"Sounds like a quote from Gary"
Posted by OohRah at 2007-08-28 08:19 AM

YEAH!

Gary who? Where is his quote published?

Maybe they all should do a tour. It would be a double advantage. If they were over there for 12 or 15 months, first they would be spending less of our money and second, it would give them a more clear view of what is going on and make them think twice about committing our soldiers.

......good point Sawdust......anybody sending our children to die in an optional war should be the first to put in 12 months at the front.........

He served two weeks so he now knows what it's like to serve fifteen months, over and over.

"After serving two weeks of reserve duty in Iraq"

So he has, what, 14 months and 2 weeks left in his tour of duty?

Give him credit. He came 100% closer to a war zone than Bush. Which raises the obvious question. If he had skipped the war entirely, would he have then been a more viable presidential candidate for Republicans, like Bush?

""So he has, what, 14 months and 2 weeks left in his tour of duty?""

That's just his first tour, he has two or three more to go. And it's ok cuz he volunteered.

this guy should be defeated in the next election but isnt it something that libs here have so far said almost nothing about to congratulate him on doing more than sitting in dc and talking about it and I know why..

they are horrified that by doing this he WILL see what its like up close and that its possible that he will see the SURGE WORKING and he wont hav to get that report from levin or schumer or clinton....


and thats why you havent seen that nice job for going from the left as they are simply getting themsleves in position to attack him.

libs can not afford for him to come back and possibly agree with anyone in the bush administration about the surge.

After serving two weeks of reserve duty in Iraq, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) yesterday called for continuation of the "surge" of U.S. troops in Iraq.


Hmmmmm, why would he say something like that?

Personally, I could care less if the surge is working or not, the entire war hasn't been worth our time or money.

The military can't afford the surge. Unless, of course, you can guarantee that the only place we will need troops is Iraq. It isn't exactly a surprise that sending in more troops helps to make certain areas safer, we knew that since Gen. Shinsecki recommended far more troops at the beginning. What is surprising is that today the righties here seem so forgiving of those who refused to listen for so long. Now, after all these years they finally discover that more troops can do what "war on the cheap" could not, but they don't have the troops to sustain it long enough to really make a long term difference without sacrificing our military's ability to respond to other emergencies.

"The surge has produced better security. And if you mandated withdrawal now, it would undercut the progress we've made and embolden people who are on the ropes. Be patient. Continue to supply strongly economic, political and military support, and I believe . . . we'll have a breakthrough in Baghdad," he said.



Hmmmm, the heck ya say. So my friends over there NOW haven't been lying to me afterall. This has to be some devastating news for DR lefties.

I spend more time than I should on blogs, including Red State blogs. Perhaps I need a new hobby.

But it allows me to attest the scarcity of real discussion about the surge among neoconservatives.

They pretend the localized success of surge is some secret liberals desperately wish to keep to themselves.

They ignore the years of begging for something like the surge. They ignore the lack of political progress this limited version of what we suggested is buying.

They especially ignore the inevitable deadline for this restricted surge, predicted as soon as it was announced, coming to you soon just a few months before new US elections.

There may be troops available to do a righteous job with this surge, provided Bush had the courage to modify US committments elsewhere in the world.

But he does not, another fact his supporters ignore. He's determined to give just enough oxygen to the dying man to assure that he croaks sometime just after January, 2009.

2 weeks. this guy did 2 weeks. What a hero!!! Same guy that lied about his pleasant walk to the market

2 weeks. this guy did 2 weeks. What a hero!!! Same gut that lied about his pleasant walk to the market

but they don't have the troops to sustain it long enough to really make a long term difference without sacrificing our military's ability to respond to other emergencies.

Posted by danni at 2007-08-28 09:20 AM


And with a statement like that it's obvious your ability to think has been clouded by your hatered of 1 man.

Do you actually think it's easier to launch military operations from only within the shores of the United States.

Big sky, Big water and Big ground, all, right in the thick of things.

George Bush (because he had the balls to actually do something) and his advisors are nothing less than the military and geopolitical genius's of our time and their first and necessary steps will be built upon by the next administration, regardless of party affiliation. All those senators that voted to go in did so KNOWING much, much more about the situation than you, I, or anyone else on this blog can even begin to imagine.

Location, location, location.

You're the perfect example of why a female president won't be elected in this country any time soon.

Military operations are a dismal science, even more dismal than economics.

It's going to take a long time for the country to recover from Bush's unaccountable drinking of happy juice in regards to Iraq.

Let's back this up a bit: It will take a long time to recover from Bush's lack of education, experience, and character.

Back it up one more time: We're lucky were not all dead because of Bush's ego, which will continue into retirement serenely intact.

its so nice to make a charge on a thread and have the left come back and basically tell the retort world......BL2 is right....
we have to attack him because we cant win if america and iraq wins in iraq.

way to go puffdaddy

Incubus---If the last eight years do anything at all positive for this country---Let it bury the notion that our leaders necessarily know or understand anything more about war than you and I do.

War is too important to be left to draft-dodging cheerleaders that think they are from Texas. Let George Bush go home and work for a living, at long last.

""George Bush (because he had the balls to actually do something) and his advisors are nothing less than the military and geopolitical genius's of our time""

AFter I read that the rest of your post just blurred because I was laughing too hard.

By the time I got to your last sentence I recovered somewhat but then started laughing all over again.

I don't believe any human being could make a stupider post that that one no matter how hard they tried. That is a true classic.

its possible that he will see the SURGE WORKING

he's more likely to see the Easter Bunny. The surge is "working" in areas where the troops are tripping over each other. It's like the cops parking a cruiser in your driveway and you claiming your neighborhood is crime-free, when three of your neighbors get robbed.
The insurgents are just wreaking greater damage and deaths elsewhere. Even Baghdad is merely back to as bad as it was before the insurgents had their own surge.

We're lucky were not all dead because of Bush's ego, which will continue into retirement serenely intact.

Posted by Zed at 2007-08-28 09:36 AM | Reply


What a fucking drama queen.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Sincerely,
The Pant-pissers

Rcade. You're losing your touch with your headlines. You could have twisted it even better had you inserted the word JUST between the words serves and two.

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Sincerely,
The Pant-pissers

Which is why Bush was able to invade Iraq while all the fighty rightys hid under their beds. And why he can't say good morning to laura without mentioning 9-11.

ah yes........and the music goes round and round and it comes out here...............

northguy tells us just the opposite of what people there on the groung tell us but thats okay.


again.....the left HAS TO DENY all success.....its the only thing that insures thier success...
we understand that.

and STILL.....nothing but attacks on a senator who does more than the sunday morning shows.........

as I said....the left is very much afraid of shit like this.......

Which is why Bush was able to invade Iraq while all the fighty rightys hid under their beds. And why he can't say good morning to laura without mentioning 9-11.

Posted by northguy3 at 2007-08-28 09:58 AM | Reply


Do you just randomly type what ever comes through that empty head of yours?
Buy a cat or go talk to your plants if you're that fucking lonely that you feel the need to respond to a post with utter nonsense.

youi noted senator is a liar.proven many times over. Have you had your moment of silence for the demise of Speedy G?

BL2 what do you know of success? By reading your posts I can tell it is a foreign concept to you.

YEAH!

We know already!

Two weeks is enough time to assess five years of failure and billions spent
The "surge" is working
Bush's legacy of Excellent Leadership has been Restored ---- everyone respects him
And the Republican Party isn't full of dishonest public bathroom cockfiddilers

General DanniDrivel(TM) understands the situation on the ground much better than someone who was just there. Maybe the General could add the insurgents in Iraq to her hate list and HOPE THEM dead (you can even hope them dead without the painful deaths you reserve for Americans so it is more acceptable for you General). Come on General, add to the effort.

General DanniDrivel(TM) understands the situation on the ground much better than someone who was just there.

YEAH!

When you say "someone" is that code for republican apologist?

A more honest post would read:


"General DanniDrivel(TM) understands the situation on the ground much better than "a republican" who was just there defending a "republican" policy."

Wow, Ride On, you've got a lot of gall giving anyone shit after you turned tail and ran in the "investigations" debate. Still all for allowing the government to lie to you without question?

Danni? How about the RideOnRuns (TM)?

George Bush (because he had the balls to actually do something) and his advisors are nothing less than the military and geopolitical genius's of our time

Holy shit.

Iraq Civilian Deaths Down From Peak, But Doubled The Pace !

This year's U.S. troop buildup has succeeded in bringing violence in Baghdad down from peak levels, but the death toll from sectarian attacks around the country is running nearly double the pace from a year ago.

Some of the recent bloodshed appears the result of militant fighters drifting into parts of northern Iraq, where they have fled after U.S.-led offensives. Baghdad, however, still accounts for slightly more than half of all war-related killings the same percentage as a year ago, according to figures compiled by The Associated Press.

-Sarge

Danforth, you are funny. Read that thread. I answered your question. If you can't read or don't get the answer you would like it to be it's not my fault. Keep pushing and maybe I can make the DanniDrivel(TM) I HOPES YA DIE and WITH A LOT OF PAIN LIST.

""How about the RideOnRuns (TM)?""

I like it!

And...no RideOnRuns (TM) you aren't important enough to make the list.

I don't believe any human being could make a stupider post.

-danni

who's stupider?

Would you like to publish more of your hate list then General DanniDrivel(TM) Show us your benevolence. You would like that name above because it is a lie. You embrace lies and hate....so now you feel even more at home. Must be a lovely home. Don't poison the grandkids with your hate please, as you have enough hate to go around.

I don't believe any human being could make a stupider post.

-danni

who's stupider?

Posted by Yodar013 at 2007-08-28 10:46 AM

IN other words...the person who made the post gets added to my hope you die (and with a lot of pain list).

GENERAL DANNIDRIVEL(TM)

After serving two weeks of reserve duty in Iraq, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) yesterday called for continuation of the "surge" of U.S. troops in Iraq.

Well I aplaud Sen. Graham for serving his time, he could have easily pulled strings.

But to inject a little reality into this thread, did Sen. Graham mention what his plan is for continuing the surge?
Because the military shot down the idea of extending the 15 month tours of duty. So come March or April, troop divisions begin rotating out of Iraq, and the surge ends.

I'm looking for some long term planning, and I'm not seeing any. What is the plan to prevent the "unraveling of gains" come April when troop numbers drop?

I haven't seen any calls for a draft, nothing to prevent the end of the surge. What is the plan?

BL2 what do you know of success? By reading your posts I can tell it is a foreign concept to you.

Posted by byrdman at 2007-08-28 10:17 A


sure I do.....I hit the streets working for a presidential candidate who WON TWICE and the 2nd time it was in the face of media and leftists liars who stop at nothing to keep those successes from happening..........

but thanks for bringing the subject up.

Bushlovertwo-
Do you have any scars?

"Read that thread. I answered your question"

No you didn't. You turned tail and ran. You got caught in an untenable position---supporting unfettered lies by the government---and you went running away.

Perhaps it should be Ride_Off.

It's you who hasn't answered: why are these three lies okay to you?

Posted by Danforth at 2007-08-27 11:16 AM

Lies aren't ok to me and I never said they were.

Posted by ride_on at 2007-08-27 11:19 AM | Reply


Gonzales Resigns

Look above Danforth Dumbass. I answered your question. You attempted to put words in my mouth in your question (I never supported unfettered lies by the government). I answered you....."Lies aren't ok to me and I never said they were." Now admit you are a liar, or don't admit it....doesn't matter to me.

By the way Danforth....some time ago in a related Gonzo thread I said the he had to go. It was when he was doing his disengenuous back pedaling and not recalling. Go spend your time and find it if you want....I don't spend my time doing that....I'm not DATA. BTW, where has he been?

I'm looking for some long term planning, and I'm not seeing any. What is the plan to prevent the "unraveling of gains" come April when troop numbers drop?

I haven't seen any calls for a draft, nothing to prevent the end of the surge. What is the plan?

Posted by Norm_ at 2007-08-28 11:15 AM |


Loose lips sink ships. You're a citizen not a general nor a politican that sits on a decision making panel. Get real.... Get Faith.... without them both you wind up here crying with the rest of the FAITHLESS retards that think they're smart.

All those senators that voted to go in KNOW much, much, much more than you, I or anyone else on this blog can even begin to imagine or comprehend.

You might buy into the I'm sorry I voted for the war BS that a few senators seem to think plays so well with gullible retarded citizens that think they have "INFO/Intelligence", but I don't, nor do any of the sane people I know.

Last year when I went through the Lincoln Library and Museum and read the shit they said about him in his day (Lincoln) I couldn't help but think about the retarded liberals of today. The resemblence is striking to say the least.

Also read the history of Winston Churchill and the retarded Hitler pacifiers of that day. Very similar. The world was almost lost to Nazism due to those retards.

The question I asked after that, Einstein, was"

"Then why aren't you at the front of the line demanding the truth from your own party?"
Posted by Danforth at 2007-08-27 11:25 AM

That was the question you never answered. Instead you danced around with "what's my party?" shit, and when I substituted "government", you turned tail and ran, claiming you'd answered the question.

So answer it directly: why aren't you at the front of the line demanding the truth from your own government?

Oh, and try reading the thread before calling someone a liar. 11:25 is six minutes after 11:19.

Dumbass.

That tool from the Daily Show has been there over two weeks.

Oh, and try reading the thread before calling someone a liar. 11:25 is six minutes after 11:19.

Dumbass.

Posted by Danforth at 2007-08-28 12:25 PM

You have to be the dumbest person alive. My post with 11:19 on it was a copy from the date of 8-27 (yesterday you dumbshit). So I'm done with you. You have been totally run over. By the way you can scroll back and check out the old Gonzo thread toward the end of last month and see I said he had to go. He got caught with his hand in the cookie jar (of his own house) and decided to lie about it. I don't and never supported the lying.

" My post with 11:19 on it was a copy from the date of 8-27 (yesterday you dumbshit)"

So was mine, dumbshit.

You're 0-for-2. Willing to try for a trifecta, or are you finally going to answer the 11:25, 8-27-07 question directly?

Danforth, Gonzo lied and I don't support it. At the end of last month in a thread I said he had to go. How's that for "support" of a liar. I went on record very early.

Your other question from yesterday, I answered yesterday...how many times do you want me to repeat the answer.

So I have now answered both your questions from yesterday. If something else is wrong you can let me know that too so we can cut down your whining ways.

There are still three lies on the table:

We fired the USAs for incompetence. No, that's a lie, we fired them for....

We don't know who compiled that list.

We don't know why that list was compiled..

You wish the investigations would go away, well guess what...I do, too. And it makes me all the more pissed at the Republicans for lying to us so much the Dems had no choice but to investigate. Yet you want the legislative branch to ignore blatant lies told the American people by the executive branch. I'm of the opposite camp: I expect, when told lies, for one of the other branches to step in and get to the bottom of it. And i would think any non-partisan would feel the same: government honesty should be paramount.

"Gonzo lied and I don't support it"

Bullshit. You've called for ending the investigations into those lies. What other signal does it send than support--clear support--for this behaviour?

My hat is off to Sen. Graham, he has been there on something other then a junket, which is more then can be said for the other 99 old fools.

in cat years that's about a month... get off his back... he learned all he knows about duty from the Prez

""My hat is off to Sen. Graham, he has been there on something other then a junket, which is more then can be said for the other 99 old fools.""

Hey!!!...some of them aren't that old.

Bullshit. You've called for ending the investigations into those lies. What other signal does it send than support--clear support--for this behaviour?

Posted by Danforth at 2007-08-28 01:40 PM

Why don't you stay out in your fantasy land. Show me where I called for ending any investigations you lunatic.

libs can not afford for him to come back and possibly agree with anyone in the bush administration about the surge.

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-08-28 09:03 AM | Reply |

That an incredulous statement. Given your low opinion of "libs".

This guy isn't pelosi, hes a republican, and can be found to be every bit as flawed as the rest. Just another cracker jack republican spewing positive talking points, whos probably got his left hand in the Iraqi cookie jar.

Man you don't even think about this crap, you just keep towing the line.

Hmmmm, the heck ya say. So my friends over there NOW haven't been lying to me afterall. This has to be some devastating news for DR lefties.

Posted by Incubus_Con at 2007-08-28 09:25 AM | Reply |

Really you believe that? Take this as proof of your lack of not only critical thinking, but ignorance of reality.

DR lefties will not only NOT be devastated they will find the information that proves this to be a false or a half truth. Thousands of articles of DR lefties not being devastated and yet you came to this conclusion?

DR lefties will be no more devastated by this, than you seem to be by the cold hard reality that you were lied to, and assraped by a government you seem to hold in high regards.

You chide libs for they're "hate", but there seems to be no end to your own for a great more many people. Grow a pair already.

its so nice to make a charge on a thread and have the left come back and basically tell the retort world......BL2 is right....
we have to attack him because we cant win if america and iraq wins in iraq.

way to go puffdaddy

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-08-28 09:38 AM | Reply |

And what would BL2 be right about exactly?

again.....the left HAS TO DENY all success.....its the only thing that insures thier success...
we understand that.

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-08-28 10:05 AM | Reply |

It could be said you have to deny failure.

"I carried a 9mm like everyone else, and there were several times I was glad I had one."

...Recalls Senator Lindsey Graham of his 2- weeks reservist time served in Iraq as he did his duty protecting every grain of sand within the safe walls of the Green Zone.

Really you believe that? Take this as proof of your lack of not only critical thinking, but ignorance of reality.

DR lefties will not only NOT be devastated they will find the information that proves this to be a false or a half truth. Thousands of articles of DR lefties not being devastated and yet you came to this conclusion?

DR lefties will be no more devastated by this, than you seem to be by the cold hard reality that you were lied to, and assraped by a government you seem to hold in high regards.

You chide libs for they're "hate", but there seems to be no end to your own for a great more many people. Grow a pair already.

Posted by KnightHawk at 2007-08-28 04:03 PM |


You're a fu--n retard. What is it that you can't understand when I say "my friends that are over there NOW" that you don't understand?

My friends are on their 2nd and 3rd deployments and they've been telling me what the Senator is now stating long before the Senator did his tour and came back making these statements.

I'd tell you what else they'd say to an asswipe such as yourself but you truly already know what it is(and that's why you never seek out soldiers other than those that signed up for the benefits) so I won't bother.

Mr "5 Rugs fer 5 Bucks" comes back from Iraq and sez the surge should continue?

Note to numbnutZ from Spud:

The surge is an artificial construct made up of overlapping, over-extended tours and thus can't be supported indefinitely.

Meanwhile Afghanistan is failing (unless yer an Opium Farmer) and the wing nuts who still have control are calling and propagandising for another war with Iran.

Of course Iraq must be supported more in terms of reconstrusting infrastructure but the idiots in charge of this war have hired all their old buddies to do that reconstruction work at astronomical sums and quite frankly it aint getting done and the place is a much bigger shithole than it was under Saddam.

But if you think the plan to stay there fer another twenty or thirty years or so and turn the place into a larger version of the occupied territories in Palestine/Israel is feasible then yer not really thinking very hard.

This stunt by Graham isn't laudible it's laughable.

Be Well.

Hey, ya'll! At least SEN Graham IS SERVING! Better than other war-mongering GOP senators who just sit around tapping their right foot all the time.

Honorable service is nothing to laugh or sneeze at. Do it and then respect those who serve.

Honorable service is nothing to laugh or sneeze at. Do it and then respect those who serve.

Key Word "Honorable, T&C.

This isn't "serivng"

It's "self serving"

That sed, Spud does respect real service.

Not Lip Service.

/Unless her names Lovelace.

Be Well.

northguy tells us just the opposite of what people there on the groung tell us but thats okay.

There was an article posted here yesterday listing all the ways the surge is failing. I posted it and someone else did as well.
But a Republican Senator who goes to Iraq for two weeks (and never even makes it to one of the fabulous shopping centers)is the best source of info, now that Rummy is gone.
BLT is like the captain of the Titanic-"yes, but the good thing is,the water is only coming in on one side."

Spud -- I know one of Graham's peers in the Navy Reserve. Good dude from VA. Great family man, too. I also know one of his reserve peers in the Army. Sure the Senator could have been mobilized like my Army friend for 6 months, but why? He's a JAG. Unlike on TV, they don't play SEAL or fly jets. They read, write, judge, interpret and enforce military law. They could do that from a desk in Charleston or Norfolk. Getting in country for 2 weeks is better than what Dubya or Dick have done. So give credit where it is due.

I still believe that Congress needs to get the following dissenters in front of a blue-ribbon oversight paner to discuss the situation and interpret the record without political influence: Generals Swannack, Batiste, Van Riper, Eaton, Zinni, and Shinseki. They have a much better idea of what to do with the situation created by the neocons than any of us.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! The Air Force AG????? BWAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAA!

Did he have his laptop strapped down next to that 9 mm?

And 9 mm? What a pussy gun. Our military really fucked up when they changed from the 1911.

Also read the history of Winston Churchill and the retarded Hitler pacifiers of that day. Very similar. The world was almost lost to Nazism due to those retards.

That's no way to speak of President Bush's grandfather! Gee, if it hadn't been for Prescott being the Nazi's banker, George W wouldn't have been born with a silver spoon in his mouth (or up his nose)and might have actually had to work for a living, or, scarey as it sounds, serve in the VN.
If it hadn't been for those nasty liberals like FDR, Prescott could have been a billionare like his Nazi pacifier buddies Henry Ford and Chuckie Lindbregh,

People need to get over why we ended up there and figure out the best way to resolve the issues at hand. Yes, it was a bad mistake to go, but we are there and have sacrificed many, and we just can't up and leave. If people think we look bad now, how bad will they look at us if we just say screw it and leave. If the democrats want to take responsibility for the ensuing chaos and what happens after we leave that's another discussions, but there's no way they'd actually take responsibility for it or anything else.

All of you from the far left need to accept that we wouldn't be there if not for the democrats allowing it. We went in with the ok from democrats and republicans. Bush didn't pound his fist and say we're going. Our elected officials all helped to create the current situation, as well as the American public. People need to take responsibility for their part too. Without public support we wouldn't have gone, period.

Stop pointing fingers and realize the majority of us allowed this to happen and gave OUR government the means to do so. Debating the past isn't going to solve anything and only further divide us. The partisan politics need to stop. When we're divided as a country, crap like this happens. We need to work together for the best outcome for all Americans, not just one side of the political fence.

We need to work together for the best outcome for all Americans, not just one side of the political fence.

Agreed.

That sed everyting you wrote above that is wrong.

You folk from the extreme right need to learn that the reasons for going into Iraq are not off the table. The population was deliberately frightened with lies into giving their consent for war.

The Dems were also lied to.

That counts and cannot be conveniently swept away by merely saying "Well, we're there now"

GWB as the meat puppet of Dick Cheney and Big Oil have perverted the Constitution on their reckless road to ruin and must be held accountable if America is to preserve even a shred of her former dignity.

If people think we look bad now, how bad will they look at us if we just say screw it and leave

Staying in Iraq forever or until the oil runs out is not Victory nor is it a realistic option.

The question now isn't "Should America leave?"

The answer there is "Yes, America should have never invaded in the first place and has no right to be there now beyond the right that Hitler had to be in Paris".

The only real questions are When and How.

Also.. Holding this corrupt admin accountable fer their many crimes is not only an option.

It's a neccessity.

Be Well.

That is a reference to the urban shithole, Gary, Indiana! The Miss Teenage Universe contestant missed an excellent opportunity to talk about American's geographical ignorance.

"We need to work together for the best outcome for all Americans...."

So no more idiots and their idiot wars? Hey, I can get on board.

Spud -- Your point: "The question now isn't "Should America leave?" The answer there is "Yes, America should have never invaded in the first place and has no right to be there now beyond the right that Hitler had to be in Paris". (Not a perfect analogy. A pretty bad one in fact, but creative nonetheless, and your point is taken.)

The only real questions are When and How. (Pretty good!)

Also.. Holding this corrupt admin accountable fer their many crimes is not only an option.

It's a necessity.

(Sure, if we want a constitutional system that works!)

Not a perfect analogy. A pretty bad one in fact, but creative nonetheless, and your point is taken.

The Hitler analogy goes over board because it likens the American Army to the Nazis and fer that slight Spud is apologise.

That sed, "No Right" still holds.

Except in the "Might makes Right" sense.

Which is amoral nonsense.

The only real questions are When and How. (Pretty good!)

Spud can't buy into the "drop yer weapons on the way out and just flee" scenario.

Neither can Spud buy into the "War Eternal" (tm) mindset.

Patreous is no dummy.

They're trying to play a bad hand as best they can.

Something must be made of this dog's breakfast.

It's always harder to get out of Hell than to get in there in the first place.

Even with a 3 state solution ya still got Turkey and the Kurds at each others throats.

Halliburton ripping the taxpayer off.

The infrastructure of Iraq must be restored to more humane levels.

Corrupt crony contractors must be brought to task.

Ya gotta play the hand yer dealt.

Whoever wins in '08 will be picking up a shitty hand.

Spud respects any honorable service as such.

Spud'll agree that by going fer two weeks as a JAG he's at least doing more than Cheney, Chimpy and the other pols.

That sed Spud called it a stunt and holds to that opinion.

Not his service, mind.

His remarks.

His remarks were pure grandstanding and unabashed war pimping by Spud's lights.

Self agrandisement more so than honest opinion.

Be Well.

/bottom line here is that the new counter-insurgency manual argues that at least 20 security forces are needed for every 1,000 inhabitants. For Baghdad alone that's 120,000 troops.

The math don't work w/o a draft in Spuds estimation.

Thank God for "don't ask, don't tell," eh Lindsey?

Give him credit. He came 100% closer to a war zone than Bush. Which raises the obvious question. If he had skipped the war entirely, would he have then been a more viable presidential candidate for Republicans, like Bush?

Posted by Zed

So, what war did either of the Clintons serve in along with Edwards and Obama? I guess your comments only apply to republicans, not democrats. You do that well.

Tut, tut, Sniper. The allusion was to the Kerry/Bush contest, as I'm sure you know.

Rumor has it, even to this day, and on this very board, you can find persons that believe staying the hell away from a war zone makes you a much better man than asking to be in one.

You fellows are going to ditch McCain as not being pure enough, after ditching him as not beiong heroic enough (see above).

So Rudy can tell us all about what he did in The Great (Any) War. Since he was too good to shovel shit in Louisianna, I'm betting that was nothing.

I don't think Bush is a reformed alcolholic...I am now thinking he has been drunk for the past six years. No one with any more sense that a nickel cannot believe that we will win this damn war. It ain't gonna happen.

Graham's two weeks in Iraq is an insult to all of the troops who are serving and have served in that hell hole.

Bring 'im home.

You're a fu--n retard. What is it that you can't understand when I say "my friends that are over there NOW" that you don't understand?

Posted by Incubus_Con at 2007-08-28 05:56 PM | Reply |

"This has to be some devastating news for DR lefties."

Explain to me exactly what your friends have to do with your belief that DR lefties would be devastated by good news?