It would tickle Me to no end if Dubya was to face trial at The Hague for War Crimes. I would dance in the streets if that were to occur. The rotten bastard aught to pay for His crimes. Life without parole for the lot of them.

Larry

I'd throw rice and rosewater... organize parades... dance in the streets...

Nor should it.

I believe Bush and Cheney may very well be brought up on war crimes for Iraq and just wait until they lob the first ever pre-emptive nuclear hit on a country with whom they are not at war.

As much as I would like to see those two hanged by their balls, if the Democrats had control of the presidency and 2/3 majority in Congress, they will not indict. To do so would drag them down with him and for decades to come, discredit the image if an infallible central government. It would require a complete makeover composed of third parties.

As much as I would like to see those two hanged by their balls, if the Democrats had control of the presidency and 2/3 majority in Congress, they will not indict. To do so would drag them down with him and for decades to come, discredit the image if an infallible central government. It would require a complete makeover composed of third parties.

Good post Ray. The Democrats are making the right move for reasons you describe as well as being smart enough to know they'll never get the necessary 2/3 majority. Why should the muddy themselves for something they have no hope of getting. They aren't that stupid.

Ray's post could not have been phrased better.

Only to add, anyone who signed off on it to begin
with would also share scrutiny and association/
responsibility toward the decision and thus possibly
subject to a world court. Meaning members of
congress.

They aren't that stupid

This Hentoff guy... is he from the year 2350?

I read Hentoff at least 8 times a year in Free Inquiry and oher publications. His writing is very thought provoking.

Nat still thinks that fetuses are people. Other than that, he's quite sound in such realms as civil liberties. No, he's not from 2350 and no, he doesn't *know* how history will treat Bush. But if Hitler and Tamerlane, Ivan the Terrible and Idi Amin are precedent, we can surely make some inferences. herm

If Guantanamo is a "crime against humanity", it'll be the first one in the history of the world where the inmates gained weight, enjoyed full access to their holy books and religious services, weight rooms, swimming pools, and lawyers. By contrast, if Bush should go to war crimes trials for Gitmo and Afghanistan, seems only fair to make sure that French and Belgian prison wardens be sent up first. Compared to almost any prisons on earth--American included--Gitmo isn't a bad deal.

Thanks for reminding me, early in the thread, why I simply refuse to take liberals seriously. Hitler, Ivan the Terrible, Idi Amin--"we can make some inferences".

Yes, we sure can. We can infer all kinds of things about those who pretend there is a precedent we can take from Adolf Hitler, and apply it to George Bush. Still--let's have some more fun. If Bush and Adolf Hitler are roughly equivalent, then today's Democratic majority in Congress could be, hmmm, the Reichstag? After all, are they not also guilty, for rubber-stamping der Fuhrer's budget requests?

Godwin's Law, invoked again.

RR,
Comparing Bush to Hitler?
The part about inmates gaining weight, and swimming pools was just rediculous, but the Bush/Hitler thing was pretty cool.

Bush is a war criminal who deserves to rot in a cell for the rest of his life.

Same as Cheny and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz and Rove and ...wot the hell throw Bill Kristol in there too.

They've sold out to corporate greed, they've practically destroyed the constitution and they've no right to continue holding onto the reigns of power.

This notion that BushCo's war will be treated kindly by history is absolute nonsense.

Be Well.

War criminals.
Thieves.
Mass Murderers.
Terrorists.

I think that in light of the political changes taking place in S. America they may eventually regret any thought that they will escape to that continent. I believe that within twenty years there will be no sanctuary for the Bush family anywhere on the planet, and rightly so. They are war criminals and RisR can pretend differently but approximately 1,000,000 corpses in Iraq tell a different story. Secret prisons tell a different story. I just really don't see how righties can ignore reports from international bodies like the Red Cross. They want to believe their leaders are not corrupt in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. Wishful thinking hasn't brought success in Iraq or Afghanistan and it won't make the crimes against humanity go away either.

I just really don't see how righties can ignore reports from international bodies like the Red Cross. They want to believe their leaders are not corrupt in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

Posted by danni at 2007-09-03 09:05 AM | Reply

Danni, you're the one living in Fantasy World.

War crimes? The Hague? Hiding in South America?

*spit* stroke, stroke, stroke.

I have no doubt that the U.S. has subbed out some interrogations to other countries where they use more persuaive means than water-boarding. The truth is that war is an ugly, messy thing and often there are nasty people we have to deal with for the long-term success. Specially when our enemies have no standards of human decency.

Plenty of enemy soldiers in World War II surrendered to advancing American troops, for example, and were executed on the spot. the objective was victory and there was no provision for prisoners.

You want reality? Most of the world is more like Darfur than McDonald's. But you keep playing your fantasy games and pretending that the world is a happy, kind and loving place. Surely you will never be disappointed.

LOL. Okay.

Can you teach me to be real smart like you, Sarge?

I didn't think Right Wingers were trainable. Am I wrong??

Larry

You're not capable, RR.

Yeah sure Vernon, we should have no restraints whatsoever and just allow our government to do "whatever is necessary." Oh, and then when someone compares them to Nazis we will pretend outrage too.

All you guys that would party at the war crime trial are nuckin futs.

You need to get over your blind hate of the current administration and put both feet firmly back on planet earth.

Oh, and then when someone compares them to Nazis we will pretend outrage too.

Posted by danni
* * * *

It's not outrage. It's amusement. I've toured Auschwitz and Dachau. THAT'S an outrage. You could also say it's an outrage that prisoners of war have better facilities and treatment than Americans incarcerated for marijuana possession.

But when DR libs compare Bush to Hitler, or claim the 9/11 planes didn't exist, or talk about "war for oil", or whenever the thread is about economics--it's just funny.

What planet are you writing from Sniper?

I didn't think Right Wingers were trainable. Am I wrong??

Larry

Posted by LarryMohr
* * * *

No, that's pretty much right. By the time someone reaches that particular higher state of consciousness, all the training has been done, and there's little else to learn.

Still, YOU learned something today.

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH OMFG HAHAHAHHAHAHAH RIR now THAT is too Hilarious for words.

Larry

Gee Thanks RIR I laughed so hard I choked on a pickle. Thanks alot.

Larry

But when DR libs compare Bush to Hitler,
Posted by rightisright at 2007-09-03 10:17 AM

Both have the distinguished record of invading a major non-threatening country on false pretenses and dragging their respective countries into a losing war while damaging their country in the process. THAT'S an outrage! And it's not funny.

What planet are you writing from Sniper?

Posted by Ray

Are you telling me there is no blind hate for Bush down there on planet earth?

Both have the distinguished record of invading a major non-threatening country on false pretenses and dragging their respective countries into a losing war while damaging their country in the process. THAT'S an outrage! And it's not funny.

Posted by Ray
* * * *

Uh huh.

You know something? They both liked dogs, too.

You have to be blind NOT to hate a man who has wrecked two ME countries so far.. And worse, he's bankrupting this country and trashed the Constitution. He's a one man wrecking machine. None are so blind as those who will not see.

RR
They both have another thing in common: divorced from reality with no moral conscience. Just like you.

"But when DR libs compare Bush to Hitler, or claim the 9/11 planes didn't exist, or talk about "war for oil", or whenever the thread is about economics--it's just funny."

it's not funny, it is sad.

The fact that they can freely compare Bush to Hitler proves that Bush is not Hitler in any sense.

Yes, it is true they are two different people. Your insight is impressive Bowa.

If y'all scroll up a bit you would see that my comment was in response to Vernon's justification for torture. You guys want to say torture is ok then fine but you will also have to realize that you are sharing the "end justifies the means" thinking of other repressive regimes. You can't have it both ways. Either you reject the tactics employed by the dictatorships of the past or you don't.

Any word on whether or not Bush might be a vegetarian?

You guys want to say torture is ok then fine but you will also have to realize that you are sharing the "end justifies the means" thinking of other repressive regimes. You can't have it both ways. Either you reject the tactics employed by the dictatorships of the past or you don't.

Posted by danni
* * * *

I say it isn't fine when a dictator murders hundreds of thousands of his own citizens. I say it isn't fine when same dictator finances terrorist operations against Western countries.

But to read the threads over the past few years, many of the liberals on here would have had us return Saddam Hussein to power, with an apology, because it turns out that his WMD program wasn't as advanced as we had previously thought.

Seems strange. But I guess it's only us right-tighty's who can't have it both ways, eh?

Any word on whether or not Bush might be a vegetarian?

There are rumors he likes the smell of burning Muslim flesh.

I say it isn't fine when a dictator murders hundreds of thousands of his own citizens. I say it isn't fine when same dictator finances terrorist operations against Western countries.

Another fine piece of one way logic from RR.

Any word on whether or not Bush might be a vegetable?

Any word on whether Bush has only one testicle?

Any word on whether Bush has only one testicle?

It takes two swollen balls to get that kind of bulge in his pants.

we should have no restraints whatsoever and just allow our government to do "whatever is necessary."

Posted by danni at 2007-09-03 09:59 AM | Reply

You rant with hatred against the administration, but ignore the fact that your freedom of speech is built on the blood and suffering of millions, on both sides: American and your anti-american friends.

You screech about coal mines making a profit, and then turn up the a/c when it gets hot. You bitch about oil companies, but drive to the store for groceries.

You want to pretend in your mind that the whole world is cozy and easy, like Florida. That's a common attitude for insulated fools.

I never said that "anything goes" but I did say that most of the world is ugly and cruel. And in order to preserve your soft, cushy lifestyle, we sometimes have to be ugly and cruel to our adversaries. It's being done for you, because you demand it.

Now Danni, turn off the computer and go fly a pretty kite. Just like they did in bagdhad before the invasion.

Well, I don't really know what "one-way logic" is. But I know that Adolf Hitler built concentration camps that killed 7 million, and that his invasion of the Soviet Union alone cost 30 million killed on both sides. So when I hear that Bush and Hitler both "damaged their respective countries", I have to wonder where the hell is your sense of proportion. But I'll play along.

Germany. Hmmmm. Daylight bombing raids by American air forces, nighttime by the Brits. 5 million German troops killed or wounded. All but one major German city firebombed, followed by an occupation by Allied forces which cut the country in two for over 50 years. Total of 35 million dead in the ETO, including 6 million Jews, a million gypsies, and hundreds of thousands of homosexuals or those with birth defects--the latter of these murdered in assembly-line death factories, then burned in massive ovens. Whereas in America . . . um . . . Bush in the high thirties in opinion polling, and fewer casualties in four years of conflict than we suffered in the first twenty minutes of D-Day. In terms of GDP, still the cheapest war in American history.

Yes, you've convinced me. Let the trials begin!!!

RR
Hitler and Bush differ on matters of degree. Is that so hard to grasp? Can you at least admit some of the parallels? Probably not.

He's a one man wrecking machine. None are so blind as those who will not see
RAY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ray, one man alone could not do this much damage.

Think about it for a minute.

To pin this solely on Bush enables the rest of them to slip back into the shadows from where they came.

Henry Kissinger is but one comes to mind.
All of Bush's "advisors," have a stake in this as well.

There are many individuals, in both low and very high places of influence who have come together to direct, (or allow, whichever way one views it) this situation to become what it is at this very moment.

We (as a nation) have allowed the media to intentionally misinform, while at the same time diverting attention from the real issue, perpetuating lie after lie without being held accountable.

Bush is the figurehead, while those who finance and "advise" him are the "real" perpetuators of what is taking place.

"Whispers in the ear, and a blank check in the hand, can make one a very dangerous man."

As for history absolving anyone.....those who have the money, and own the presses/media outlets, write history as they see fit, while the ignorant believe what they read , usually without question.

Hitler and Bush differ on matters of degree. Is that so hard to grasp? Can you at least admit some of the parallels? Probably not.

Posted by Ray
* * * *

So different in degree, as to be different in kind.

No, the only parallels I see here are with the hard-righties who thought Bill Clinton was evil incarnate, and the hard-lefties who believe the same of Bush. No American president even on his worst day approaches what passes for a typical dictator from elsewhere in the world. As bad as Nixon was, no rational person would have preferred life in Soviet Russia at the time. As egregious as some of Roosevelt's constitutional abuses, no sane individual would consider him in the same light as a Tojo or a Mussolini or a Hitler or a Stalin. Hell--living in Bush's America is preferable to even the South of France, if Hollywood liberals' pre-election promises--then their eventual mailing addresses--are anything to go by.

I believe it was a mistake to invade Iraq--we should have invaded Saudi Arabia instead. But a crime against humanity? That would be the unique province of Saddam Hussein. Sorry if that's all too middle-of-the-road for you.

I have a book by nat hentoff and I will be throwing into the trash can in the next few minutes.
it wasnt that good anyway.......

Sorry if that's all too middle-of-the-road for you.

Middle-of-the-road???? By far you are not middle of the road, you are extreme far far right with little understanding of things you consider beneath you.

An common sense individual can clearly understand and see the similar parallels of comparisons to Hitler/BUSH without insighting extremes.

Crimes against humanity, well tens of thousands have died because of this Iraq war which by all accounts was a BUSH error. It seems funny that such an error costing thousands of lives in your mind is not a crime.

Clearly shows the societal developement of moral and ethical compass.

I have a book by nat hentoff and I will be throwing into the trash can in the next few minutes.

I have a Book with a picture of BLT and I have it hanging in a cage off the edge of my toilet bowl so it get swirled with crap on every flush!

He's a one man wrecking machine. None are so blind as those who will not see
RAY
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Ray, one man alone could not do this much damage.

Think about it for a minute.
Posted by Americanfirst at 2007-09-03 11:46 AM

Don't be so literal. If you thought for a minute, you would have recognized it as hyperbole.

Good post Am1.

I've said before that Bush's failing is that he doesn't do his own homework. Still he has claimed to be the Decider, and I don't doubt that he is, so ultimately he takes both the credit and the blame.

I think the parallels with dictators focuses too much on the respective carnage, and fails to acknowledge that Bush is a True Believer and thus Righteous in his actions even if they fall outside the prevailing law. That puts him a level higher than the "Ends Justify the means" guys. A bit scary when you think about it.

What makes this all the more damning is his sense of entitlement. With less than 50% of the popular vote he came into office with a Mandate. King George. God Damn the King. LOL

"the American perpetrators of crimes against humanity in Guantanamo, Iraq, Afghanistan, and the CIA's secret prisons,"

Afghanistan? When someone tries to tell me that we are in Iraq and Afghanistan are part of the same war (in order to defend us being in Iraq), I call them a moron.

Well I have to say that someone who calls our presence in Afghanistan a "crime" is a moron too. The alternative to retaliating against huge attacks on our civilian population is to tell others they can murder us with impunity Supporters of such a policy are morons.

Sorry if that's all too middle-of-the-road for you.

Posted by rightisright at 2007-09-03 11:55 AM

No. You show little ability for critical thinking.

Sully

Are the people who attacked us still in Afghanistan? Who are we looking for there?

"Are the people who attacked us still in Afghanistan? Who are we looking for there?"

Some of them are. I don't have a list and its hard to say if our government does either, since it lost interest in this war almost before it started. Hopefully our next administration does a much better job of it. Certainly we have an interest in making sure the former Afghani goverment, who lent logistical support to the attack, doesn't take over once we leave. Hopefully our next administration will take this seriously. Our last 2 presidents haven't and we've seen the result.

Bob, are you asking me questions because you don't know the answers or because you think you are making some sort of point by asking them?

Bob, are you asking me questions because you don't know the answers or because you think you are making some sort of point by asking them?

Posted by Sully at 2007-09-03 12:50 PM |


Both. I don't know who we are looking for in Afghanistan, and you don't either. I haven't heard anything from our government about who we are looking for either. How will we know when we find them?

If you don't see the point, this discussion is over. The point is if we have no goals in Afghanistan and if we have nothing to accomplish in Afghanistan, WTF are we doing in Afghanistan?

Where is your proof that Afghanistan lent support to the attacks, and what is your proof that Osama was involved?

Sometimes a threshold of malfeasance is reached whereby it seems inevitable that there must be consequences. That is my feeling about the Bush-Cheney administration. They have lied and dissembled for so long, - they have started a war which has killed hundreds of thousands, - they have tried to hide all wrongdoing through a refusal to cooperate with lawful oversight, - they have engaged in so many shady no-bid contracts, and so forth. The shit is piled so high, it just seems that one way or another it must come tumbling down. And I am not necessarily talking about the Congress or a future Democratic administration being the cause. I am just saying that when this many lies and evil doing is perpetrated for this long, the shit will hit the fan. I just don't know what direction it will come from. Possibly from a disaffected former ally. Or maybe an unforseen leak. Or maybe some other source which nobody at this juncture could have foreseen.
I just can't imagine Cheney or Bush living happily ever after unscathed after all the evil they have perpetrated.

I'm not sure any of us will live happily ever after, after all this, Moder8.

We have been screwed big-time, probably for longer than I have time left.

Terrorists and liberals hate George Bush because they are losers.

Hentoff is a simple jerk, who is judgemental and a very hateful man. Also, he is misinformed, since "the Nurenburg Trials," so-called, were only a modern manifestation, ritualized, of long-standing practice of the victors punishing the losers if they obtained the power to do so.

It used to be that the winners might decapitate the losers, or their leaders, and put their heads on piles, or hang them and allow birds to pick at their boides as carrion, or otherwise demonstrate their glee at succesful conquest.

Mr. Hentoff for all of his sense of sophistication, is quite a simple man since he seems to believe that the process has somehow been reformed. Jerkwater Hentoff, the "war crimes" are the lot of losers. No one has power over Americans.

All of the restrictions are artidically imposed.

Remember that Americans and Brits could have been punished after WWII for such "crimes" as the fire bombing of Dresden. You can always find "crimes" and "justifications for actions." What mindless babble issues from the other-worlders who inhabit the dimension of The Village Voice, and publish material in their other world publication as if it were not nonsensical. Are they nutty? Yes indeed.

There is surely hate for Bush on Planet America, but it's hardly blind hate. Inded, anyone who doesn't hate Bush isn't reading the papers.

This is rational hate, logical, rational, well-considered hate, and maybe it should be focused at the minority that voted for Bush, at the appalling crooks who made this man's theft of power possible, at those who didn't see the disasterous effect Bush would have on our entire planet.

But these are fairly sophisticated concepts. Bush makes an acceptable symbol. So we hate Bush. Any questions? Any retorts from the great unwashed right? herm

Some of the Bush-hating is flowing from the pool of self-loathing that liberals are known for.

For example, Belafonte made a fool of himself by admiring Fidel Castro over George Bush. He said Colin Powell and Condi Rice were house servants. A rational person would think Bill Clinton treated Betty Curie like a slave to procure Monica Lewinsky for his White House pleasure.

Bush restored dignity to the White House. As clear as day and night. I hope you can see better now.

"Bush restored dignity to the White House. As clear as day and night. I hope you can see better now."

Oh my gawd!!!! Bush RESTORED dignity? Where? How? When? If this post is not a spoof, everything I''ve read on the DR in my two years or so has been in vain. herm

"Bush restored dignity to the White House. "
Posted by takitez at 2007-09-03 09:30 PM Flag: sheer idiocy

Bush restored dignity to the White House.

That was EXACTLY what I thought when W said that former AG Gonzales' testimony was OK.

The same testimony where he said "I don't recall" over 40 times.

I have a Book with a picture of BLT and I have it hanging in a cage off the edge of my toilet bowl so it get swirled with crap on every flush!




Posted by moneywar at 2007-09-03 12:13 PM


wow thats a good one.......where did you pick that up? some kindegarten somewhere?

"Bush restored dignity to the White House. "
Posted by takitez at 2007-09-03 09:30 PM

...like when he hired a horse judge to be head of FEMA;

...like when he nominated an incompetent crony to be a SCOTUS nominee;

...like when he re-named torture "robust interrogation" and "enhanced interrogation techniques" and even with evidence of rendition by the CIA, had the gall to look into the camera and say "we don't torture;"

...like when he stages every public appearance with hand-picked audiences who sign promises to cheer on cue;

...like when he claimed Iraq had WMDs with what turned out to be no evidence;

...like when he ran and hid at Barksdale AFB on September 11, 2001;

...like when he mangles the English language at every opportunity;

...like when he made fun of our soldier's deaths in Iraq by joking about "no WMDs here" in looking under tables at the WH correspondent's dinner;

...like when he had his AG and cronies try to manipulate Ashcroft into agreeing to torture suspects;

...like when his daughters get busted for underage drinking;

...like when he spends about 2 months a year on vacation;

...like when he refuses to veto a single bill for six years--when the republicans held the congressional majority--but now finds the mortal outrage to complain about pork and congressional duty now that the democrats have the majority;

...like when he framed every argument as "you're either with us or you're against us."


I'd rather he had the "dignity" to resign in the disgrace he has earned.

...or the ever-popular "Bring 'em on."

"Where is your proof that Afghanistan lent support to the attacks, and what is your proof that Osama was involved?"

Bob - Al Queda had been attacking us for years while using Afghanistan as a base with the full consent of the Taliban. They've admitted to every attack they've perpetrated and have always promised more. The Taliban had advanced knowledge of 9/11 and hosted Al Queda right through all the planning. After the attack, they were given the choice to hand Al Queda over and chose to fight for them instead. If you can't see how that makes the Taliban an accessory that is your shortcoming.

We remained ignorant of this problem for years and there were two results:

1) 9/11. We had been attacked multiple times with a promise of a new, bigger attack each time. Americans remained apathetic and ignorant to the problem. Our president's main concern was celebrity and he governed according to the polls. So since we didn't care, he didn't either. We let these people attack us with impunity and 9/11 resulted.

2) Iraq. Because the American public chose to remain ignorant to the problem, our next president, an amoral imbecile, was able to convince more than half of us that Iraq was repsonsible for 9/11. If we had been paying attention, that would have been impossible.

Sticking our head in the sand and pretending these guys don't exist has been very costly. This is why people like yourself who should know better but promote ignorance anyway are so annoying.

" If we had been paying attention, that would have been impossible."

I put some blame on the media for this. Why on earth they didn't scream THAT'S A LIE everytime Bush conflated Saddam and 9/11 is beyond me.

""A rational person would think Bill Clinton treated Betty Curie like a slave to procure Monica Lewinsky for his White House pleasure.""

TAKEITEZ just makes shit up as he goes along. Monica Lewinski admitted she intended to seduce Bill Clinton from her first day at the White House and then plotted with Linda Tripp to make it happen.

Danni,

""A rational person would think Bill Clinton treated Betty Curie like a slave to procure Monica Lewinsky for his White House pleasure.""

TAKEITEZ just makes shit up as he goes along. Monica Lewinski admitted she intended to seduce Bill Clinton from her first day at the White House and then plotted with Linda Tripp to make it happen.


As governor, Bill Clinton repeatedly utilized the state police as an envoy (they'd transport his floozies to wherever Clinton was going to be) for all of his extra-marital affairs.

Essentially, you are correct in regards to Monica specifically, but Takeitz wasn't pulling this out of thin air either.

I wish I'd had the energy to compile Sambarber's wonderful list. It's at least chapter one in the history of White House indignities 2001-2009 and I think should be a running thread for the next 400 days. herm

Since Herm and the Libs are around trying to compare Bush to Hitler (Yet again... i guess their Retardation is acting up again. Doesn't that mean 6 more weeks of Summer?), I figured I would repost this...

Just to show how batshit crazy you fucking retards are:

Nobel Winner: 'I Would Love to Kill George Bush'
Not so dumb. My little kaffeeklatsch circle abhors capital punishment, the killing of another human being for any crime whatsoever. We agree that Eichmann and the various US serial killers should have been spared. But there's real room for discussion in one case: how about George W. Bush? MORE MASS MURDERS than Hitler or Stalin, except that Hitler did it for the German race, Stalin for the working class. Bush did it to retain the presidency. A Demo congress, an impeachment, a conviction, a criminal trial ...How about some dialog? herm

Posted by herm at 2006-07-24 11:48 PM


Bold and caps added by me...

There is surely hate for Bush on Planet America, but it's hardly blind hate.

Really?

how about George W. Bush? MORE MASS MURDERS than Hitler or Stalin

Posted by herm at 2006-07-24 11:48 PM

We remained ignorant of this problem for years and there were two results:

1) 9/11. We had been attacked multiple times with a promise of a new, bigger attack each time. Americans remained apathetic and ignorant to the problem. Our president's main concern was celebrity and he governed according to the polls. So since we didn't care, he didn't either. We let these people attack us with impunity and 9/11 resulted.

2) Iraq. Because the American public chose to remain ignorant to the problem, our next president, an amoral imbecile, was able to convince more than half of us that Iraq was repsonsible for 9/11. If we had been paying attention, that would have been impossible.

Sticking our head in the sand and pretending these guys don't exist has been very costly. This is why people like yourself who should know better but promote ignorance anyway are so annoying.


Posted by Sully


Great post. Americans seem to thrive on ignorance. You post makes sense in that WE as Americans are to be blamed for OUR choices in who we vote for and our own APATHY.

As far as I am included.......guilty as charged.

Wow. Lots of feelings.