...to the fact that HE IS FUCKING GAY.

Who cares whether he is gay or not. I love a good political scandal.

In national politics, war crimes mean nothing. But get involved in a sex scandal and all bets are off.

This horse is pretty much dead...just a coupla more whacks oughta do...

another jerk bits the dust......

hey i got an idea,,,any congressperson no matter which party who is convicted of or pleads to any crime should resign.....
how about that?

In national politics, war crimes mean nothing. But get involved in a sex scandal and all bets are off.

Posted by Ray

We agree, Ray, that war crimes really do matter... but until such time as Bush and Cheney are led to the Hague in chains we will have to make do.

As for this creep Craig, let us not hold our breath until he comes out of the closet.

Ray, you are more right than you may know.

Just goes to show what the American people are all about -- or, at the very least, what the Republican party is all about. Possible war crimes? Eh... Gay sex? Burn that fucker at the stake. I'd like to think that if Craig was caught, say, soliciting a prostitute, he'd still be around.

...to the fact that HE IS FUCKING GAY.

Posted by evashogouki at 2007-09-01 01:12 PM | Reply


Queers on the Left are heroes and entitled to special preferences. But on the Right they are evil for their carnal desires.
-Eva

... all he had to is decline voting on some issues... and keep his trap shut... fucking closet slut... all that bean waxing and ultimately he just screwed himself...

I think I will show the man some modicum of compassion and commiserate that this society of ours allows him no socially acceptable way to express his true sexuality other than to cruise public restrooms for his tawdry assignations. There were so many other less-conspicuous ways for him to satiate his desires without resorting to that kind of seedy behavior.

We agree, Ray, that war crimes really do matter... but until such time as Bush and Cheney are led to the Hague in chains we will have to make do.

As long as voters blindly vote for either of the two parties, there won't be any chance of relief.

There is another axiom in national politics. The more they fuck up the nation, the better the chance of re-election. Voters treat Washington as if it was inhabited by gods. Sad!

"But on the Right they are evil for their carnal desires."

Vern's incredible fucking stupidity never ceases to amaze.

oh hell in about two years his wife will have left him... he will come to terms with his truth... find true love and be another onld rich white guy living with his lover in SF CA

I am so not resigning...

if you have to do it in a public bathroom, is it true love or lust?

Queers on the Left are heroes and entitled to special preferences. But on the Right they are evil for their carnal desires.
-Eva

If being treated with equality under the law is a "special preference" to you, then so be it. No one from the left has labeled Larry Craig as anything but another human being in denial of just who he really is. And seeing as how he's spent the majority of his political life vocalizing views that actively demonize, discriminate and criminalize those like himself, he's a pathetic victim of his own excesses in more ways than one.

What the right always fails to see is that their very obsession with being so fervently anti-gay only forces otherwise decent people into indecent situations because they're afraid to be who they are out in the open like the rest of us. They wouldn't need to troll restrooms and nature parks if society let them interact normally like the rest of us do socially, without fear of osterization.

If you want to stop deviant behavior, then stop treating what is normal for some as though its abhorent, because only a minority of people ascribe to its particular reality.

Vermin: As usual your thinking is mile wide but only 1/2 inch deep.

The reason we are all over Craig, is not because he's gay, but because HE'S A FUCKING HYPOCRITE!!!

And please Vermin, name one "special preference" gays are asking for.

Red State Update on Larry Craig:

www.youtube.com

Posted by Dave

Great Dave ! Thanks !

Actually I think this is great... Rove probably set him up... to buy a little time for Bushling to push his attack Iran venture... I mean there is nothing like a blow job or discussion about a blow job to divert attention.

Bush: you may be on to something, Craig gutted Bush's Evesdropping/Spy bill of some of it's more draconian measures.

welllllllllllll if Suzanne Craig had been more of a woman... a better wife.... ya know... wink wink nudge say no more...

Ya gotta love the irony... some guy named Butch is going to replace him.... you just can't make this stuff up...

I think a lot of this could be avoided if women just learned to swallow.

i think there is a chance that it was Rove in the other stall

BRiWO reputzes eat their own

I think a lot of this could be avoided if women just learned to swallow.

I guess you are inferring that guys swallow? Interesting...

Briwo says, "The reason we are all over Craig, is not because he's gay, but because HE'S A FUCKING HYPOCRITE!!!"

I guess that is the decided advantage to being a democrat. If you have no values and no principles, you can't really be a hypocrite. Incidentally, both Foley and Crag left power after being involved in a legal and consentual activity....wonder why a certain democrat president didn't do the same? What about Barney "I have a gay prostitute ring being run out of my house" Frank going to step down?

Remember Rick Santorum? Now only remembered as the frothy mix of fecal matter and lubricant.

Maybe illicit toilet sex can be called getting Craiged.

citizen, you neglect to mention that craig pled guilty to a crime. But we know that laws do not matter to republicans

Non-Citizen: I just love the extra large broad brush you paint libs with. I suppose you can prove most libs have no values and no principles?

It's Cons like you that give rational members of you party a bad name.


Bush: I lived in SF for 10 yrs, I have tons of gay friends andnwould often be the only straight male a party with over 100 people. They trusted me and let their hairdown(so to speak)and yes they swallow, love to as a matter of fact. They're gay.
Believe me, I heard all the stories.

Thanks BRIWO ! We have gay friends, our daughter/son-in-
law(Republicans)have gay friends,
these we welcome in our homes... homophobes ? No, they are not welcome.

Ah yes..."a crime". So, because an act is "a crime" if you do it, you should be kicked out of office? (Let's remember, he plead guilty to 'disturbing the peace' nothing more. Apparently, he nudged someone under a stall with the intention of asking them to engage in a consentual sex act. Suppose he had went to a bar and asked some nice girl there to engage in a consentual sex act. Suppose that he was the president and asked an intern to engage in a consentual sex act?

As to Briwo, I think it is funny that your "retort" is that George Bush is gay....based upon your anecdotal evidence. (Unless you are going to produce a stained blue suit....that evidence and fifty cents wouldn't get you through the door at Starbucks.)

My challenge to you is if "gay is ok" then why aren't the dems ralleying around Craig, Folley, and the like..to help them and assure them there is nothing wrong with being gay.

Yomelib: Couldn't agree more.

(and said son-in-law would shake his head at A_Citizen's post... same vein as the religeous nuts saying that atheists have no morals.... I guess that ignorance is a Family Value ?).

not out to debate with you citizen, like me fighting an unarmed man. was merely pointing out that you didnt tell the whole truth, you were shading the facts. nasty nasty

NonCitizen: What kind of medication are you on? Where did I say Bush was gay?

And, Obtuse Boy, I told you why we aren't rallying around them. One is a hypocrite and the other a pedophile. What I wonder about is Repubs who would defend such behavior.

A Citizen, what you've in essence written is that the "right" has morals and principles, but that they don't actually abide by them themselves. Think about that for a moment, please. The Democrats don't seem to be the ones setting themselves up as the moral authority. If they did, you'd see the same outrage here for their indiscretions as you see with Larry Craig.

Best quote, paraphrased from Bill Maher, is that it's people like Larry Craig that force people like Larry Craig to seek sex in a men's room.

And as if this needs to be pointed out to Vern and Cit (yeah, it probably does...again...and again): that Craig is apparently gay isn't the issue -- at all -- it's that he has a history of actively campaigning against gays, and sexual indiscretion (Bill Clinton, anyone?). Hypocracy. Why can't you people actually reach this conclusion on your own? Oh, yeah, that's right: it takes the wind out of your anti-Dem/Lib rants, and we can't have that.

My challenge to you is if "gay is ok" then why aren't the dems ralleying around Craig, Folley, and the like..to help them and assure them there is nothing wrong with being gay.

Posted by A_Citizen

Not a thing in the world wrong with gay.... i.e. with sexual activity in the privacy of their home.

Preying on alter boys, senate pages and performing sex acts/overtures in public places is not correct for any of us !

"Ah yes..."a crime". So, because an act is "a crime" if you do it, you should be kicked out of office? (Let's remember, he plead guilty to 'disturbing the peace' nothing more. Apparently, he nudged someone under a stall with the intention of asking them to engage in a consentual sex act. Suppose he had went to a bar and asked some nice girl there to engage in a consentual sex act. Suppose that he was the president and asked an intern to engage in a consentual sex act?
- ACitizen"

Well, we know what would happen if he were the president and engaging in consensual sex - he'd be impeached by Republicans who are only concerned with holding onto power.

Well, that's one gone (two if you count Rove).

Maybe Lindsey Graham will be next?

Briwo - Sorry, I misunderstood what came after "Bush:" I thought that was directed at something else...not "bushskank" sorry for the misunderstanding.

As to defending the behavior....certainly I do not. I think it is humorous that the dems are so pleased about this. (And dismissing Foley as a pedophile???? Hate to tell you, but I believe the pages he was propositioning were of legal age to consent to such an act.)

Eva,

I am quite aware of what I said. Let me be clear...Craig and his ilk should be run out of politics. Cliton discusted me for the same reason. I personally want to respect my leaders...not be embarassed by them. What I am pointing out is that because of how the dems are positioned, they have the easy row to hoe...no morals, no principles, can't get caught in such a situation.

Yome -

Clinton lied. That was OK because it was just about sex. Besides he did such a good job that there are those who are willing to go so far to say that he wasn't lying. Jeffers has been caught
with his hand in the deep freeze and no one cares. Byrd was a member of the Klan, and Kennedy killed that poor girl at the river. Where is the outrage of those dems with that moral compass? The list goes on and on.

Yome,

"Not a thing in the world wrong with gay.... i.e. with sexual activity in the privacy of their home."


Works for me. Suprises me to see that posted here. I would have thought that the whole point was to be allowed to be gay "out of their home." Hence the need for public recognition of their union (i.e. marriage, civil unions, etc.) But, hey...in their home is not too bad. Just one step out of the "closet" I suppose. Agian...interesting that a dem would offer that standard.

And may I conclude by saying that the 40 years the GOP spent in the wilderness was but a preview of coming attractions !

(no reflection intended on moderates... though they had no talent for winning nor stealing elections).

Cit: Some of Foley's targets we technically of legal age. But is that what it come down to? In some States the age of consent is very young. Is it OK for your 16 yr old child to be propositioned for or have sex with a 45 yr old man?

Regardless of the age of consent is a 16 yr old really in a position to consent to a sexual relationship with a 45 yr old man?

Now add to the equation, this was a man of power and authority, and a Representative of his constituents, most of whom I beleive do not think sex between 16 yr olds and a 45 yr old publc servant is OK.
Therefore, not only is he mentally ill, but he is not representing his people.

Being technically "legal" does not always make it right, or moral.

I mean if you're just trolling for grins, I apologize for the attack, but c'mon man, surely you can see the difference.

"Clinton lied. That was OK because it was just about sex. Besides he did such a good job that there are those who are willing to go so far to say that he wasn't lying. Jeffers has been caught
with his hand in the deep freeze and no one cares. Byrd was a member of the Klan, and Kennedy killed that poor girl at the river. Where is the outrage of those dems with that moral compass? The list goes on and on.

Posted by A_Citizen"

ACitizen, I remember the outrage over Kennedy. There was a lot of it. But let's try and stay in the present. It seems to me that aside from Bill Clinton having an affair - something that a large number of Americans have done, most of the sex, drug and corruption charges in the past decade have been leveled against Republicans.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like Republicans want to create a world where they themselves wouldn't meet the standards.

If you have no values and no principles, you can't really be a hypocrite.

Wrong again. Reputzes have neither morals or values they only pretend to on tv. Y'all are just a smarmy as anyone else... and you lie about it. Ya see its the pretense that gets you in trouble. When backed against the wall you fall back on the.... but but but... sniffle... I try to be good... but but but... the flesh is weak... I think I'll run to my minister so he can help me pray for strength... and forgiveness.

Hell you have even wrapped religion around timing... always living however you wish while hoping you have time to strike a bargain with God's forgiveness... you'll even murder with that in mind...

(And dismissing Foley as a pedophile???? Hate to tell you, but I believe the pages he was propositioning were of legal age to consent to such an act.)

Technically speaking, through laws foley himself championed, the persons have to be 18 in order to have sexual conversations with someone foleys age. They were 17.

AGAIN, it's more about the hypcorisy though, since Foleys job was protecting these kids/young men from people like himself. Fox guarding the hen house...

Is being Bi the same as being classified as Gay ?

Just wondering if he wants to be mealy mouthed with words ?

Skank,

You make a statement that I am wrong then attack something else....I belief that is called a deflection. Care to try again?

My challenge to you is if "gay is ok" then why aren't the dems ralleying around Craig, Folley, and the like..to help them and assure them there is nothing wrong with being gay.

Because their behavior is not at all representative of the gay lifestyle and it was unacceptable...duh.

Sen. Larry Craig, surrounded by his family, Gov. Butch Otter, State Schools Superintendent Tom Luna and Congressman Bill Sali, resigned from the U.S. Senate, effective Sept. 30.

"I remember the outrage over Kennedy. There was a lot of it."

Hey Generic - wat that before or afther they promoted him from Representative to Senator? Some outrage....I'll bet he heard it all the way back to DC! So what should Craig be promoted to?

Craig won't last until September 30th. Many of his former trysts, including the underage page from 1982, have already spoken out about their sexual encounters with Larry.

The GOP will launch him permanently before next weekend.

"So what should Craig be promoted to?"

Republicans in Idaho can promote him to whatever post they think he is qualified for. It's they who caused him to resign but you act as if it were Democrats that forced him out. I think really most Dems would have preferred he stay in office and try for reelection. I know I would have.

well we need a new attorney general, that job is open

A Cit: please see my 3:34.

Adios, Senator, don't let the stall door hit you in the ass on your way out.

Briwo,

I agree that trying to strike up a relationship with someone 16 or 17 is not "moral or right" but it is not illegal. I guess it is fortunate that those are not words that dems often use to evaluate the worth of a man or his decisions.

I further agree that it is up to his constituents. I also agree that if he is not representing those constitutents he has "violated his contract" and should be "fired". That being said, shouldn't he have been removed as a result of the ground swell at home, not the outcry from the rest of the nation or the Republicans in Washington...since he doesn't represent any of them?

Shouldn't the same standard have applied to a certain president and an intern?

""Shouldn't the same standard have applied to a certain president and an intern?""

Not being a hypcritical member of the Party that so loudly proclaimed "family values" has its advantages. If you don't want to have to resign because of sexual pecadillos then don't become a right wing REpublican who votes against the interests of those with a sexual orientation you don't want to admit you share.
Most normal adults in the US were sympathetic to the hurt Bill Clinton's family endured but really didn't give a crap about all the moralistic bull shit. It was ironically, the once again truely hypocritical REpublicans like Newt Gingrich who were loudest in lambasting him for his terrible sin....even while Newt was committing virtually the exact same sin himself.

"... The reason we are all over Craig, is not because he's gay, but because HE'S A FUCKING HYPOCRITE!!!" (Posted by briwo)

No, the reason everyone is all over this is that it was an (alleged) public potties solicitation. It's only the Dems that are yelling 'hypocrite' at the top of their lungs.

You Dems got a link proving that Craig is 'anti-gay?' How about a link proving Craig is 'gay?'

waiting...

""waiting...""

you need a link to prove the obvious. Keep waiting idiot.

"you need a link to prove the obvious. Keep waiting idiot." (Posted by danni)


Not obvious. But the Dems want it so.

Idiot, you say?

Sticks and stones...

Er...who resigned???
A Dem or a Republican perv???
Who forced him to???
A Dem or a bunch of hypocritical Rethugs???

I rest my case.

Danni,

I have to tell you...I am proud of you. You finally admit the basis for your feelings here...

"Not being a hypcritical member of the Party that so loudly proclaimed "family values" has its advantages. If you don't want to have to resign because of sexual pecadillos then don't become a right wing REpublican who votes against the interests of those with a sexual orientation you don't want to admit you share."

You could have paraphrased it as "we deserve to have revenge on someone that lives a lifestyle that he would seek to deprive you of."

Now, if you would just admit your hatred of wealth and business is similarly rooted and that is the basis for your belief in a more agressive tax system where those that have pay for all of the stuff you don't have...we will have intellectual honesty!

OCMAF,

Since when do you have to have corroboration, evidence, or proof when you are lodging an allegation of wrong-doing against a Republican. That is the Delay-Rove-Libby rule. Get with the program!

yeah, I forgot about that...

More than 30 years in the Senate and this is the way your career ends. Does it get any worse than to have your name forever in the history books showing you were tossed out of the Senate after 30 years for playing gay tootsies in a public bathroom stall with an undercover vice cop.

Adios troll!

hey i got an idea,,,any congressperson no matter which party who is convicted of or pleads to any crime should resign.....
how about that?

Posted by cheka


Sounds good to me.

It's only the Dems that are yelling 'hypocrite' at the top of their lungs.


You Dems got a link proving that Craig is 'anti-gay?' How about a link proving Craig is 'gay?'


waiting...

Posted by ocmaf


Leave it to a Bush polyp to rely on a "link" rather than an examination of peron's voting record and public statements to judge that person's attitude toward gays - or certainly toward equal rights for gays. Maybe you should do your own reading and examine these issues in full before you rant.

And I thnk there might be a smattering of independents joining "only the dems" yelling 'hypocrite'. That would then constitute a majority of the country, would it not?

Even a majority of Idahoans think he should go.

find your own link for that, if you need to. Shouldn't be too hard.

Refreshing to see a republican resign over a scandal. I just wish the left would follow suit.

I'm calling on Hillary Clinton to resign after taking cash donations from a wanted fugitve. A no-no in Washington....and pretty much anywhere else you step in the USA.

Cause we all know, if Bush had taken money from a wanted man, well.......we know the answer.....

yes former lib.....I agree completely....

and when jefferson how has 90k in his freezer is still serving and forgotten about

and even the FRIGGIN DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT USES HIS OFFICE to lure a fat intern into the oval office FOR SEX.........and they defend him to the hilt and make him into the coming of the next thomas jefferson.......

and the left has the gall to talk of hypocracy on the right...

and if craig were a dem.......they would be defending him to the hilt because of his right to be gay and have bathroom sex.

I just get such a kick out of reading the righties posts about this guy. You can feel the bitterness in their words. What they just can't stand is that us lefties really just don't give a crap about this guy's sexual problems, we just like watching REpublicans self-destruct. It's great sport. I haven't enjoyed anything quite this much in quite a while. Come on, give me some more of these stupid comments like "and if craig were a dem.......". I love it.

we just like watching REpublicans self-destruct.

very possibly the most honest thing you have ever typed and placed on this site...

but how can you say this just because we are countering attacks of republican hypocracy with points of democrat hypocracy....it seems like exactly what needs to be done.

BLT it ain't hypocrisy when you don't go around preaching like the Republicans do. Makes it tough for your side I know, you elect these holier than thou assholes and then you discover too late that they are just flawed human beings like everyone else. Seems like you would figure out that the ones who wear their morality on their sleeve are usually hiding something. How many more examples do you need???

Its just 'sex'.


A 'private' matter.



-Bill Clinton

we have all heard that children try to avoid responsibility by claiming "..the other kids do it"

change the word "children" to "republicans" is what many posters are doing

really childish

but onna.....thats real cute and all but it doesnt apply here because its the dems who call the republicans and then say something like you did here.


BUT I have the answer to craig's problems..

all he has to do is visit shitters all over the country and do this same thing once a month or so...

and then he can say the same thing that people say about the clintons when it comes to taking shady money from people with names like hsu.....AND CHANG..........you and the press tells us basically that.....oh thats just the way the clintons do things..........

see.......problem solved.........

They need to dig up his back yard. He should be investigated to the nth degree to find out really what he has been doing. He has played a double game all his life and we need to know what else he has done. He could be the ultimate mole for all we know right now.

and if craig were a dem.......they would be defending him to the hilt because of his right to be gay and have bathroom sex.



Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-09-02 09:48 AM


Only republicans vote against gay rights, then go out and suck strange dicks. If a dem did that he would find no support. But you seem to be supportive of Craig.

so you are saying that if you are gay you HAVE To be in favor of fay marriage because thats the issue that the left most often refers to when they have been talking about all of this.
and if you are gay, you have no choice but to support gay marriage.....hhhhmmmmmmmmmmm

except that he says he ISNT gay, so why cant he be against gay marriage and every once in a while...."suck a strange dick" if that floats his boat?

they have to defend Craig, otherwise they may miss a good blowjob.

the proper term is "Right Whiners", not "Right Wingers" (Whine & Dine)

No, Craig is not gay, because being gay is okay. Craig is one of those old-fashioned, self-loathing queers in the bad old sense of the word, the kind that fathers have always warned their sons about that hang around in bus station bathrooms. He can't come out and be happy and "gay" and proud, not because he is not homosexual, but because he chooses to wallow in the slimy, germ-ridden, rotten crotch, underworld that he apparently is a master of, and he even has the ready-made excuses for when he is caught in his nasty business. So, it fits that he has opposed gay marriage because it is consistent with his overall style of enjoying being deceptive.

Paraphrasing Woody Guthrie most slightly:

Goodbye to my Karl, goodbye, old Alberto,
Adios mis amigos, Craig y Snow;
You're leaving the ship, which now is sinking,
And soon even Bush will have to go.

Frankly, I really don't care if he's straight, gay or bi-sexual. As long as people are human, these type of things will happen to a few members of either party man or woman. I find it strange that after all the work this guy has put in, there was not one member of his own party or anyone in government that went on the record as saying that they had worked closely and respected the work they did together and without knowing all the details wished the Senator and his family workimng to resolve this together.

The propblem the Senator had was he kept talking when he should have kept his mouth shut. In addition if you are a conservative and on the record as hating gays and supporting legislation against them, like passing hate laws, for poltical purposes; I think by attacking the Senator, conservatives may also hurt themselves at the next elections by appearing to be hipocritical of gay laws and their extreme values of the extreme right that also hates other religions and races.

Yet another reason why I dislike both the major parties and will now vote independent.

And before you leap to click "offensive" just remember that most gays refer to themselves as queers:

www.queernation.org

Posted by vernon at 2007-09-01 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:


"...just remember that most gays refer to themselves as queers"

???

Is this your "coming out" post?

Well, congratulations to you.

Hey Generic - wat that before or afther they promoted him from Representative to Senator? Some outrage....I'll bet he heard it all the way back to DC! So what should Craig be promoted to?

Posted by A_Citizen at 2007-09-01 04:20 PM | Reply | Flag

Promoted?

Damn, you're none too bright.

He wasn't "promoted" to anything. He was elected.

Shitizen,

It wasn't the left that told him to leave. It was your party, so quit acting like there's some double standard.

He resigns not for being gay but for being a fool. Imagine, in a public toilet !

Common,

You are so slow it takes you two hour to watch 60 minutes. I understand it took you over a day of reflection to come up with those two little snippets, but you really should try to follow along before typing.

1. The end result of the "outcry" from Kennedy killing his girlfriend was that he was not only NOT forced from office, but the citizens (his boss) promoted him to Senate.

2. If the electoral process is so important to you, you should be outraged that Crag was forced out. There was no recall election, no voice of the people. There was media and other politicians....being a dem, I understand how you can get those confused.

3. The double standard is not that the Republicans forced Craig from office. Certainly the party of "principles and morals" should have the right to criticise its members for acting in an immoral and unprincipled way. The point is the dems (having no morals or principles of their own) should keep their mouths shut. It is hypocritical to promote homosexuality and then condemn someone for a offering to engage in a consensual homosexual act. It is wrong to defend a president who "just got a blow job" from someone half his age and contend that Folley is a pedophile and was morally wrong for what he did.


Was that simple enough for you or do I need to draw you a picture.

the people calling for Craig's resignation were republicans, Craig being an idiot is the fault of no democrat. no democrat was involved in the Craig mess. democrats were involved by republicans seeking to shift the blame. "he's a hypocrite", "you guys have hypocrites too", well my father can beat your father.

so nobody but you can call him on his behavior?

Was that simple enough for you or do I need to draw you a picture.

""Certainly the party of "principles and morals" should have the right to criticise its members for acting in an immoral and unprincipled way.""

And A CITIZEN wonders why people laugh at his posts.

Does anyone here have any common sense? If we continue to attack public officials for what happens in their private lives, than who would dare run for public office? We are reaching the point where there is no privacy and you can never tell what may or may not be a scandal. Regardless, Craig already paid his dues to society. Forcing him to resign is just a defeat for democracy.

if those that elected him don't mind, then why resign. (or rather why did repubs force him to resign, because they think the voters won't like him)

he certainly should keep his seat (which happens to be a toilet seat)

"Regardless, Craig already paid his dues to society."

All those votes against gay rights?

one hypocritical Republican Senator down. Lots more to go. Though personally I would have preferred to see this scandal drag on another few mnonths.
Republican hypocrisy knows no bounds. This entire incident captures rightwing hypocrisy in a classic nutshell. A Hoolywood screenwriter couldn't have choreographed sthis any better. And rightwingers wonder why average Americans increasingly hold their party is such contempt?

So the Repub bar is higher than the Dems--and when one of its' members falls short--they are sometimes dismissed.

The gay marriage thing is such a herring here--do folks realize that Edwards and Hillary and many other Dems do not want gay marriage?

And gays want hate crime legislation--well,--aren't all murders (not accidental) done with hatred?

That's the problem with hate crime laws--they treat some groups of people special.

All murders or beatings to another human being derives from hate--no matter who the victim is.

How is the murder of a mother of two by the husband any less hateful than someone killing another because they think the person is gay??

Why give the murderer of one murder more or less punishment because of the victim?

As to Craig--he plead guilty and no one could stick up for him or come to his defense. If he had not done what the officer was claiming he should have plead innocent.

He was arrogant to think no one would find out.

And MSNBC had a shrink on the morning show a Phd --who proclaimed that Craig was Not seeking Gay Sex. He was seeking Man on Man Sex! Huh!??

Murphy

After reading some of the posts here I just realized I'm a pretty good person, thank me very much.

let this be a lesson on how the right differs from the left.

the right does not uphold this sort of nonsense and the left makes theirs heads of committees or nominees for president!

All of the vultures, left and right, converge for the feast. As a sort of homophobe from the perspective of gays - I oppose gay marriage, gay rights, gay participation in male youth activities, and the entire spectrum of their wish list, and I am repulsed by the sight of two men exchanging a French kiss or holding hands amorously - I nevertheless find abhorrent, the use of governmental resources to trap and prosecute homosexuals, and the expulsion of homosexuals from public office because of their aberrant behavior so long as it occurs between consenting adults.

Let "queers" engage in their practices without censure. They are people who are grievously impaired as biological units. Allow them to flourish as they may, so long as they don't intrude on others and demand "rights" that gives advantage of any sort to them or disadvantages others.

We are on a par with the unenlightened unwashed Islamics when we engage in such primitive behavior and punish homosexuals, who are attempting to make their limited time on Earth as fulfilling as possible. Why do we want the repression of sexual urges and superficially make them socially unacceptable?

Why do so many of you gloat over Mr. Craig's fall from grace? Masochists? Why do so many homosexuals gloat over Mr. Craig's discomfort, and exult over his exposure and that he is compromised? Is he "dying" for their sins? Are they people searching for a surrogate to suffer and atone for their abominations?

Vermin: As usual your thinking is mile wide but only 1/2 inch deep.

Oh, Vernon's thinking is only 1/2 inch deep, oh, okay, thought you meant....

"the right does not uphold this sort of nonsense'

What a steaming pile of bullshit. One needs look no further that Mark Foley, who, after it was discovered he was using the Page System as his personal dating service, was urged to run for office again by Mel Reynolds, head of the Republican re-election campaigns.

After, of course, the rules were broken and the info was given to Reynolds, and not to the Page Board, as was required.

Republicans put holding on to a seat above protecting children.

"(Gays) are people who are grievously impaired as biological units. "

Whereas you're just grievously impaired as mental unit.

"Why do so many of you gloat over Mr. Craig's fall from grace?"

A charter member of the lets-hate-a-homo club is discovered to know all the secret signals of anonymous gay airport bathroom sex. The "gloat" comes from the delicious hypocricy oozing from this incident: he speaks against gays during the day and trolls for anonymous gay airport bathroom sex at night. It's the two-facedness that's so funny, especially coming from a "family values" guy.

I guess when he told his spouse she was the only woman in his life...he was telling the truth.

The Republicans threw Craig under the bus in order to be as squeaky clean as possible for the '08 elections.

Craig did nothing at a serious enough level to deserve ouster from the Senate.

I'm still wondering why the Minneapolis D.A. even filed the stupid detective's 'case.' Not only was the charge unprovable, but there was no crime to begin with (If this 'case' was a marriage, I'd have said: Nullify it).

There was only a scared, naive (naive about criminal law, that is, and probably other things) 'suspect', who was (justifiably, it turns out) terrified of public disclosure.

Looks like another Barney Frank who is a liberal Dem, no wait a minute, he has resigned and he's part of the GOP!

I listen to the tape where he was disputing the officer, it was a disgrace, he got caught, and I feel sorry for his family that has to endure his mistake.