What a classy act that boy is.

What a sociopath.

Larry

Oh, Lord.

I call BOA!

Looks like we've got a new contender for "most cuddly poster".

"And don't make this about me...."

Poof. You were never here. You did not say that.

I'd be interested in Bush getting up unscripted in front of any informed group and explain for one hour how ass is being kicked in Iraq.

But, alas---There are no fortified air bases protected by two US Army Brigades he can fly into that also, uh, have civilians.

I'd guess the first question I would ask Bush is if it is true he's been paying Iraqi markets to stay open so photo ops of "pacification" can be taken for the surge?

Nah. Second thought, I'd ask Bush nothing about Iraq---I already know everything he'd say.

What I'd really ask him is why he felt it important to publically humiliate his cabinet members and advisors while president.

Then I'd ask him why he thought farting before WH visitors was funny.

Then I'd ask him why he thought farting before WH visitors was funny.

He'd probably just stick out a finger and ask you to give it a tug.

...and when you did, you'd find it out wasn't his finger.

""The lot of you, all of you, in toto. Despicable, muslim loving, America hating, traitorious despicaciples of defeat.""

Tadowe couldn't have said it better himself.
However Tad would not have said
"And don't make this about me, or I'll get really, really pissed."

Keep trying though, you'll get his manner of posting down if you stay at it.

09/05/07 DoD Identifies Army Casualty
Spc. Rodney J. Johnson, 20, of Houston, died Sept. 4 in Baghdad, Iraq, of wounds suffered when insurgents attacked his unit. He was assigned to the 1st Squadron, 4th Cavalry Regiment, 4th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 1st Infantry Division...

We're Kicking Ass!

09/05/07 MNF: Task Force Lightning Soldiers attacked - 2 killed, 3 wounded
Two Task Force Lightning Soldiers died as a result of injuries sustained from an explosion near their vehicle while conducting operations in Salah ad Din Province, Wednesday. Three Soldiers were also wounded and transported to a Coalition medical...

We're Kicking Ass!

09/05/07 MNF: MND-B Soldiers attacked - 2 killed, 1 wounded
Two Multi-National Division-Baghdad Soldiers were killed and another wounded during combat operations in an eastern section of the Iraqi capital Sept. 5.

We're Kicking Ass!

09/05/07 Reuters: 8 electrical workers kidnapped and killed
Eight electricity workers were kidnapped and killed in the northern Baghdad district of Waziriya on Monday, the Electricity Ministry said in a statement. The workers had been travelling to a training workshop in the northern city of Arbil.

We're Kicking Ass!

"Although they sell dust, they are open for business."

I'm opening up a Dust Shop in my garage and two in my basement. Will Bush pay me in cash or by check?

What a classy act that boy is.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis

That is a lot worse than getting a BJ in the oval office from a page and then putting your cigar into her thing. Talk about class.

Yeah Sniper, Bill's sexual escapades lacked a bit of class, almost as low as the voyeuristic Republicans who needed to hear every single detail.

What's the matter, libs? Never heard anyone say, "We're kicking ass"?

YEAH!

But predominantly from little boys---- not grown men!






What a classy act that boy is.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis

That is a lot worse than getting a BJ in the oval office from a page and then putting your cigar into her thing. Talk about class.
Posted by Sniper at 2007-09-06 10:15 AM


YEAH!

Not worse ----- just less mature!

Where's Harry the reed?
Nancy Pelosi?
Ted Kennedy?
Jack Murtha?
Jay Rockefeller? He hasn't been heard from since his little unautorized trip to tip off the enemy?
What's Kerry up to? lmao (chuckle snort)
Boxer, where's she been?

Guess all these folks think things are going along just fine. Why else would they go on retreat? lmao ooops I mean vacation.

Isn't it about time to drag out the "impeach" word agaian?

"BUT things are getting better."

Interesting statement.

Define "better" and support with evidence.

Thanks.

Wobbie! Still buried up Bush's ass I see.

truth.......at least when it came to shamelessly using the names of dead soldiers to use in a silly post here, you did it here and not on the monday day of rememberence brought to us by calif chris...



and speaking of kicking ass..........

there was some REALLY BAD NEWS FOR libs last night.



when I am playing great lakes downs and a horse is taking the lead coming out of the turn I say this line and the same thing applies now to the presidential race after leno last night...


THIS RACE IS OVER!!!!!!!!!!

I guess you think unwanted sexual acts are for big boys and kicking ass is for small boys. I just love the way you libs look at the world.

Interesting statement.

Define "better" and support with evidence.

Thanks.

Posted by Zarkov

Last night in the GOP debate Duncan Hunter said that attacks in the area of Anbar are down 80% from this time last year when the area was basically pure chaos. That's due to our troops and the sunnis in that area kicking out Al Qaeda.

There's the Amiriyah section of Baghdad...

And there is Katie Courics statement from above...

When was the last time you heard a network news anchor speak positively about anything in Iraq?

I think that after looking at examples like that, its reasonable to say things are getting better from where they were.

yes old trophy wife thompson will go over well with the family first crowd

Wobbie! Still buried up Bush's ass I see.

Posted by briwo

Tool, I posted a link to quotes from Katie Couric...

Do you have anything to say about that?

Why is it so hard for you Libs to even talk about the possibility that in some areas the situation in Iraq may be improving?

By the way, do you know any libs who are letting their boy friend run a gay whore house out of their basement lately? Lets put that man in charge of the Banking Bunch. I like that "BB", like in bad boys.

"its reasonable to say things are getting better from where they were."

This from the "we cut the deficit (we created) in half" crowd. Once again, they couldn't be prouder unless they'd initially screwed up even more, so they could cite even more "progress".

Have we progressed to the 20th century yet...you know, lights and running water?

By the way, do you know any libs who are letting their boy friend run a gay whore house out of their basement lately?
Posted by Sniper

No, why? You looking for a good time?

Deaths in Iraq

6-2007 US 101 Brit 7 Coaliton 0 ISF 197 Iraqis 1148 Total 1453

7-2007 US 79 Brit 8 Coalition 1 ISF 232 Iraqis 1458 Total 1778

8-2007 US 84 Brit 4 Coalition 0 ISF 76 Iraqis 1598 Total 1762

Pretty clear how the surge is going.

Katie Couric

...needs ratings badly. She got 'em. Dan Rather's network can always get their anchors discussed.

Oh great we have Horace Sniper and Rob spewing the usual BULLSHIT. Why am I NOT Surprised?? Typical if You ask Me. They can't handle the truth I am afraid.

Larry

Define "better" and support with evidence.
Thanks.
Posted by Zarkov

"Last night in the GOP debate Duncan Hunter said... There's the Amiriyah section of Baghdad...
And there is Katie Courics statement from above...
Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole"

Duncan Hunter, a neighborhood in Baghdad, and Katie Couric.

I guess that settles it.

LOL

yes it is truth.....when you look at all of the stats and not just yours.........

is it all rosy and hunkie dory.......of course not.

is it armmegedon like you and your side desperately need it to be........of course not......

no but if security was significantly better as attributed by bushies, then certainly there would be a noticiable decline in deaths, donchathink?

nahhh

Rob,

In all seriousness, when looking at the big picture, like total military and civilian casualties, can you possibly understand why many people aren't seeing anything even close to better?

Yes, violence may be down in some areas, but it is way the hell up in other areas. That's not solving a problem, that's shuffling it around to another area.

Does the term shell game mean anything to you?

When violence and casualties make sustained drops country wide, I'll be among the first to get out the party hats and say "I'll be damned, things are getting better", until then the reality of the quagmire that is Iraq won't be erased by wishful thinking.

No, why? You looking for a good time?

Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Just pointing out your class acts. Makes 'kick ass' look good along side the man with $90k in the freezer. I have more if you want them. The dems have left a target rich field out there.

Do you have anything to say about that?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-09-06 10:34 AM


Yes, you're a whiny little bitch. Is that what you were looking for dickbag?

...is it Armageddon...

Nope, not as long as we have our largest and most fortified embassy there. Not to mention all of our spanking new bases. Continual military presence is what that means.

Libs I guess you think unwanted sexual acts are for big boys
Posted by Sniper at 2007-09-06 10:32 AM

pretty funny considering which party keeps getting caught with it's hand in the bath house.

"we're kicking ass"" will end up in the long list of stupid comments that Bush will regret. That's ok though, because like "stay the course" he'll just deny he ever said it.

I have more if you want them.

Fire away.

The hole will only get deeper. You're only proving that both parties are severely lacking.

We know that.

Wounded RTD then and Wounded Evacd

31-May-07 thru 13-Jun-07 75 45
14-Jun-07 thru 20-Jun-07 104 75
21-Jun-07 thru 27-Jun-07 132 89

Total June 07 520

28-Jun-07 thru 04-Jul-07 80 128
05-Jul-07 thru 11-Jul-07 82 55
12-Jul-07 thru 17-Jul-07 105 6
18-Jul-07 thru 25-Jul-07 52 95
26-Jul-07 thru 01-Aug-07 86 65

Total July 07 754

02-Aug-07 thru 08-Aug-07 88 87
09-Aug-07 thru 15-Aug-07 100 30
16-Aug-07 thru 22-Aug-07 54 43
23-Aug-07 thru 29-Aug-07 67 89

Total August 07 558

compare to timeframe from 06

01-Jun-06 thru 06-Jun-06 53 96
07-Jun-06 thru 07-Jun-06 52 50
08-Jun-06 thru 14-Jun-06 69 65
15-Jun-06 thru 21-Jun-06 75 7
22-Jun-06 thru 28-Jun-06 72 52


Total 591

29-Jun-06 thru 05-Jul-06 66 24
06-Jul-06 thru 11-Jul-06 44 44
12-Jul-06 thru 18-Jul-06 81 33
19-Jul-06 thru 26-Jul-06 57 112

Total 461

27-Jul-06 thru 02-Aug-06 99 16
03-Aug-06 thru 09-Aug-06 64 51
10-Aug-06 thru 16-Aug-06 78 46
17-Aug-06 thru 24-Aug-06 62 36
25-Aug-06 thru 30-Aug-06 95 69

Total 616

Compare Total 06 1668
vs
Total 07 1832

surge is working?

what objective measures would you like?

I think deaths and woundings are pretty good measuring sticks doncha?

or we COULD go with the number of guns we gave to iraqis or the number of names for insurgents (you know-neighborhood watch, inherent civil guards, etc), cause those numbers are up too

Why is it so hard for you Libs to even talk about the possibility that in some areas the situation in Iraq may be improving?

Because it's still just a giant game of Whack-a-Mole, and nothing has changed. Attacks in Anbar are down, but civilian deaths are up and troop deaths are up.

All that happened is that the bad guys changed provinces. And once the Surge ends, Anbar will go right back to chaos.

We can't afford to be short sighted and look at just a couple data points. The Surge has proven that concentrated troop strength can bring stability. But we can't maintain that level permanently, nor over the whole of Iraq. The improvement is temporary and localized.

There is still no long term solution. The Surge ends in April. Then what?

"Makes 'kick ass' look good along side the man with $90k in the freezer. I have more if you want them. The dems have left a target rich field out there."

You're joking, right? You're going to bring up a piker like Jefferson, and ignore Duke Cunningham, who was 24 times the crook?

btw the talking point going forward will be BUILDING on the successes we have had so far.

forget the cost

forget the cost benefit

cherry pick "successes" and continue with the game.

In all seriousness, when looking at the big picture, like total military and civilian casualties, can you possibly understand why many people aren't seeing anything even close to better?

i haven't seen any totals for military and civilian casualties. even given some totals, how would they be determined? would a 14 yr old al qaeda recruit be counted as a civilian? what determines military?

i've never been to iraq, and i'm not there now, to witness first-hand, so it's difficult to determine the truth here. but these are pertinent questions.

Yes, you're a whiny little bitch. Is that what you were looking for dickbag?

Posted by briwo


Oh Late 70s Rambo you're so tough... Big Bad soldier boy can't even respond to an actual post...

Hey Briwo, yet another day has gone by for me seeing the same amount of combat you saw your whole military career.

Thanks for your service, Badass!

yes pick your definition of tragedy and go forward,

the minimum since March 03 71,303

high end, likely close to a million.

When violence and casualties make sustained drops country wide, I'll be among the first to get out the party hats and say "I'll be damned, things are getting better", until then the reality of the quagmire that is Iraq won't be erased by wishful thinking.

Posted by TreesGoneWild


Trees, I'm not saying we're on the path to victory and everything is going to be Disney World in 3 months... I'm just saying that there are some areas in Iraq where the violence is way, way down, and groups like the Sunnis have started to cast out Al Qaeda. That is progress... Is it enough progress? No, not even close. Does it mean that we're possibly righting the ship? maybe...

Can you at least see where I'm coming from with that?

yes, all those lost lives are tragedies. but we're talking about the effectiveness, or lack thereof, of the u.s. actions (i.e. the surge) in iraq.

Duncan Hunter, a neighborhood in Baghdad, and Katie Couric.

I guess that settles it.

LOL

Posted by Zarkov


Did Duncan Hunter lie? Is there not a significant decrease in violence in the Anbar province?

A neighborhood in Baghdad that used to be much more dangerous.

When was the last time you heard a network news anchor say anything positive about the situation in Iraq?

Rob, face it: you're weak in the data department on this one. Grow up and stop being such a whiney little douche.

Rob, face it: you're weak in the data department on this one

Nobody has refuted a single thing I've said... though I have been called a whiny bitch, and now a whiny douche. Is that your data Sarvis? Wow... that is overwhelming.

Trees, I'm not saying we're on the path to victory and everything is going to be Disney World in 3 months... I'm just saying that there are some areas in Iraq where the violence is way, way down, and groups like the Sunnis have started to cast out Al Qaeda. That is progress... Is it enough progress? No, not even close. Does it mean that we're possibly righting the ship? maybe...


Can you at least see where I'm coming from with that?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


becuase you are cherry picking bullshit

the facts are we are arming the sunnis, the PRIMARY enemy is the shiites, that is why they have slowed down attacks on US troops, not much but somewhat.

Fact is AQ in Iraq is a small problem

fact is any violence suppression caused by troop increases is absolutely limited time frame.

Fact is there has been zero progress on a political front

that is not progress that is delaying the inevitable.

becuase you are cherry picking bullshit

And you're not? All you post about is the bad.

fact is any violence suppression caused by troop increases is absolutely limited time frame.

Since we can't actually know this for sure until that time has expired and the surge has ended you can't call this a FACT...

Fact is there has been zero progress on a political front

I'll take political gridlock in exchange for decreased violence.

"Nobody has refuted a single thing I've said"

You haven't provided any "evidence," Rob.

You tell us Duncan Hunter said something.

You mention a Baghdad neighborhood.

You cite Katie Couric.

You provide no data to support what you're saying.

Ridiculous.

"though I have been called a whiny bitch, and now a whiny douche. Is that your data Sarvis?"

No, but it appears to be the sort of middle school vocabulary you understand.

becuase you are cherry picking bullshit

And you're not? All you post about is the bad.


TH:I am posting numbers, numbers dont lie. I say they do not indicate a reduction of violence. I think that they are pretty clear and direct measures of violence in Iraq, you believe otherwise.

fact is any violence suppression caused by troop increases is absolutely limited time frame.

Since we can't actually know this for sure until that time has expired and the surge has ended you can't call this a FACT...

TH:it is limited by the fact that troop increases cannot be sustained-fact.

Fact is there has been zero progress on a political front

I'll take political gridlock in exchange for decreased violence.

TH:There has been no decrease in violence.

please see the number of deaths over the past 3 months.

Doc did you read the article? There's plenty in there for you to refute, but you lack the balls I guess.

You tell us Duncan Hunter said something.

An 80% decrease in violence in Anbar since this time last year. That is data you fucking moron... refute it or shut the fuck up.

You mention a Baghdad neighborhood.

Refute it then

It's not for me to refute, Rob, it's for you to prove.

Which you don't appear to be up doing to this morning.

"That is data you fucking moron... refute it or shut the fuck up."

Yep, definitely middle school.

Rob,

All that's happened in Iraq is that the generals who said we need 500,000 troops have been validated.
But nothing has changed since 2003. We still need 500,000 troops in Iraq.

But we don't have them. In 8 months we won't even have 160,000 in Iraq anymore.

If there were plans in the works to send enough troops to Iraq to do the job, I would agree with your optimism.

Be honest. What is Iraq going to look like a year from now, with the surge over the Iraqi army still 6 months away from a report saying they need another 18 months to stand up?

TH:I am posting numbers, numbers dont lie

No, numbers don't lie... but the poster of those numbers can take them out of context, or only post the bad numbers, or present them in many ways to make them seem worse or better.

For example, a Republican will give numbers on unemployment and jobs created and say how wonderful the economy is. Those numbers are facts... they can't lie. But then a Democrat will come around and tear apart what types of jobs those are, or the average pay of them.

TH:it is limited by the fact that troop increases cannot be sustained-fact.

Yes, but you gave your opinion as to what will happen when the troops leave and stated it as a fact...

You're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts.

TH:There has been no decrease in violence.


In areas of Baghdad there most certainly has.

It's not for me to refute, Rob, it's for you to prove.

Translation: I'm too much of a coward to actually look at what you've posted, because it might mean I have to aknowledge not all is FUBAR.

Trees, I'm not saying we're on the path to victory and everything is going to be Disney World in 3 months... I'm just saying that there are some areas in Iraq where the violence is way, way down, and groups like the Sunnis have started to cast out Al Qaeda. That is progress... Is it enough progress? No, not even close. Does it mean that we're possibly righting the ship? maybe...

Can you at least see where I'm coming from with that?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-09-06 11:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

Be honest. What is Iraq going to look like a year from now, with the surge over the Iraqi army still 6 months away from a report saying they need another 18 months to stand up?

Posted by Norm_


Probably similar to how it looks now... Some areas will still be dangerous and destroyed, but other areas will be relatively peaceful and rebuilding from the years of violence.

If it were just the surge that were the cause of places like Anbar I would not be optimistic in the slightest... but it wasn't just the troops. It was the Sunni civilians in that area working with the Americans to kick out Al Qaeda.

Anyone who says that isn't progress is out of their fucking mind.

The change in tactics in Anbar started 18 months ago. It has nothing to do with The Surge.

EVEN BETTER NEWS!!!

"Translation: I'm too much of a coward to actually look at what you've posted"

No, that would be a mistranslation, Rob.

I've looked at what you've posted on this thread. Have you provided a link to any "evidence," other than Katie Couric's opinon?

Have you read the material in the link I provided on my 11:18 post?

Do you think, that if we had gone in with an actual plan for post invasion Iraq and the appropriate troop levels, the discussions about Iraq and the future of our presence there would be dramatically different?

Posted by TreesGoneWild


Yes, that's probably right. I don't know if they had no plan, but certainly the plan they did have was fucked. And they defintely didn't have the appropriate troop levels. Rumsfeld and the Generals who planned this were terrible, they completely fucked it up, but that doesn't mean we can't change course and make things better and there is defintley signs that we are doing just that.

"we're kicking ass"" will end up in the long list of stupid comments that Bush will regret. That's ok though, because like "stay the course" he'll just deny he ever said it.

Posted by danni


"Stay the course" is a stupid comment?

Hmmm... Looks like Stay the Course is actually working.

I've looked at what you've posted on this thread. Have you provided a link to any "evidence," other than Katie Couric's opinon?


LMAO... You're such a fucking hack. How many opinions have you read and taken to heart when they were telling how fucked Iraq is?

look at it objectively.

for 4 years we were fighting a sunni insurgency.

those insurgents were fighting and killing american soldiers.

we are now arming those very same people, giving em lawyers guns and money.

and now they love us.

Have you read the material in the link I provided on my 11:18 post?


Posted by Doc_Sarvis


Yes... its full of opinions... opinions you take as Gospel Truth because it supports what you want to believe.

The title of the article is "Experts DOUBT Drop In Violence in Iraq" Not "Experts DISPROVE Drop In Violence in Iraq."

You're a hack.

but that doesn't mean we can't change course ....

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at

I thought we were staying the course?

"You're such a fucking hack."

Ah, more "evidence" in support of the opinion you appear to share with Katie Couric,

Let me know what you think when you've digested the article I linked to above.

You have no idea how funny you are, Rob.

...either do it all the way or get the hell out.

My sentiments exactly. I've been saying that since day one. For some reason, Cheney wants to make it look easy. It ain't.

I thought we were staying the course?

Posted by truthhurts


Um... a troop "Surge" proved that we are not.

"How many opinions have you read and taken to heart when they were telling how fucked Iraq is?"

Do you mean the "opinions" that running water and electricity are worse than pre-invasion levels, or the "opinions" that much of the professionals and middle-class have fled, or the "opinions" that huge swaths of Iraq are controlled by tribal militias?

BTW Truth, From Cock's article:

Reductions in violence form the centerpiece of the Bush administration's claim that its war strategy is working. In congressional testimony Monday, Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, is expected to cite a 75 percent decrease in sectarian attacks. According to senior U.S. military officials in Baghdad, overall attacks in Iraq were down to 960 a week in August, compared with 1,700 a week in June, and civilian casualties had fallen 17 percent between December 2006 and last month. Unofficial Iraqi figures show a similar decrease.

You were saying something about how numbers don't lie?

""Hmmm... Looks like Stay the Course is actually working.""

No statistics back that up except in Anbar Province with is just one small part of Iraq. Deaths are not down in number, the Iraq military isn't expected to be able to assume control of Iraq for a minimum of 12-18 more months and even then there is absolutely no reason to believe they will be. 3 out of 18 benchmarks have been met.
All we are getting is plain spin designed to allow Bush to keep the troops there until a new president (a Democrat) takes office and who will then have to bare the responsibility for Bush's failure in Iraq.
It amazes me that so many here are still so willing to fall for the spin when you have been fooled so many times in the past. Don't you guys ever get tired of making fools of yourselves???

Rob,

For once, although we're not on the exact same page, I think we're in the same book.

I think the primary concern for most of us is bringing an end to this conflict and giving Iraq back to the Iraqis. I think we'd also like to leave the country in better shape than we found it. To achieve this, we need not only the commitment of the Iraqi people (Yes, the Sunnis working with Americans to rout Al Queda is a good start.) but the full commitment of the American Military establishment (Read: The people making the decisions need to make decisions geared to getting the majority of troops out as soon as is feasible instead of doling out new strategies in piecemeal fashion to draw out the occupation)is also necessary.

I think it is reasonable to assume that the US will have some continued presence in Iraq for years to come, I don't have to like that, but I do understand the necessity for it if we truly commit to stabilizing Iraq. If we truly commit to stabilizing Iraq then we have to commit to ending our occupation there, don't we?

It's a sinking ship, Danni, but it's the only ship they've got.

BTW 1598/1629= 98% not a 17% decrease

The change in tactics in Anbar started 18 months ago. It has nothing to do with The Surge.
Their aim from the beginning has been to wear down American will, until America was ready to deal with them. And after four years, America has been batted into a position where they're willing to come in and deal, put them in power locally, put them in police uniforms, and use them as a counterbalance against the very government America created.

This is good news, IF we're prepared to follow up on it. Let's look at the dynamics. Anbar has quieted down. Why?
According to this report, it's because after kicking the Sunis out of power, we put them back into power and gave then control and autonomy.

Attacks in Anbar are down 80% because Anbar is no longer ruled by Shia in Baghdad. But that doesn't really speak well to the future survival of Iraq, does it?

The provinces and neighborhoods in Iraq that are quiet are the ones where ethnic cleansing has run it's course or they are allowed independent operation.
Anbar won't remain quiet if the Shia central government attempts to reasert control.

The lesson learned? Split Iraq in 3 and be done with it.

The title of the article is "Experts DOUBT Drop In Violence in Iraq" Not "Experts DISPROVE Drop In Violence in Iraq."

Yeah. And One military official called even the revised version (of the GAO report) "factually incorrect," saying that "we absolutely disagree with their characterization of sectarian violence." Such attacks have fallen significantly this year, he said.

We have to be careful how we define violence so we can spin the numbers. Sectartian violence has dropped, but shia on shia and sunni on sunni violence is up.

More from the Military Official:

"They use the end of July as the data and evidentiary cutoff and therefore are not taking into account any gains in any of the benchmarks that may have become more clear throughout August," one official said.

Fine. let's look at the fatalities July/August:

BAGHDAD - Civilian deaths rose in August to their second-highest monthly level this year, according to figures compiled yesterday by the Associated Press. That raises questions about whether US strategy is working days before Congress receives landmark reports that will decide the course of the war.

www.boston.com

I've got a great idea... Dems defund his war, then the GOP can blame them for defeat.... no more GI deaths, save billions... everybody happy (especially families that don't have to spend their sons on idiot's war).

"Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, is expected to cite a 75 percent decrease in sectarian attacks. According to senior U.S. military officials in Baghdad, overall attacks in Iraq were down to 960 a week in August, compared with 1,700 a week in June"

Well there's some double-speak for you. Sectarian attacks are down 75%. Attacks are down only 44%. Methinks there's a new way of scoring. And the 1700/wk in June, I would bet, is the high. What's the comparison to the previous August, or the August before that? The problem with stuff like this is it's easy to cherry-pick particular dates to make whatever point one wants.

And let's not kid ourselves...it's not Petraeus's report. And Bush pretending to not know what's going to be said is just another attempt to play the public, using our bravest as fodder.

"attacks in Iraq were down to 960 a week in August"

That's one attack every 10-12 minutes, 24hrs a day, 7 days a week.

Norm says Attacks in Anbar are down 80% because Anbar is no longer ruled by Shia in Baghdad. But that doesn't really speak well to the future survival of Iraq, does it?

Worse than that, we've ensuring Anbar doesn't submit to Baghdad. We've effectively backed a government opposed to the Iraq government.

Truth, by your own words, numbers don't lie... so by looking at what Patreous will report on... significant progress has been made in Iraq.

I am posting numbers, numbers dont lie.

Posted by truthhurts

we're, not we've.

10 months later we are back to the 18 months.

A failure on the part of the Iraqis to say the least...

when you will stop accepting thier lies?

Posted by truthhurts

Its not a lie... at the time they concluded that the Iraqis would be stronger after a period of 18 months. They were wrong. That's not a lie, its a miscalculation, or a mistrust even or the Iraqis.

What's working in Iraq is Biden's plan, unintentionally implemented.

2 years later we cheer when attacks go from 1700 to 1000


Posted by truthhurts


How many people would have been killed in those 700 attacks that are still alive because of the progress we've made? Yeah, I think that is something to be happy about.

remember back in 2006 when maliki promised Iraqi forces would take over by years end?

August 2, 2006

How many people would have been killed in those 700 attacks that are still alive because of the progress we've made? Yeah, I think that is something to be happy about.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole



clearly none cause the same number of deaths with fewer attacks, sounds to me like the bad guys are getting better at what they do.

""Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, is expected to cite a 75 percent decrease in sectarian attacks. According to senior U.S. military officials in Baghdad, overall attacks in Iraq were down to 960 a week in August, compared with 1,700 a week in June"

CBS) BAGHDAD, Iraq One week before Gen. David Petraeus is expected to give his report on U.S. progress in Iraq, CBS Evening News anchor Katie Couric says she has already seen dramatic improvements in the country.

"We hear so much about things going bad, but real progress has been made there in terms of security and stability," Couric said Tuesday. "I mean, obviously, infrastructure problems abound, but Sunnis and U.S. forces are working together. They banded together because they had a common enemy: al Qaeda."

"Kicking ass" may be a bit of a stretch Mr. President, BUT things are getting better.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


Well, it seems like we have the right wing argument now. Of course they will use the anecdotal reports of improved security in the areas SWARMING with troops as proof of "Success", and will dismiss negative reports of the rest of the country as left-wing pessimism.

We don't even really need the report issued by the white house throught the mouth of Petraeus.

No one runs through a red light at which a parked police car is visible. The cop doesn't sit there forever, though, and by virtue of his presence their, the rest of the red lights become all the more passable, like so much of the rest of Iraq.

"That's not a lie, its a miscalculation"

"it is not knowable how long that conflict would last. It could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months."
-Donald Rumsfeld

"I think it will go relatively quickly, . . . (in) weeks rather than months"
-Dick Cheney

"The administration's top budget [Mitch Daniels] official estimated today that the cost of a war with Iraq could be in the range of $50 billion to $60 billion ... "

" I really do believe that we will be greeted as liberators."
-Dick Cheney

"Iraq war and reconstruction will "pay for itself" with oil revenues, "and rather quickly."
-- Paul Wolfowicz

Miscalculations, all?

The 2006 election is over.

Who authorized the payment to allow the war to continue?

If we decrease the number of US forces, will that result in less or more US casualties? The only sure way to avoid losses to is have no one there to lose.

Trees, if you want to see what we're about over there you might want to check this one out:

USAT fronts an exclusive interview with Joshua Bolten, Bush's chief of staff. Bolten told the paper's editorial board that no "reasonable observer" would expect all or even most American troops to withdraw from Iraq before the end of Bush's presidency. Though some have suggested that Bush wants to leave the withdrawal dilemmas to the next guy (or gal), Bolten says the president actually wants to make "it possible for his successor--whichever party that successor is from--to have a sustained presence in the Middle East."
www.slate.com

Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2007-09-06 11:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Iraq war and reconstruction will "pay for itself" with oil revenues, "and rather quickly."
-- Paul Wolfowicz

Miscalculations, all?

Posted by Danforth at 2007-09-06 11:57 AM |


Unless you clean houses for a living seldom does business produce any fruit/profit for at least 3 to 5 years.

We'll be in Iraq for at least another generation if not longer. We'll also be in many other parts of the world.... hey, Korea comes to mind. Ps It's a cease fire there too.

"Unless you clean houses for a living seldom does business produce any fruit/profit for at least 3 to 5 years. "

Well, then Wolfie is a fuckin' idiot then, right?

""We'll be in Iraq for at least another generation if not longer.""

Not if the American people have anything to say about it. But then that would require that our government be answerable to the people and we all do know that is pretty unlikely.
Viva Corporate Power!!!!

Cool it, mad-ol-me.

Bush is kicking ass and that includes dems and libs; that is why they are screaming back, which is what you're seeing here.

And don't make this about me, or I'll get really, really pissed.


Posted by Mad_Ol_Me at 2007-09-06 08:43 AM | Reply | Flag

Gee, I wonder who this could be.

Mad_Ol_Me

Tadley has a twin sister?

Bush was right. WE (the White House mafia) are kicking ass (the hindsides of Americans who must die and pay for Bush lunacy).

I'm appalled to see a few well-disguised Bush cheerleaders still around. I hope I see that they're diminishing slightly, either in number or volume. herm

""and Katie Couric.""

Any guesses as to how much longer CBS is going to keep her???
I bet she isn't there another six months.

Hey, at least he completed a sentence for once.

"and then putting your cigar into her thing.

Posted by Sniper at 2007-09-06 10:15 AM"

Her "thing"? It's called a vagina, Snipe. That's what grownups call it. It's not a dirty word, either. Her "thing." You're a crackup.

Bush: 'We're Kicking Ass!'

This from a fool who can't even get control over the single city of Baghdad after four years of fighting. The man is painful in so many ways.

"'and Katie Couric.'

Any guesses as to how much longer CBS is going to keep her???
I bet she isn't there another six months."

I hope not. It's like The CBS Evening News With Gidget.

Let me re-phrase that. It IS The CBS Evening News With Gidget.

And people wonder why most people think he is a bit of a simple rube.

Her "thing"

Ranks right up there with the "N Word".

Honey, do mind if I place my thingie in your thingie tonight? Come on, please! You never let me, waaa waaaa waaaa!

Sniper

"thing"

OK, Monte started the ball rolling.

Building a Bigger, Better Vocabulary through Repetition (Saying Something Over and Over and Over Again): The Body - Its Parts and Functions (Sniper Special Edition, Ver. 1.0)

Thing
Kadingus
Honey Pot
Schlong
Bazongas
Nads
Whatchamacallit
Nooky
Wee Wee
Hooters
Down There
Rear End
Dong
Johnson
Poontang

Next week: Building a Bigger, Better Vocabulary through Repetition (Saying Something Over and Over and Over Again): Getting Your Freak On (Sniper Special Edition, Ver. 1.0)

You forgot Wing Dang Doodle.

You forgot "cunt."

101Chairborne

You forgot "twat."

Rob_the_Asshole

Thank you, Zatoichi. The list may not be complete, even yet, but it has clearly been expanded in breadth, depth, and shimmering elegance.

Monte, you're up for a couple of funny flags

You and Zatoichi really warm up the bullpen.

Thanks, Doc!

Whose "We".

Any guesses as to how much longer CBS is going to keep her???
I bet she isn't there another six months.

Posted by danni at 2007-09-06 12:48 PM | Reply

Saw Couric do a live report a couple days ago from Iraq and she looked awful. She was trying to do the "gotta look like a legit female war zone reporter" routine with absolutely no make-up on, hair pulled back in a rubber band, khaki shirt, and, of course, the required "sweat on the brow" but it still didn't give her any credibility, war zone background or not.

I hope not. It's like The CBS Evening News With Gidget.

Let me re-phrase that. It IS The CBS Evening News With Gidget.

Posted by MaryTylerWhore at 2007-09-06 01:29 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Difference between Gidget and Katie Couric Gidget was Hot Couric is NOT.

Larry

Any guesses as to how much longer CBS is going to keep her???
I bet she isn't there another six months.

A little accidental "friendly fire" would always come in handy should the network need to find a way out of paying all those millions still due on Couric's contract. Sure saves the network on lawyers' fees and a messy legal dispute in court.

Difference between Gidget and Katie Couric Gidget was Hot Couric is NOT.

Larry

Are you going to change your blogger name to "Moondoggie" now?

...The Squinty Blowpop
The Slim Reaper
Jack Kerouwacker
The Naughtiest Cardinal
Master's Pincushion

Hans

Posted by Hans at 2007-09-06 02:26 PM |

And the name to which the ladies all refer to Hans' anatomical part is known as????

"The New York Post"

Guess that's the name the gals give GZ's hahahaha

Are you going to change your blogger name to "Moondoggie" now?

Posted by CalifChris at 2007-09-06 02:50 PM | Reply


Huhhhhhhhhhhhh???????????????

Larry

sperm thirsting stench trench?

......Bush is an idiot.......

.....a morally corrupt man leading a queer-mafia with the blood of hundreds of thousands on his hands......

......he bought his "estate" in Paraguay because he may have to move beyond extradition once his war crimes trials begin.........

And the name to which the ladies all refer to Hans' anatomical part is known as????

Posted by CalifChris


Tiny

Sorry... couldn't resist...

And the name to which the ladies all refer to Hans' anatomical part is known as????

Posted by CalifChris

Don't they all just cry, "Hans off, fool!"

RIGHTisRIGHT likes to call his -- my "Dow Jones"

TAXMAN -- my "calculator"

RIGHToCENTER - Hey baby, grab hold of my "pro bono"

***** Bush: 'We're Kicking Ass!'******

......its a part of the anatomy that Republicans know intimately......

"Actually I'd say he has a better grasp on reality than you do."

Wow, you're full of shit. He predicted Iraq would pay for itself. I predicted it wouldn't. Who, again, has a better grasp on reality?

"In the grand scheme of things 4.5 years ain't really all that long..."

It is when you sell a war based on "6 days, 6 weeks, I doubt six months."

Fact is, my DOG has a better grasp on reality than these clusterfuckups. They're either incredibly stupid or incredibly incompetent...of course, that doesn't rule out the possibility of both.

Cutie Couric sells the spin!

Rob's buying in.

It's the New and Improved Iraq!!

Twice as nice at half the price. Order yers today!

Dumbya the faux-cowboy in OZ saying "We're kicking ass"?

Spud'll put that right up there with...

"Safer but not safe"

"Last Throes"

"Turning the corner"

and of course....

"Mission Accomplished"

The fact that the AQ seem to be wearing out their welcome in some spots is certainly to be cheered but to believe that that changes any of the grim fundamentals here is wishful thinking.

Mad Ole Me purely rawks!

BOA is that you?

Be Well.

"We're kicking ass!"

Was there ever so sublime an expression of unadulterated hubris blended with arrant ignorance and a breathtaking absence of self-awareness?

"Was there ever so sublime an expression of unadulterated hubris blended with arrant ignorance and a breathtaking absence of self-awareness?"

Yup.

"Bring it on"

Sure, That Sounds Good In FANTASY LAND !!!

More Iraqis Were Killed Last Month (Over 2,000)

More US Troops Were Killed Last Month (Over 80)

The Government Went On Vacation

Sunnis Government Officials Left Vowed Never To Return

The GAO Report States Only 3 Bench Marks Were Completed Out Of 18

US Gen. Reports The Iraq Police Force Should Be Purdged And Reformed

140,000 Weapons Missing

350 Tons Of Explosives Missing

Less Water Than Prior To The Start Of The War

Less Power Than Prior To The Start Of The War

The Promised MRAPS Have Not Arrived And This Year Some US Troops Will Be Preparing For Thier 5th Tour Of Iraq, while Yellow Ass Cowards Like Puscubus Sit Home And Cheer On This BS !!

"It's A Mad House!"
-Taylor USA Astronaunt

-Sarge

"Cutie Couric sells the spin!"

She Knows Her Next Stop Is FOX NEWS, She Is On The Verge Of Getting Fired, She Probably Has A Deal On The Table Now Ready For When She Gets "Canned" By CBS That Is Why She Is Selling This BS !!

-Sarge

Bush: 'We're Kicking Ass!'

He forgot to mention the Shia militias are too.

No one ever accused Bush of being a statesman......

"It's called a vagina...It's not a dirty word, either."

Umm, that sort of depends on how well the vagina in question is maintained...

He said this to the Deputy Prime Minister at least, and not the Prime Minister.

CNN finally received a response from the WH:

"We can neither confirm or deny"

Cafferty File's asking viewers to write in on the question:

5 p.m.: Why would President Bush tell the Australian deputy prime minister, "We're kicking ass" in Iraq?

I'll have to check Cafferty's blog later to read some of the responses!

"how well the vagina in question is maintained"

Cooter inspection!

Hmmm... Looks like Stay the Course is actually working.

Posted by LastAmerican at

Funny Flag!!!

Are you going to change your blogger name to "Moondoggie" now?

Posted by CalifChris at 2007-09-06 02:50 PM | Reply


Huhhhhhhhhhhhh???????????????

Larry

Moondoggie -- the name of Gidget's surfer boyfriend in the original Gidget.

Oh fuck that no thanks Chris. I am way too fat to have a surfer name. I'd be afraid they would call the coast guard for a beached whale if I did that.

Larry

Larry you already used that. New simile, please.

Ok, Iraq was a jump off the roof with the rest of the US and its allies carried along. Why? Who knows. To accelerate the imperial Bush presidency? To gain access to Iraqi oil for Haliburton and Enron? Who knows? Where do we go from here?

Semprini

We're kickin ass.

Saudi 9/11 terrorists=12 dead
US Loss =3000 citizens dead+3000 military dead+660 Billion dollars

Wow, what a close game!

Dick-heads...

Why is it so hard for you Libs to even talk about the possibility that in some areas the situation in Iraq may be improving?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-09-06 10:35 AM |

Yeah I know this was from way earlier in the day, but could Rob maybe explain how "the situation may be ... improving" translates into "we're kicking ass"


This from the buffoon who claims it's easier to go to war than raise twins.

"but could Rob maybe explain how "the situation may be ... improving" translates into "we're kicking ass""

Ted, you may have to wait for his answer. Rob was given a week's vacation for his posts, attempting to prove he's not a douchebag.

Dan,

I thought he was trying to win the thread...well he did win the vacation for coming in second, or was it third behind 101?

It got confusing after a while.

101 was first in the time out box and then Rob followed.

Larry

What a drag.

When I'm at work, I work, so I seem to miss out on all the fun mid day happenings.

101 was first in the time out box and then Rob followed.

Their Mothers must be so proud.

Be Well.

I'm typically asleep during all the midday happenings...it was a rare treat to be able to participate in the reindeer games today.

Bush continues to make us look like fools here in the U.S.

Yesterday he thanked the Australian Prime Minister for inviting him to 'OPEC' - the room burst out in laughter...

Just a few seconds later he thanked him for sending the 'Austrian' military to help in Iraq.

Very few in the room could understand much else of what Bush had said in his speech and left shaking their heads.

Bush continues to make us look like fools here in the U.S.

Yesterday he thanked the Australian Prime Minister for inviting him to 'OPEC' - the room burst out in laughter...

Just a few seconds later he thanked him for sending the 'Austrian' military to help in Iraq.

Very few in the room could understand much else of what Bush had said in his speech and left shaking their heads.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY


Bush is an embarassment in the world and to most Americans. How anyone can still believe that he is suited for the presidency must be attributable to blind loyalty or to the simple inability to admit to having made a mistake in electing such a buffoon.

OF COURSE the room bursts out laughing when he speaks, because he is LAUGHABLE.

Oh, and to make matters worse, once Bush realized that he erred in his OPEC statement, he then went on to explain that the Australian Prime Minister had invited him to attend next years OPEC MEETING!!

An obvious lie, because next years APEC meeting will not be held in Australia.

What is there to criticize in this, Zatoichi?

Some numbnuts thinks that because someone invited the president to join them at next years OPEC meeting, that that person's country was the site of the meeting, and that Bush made some sort of mistake, thereby!

You subversives will go to any lengths to lie about the hated American: Bush; in order to support your terrorist friends in Iraq! Won't you, you faithless traitors?

No Rightist/Facist

We are not a member of, nor do we participate in any OPEC (Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries) meetings.

Get it? See, Bush not only lied about it, but got it wrong for a second time.

Boy, you Bush lovers win the boobie prize.

And I doubt any of us have ever met an Iraqi terrorist. But, we sure have seen idiots stand up for Bush when he's incapable of doing it for himself. You'll excuse anything as long as Bush did it.

LMAO !!!!!!!!!

Just in case you don't get it Tadowe, Bush made a fool of not only himself, but all Americans for electing such an incompetent fool.

I didn't vote for him in 2004, so that honor rests at your doorstep.

Looks like Bush had to much of that fine Australian beer at the Sydney Opera House.

So, they delayed his speech, so they could artificially fill front rows, to make it seem as if people were interested in his words on TV?

Those who attack fellow Americans to get votes for their gang of politicians during an active war are traitors for political power. They support the enemy, and since their goals of retreat and failure are the same as that of our enemy: Islamic terrorism to dominate the world under Islam.

They are subversives -- people who demeans and revile fellow Americans and the war being fought, right now, this instant, and so that they can profit in political power by losing to terrorists and terrorism ....

Disgusting scumsucking traitors -- not an iota of patriotism in their scurrilous minds -- except for slavish loyalty to their gang of lying, cowardly leadership ...

I guess the question on my mind is if Bush would have actually plummeted from teh Opera's stage if not for teh intervention of others.

AU goes on, "We are not a member of, nor do we participate in any OPEC (Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries) meetings."

And so ... how does that stop the Australian prime minister from inviting ...? Are you really this obsessed and heuristic about Bush? Or, are you just stupid?

That would explain the treason and subversive efforts -- you're just too stupid to understand how you (and your ilk) appear to others ...

How do you think you appear to others, Tad? Serious question.

What I know about Bush's performance in Australia is this: anyone I know having given it would be fired.

The idea that Bush is too important to be competent is one of those royalist ideas that have gotten us into so much trouble.

Zed asks, "How do you think you appear... ?"

To you and the ilk? Too funny! You'd call me a "patriot" if you could think of some way to make it an insult!!!

I'm surprised you cowards even bother to respond to someone with obvious loyalty to the United States!!!

Go suck some more terrorist pole you dupes of defeat!

I'm absolutely sure you're a patriot, Tad. Further, I've seen you make some good and interesting points. I've also seen you behave as if you were barking mad.

Zed, please allow me to give you a clue ...

I don't give one turd for your opinion of me ... I have absolutely no respect (whatsoever) for traitors and their ilk who attempt to gain political advantage for their gang, while demeaning, reviling and dehumanizing fellow Americans to do so!

Can you get that ... finally?

Of course you don't care about my opinion, Tad. It's just words on the screen. As are yours. Makes you wonder why we come here.

I understand that fortified and hyper-defended air base Bush dropped into---The one without Iraqis---is named Camp Cupcake.

My question is: did it get that name before or after Bush got there?

Zed replies, "Of course you don't care about my opinion, Tad. It's just words on the screen."

It isn't anything like that!

I don't have any respect for traitors to their nation, in order to gain votes and political power, and attack fellow Americans while they tacitly support the enemy we are fighting right now!

... and you know it! ...

"I understand that fortified and hyper-defended air base Bush dropped into---The one without Iraqis---is named Camp Cupcake."

Here is a perfect example! You make a mockery of the name of some camp, and use it to demean your president! --

"My question is: did it get that name before or after Bush got there?"

The name comes from the characterization of Leftist/Democratics and their monumental cowardice in the face of our enemy ....

You cowards already knew that, though, but can't help yourselves but to continue your efforts to revile our president and mock those who support this war ... so your faithless gang of subversive sheits can gain more votes ...

What despicable cowards and traitors they are!

Tadowe hits his stride after a slow start.

******I don't have any respect for traitors to their nation, in order to gain votes and political power, and attack fellow Americans while they tacitly support the enemy we are fighting right now!
TADOWE ******

.......so how do you feel about Bush protecting the Saudis who attacked us on 9/11..???.........

"The guy on the right is describing his mantool(TM) to Laura's smiling approval."

And the woman on the left is thinking "yeah, right, its not really all that Mrs. Bush".

You subversives will go to any lengths to lie about the hated American: Bush; in order to support your terrorist friends in Iraq! Won't you, you faithless traitors?

Posted by tadowe


Where do you suppose a person like this lives?

Terrorist friends in Iraq? What a whack job.

Midiman makes me the subject in desperation, "Where do you suppose a person like this lives?"

I live in Oregon ... why? Do you want to visit? Email me for the address ... scumsucker ...

"That would explain the treason and subversive efforts -- you're just too stupid to understand how you (and your ilk) appear to others ...

Posted by tadowe

Your endless ranting and raving about traitors is foolish

The 70% of America who want us out of Iraq and who disapprove of Bush are ALL traitors?

You have no idea how ridiculous you sound. Standing up to a president (as many Republicans are as well) is THE patriotic thing to do. Your rantings are just what have cost the lives of so many soldiers. Everyone but you is catching on that Bush hoodwinked America.

except for slavish loyalty to their gang of lying, cowardly leadership ...

Posted by tadowe at


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I live in Oregon ... why? Do you want to visit? Email me for the address ... scumsucker ...

Posted by tadowe


I am now comforted in knowing that you live far enough away, and in a state that makes your views essentially irrelevant, and therefore merely laughable.

I'd give Real Money if he Shut the F**k up!!

Q: How many days are left on his watch?

A: Too damn many...

"I live in Oregon ...

Posted by tadowe at 2007-09-07 08:51 AM"

Oh, fuck.

"mock those who support this war ..."

a taste of GOP medicine. Did they not try and mock those that did NOT support the war by calling them traitors?

A true Patriot is one that can dissent in time of War (by the way it is not a war but a CONFLICT).

If this president did not lie so much maybe we would support him.

I for one will always mock those who think that the path to peace lies through war.

GWB is the Emperor with no clothes.

Our President is an embarrassment to America and this Presidency cannot be over too soon.

Hurry Jan 20, 2009!

Let us all pray to our favorite deity that we Don't get fooled again!

take another swig of whiskey and spew some more venom there taddyboy!

Kicking ass. Tell this to the families who are losing and will be losing a dear one.
Tell this to the Iraqis who have a loved one killed.

Sounds like the WH is paraphrasing the "one legged man at the butt kicking contest".

"I'm........."

"Kicking ass. Tell this to the families who are losing and will be losing a dear one.
Tell this to the Iraqis who have a loved one killed."

What's your context? Bummed out about kids dying in battle or dying for oil? Big difference.

Send your 2 daughters in the mop-up force.

Really convince us.

Well I guess we will see how much ass kicking we are doing starting next week with the Petraus report.

We are not taking so many prisoners--we kill them.

And the military is doing a great job. Let's all pray for them and that they come home safe and sound.

But we will never leave Iraq altogether--we are there for --probably forever.

Murphy

"Posted by MURPHY at 2007-09-07 09:11 PM "

Jesus approves.