Reluctant to Vote Mormon

I want to learn more about Morman teachings before judging. I just don't like Romney period -- I don't care where he goes to church.

Chris, words of wisdom. But do check it out. Mormon belief is truly waaaaaaaaay out there. Very much One Step Beyond.

Clinton clearly wasn't linked up with nut job religons.

Bush I could hardly have cared less.

Raygun used it as a convenient tool.

Carter, well, at least he pounded some nails into homes after he got out of the Monkey House.

Ford, nada.

Nixon, zip, just letting Billy Graham whore around for him.

LBJ. No way.

JFK. Nope. Too intelligent to take it seriously.

Look back on it, and the only real religious nutcase we've had---IF he's sincere, and I have me doots---is the current doofas in chief.

I pay a lot of attention to the relgion of people I'm thinking of voting for, because they all say they pay a lot of attention to it and that worries me. A lot.

Doc, if Bush paid attention to his religion, he'd note his church asked him not to go to war.

The other 3 out of 4 Republicans are reluctant to vote Republican.

I just can`t see the current fundie based GOP nominating a mormon. I think their tent simply is not that big currently.

"I want to learn more about Morman teachings before judging."

Recommended reading:

Under the Banner of Heaven
By Jon Krakauer

www.amazon.com

Mormon or no, they'll vote Republic anyway. They voted for Dumbya, didn't they?

I'm reluctant to vote "fascist cunt".

Magical underwear has no place in the White House.

www.religionfacts.com

I see Hillary's less than Evangelical views are discussed.
Do they REALLY think she doesn't have a chance if the far right wing-nuts the 'pubelicker pharty won't vote for her?

Now that's what I call a

S---T---R---E---T---C---H!

Be careful of those seams!

Question: Has the GOPever nominated a non-mainstream protestant on to a presidential ticket?

Just when I realized that this might mean we don't ever elect another Bush, I realized it didn't say '1 in 4 Repubs Reluctant to Vote MORON'

See how the corporate media ignors Ron Paul! He actually won the GOP debate. Yet is is the invisible man in the mainstream media.

Ron Paul is the only one that speaks from his heart and head.
All of the others just recite the party line.
Listen to debate here,
Ron Paul Wins 1st GOP Debate
video.google.com

Ron Paul Wins The 1st Republican Presidential Candidate Debate
Ron Paul wins in MSNBC post debate poll.
digg.com

Hell it ain't morman.

The GOP as a whole is only receptive to white anglo-saxon protestant males.

Mormans should not take this personally.

They voted for Dumbya, didn't they?

Posted by SamBarber at 2007-09-06 10:54 PM | Reply

A lot of people did vote for Bush, but a lot also pinched their nose and voted against Algore and Kerry. That's the ugly truth Dems always try to ignore.

I would guess a similar if not higher Dem would be reluctant to vote mormon. That is a cult that turned into a 'religion' no doubt. Joseph Smith was a liar and a con artist, so sad that so many have bought into it.

""A lot of people did vote for Bush, but a lot also pinched their nose and voted against Algore and Kerry. That's the ugly truth Dems always try to ignore.""

No Vernon the truth is many people voted against the Vietnam veteran that the Swift Boat Liars slandered.
They voted against the guy who "invented" the internet.

In other words they let right wing pundits and FAux News tell them who to vote for.
When and if you ever get to the point of admitting the Iraq war was/is a total disaster, that our economy is heading into the toilet, etc. etc. then you will finally also have to consider where you ever got the idea Bush would bring anything else.
It was a forgone conclusion to anyone with a fucking brain. Thinking...an idea you ought to try sometime.

CC, there isn't mutch to learn.

They believe that where we are now is the bottom of the ladder and they can work their way up to being a god on another planet.

They baptise the dead into the mormon religon for their own kingdom so it gets larger.

They will stab their neighbor in the back to get ahead here on earth but they believe in a strong, large family.

They do what the church tells them to do. They are good little sheep in that way.

They believe Jesus wandered around the Americas after he was hung on the cross.

I want to learn more about Morman teachings before judging.

Posted by CalifChris at 2007-09-06 09:10 PM | Reply

And THAT is why so many Repubs are likely to NOT vote for a Mormon.

Seen the trailer or website for the new movie "September Dawn"? It's the only time white Americans massacred other white Americans in the history of the US, it's been reported. And the Mormon church covered it up (as they do with most other things in their history, quite unlike Christianity). You won't find Christians denying the Inquisition, the Crusades, slavery, or the de facto segregation that STILL goes on in churches.

Brigham Young once famously bragged, "We have the greatest and smoothest liars in the world."

You would be foolish and naive to not take Mormons at their word for who they are and what they believe.

CC, read a book called, I think, "The God Makers". It was written by a couple of mormons that quit following good old bring them skinny, bring them fat, but "bring them young".
I just can't help myself. I have to let it out.

The historical reports of Mormon leaders, Mormon missionaries, and Mormon politicians being caught in lies are quite consistent with the politically expedient "change(s) of mind" that Mitt Romney has had.

here's a link for the movie starring Jon Voight:
www.septemberdawn.net

"Religion is bunk" Thomas Edison

Mormonism (like Scientology) is primarily a Cult and Tax Scam.

We could rebuild our infrastructure with tax revenues from Organized Crime and Mormon business activity. The two groups share an authoritarian strcuture.

"It's the only time white Americans massacred other white Americans in the history of the US, it's been reported."

That would be news to those who died at Gettysburg, Chickamauga, Chancellorsville, Spotsylvania and Antietam, just to name a few.

Hans

Nice to see this making the Retort.

I live among them and have most of my life.

Snipers 9:29 post is DEAD ON ACCURATE.

Some of the most unethical businesspeople I have ever dealt with (that and Texans)

Google "Planet Kolob" for a really weird read on some of their beliefs.

Like I said earlier, I got my hopes up when at a cursory glance I thought the tittle was:

"1 in 4 Repubs Reluctant to Vote Moron"

That would be news to those who died at Gettysburg, Chickamauga, Chancellorsville, Spotsylvania and Antietam, just to name a few.

Hans

That was a war, the incident at mountain medows was a massacre of the people in a wagon train headded for Calif. by the mormons. Big difference hans, but it may not be to a lib such as yourself. The ONLY killing you like is a baby before birth.

Baby after birth is ok, too, Sniper. You know, the critter what comes poppin' outta the thing.

Planet Kolob

Thanks for that 2112. I remember listening to a (former) friend, a Mormon, as she explained the intricacies of that one to me. My response (a natural one, I'd like to think) was to break out laughing. I thought she was kidding. She wasn't.

Sorry to string this thread along, but 2112 you've given me an idea. Do you suppose if Romney became president he'd announce a NASA mission to Kolob?

"Do you suppose if Romney became president he'd announce a NASA mission to Kolob?"

If he goes, let's fund it.

***Poll: 1-in-4 Repubs Reluctant to Vote Mormon ****

.....thats odd....they have no problem voting for Moron......

"Big difference"

Not to the dead.

Hans

Doc, you got a FF on your 11:07 post.

I actually don't think that all Mormons are bad people, I have quite a few friends that are great, however on the whole, and especially in business, they are fairly peculiar.

As far as one of them being president I would not vote for one on the same basis that I would not vote for a Muslim. Religion being the determinant.

The biggest thing I don't like is that in ccertin curcumstances they have no problem getting the point across that you are not part of the 'gang'. It's actuall commical but true nonetheless.

I agree, 2112. I've had some good experiences with some Mormons, but doing business can be a dicey proposition for some reason. Probably a Them/Us thing. We're gentiles and they're saints. Staints and Strangers.

I personally prefer a President that spends his or her time thinking, asking, actively participating.

Not one praying and seeking "divine guidance."

Hans, there is a difference between a war and a murderous act of religious zealots. Then end result is the same (dead people) but the acts are quite different.

Hey Sniper, Kirk, how many mormons were massacred by Missourians and Illinoisians (is that right?)(gasp - white men!) between 1835-1847? How many died in the Mormon Exodus because no states would allow them to practice their religion freely?
en.wikipedia.org

Did you know that the mormon religion is the only religion to ever have an "extermination order" (see history or Missouri for that one) ordered on them? I believe the official terminology was that mormons were to be "driven from the state or exterminated" - right here in the good ol' US of A.

Yes, some of the mormon beliefs may be strange or different, but hey, thank goodness for the Constitutional right to the freedom of religion.

I wonder how much those numbers would drop if the question was asked: "Who would you rather vote for - a Mormon or a democrat?" I bet those 25% of republicans would have to rethink their answer on that one.

I read about Kolob, and the 'translation' that JS did on the hypocephalus. I wanted to know what the actual translation was. Found it here:
zarahemlacitylimits.com

Do you think Mormons know that JS is full of shit? He 'translated' it totally incorrectly, and when things were added to missing sections in "Facsimile 2", it was done in the wrong language, copied from other hypocephalus.

I have no problem with Romney's religion as long as he keeps it to himself and practices it as most presidents have done in the past. What I do have a problem with is his support for the Iraq WAr, corporatism, right wing social values, and just about every other position he takes.
Oh, and I don't think his sons are serving America by working on his campaign.

Some years back when Bradley ran against Deukmejian for governor of California, an L.A. Times poll asked if people were ready to for a black candidate. Results showed them less likely to vote for an Armenian (the Deuk) than an African-American.

That did not prove out in real life. I fear that in the privacy voting booths and deciding between the woman who didn't want to bake cookies as "first lady" and the man whose religion features a Mrs. God who does stay home and bake cookies while Big G is at work, they'll opt for the latter. herm

I agree Danni - and I think he would practice his religion quietly if he does get elected (personally, I don't think he'll get elected, but that a whole different matter). I heard him semi-quote JFK a few months back when he said something to the effect of: "I am not running as a Mormon candidate for president, but as a Republican candidate who happens to be Mormon". Personally, I think that's they way all the candidates (and anyone else in public office) should be.

BTW, excellent post - most people would let Romney's religion become the issue but you did a good job stickin' to the real issues (didn't we have a similar conversation a few months back?)

Would you say the same thing Bart if Romney was a scientologist? How about a Branch Dividian? How about a Moonie or Heavens Gate?

Sounds about right. Most republicans are bigots in my eyes........

BigJohn - Actually, when it comes to Scientology, I would say the same thing. I personally don't believe a lick of it, but if a public figure wants to believe in Xenu or the Flying Spaghetti Monster, let them, as long as they realize that their personal beliefs do not and should not a) reflect the values of the country, and b) their personal beliefs should not become the law of the land (for example, Scientologists don't believe in psychologists. Fine, but as long as they don't make it illegal to be one in the US let them believe what they want). That's the whole purpose of separation of church and state! I believe our public officials should be able to worship as they choose without being discriminated against, as long as no one else is hurt.

The last sentence is why I would NOT say the same thing about HG or the BD's. BD's were breaking all sorts of laws including child abuse and underage & forced marriages, and the HG all committed suicide - not easy to run for Prez when you're dead or planning on dying at a predetermined time.

It's funny that you're comparing the mormon church (4th largest christian denomination in the US by the way) to all these cults - almost as if you are calling them a cult. However, the strawman you set up doesn't hold - I looked at this list: en.wikipedia.org and couldn't find the mormons anywhere on it. Nice try though.

BTW, do you always decide whom to vote for based on the labels people have (ie dem, rep, catholic, protestant, mormon, muslim, etc) or do you ever actually check out the issues?? Danni and I don't agree on a lot, but at least she dislikes Romney for his politics, not his beliefs. How about you?

Kenoosh, only 25% are :)

Mormon's are part of a cult. It's just a cult that has been around for a long time. In 150 years, the Church of Scientology will probably be established, should we respect their beliefs because it is established? They are still a cult setup by a con artist, just like Mormons are. I question the intelligence and mentality of someone who believes in a cult.

Someone who believes in the FSM (hallowed by His Name), well that's someone I could vote for!

It's so nice of you to post the defitive 'list' of cults. Mormonism walks and talks like a cult. It was a cult in the beginning, now it is a well established cult that believe in nonsense.

Jesus walked among native americans? Joseph Smith wrote about stuff right out of his ass, he was a bullshit con artist that has a ton of followers. Yes Mormons are a cult whether it is politically correct or not to state it.

The post above where I showed what the actual Facsimile 2 translated to and what Joseph Smith lied and said they said is a great damnation of the cultish behaviour of Mormons, but this is another interesting bit of info:
www.apologeticsindex.org

Mormon fundamentalist groups came into existence when the Mormon Church was forced to renounce polygamy - till then one of its key doctrines:

Due to political pressure brought upon the LDS Church by the federal government over the issue of plural marriage, President Wilford Woodruff signed what has come to be known as The Manifesto, or Declaration 1. The Manifesto can be found following section 138 in the Doctrine and Covenants. This document was basically a promise to the United States stating that the LDS Church would submit to the laws of the land and desist from solemnizing plural marriages. The document, signed in 1890, also denied any accusations that the church was encouraging or performing any such marriages.

A number of Mormons considered this move to be problematic. After all,

[p]olygamy was, in fact, one of the most sacred credos of Joseph's church - a tenet important enough to be canonized for the ages as Section 132 of The Doctrine and Convenants, on of Mormonism's primary scriptural texts.

The revered prophet described plural marriage as part of "the most holy and important doctrine ever revealed to man on earth" and taught that a man needed at least three wives to attain the "fullness of exaltation" in the afterlife. He warned that God had explicitly commanded that "all those who have this law revealed unto them must obey the same ... and if ye abide not that covenenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory."
- Source: Under The Banner of Heaven, John Krakauer, Doubleday (July 15, 2003), pages 5, 6.

So Mormons had to flip flop their 'religion' so as to fit in better in the US. A basic tenant taught by their 'prophet' is now to be sealed away and forgotten? They aren't a real religion.

So in BigJohn's high and vaunted opinion, mormonism is a cult. Thanks for the opinion. I love that word - cult - what the heck does it mean anyways? Is Islam a cult? What about Christianity? Or AA? Or fraternities? Or secret societies? Or Masonry? Or..... (Wikipedia mentions in their "cult" post that all these can be considered cults)

BJ, (hehe, sorry, couldn't resist) you throw the word around like it means something when you don't even know what you're talking about. Lemme ask you something - did you vote for either Bushes or Clinton? Were they in cults? According to what I think your definition is, they were (Skull and Bones)! If you voted for either of these men, you've just retorted yourself. Did you "question the mentality of these men who believe in cults"? How about all the founding fathers who were masons - which some consider a cult. Do you question their intelligence and mentality?

I think you're full of it, BJ. You don't like mormons and this is a great way for you to expouse your hatred and intolerance. Too bad you sound like a friggin' hypocrite when you do it.

Why don't you look at the politics of the candidate running? Is that too much to ask? Nooo, instead, you follow the 25% of Republicans who can't think for themselves. "Pastor say mormons bad, so mormons baaaaad"

Now that being said, have a good weekend :)

So Mormons had to flip flop their 'religion' so as to fit in better in the US. They aren't a real religion.

Posted by bigjohn_1972 at 2007-09-07 05:05 PM

So changes in church policy mean a religion is wrong? So are Catholics not a real religion? After all, Pope Benidict just came out and said babies now get to leave purgatory and go to heaven.... Must have been a long wait these past 2000 years. Evangelicals flip flop all the time. But...but...but BJ doesn't hate them, so it's ok.

P.S. to everyone else - sorry to semi-hijack this thread but BJ was pissing me off. Back to the subject, I again feel that Romney should be looked at for his political beliefs - not his religious ones. Let those stay home where they belong.

The babies didn't get out of purgatory, the Pope said that Limbo doesn't exist. Get your facts straight. And Mormonism renegged on polygamy (even though it was a requirement to get into heaven according to Joseph Smith) because of political pressure. Then they hid it away like it didn't exist and still try to deny. That is shameful but to be expected. Another example of their 'religion' being full of crap.

Joseph Smith is a liar, a charlatan and a con artist. His 'religion' is fake. I have posted several links that prove it.

And yes, AA could be considered a cult, although it wasn't started by a charlatan con artist. See the difference Bart?