Ah, a touch of reality causing a rift in the Bush War fantasy?

Imagine that!

Whaaaaat? A General that has an opinion contrary to Party line?

Time for another firing!

No dissent in the ranks...

You're Fired General Pace!

That'll teach you to think.

General Pace and the Joint Chiefs are only saying what is already obvious to anyone with a brain. (Obviously GWB and the rightwing sheeple on this site lack that very basic organ.) Seriously. How can troop levels be maintained at this level for so long and there not be an untenable strain?

what's Bush's and republican's excuse now? Tell me ... Generals are saying to withdraw troops ... does that mean they're cowards and goal of surrender?

They should have to eat their words where the words are made out of bullcrap.

Sounds like someone's actually taking the long view. Sunni and Shiite militias are bad buys, but it's not like China, Russia, North Korea, or any number of other states and organizations have gone away. I'm sure they're all watching Iraq with considerable satisfaction.

General Pace-

Whatever you do, don't go hunting with Cheney!

nice try general, you can't fool us, errand boy.

From the article:

"If it's going to take time, and if we can't afford to just walk away from this, then . . . we better get ourselves structured for the long haul," said the senior administration official, explaining the White House position.

Starting the draft is also synonymous with starting real dissent and protest. It's hard to motivate young people to march on Washington when they don't feel the risk but when they fear that draft notice it's a different story. Things would change very fast in this country if they instituted a draft and the change would not be what the neocons desire.
They won't reinstitute the draft.

I say bring the draft back for precisely the reason that it will wake up the protest movement.

In a way its kinda sad, really, that for all our armchair liberal bullshit, we really don't have the strength of our convictions on the left.

We can't even bring ourselves to elect representatives that do much more than give lip service to our causes/values.

With all the things we know by now we should be rioting (strong metaphor)in the streets by now, but thursday night is still party night with the college crowd because 99% of the people serving these days are not college graduates.

The BA/MA/JD/MD/PhD crowd has never really tried to conceal their disdain for the less educated. Our social policy is proof of that.

This is exactly what Charles Rangle meant when he brought up the draft last year. You are right that they don't want to reinstate it, and that they really thought the rumsfeld plan of a stripped down, small number military force could handle iraq and any other problem that came up, but now they are in a bind.

What's going to make the left wake up? Maybe it has to come to this.
What would squash the dissent that is all but guaranteed to reappear

A gew day-dreams floating through the lib comunity? Someone made that shit up about his recomendation.

"gew"?

Do you mean "few," "Jew" or "GEW (Gewerkschaft Erziehung und Wissenschaft)"?

Just axing.

forgot I had one last thought.
What would squash the dissent that is all but guaranteed to reappear (at least for a little while)?

another attack in the US.

I don't put it beyond this administration to disregard another NIE that says "so and so determined to strike within the US"

I wouldn't go so far as to say they would orchestrate something like that to get what they wanted (not publicly at least), but they've definitely demonstrated the requisite dumfuckery to miss the obvious clues and prevent it.

Gewerkschaft Erziehung und Wissenschaft...

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nevermind....

Trade union education and science

Yes! The Google triumphs yet again!

Ya doc, you got it. A lie made up by the libs to make it look like there is trouble in DC.

"Someone made that shit up about his recomendation."

posted by sniper

sounds like a typical deflection. while technically correct (I'm taking your word for it) that still doesn't mean that he doesn't feel this way, only that this wasn't his recommendation. I think he is aware of which side of his bread gets the butter. But recommendation or feeling or whatever you want to call it, makes sense in the long term... unless you bring back the draft... or at least start paying our military something comparable to what our best paid police officers get paid.

or at least start paying our military something comparable to what our best paid police officers get paid.

Posted by Hagbard_Celine

We should take most of what we pay pro athletes and use it for something that is good for the country. We pay many athletes and movie stars millions per year to entertain us but we can't afford to pay our army and police good wadges. Go figure. I guess we have our priorities all screwed up. "To hell with crime, keep me entertained."

good luck with getting the money from sports. somebody posted a link here yesterday of a bush supporter complaining that bush shouldn't have started the attack on afghanistan on a sunday because it pre-empted his precious football. He was one of your guys. you should go to a conservative site and pitch that idea. many liberals already agree with you.

hag, if MANY libs want to do it, I think I can round up some conservitives that would go along with it. That should be enough to make a magority so lets give it a go.

Most of my lib friends love to veg out on the weekends, drink beer and watch football.

I guess we get the country we deserve then...

for the record, i said many, not most. but i guess the point is moot.

""We should take most of what we pay pro athletes and use it for something that is good for the country. We pay many athletes and movie stars millions per year to entertain us but we can't afford to pay our army and police good wadges.""

I think if you look at the wages earned by police in most cities they aren't doing all that badly. In most cities they are unionized and are fairly well compensated. OUr soldiers on the other hand....

Sounds like another false report by the New York Slime.

I see you subscrib to the NEW YOR SLIME.

I say bring the draft back for precisely the reason that it will wake up the protest movement.

What a twisted view. Don't bring the draft back to provide the overwhelming troop force that many say is necessary to achieve victory in Iraq -- only bring the draft back to "wake up the protest movement".

In other words, I want to put even more Americans on the battlefield in harms way just so that I can carry a sign that says "Draft beer, Not Students".

No, Bowa, what I'm saying is that if we all had a stake in this war, a family member to lose, there wouldn't have been the political capital available to start it in the first place. The protest movement would be able to influence foreign policy. Even liberals can act selfishly.

Draft beer? I'd never carry that sign... you have no idea what is living in those keg lines. Drink it in the bottle.