YEAH!

Just another "earthquake and in no way Bush's fault for appointing a coal industry insider and Bush contributor to oversee mine "safety"!

Move along, nothing to see here except the neocon Fake Plastic "conservative" vision of "governance"!

appointing a coal industry insider and Bush contributor to oversee mine "safety"!

Right at this moment I'm preferring to hope that the miners trapped and their rescuers get out of that mine alive. The facts speak for themselves about Bush and his crony appointees like this guy and Brownie, have done for years now.

Once again the death of innocent Americans, can be laid at the feet of Republician Party Partisians!!!! Richard Stickler, mining safety chief, was twice denied this job by a REPUBLICIAN CONGRESS, yet Pres. Bush made a recess Appointment and here we are!!!!! Nice Job DICK (short for richard). This man once again nicely fits the qualifications for such jobs, Anti-Union, Mine Owner, and large donations to the Republician Party. So thats the Republican way to appoint to these critical jobs people who's only expertise is that they favor the miners interest over the publics interest.....WHEN WILL THIS MADNESS END!!!!!!!!!! Hopefully January 20, 2009...Unless we are fortunate enough to have these incompetent clowns IMPEACHED!!!!!!!

Why with our technology is there no way to give these guys two-way radios or some sort of communication device they can each have with them at all times that would give their location in the mines?

EVEN SKIERS HAVE A DEVICE THEY CAN CARRY IN CASE OF AN AVALANCHE. If they are buried under snow it transmits a signal as to their location. Why wouldn't something like that work? Or are the mine owners too cheap to buy it for them?

Chris...these miners were no doubt armed with communication devices ,but in an underground situation radio signals dont't travel well..if at all.the remedy for this is to run a long string of coaxial cable (called a leaky feeder) along the back(roof)of the drift(Tunnel)to act as an antennea.in the event of a collapse that cable is more than likely severed..cutting of all means of communication

Is it me or are the right wing bitches taking a particularly harsh kootshslap from their maker this week?

As they say, the lord works in mysterious ways.

Chris...these miners were no doubt armed with communication devices, but in an underground situation radio signals don't travel well


YEAH!
We can track a cow from Canada to every stall and feed lot it stood in, we can communicate with probes millions of miles away in the hostile environment of deep space, we can communicate with submersibles in the deepest parts of our oceans ------ but we cant communicate with a "miner" just three miles away!

We can acoustically probe miles beneath the surface of the planet in the search for precious metals, oil and coal, we can call a satellite from the most remote corners of the planet ----- but we can't communicate with a "miner" just a few thousand feet away!

Bullshit!

The reason "miners" don't have this technology is cause it eats into their employers bottom line!

Plain and simple!

To these cretins (AKA the Bushiets) personal profits and their greed outweigh everything!

New MSHA regulations have been passed for incorporating communication devices on all miners.

Problem is MSHA is a government agency and it will be another year and a half before they put it into effect.

MSHA should have quite allot of egg on their face right about now. They are helping to direct this rescue and this horrible accidet takes place on their watch?

Who inspects the inspectors?

We do work in Wyoming under MSHA regulations. Whe they come on site they start handing out violations by the dozens. Some of the violations are worth it but others are simply crazy.

By law an emergence number HAS to be placed on the handset of all office telephones. We had ours Laminated, framed and screwed to the wall right above our phone and were written up because the sticker was not on the handset. Strange but true.

Another one:

All outlets are to be labeled with the circuit number and panel from which they are fed. This is put into place for obvious safety reasons.

Another contractors work trailor had a panelboard with TWO breakers in it. One supplied the AC and the other the 3 outlets that were in this small office trailor. Because they were not labeled they were hit with a violation and a fine.

I believe in Safety but not at the expence of common sense.

expense

I have several friends in Huntington. Man its so hard. I just dont know what to say to them. Everyone there is tied to mining in some way or another and being such a small town everyone know everyone. Its really like a big extended family down there (in more ways than one, we are talking about Utah)

Anyway, what a tragic turn of events.

It's obvious that the only thing to do at this point is to abandon mining coal, oil and or any other fossil fuels.... You righteous (leftist)screamers will just have to stand outside your door and yell from the east coast to your brothers on the west coast. Who needs fucking computers or food anyway?

What a bunch of imbiciles you are. You can always spot those who have done little in life, they're the ones screaming the loudest for the mostest.

Fucking morons, the whole flock of you.

Current regulation concerning Communication requirements in mines.

30 CFR 75.1600-2
Communication facilities; working sections; installation and maintenance requirements; audible or visual alarms.



(a) Telephones or equivalent two-way communication facilities provided at each working section shall be located not more than 500 feet outby the last open crosscut and not more than 800 feet from the farthest point of penetration of the working places on such section.


(b) The incoming communication signal shall activate an audible alarm, distinguishable from the surrounding noise level, or a visual alarm that can be seen by a miner regularly employed on the working section.


(c) If a communication system other than telephones is used and its operation depends entirely upon power from the mine electric system, means shall be provided to permit continued communication in the event the mine electric power fails or is cut off; provided, however, that where trolley phones and telephones are both used, an alternate source of power for the trolley phone system is not required.


(d) Trolley phones connected to the trolley wire shall be grounded in accordance with Subpart H of this part.


(e) Telephones or equivalent two-way communication facilities shall be maintained in good operating condition at all times. In the event of any failure in the system that results in loss of communication, repairs shall be started immediately, and the system restored to operating condition as soon as possible.



[38 FR 29999, Oct. 31, 1973]


Subpart R--Miscellaneous

"It's obvious that the only thing to do at this point is to abandon mining coal, oil and or any other fossil fuels"

YEAH!

Except the only thing really to do is NOT make a mans only financial salvation come at the price of his life!


How Green was My Valley for realz!

Miners know there is risk. They are a different breed of people. No matter how many safety precautions are taken you cannot win when fucking with mother nature. They accept this risk for reasons only they know.

Pretty noble if you think about it.

Anyway, what a tragic turn of events.
Posted by _2112_ at 2007-08-17 02:55 PM


"a tragic turn of events"

YEAH!

Is that what you people are calling negligence now?

But don't let me interrupt your lobbing for the coal industry please continue with pretending this isn't a result of Bush's "government" and "governance"!

Miners know there is risk. They are a different breed of people.

Pretty noble if you think about it.

Posted by _2112_ at 2007-08-17 03:10 PM |

Amen.

"They accept this risk for reasons only they know"


YEAH!

Could these "reasons" be that it's the only job around? Or the fact that cause it's the only job around, they lack the financial means to relocate, reeducate or go elsewhere?

Or could it be because of the above factors puts them into a predicament where people like this mine owner can take advantage of them?

But don't let me interrupt your lobbing for the coal industry please continue with pretending this isn't a result of Bush's "government" and "governance"!

Posted by Redneckville at 2007-08-17 03:14 PM |


YEAH, there's never ever been a coal mining catasrophe before. Put a bullet in your head and end your misery, ours to.

Pretty noble if you think about it.

Posted by _2112_ at 2007-08-17 03:10 PM |

Amen.
Posted by Incubus_Con at 2007-08-17 03:14 PM
YEAH!

"Nobel"? No!

Desperate Yes!

I mean do you honestly think of given the choice to go to college or work in a coal mine these men would select the coal mine?

Would you (go into the mine instead of something else)?

I think NOT!

But don't let that stop you from pretending people want to go into a hole cause its romantic and such!

Who inspects the inspectors?

Probably the same place that Bush has put all the inspectors we used to have for our food and product safety on imported foods -- OUT OF A JOB.

Sixteen tons and what do you get
another day older and deeper in debt.

This sad story just continues to get worse.

In response to you Redneckville,


"Could these "reasons" be that it's the only job around?"

I imagine. I'm sure there are many people that are doing jobs because it's the only one around.

I dont think they lack the financial means to relocate, re-educate or move. Many of them make VERY good money. Better than you might think.

Many miners don't think of thier job as one that they NEED to get out of. Many of them actually enjoy what they do. The risks are well known and accepted.

I don't think that mine owners (today not in the past)are taking advantage of these mine workers. They have federal regulations they must follow and if something is unsafe it is dealt with on the spot.

Could the mine owners do MORE for the miners safety? Ask that of ANY industry, of course the question is YES, but they do follow the regulations rather closely.

Anyway, I;m not sure I get where you are comming from.

Chris, I think the Republicans are going to outsource the mine inspector jobs to India.

Sixteen tons and what do you get
another day older and deeper in debt.


Danni,

My Dad sang that song on the very first radio station in Moab, Utah way back in the day.

Redneckville,

You are wrong in your opinion about these miners.

Many of them are making FAR better money than if they went to college and earned a degree.

Not everyone can sit in a cubical and type on a keyboard. There are actually people out there that ACCOMPLISH something durring the day.
Real work.

I mean do you honestly think of given the choice to go to college or work in a coal mine these men would select the coal mine?...

Last week they were talking to an American guy who was a miner and he said he makes $100,000 a year with benefits and that's why these guys take those jobs even though they're dangerous because it's their only chance to make some good money.

BUT notice that 3 of these six dead miners are Mexican nationals. WHY? Because the scumbag mine owner probably did not want to pay higher money to Americans miners anymore so he brings in foreigners to work dirt cheap in dangerous conditions.

I can't prove it but I either read or heard it when this mining accident first happened that one of the Mexican nationals may have been a minor and kids underage are not suppose to be working in those conditions. But this is BUSHWORLD and the mine owner knows he NEVER would have been fined or even cited if he was caught using minors in that mine, especially if it was a foreign worker being exploited here in the U.S..

Mining is dangerous.

MSHA was directing this rescue. All the safety precautions were being met and exceeded. This latest tragedy was not caused by the big bad wolf (owner) of the mining company.

Accidents happen.

Why just yesterday REDNECVILLE cut his little finger on a piece of paper. God damn boss of his exploiting him in such a way. My GOD if only he could get out of his terrible situation and get a job with ZERO risk.

When you find one of those let me know. If it pays in the mid 6 figures I'll make a change.

Sixteen tons and what do you get
another day older and deeper in debt.

This sad story just continues to get worse.

Posted by danni at 2007-08-17 03:22 PM |


Thanks for your table 2112. Now let's put it in perspective for Redneckville and Danni. (maybe one in the same)

Their hero Clintons watch .000305572 fatalites

Bush's watch .000292241 fatalitiesbr />


Not that either had anything to do with it, but I repeat....

You can always spot those who have done little, they're the ones screaming the loudest for the mostest. Fucking morons, the whole Flock.

"Anyway, I'm not sure I get where you are coming from"

YEAH!

That's easy!

I'm coming from the working mans perspective, not the corporation's perspective!

Why do I do this ---- cause I haven't forgotten already what it is to be a working man who fights and scratches at the earth to make what's needed for his children!

...Too often these mining executives place priority on productivity, but fail to focus on miners' health and safety," Roberts told Mike Hall at the AFL-CIO's blog in June 2006.

No wonder Bush overrode the Senate to put that guy in charge of mine saftey. He's Bush's kind of guy alright.

Your talking to one of the same REDNECVILLE. Working man from day one.

However, as I stated above, the rescue miners were working under close scrutiny of, well, pretty much the whole world. I am sure every safety measure was being used and there STILL was a problem.

Mining is dangerous (oh, have I said that already?)

You dig a hole into the middle of a mountain. What do you thinks going to happen every once in a while.?

You don't become a miner and not know that there is a chance you could be injured or die.

Just like me becomming an electrician. There are risks involved.

hell substitue any occupation. The risks vary but they are alway there.

AUGUST 19, 2002

I understand the whole "Workers against the Owners" bullshit.

I understand that some business owners are less than upstanding.


But, keep in mind. Without Owners workers have no jobs. It is a symbiotic relationship.

AUGUST 19, 2002

Since taking office in January 2001, Bush has proposed mine safety budget cuts, halted regulatory improvements and reduced enforcement efforts.

Mine safety advocates say the effects of those moves are now becoming clear: Last year [2001] , 42 workers died in U.S. coal mines, the third straight year that coal mining fatalities have increased. So far this year, 18 coal miners have died on the job. "

I know a man in Huntington. His Grandfather was a miner, his Dad was a miner and now he is a minor.

We were sitting on his back porch one evening looking out over the land he had inherited from his father and grandfather. I asked him how much was his.

With a huge smile he gazed out and said "All of it"

Apparantly he is sitting on over 50,000 acres.

His life dream is what he told me.

Different strokes for different folks..........

In 2004, there were 3,308 unintentional fatal drownings in the United States, averaging nine people per day. This figure does not include the 676 fatalities, from drowning and other causes, due to boating-related incidents (CDC 2006; USCG 2006).



OK everyone. No more water related recreation PERIOD. Its too risky and it's making the coal miners numbers look WAY to good.

47 people died in mining activities in 2006.

Fuck! More people choke on pretzels and die a year than that!

Fuck! More people choke on pretzels and die a year

Too bad Bush wasn't one of them when he choked on his pretzel a couple years ago.

"Too bad Bush wasn't one of them when he choked on his pretzel a couple years ago."

How many people here did NOT see that comming?

Fuck! More people choke on pretzels and die a year than that!

Can't tell but are you advicating laws on how to eat a pretzel right or reducing laws of work mining safety standards?

You're slightly confused!

How many people here did NOT see that comming?

How many set it up?

Sixteen tons and what do you get
another day older and deeper in debt.

This sad story just continues to get worse.

Posted by danni at 2007-08-17 03:22 PM |


Oh Danni, Where are YOU?

1900 - Fatalities .003319355

2006 - Fatalities . 000394136

Population in 1900?

Population in 2006?

Yeah it's getting worse Danni. Dimwit

Fuck! More people choke on pretzels and die a year than that!

I choke on a pretzel and it is my fault, I go to work and get killed for lack of safety concerns and it is still my fault.

2112

Nice twist on words Moneyshot

Try again

Population in mining 1900?
Population in mining 2006?

Do the %'s facialwar

Set it up in excel, import the data type in the formula and get back to us.

In short.

Do your own homework!

We are miners, hard rock miners
To the shaft house we must go
Pour your bottles on our shoulders
We are marching to the slow

On the line boys, on the line boys
Drill your holes and stand in line
'til the shift boss comes to tell you
You must drill her out on top

Can't you feel the rock dust in your lungs?
It'll cut down a miner when he is still young
Two years and the silicosis takes hold
And I feel like I'm dying from mining for gold

Yes, I feel like I'm dying from mining for gold

Population in mining 1900?
Population in mining 2006?


Posted by moneywar at 2007-08-17 04:14 PM


Look at the stats in the chart 2112 provided, ya moron. I already did the math for you as far as the clinton, bush years are concerned just so Danni and Redneck didn't have to spend the next 2 weeks trying to remember how to multiply and divide. That is, if they ever fully learned in the first place.

Gotta love the Cowboy Junkies,

Playing them there electrical gutairs powered by electricity made from..........................
..............................
..................wait........
..............................
..............................
..............wait




BURNING COAL

omg

DO YOU PEOPLE REALIZE THAT IF IT WERENT FOR COAL MINERS WE COULDNT BE SITTING HERE BITCHING AND MOANING LIKE WE ARE?



The irony of it all.......

Gota go to the bank and deposit my paycheck I'm making from this mean ole company I own.


I think I'll take the long way to the bank and back. There is this cool lake that usually has pellicans in it about this time. They are fun to watch.


Be back though

Do the %'s facialwar

Why? Just questioning the fallacy of your post and you don't like it.

So you are saying that mining is safe and doesn't need to increase safety. Well, why don't you tell that to the 47 families and how you like to compare the numbers to other related "WORK" PLACE ACCIDENTS.

Well, in my state there are we get our electricity from water and air and sell the left over to your coal generating state.

Please tell us the death rate in 2006 for dams and windmills.

"DO YOU PEOPLE REALIZE THAT IF IT WERENT FOR COAL MINERS WE COULDNT BE SITTING HERE BITCHING AND MOANING LIKE WE ARE?"



The irony of it all.......

Posted by _2112_ at 2007-08-17 04:25 PM


YEAH!

The Irony is overwhelming!

All the more reason to make sure these guys are safe and highly paid for their contribution to "Our way of Life" don't you think?

Probably not! You're smart enough to know that if people are made desperate enough they will do anything to keep from watching their kids starve.

In fact, your whole concept of "profit" is based on it!

Probably not! You're smart enough to know that if people are made desperate enough they will do anything to keep from watching their kids starve.

In fact, your whole concept of "profit" is based on it!

Posted by Redneckville at 2007-08-17 04:45 PM |


YEAH, Miners aren't in it for the money/profit, they go down there even though it pays exactly the same and has the same benefits as your run of the mill burger joint.

The mines in my state have a waiting list of people wanting jobs with the mine opposed to other forms of labor to be had.

You truly don't have a clue. Have you ever actually had ANY job?

Incubus shows his ignorance once again and again and again.

The issue is not about the money per say but about the "SAFETY" and that my friend is where your being idiotic.

I understand all to well it's about safety. I also understand all to well that nature isn't always safe no matter how much money you throw at it in attempts to overcome it (shit will happen.) I also understand that we learn as we go and when shit happens we adjust and try to make less shit happen.

I also understand all to well that people like you who scream for righteousness aren't willing to pay any more for a kilowatt of electricity than you're already paying. Same goes for gas, food, cable tv, air conditioners, automobiles, lumber etc. etc. etc.

I'm sorry that in the present reality money makes the world go around. I truly wish it didn't but it does. Even for you.

Please tell us the death rate in 2006 for dams and windmills.


Posted by moneywar at 2007-08-17 04:32 PM |


Before anyone can do that we'd have to calculate the deaths of the people that mined the ore, gathered the petroleum to make the plastics, drove the trucks, the dozers, the shovels, piloted the ships, worked the foundries, etc. etc. etc.

Or do you suppose the things just magically appear?

WOW!!!

Incubus,

you are just a funny guy without actually knowing what you are talking about.

Let's see, 47 people died in 2006 in mining coal. Was that actually in the mine working or was that including the transporting, refining, etc....

So now I guess those percentage numbers are all made up too.

There is a reason in most high character companies the words "SAFETY FIRST" has meaning. It is not "MONEY" then safety.

It is shocking how non-caring you are with workers lives that seemed to be putting the power in your house.

When the Republican Senate -- who since the day Bush was first selected into office marched in lockstep with everything der Bush demanded -- did not feel Stickler was any good for the job you KNOW the guy was rotten. But that only made Bush want Stickler for the job more than ever.

BLOOD ON BUSH'S HANDS -- AGAIN

Last Year's Coal Mine Deaths Increase 210 Percent Over 2005

by Mike Hall, Jan 2, 2007

The 12 coal miners killed in a Jan. 2, 2006, explosion at the Sago Mine in West Virginia were the first to die. On Dec. 17, John Elliot, killed in a roof collapse at the Dana Co.'s Prime No. 1 Mine near Maidsville, W.Va., was the 47th and last coal miner killed on the job last year, the deadliest year in the nation's coal mines since 1996.

The death toll is a 210 percent increase over 2005, when 22 coal miners died on the job.

The Mine Workers (UMWA) union and other coal safety advocates fear the trend could continue due to:

1. The huge demand for coal and its profits.

2.The Bush administration's lax enforcement record since taking over the Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA) in 2001.

3. A workforce that is expected to grow younger and more inexperienced in the coming years.
Former MSHA administrator Davitt McAteer tells USA Today:

The big push is to get black stuff out of the ground. You neglect infrastructure, maintenance, education and (safety law) compliance. It begins to catch up with you.

Another former top MSHA official, Tony Oppegard, who served during the Clinton administration, is more blunt. He tells the newspaper that the Bush administration's mine safety enforcement practices are to blame for the extraordinary rise in fatalities.

No matter where you turn there are sick, dying or dead Americans due to the Bush policies. Slashes and cutbacks to food and safety inspectors while he pushes non-stop for more and more 3rd dirty and unhealthy and dangerous products to be brought into our country, a continual cutting back or destroying of every agency that provides any protection for Americans.

MORE BLOOD ON BUSH'S HANDS

It is shocking how non-caring you are with workers lives that seemed to be putting the power in your house.

Posted by moneywar at 2007-08-17 07:32 PM |


You're a phoney. Nowhere did I state I am non caring at the loss of anyones's life, though at this point I might be able to make an exception in the cases of you, danni and redneck (just joking)

Here's the facts pal. Safety costs money and time. And though it's said you can never be SAFE ENOUGH the reality is that economically safety has a price, and finding the balance between safe enough and productively bringing the necessities of life to the masses isn't as easily solved like it is here on this board by you and all the other know it alls.

How much less coal are you willing to have mined so that nobody dies? Now be careful... and remember it gets cold in many parts of the world during winter.

Here's the facts pal. You don't know what happened in that mine nor does anyone else at this point. You have heard that some rescuers have died, have you not? How many rescuers are you willing to lose to find these trapped miners? Be truthful with yourself cause I'm going to tell you what. It took the death of 3 more lives to satisfy venomous creatures like yourself. If they had not attempted to find these miners as fast as they could (deciding when it was "SAFE ENOUGH") you and those like you would have been screaming to high heaven about that.

The truth is, you and others like you scream regardless what occurs. You view any and all companies that bring necessary services to the masses as evil as well as the people that own them. You always know better, and why they shoulda, woulda, coulda done something different. Though in reality you have no facts nor experience in the matters at hand.

I'm finsihed with you now.

Go fuck yourself you dimwitted hypocrite.

Dear InUrButt,

You have no experience either.

It's not profits, it's GREED.

I have experience and I can tell you the Sago miners died because the Mine Health & Safety Act of 1969 written with the blood of the 78 miners who died in the 1968 Farmington disaster. It was updated in 1977 and then with the advent of Raygun-nomics began to be watered down.

If the original intent of the Act had still existed there would definitely not have been fatalities at that facility on that day.

It appeared that both sides of the area these people (Crandall Canyon Miners) were in had been mined out. Take the weight of the mountain that had been resting on a big area and place that weight on the much smaller existing area and you get bumps. The rescue effort is removing even more of that area worsening conditions. This mine was almost finished, they were getting coal they shouldn't have went after.

The fatality rate has fallen over the years because employment has dropped so drastically due to mechanization.

When the law that required Self Rescuers that supplied oxygen was implemented the coal operators had none on hand, they showed receipts where they were ordered the previous day. They didn't show up in the mine until over a year later.

How many occupations require you to wear a Self Contained Self Rescuer.

47 miners out of a total of how many? Compare that to how many people eat pretzels.

It appears the Right only supports the right to make profits at any cost and the Left believes in the constitution. The government is supposed to protect the general population not just the 1%.

Listen INCUBUS, you dumb son of a bitch, everyone knows that we need coal and appreciate these coal miners, take your head out of the ass of these owners and try and see the situation from the miners point of view. All anyone is saying it to make it safe, what about that don't you understand??????? I'm sure that you already Fuck yourself, so have a good evening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

these people are doing their best to try to rescue those miners, stop the stupid comments

a cheer for their efforts is the right thing to do

"Safety costs money and time."

Safety is an unavoidable cost of doing business. Your only choice is whether you cover the cost front-load or back-load.

Safety is a much better bargain when paid up front-load. The back-load safety charges (lawsuits and fines) are real killers.

Once again the death of innocent Americans, can be laid at the feet of Republician Party Partisians!!!! WHEN WILL THIS MADNESS END!!!!!!!!!! Hopefully January 20, 2009...Unless we are fortunate enough to have these incompetent clowns IMPEACHED!!!!!!!

Posted by celisary



Is this satire? sarcasm?

Are people on this board really this cynical?

It appeared that both sides of the area these people (Crandall Canyon Miners) were in had been mined out. Take the weight of the mountain that had been resting on a big area and place that weight on the much smaller existing area and you get bumps. The rescue effort is removing even more of that area worsening conditions. This mine was almost finished, they were getting coal they shouldn't have went after.


When this in FACT proven CONCLUSIVELY then I'll be on board for any punishment the owners incur. Until then I won't rush to judgement and I sure as hell won't jump on the banwagon it's Bush's fault. He doesn't operate the mine.

It appears the Right only supports the right to make profits at any cost and the Left believes in the constitution. The government is supposed to protect the general population not just the 1%.



And I say the majority of people aren't nearly as partisan as you and others on this board seem to think.

thnx for the welcome spuds...can sure tell your a fellow canuck...your sooo damn polite:)

Last:
You haven't changed a bit. You have been here since 12/14/06 and still have no clue.
"Are people on this board really this cynical?"
The answer is ...
YES!
Try to read, think, and then post.

2112:
The big, bad company that you OWN does not have direct deposit?

JUBAL


thnx for the welcome spuds...can sure tell your a fellow canuck...your sooo damn polite:)

Posted by jubal_harshaw at 2007-08-18 03:24 PM | Reply

Since you're Canadian, what do you think of your Prime Minister selling Canada out and planning on merging Canada and Mexico with the U.S. into the North American Union (NAU)? Are you Canadians for it or against it? Bush meets in Ottawa next week to push the NAU further ahead.

Try to read, think, and then post....

hahahahaha -- if you required that before posting comments on DR half the population would have to leave

"It is shocking how non-caring you are with workers lives that seemed to be putting the power in your house."

Incubus -- read any of moneywar's posts and you'll see this his favorite retort. His imagination doesn't go very far beyond accusing people of being uncaring and calling them names. Ignore him. Most do.

There is this cool lake that usually has pelicans in it about this time.

"The funniest thing 'bout a Pelican?
It's beak can hold more than it's belly can!"

That's gotta be Ogden Nash but Spud is unsure.

thnx for the welcome spuds...can sure tell your a fellow canuck...your sooo damn polite:)

Strewth, we is a li'l overly polite at times.

Sorry 'bout that. ;^)

Yer welcome btw.

West Coaster? East Coaster? Prairie Pounder?

Pls don't say yer a Maple Leafs fan.

Spud hates that. :>(

Be Well.

PS: Yes, well and truly gone now.

Spud is just hafta ackowledge Jubals postage.

To not do so woulda been impolite, ya see.

Once again the death of innocent Americans, can be laid at the feet of Republician Party Partisians!!!! WHEN WILL THIS MADNESS END!!!!!!!!!! Hopefully January 20, 2009...Unless we are fortunate enough to have these incompetent clowns IMPEACHED!!!!!!!

Posted by celisary

"Is this satire? sarcasm? "

No, there are people who actually believe that every negative thing that happens in the world is Bush's fault, no matter how far removed from it and every ray of sunshine, every singing bird, every rainbow exists because of the Democrats. Go figure.

spuds...upper mid...not a leafs fan in the least... up in mining country in northern Mb..

spuds...upper mid...not a leafs fan in the least... up in mining country in northern Mb..

Glad to hear yer not a Leafs Fan.

Stormy is or was at last report.

One TML fan around here is plenty thinks Spud.

Manitoba? Spud was actually born in Winipeg.

Mining Country in Northern Manitoba must be a little like Northern BC.

Haff you met The Perfect Storm and PanchoVilla yet?

They too haff maple syrup aflowin' through their veins.

Be Well.

The 2 biggest scourges on this earth?????


1. The Vancouver Canucks

2. The Bluewater Bridge (heading into Canada



Let's see if this post garners a response...

The Two biggest scourges on earth?

1. The Detroit Red Wings.

2. Delusional Morons who think that the Wings are even remotely fit to tie the Canucks skates.

Hi Jeff!

Spud was gonna tell the Canucks to take it easy on Detroit this year cos their such a bunch of soft-asses but after that last post Spud don't think he's gonna.

:P

Be Well.

Great retort, Spud!