Joe should be proud to have raised such a son.

Let's See Mitt Yells And Screams How We Are At War And America Is Threaten !!

The Army Is Doing All It Can To Recruit And US Troops Are Going On Their 4 Rotations Into OIF And OEF.

Where Are Mitt's 5 Sons ?

Oh driving Around On A Bus Defending America By Helping Their Daddy Get Elected !

Great !!

-Sarge

Where Are Mitt's 5 Sons ?

Protecting us over here, so they don't have to protect us over there.

I'm still unclear what the candidates' sons' chosen professions have to do with the candidate himself.

How come he's not a real patriot and campaigning for his Dad and the Dems???

-The Delusional Right

Goat: You don't think the way a man raises his sons reflects on the father?

I'm still unclear what the candidates' sons' chosen professions have to do with the candidate himself.

Posted by goatman at 2007-08-16 10:20 PM | Reply

Maybe MORAL and ETHICAL Integridy of how a Parent raised their Child being shown through actions more than words. You know the putting up or shutting up. Well Bidens Son is putting up a whole lot more than can be said with many a right winger exception of John McCaint. You Dig??

Larry

I'm still unclear what the candidates' sons' chosen professions have to do with the candidate himself.

Are We not At War ? I Hear Nothing But "This War Is For The Survival Of This Country Folks"

-Rush

We Have To Defend This Country And The Democrats Don't Understand That We Have Been Attacked And We Are At War So Everything Else Is Off The Table My Friends

-Sean

So During Revolutionary War, Mexican American War, Spanish American War, WWI,WWII, Korea, Indo-China War Did We Have Lines Of Volunteers Because They Loved America And We Were At War !!

How Can You Get Away With "We Got To Fight Them Over There So We Don't Have to Fight Them Over Here" BS And Not Feel Obligated To Defend America, Oh It's Not that Important Let Some Other Ass Clown Fight This War For America Survival.

I Want To Let Loose With A Size 12 On All Of Them !

-Sarge

I'm still unclear what the candidates' sons' chosen professions have to do with the candidate himself.


He's the proud father telling us what his sons are doing to serve the country.

Seems a little lame, dontcha think?

Not to mention out of touch.

"Maybe MORAL and ETHICAL Integridy of how a Parent raised their Child being shown through actions more than words. "

Good point, Larry. Let's see, good thing Gore wasn't elected since he raised his child to be a dope head -- not only a dopehead, but a STUPID dopehead who doesn't know better than to keep his car under 100 MPH when carrying.

Jimmy Carter -- raised his son (JEC III, aka Chip) to be a pothead. He was busted twice.

Should I go on with your logic here, Larry?

Are We not At War ? I Hear Nothing But "This War Is For The Survival Of This Country Folks"

-Rush

We Have To Defend This Country And The Democrats Don't Understand That We Have Been Attacked And We Are At War So Everything Else Is Off The Table My Friends

-Sean

Thanks, Sarge.


From the beginning, Bush wanted to hearken back to WWII and Rosie the riveter. "Axis of Evil" dontcha know.

Hard to relate to that with no shared sacrifice. That and the "moral imperative" of tax cuts.

"Seems a little lame, dontcha think?"

Yes I admit that is a bit -- no a lot -- lame.

Good point, Larry. Let's see, good thing Gore wasn't elected since he raised his child to be a dope head -- not only a dopehead, but a STUPID dopehead who doesn't know better than to keep his car under 100 MPH when carrying.

Jimmy Carter -- raised his son (JEC III, aka Chip) to be a pothead. He was busted twice.

Should I go on with your logic here, Larry?

Posted by goatman at 2007-08-16 10:45 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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You REALLY want to go there I could say some things about Dubya's Kids but I won't I am better than that You dig??

Larry

"Goat: You don't think the way a man raises his sons reflects on the father?"


No, my son turned out to be an infinitely better person than me.

OK, joke mode off.

You tell me. See my response to Larry above. If you agree with that then, yes, I reckon I can go along with it, too.

"You REALLY want to go there I could say some things about Dubya's Kids but I won't I am better than that You dig??"

Sure Larry, I dig. I'm trying to see if you can be intellectually honest. I see you can't.

I guess that says a lot about your father, right?

Gman


What I don't get is how dense some of these guys can be.


'Course at the moment I'm thinking of Mitt with this and the dog on the car roof story.


Did you hear him explain the dog thing the other day? It sounded even more stupid this time. I've never heard of an airtight kennel before. Especially one that lets the dog shit out. It must have some kind of airlock or something.

No Goatman You are being a piece of shit like usual that is blatantly obvious. Oh and I never once mentioned ANY of Your family when conversing with You Goatman You dig that You Bastard. You got a problem with Me fine no problem but Leave My Family out of it You Dig that??

Larry

Maybe Gore's son got busted to put an end to any discussion of his father entering the race? It's either that, or...
b. he's INCREDIBLY stupid, or
c. he's got such an over inflated sense of privilege that he didn't think he could get busted.

Larry -- intellectual honest test. Don't dodge, please.

You said:

"Maybe MORAL and ETHICAL Integridy of how a Parent raised their Child being shown through actions more than words. "

Al Gore Jr is a stupid doper. He was popped going 100MPH with several drugs. Therefore, according to your statement above, Al Gore Sr's integrity is trashed since he raised little jr to be a stupid doper.

Let's see if you can pass this test, Larry. Intellectual honesty. Prove to me you have it.

Goat,


Larry and I can't even agree on the color of the sky.

That said, Larry has been VERY consistent over the last 3 years about family members of politicians being off-limits to slurs (unless of course said family member personally injects themselves into the political arena).

It may be about the only thing he and I have ever found agreement upon - keep the family out of it.

"You got a problem with Me fine no problem but Leave My Family out of it You Dig that??"

I said nothing derogatory about your family. It's all about how you perceive yourself, Larry. if you think you are intellectually honest, then so is your dad. If you think you aren't, then your dad isn't. This is YOUR logic, Larry, not mine. You are the one who opened this can of worms and now you are freaking out that it is being used against you.

Larry,


All of that said, I see where Goat is going.


Please clarify your statement that he reproduced.

"'Course at the moment I'm thinking of Mitt with this and the dog on the car roof story. "

I think I heard something about it with the radio down low. I didn't catch the whole thing. Airtight kennel though has me LingOL, though.

Could just mean he's a terrible father. Guy was busy in Washington the last 30 odd years, right?
Absentee Dad and a mom who while trying to Censor musicians lyrics, simultaneously claimed to love the grateful dead.

"You want to know where I learned it?

I learned it from YOU, mom!!!"

All of that said, I see where Goat is going.


Please clarify your statement that he reproduced.

Posted by JeffJ at 2007-08-16 11:06 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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There is nothing to clarify JeffJ He isn't getting anymore from Me.

Larry

Are you guys going to argue on every thread?

Life is too short!

Peace and love!!

Yes Miss Lisa I will behave Miss Lisa.

Larry

"It may be about the only thing he and I have ever found agreement upon - keep the family out of it."

I agree, too, and it is a noble trait that I give Larry credit for. He is to be recognized for that attribute. However, I am holding his feet to the fire for what he wrote

"Maybe MORAL and ETHICAL Integridy of how a Parent raised their Child being shown through actions more than words."

He obviously believes it applies to Romney and his sons. So I don't think it's unfair to ask him if he thinks it's unfair to apply the same logic to Gore and his son or any other father/son pair

"Yes Miss Lisa I will behave Miss Lisa."

LOL

You're so easy, Larry!!

I love ya!

Larry,


I am confused as well.


The post that Goat fixated on DOES seem to contradict (to some extent) your long-held stance on keeping family out of political ugliness.


What I am asking is a more detailed explanation of that post so I can better understand your position.....


Actually, never mind. Upon re-reading your post, you didn't deviate from your original position.

My bad.

Has to be the biggest foot in mouth moment of any candidate in the race so far. And of course the media doesn't cover it.

I mean, how much more elitist can you appear?

Stereotypically, I need to ask a question. Is it common for LDS' to serve? I've known scores of them but not a veteran among them. Most are already married with kids or on mission around the time that kids usually enlist. Not that I'm being critical, exactly, because I haven't served either. Though I'd never equate working on a presidential campaign with risking your life for years in service of this country.

JeffJ where did I mention any other politician by name in My Statements NO WHERE

Larry

"There is nothing to clarify JeffJ He isn't getting anymore from Me."

That answer spoke volumes. Intellectual honesty escapes Larry.

"Now She Is The Damn Queen Of England !!"

No, I am! Ok...not of England, but I am the Queen!

Hi baby!!!

I love that you came back to post here.

PS...you're wife is not happy with me right now. I don't have a mic for my laptop...you'd think I committed a felony!

LOL

Goatman quit being a trool and a pile a shit while You are at it. I am contantly harrased by You are You by chance Jackass with one of those 25 Handles ?? You sure got a hard on for Me whomever You are.

Larry

EXACTLY Sarge and glad to see You back posting again.

Larry

"Goatman quit being a trool and a pile a shit while You are at it."

Larry....it wasn't six posts ago that you said you were going to behave!!

LOL

Now, play nice or I'll seperate you two to seperate blogs!

Yes Miss Lisa You can spank Me wednesday LOL

Larry

"Maybe MORAL and ETHICAL Integridy of how a Parent raised their Child being shown through actions more than words"

Equates To:

Princess Elizabeth changing a vehicle wheel during WWII 1945, Princess Elizabeth convinced her father that she should be allowed to contribute directly to the war effort.

-Sarge

"Yes Miss Lisa You can spank Me wednesday LOL"

There'll be none of that!!

"Goatman quit being a trool and a pile a shit while You are at it. I am contantly harrased by You are You by chance Jackass with one of those 25 Handles ?? You sure got a hard on for Me whomever You are."

All I wanted you to do is admit that what goes for Romney and his sons also goes for Gore and his sons. You can't do it. If that makes me a trool and a shit, so be it, but actually you inability to be intellectually honest says a lot more about you than it does me.

You made a statement. Either stand by it or abandon it.

"Maybe MORAL and ETHICAL Integridy of how a Parent raised their Child being shown through actions more than words. "

Do you stand by that statement, Larry? Easy question -- yes or no

Hi Lisa and Larry

I never involve Myself with the sons and daughters of Politicians so I will not comment further. You can trool on someone else.

Larry

Now, play nice or I'll seperate you two to seperate blogs!

LOL

As I've been saying here for well over a year, the candidate who is best qualified during these times to be President is Joe Biden.

The fact that he's raised a son who is proudly serving his country and shipping out to Iraq speaks volumes for both father and son.

America would do well to look seriously at this man for his leadership and intellect - alas, I doubt it will happen.

Well, I'm off to bed.

Behave yourselves.

Ciao!

GZ,


He's one of the few Democrats that seems to have a genuine understanding of National Security.

Therefore, he doesn't stand a chance in the Democratic primaries. :-)

I couldn't agree with you more Jeff

Duncan Hunter has the same qualities as Biden--He served in Vietnam and his som is going on his second tour in Iraq.


Hey Jeff--

How's it going?

Murphy

His son--is going to Iraq again.

Murphy

"He's one of the few Democrats that seems to have a genuine understanding of National Security.

Therefore, he doesn't stand a chance in the Democratic primaries. :-)"

That's not the reason he doesn't have a chance, but the real reason isn't any less disappointing.

Maybe media coverage plays a role? From an entertainment perspective, Clinton and Obama can draw more eyes to news coverage for the obvious reasons. All you can write about Biden is.... substantive. Most people don't pay attention to that kind of coverage.

Hi Murph!


Things are going well.


How are things in Cali?

Biden doesn't stand a chance because He isn't well connected like ole Hillary is. It's a crying shame that is for sure.

Larry

First off, Beau Biden is a cool name.

Get that out of the way right off the bat.

Second, so Bidens kid makes it wot? One fer the Dems?

...and wot again fer the GOPhers and their Gitmo doubling ways?

Still zero?

Finally, Beau is JAG Biden? Cos Iraq is fulla order and just needs a little more Law presumably?

No firm date to depart yet but his units been activated?

Interesting.

Be Well.

Hey Spuderick John McCaint has a Son either IN Iraq now or was in Iraq. Just an FYI for Ya.

Larry

Duncan and Webb both have kids serving.
I remember Webb because there was some tiff between him and the president after last election where the president asked him "how's your boy?" and Webb responded with something that made the president feel disrespected. I also think webb was wearing a pair of his son's combat boots for a while.

The thing is if a child is helping their parent win an election then obviously they themselves are saying they fully support the public policies of the parent. So the Bush twins helped out in election 2004, they should get their asses in the military. The Romney guys who all have these murky careers which basically say "employeed by daddy" should also get their asses to Iraq.

On the flip side their is no pressure on the Guilianni kids.

And to give Gore a little bit of credit he makes his son drive a Prius and work in a philantropy magazine. Gore Sr has bukko money. Jr could drive a Ferrari to work if Daddy let him.

Yeah the kid is a bit of an idiot but I expect his parents were soft on him when he almost died in a car accident as a child.

He's a national guard lawyer, let's not pretend he's Rambo for christ's sake. How many lawyers do you think are dodging IED's and bullets in Iraq?
Sure, his service is commendable, and rare for the child of an elected official, but it's not as if he's an Infantry Officer.

And for all of you dumbshits patting Biden on the back for having a son in the JAG's office because it shows Biden's character, what do you think about Albert Gore and Lil Al? How does that reflect on him?

Speaking of character, Biden's a plagiarist.

I know a person who was close with Biden. Biden is a class act. The only Dem in the race that I could see myself supporting for President.

Congrats shitdick, you managed to find a chief warrant officer from the JAG corps that got killed in the 5 years we've been there. Now take a look at how many of the KIA's are Infantry stupid.

Hurry up and get a new handle puppet.

Asshole, it's not my job to compare which is the riskiest assignment in Iraq just to prove you don't know shit about what you are saying.

Well then you better get busy because all you did was prove my point.
He's a lawyer, not Rambo, not an Infantry Officer. Where did you prove me wrong? In fact your reluctance to compare "risks" proes me right dumb-fuck.

Now do like I said puppet and go back to whatever handle(s) you were using prior to succumbing to the embarrassment and creating Furryhole.

Biden's plan to partition the country into Kurdish, Shiite, and Sunni regions with a weak central government and shared oil revenues makes the most sense of any i've heard the last 4 years.

When the British left India in 1947 all hell broke loose, but they created Pakistan for the Muslims, and today India is emerging into the modern world.

Biden's plan to partition the country into Kurdish, Shiite, and Sunni regions with a weak central government and shared oil revenues makes the most sense of any i've heard the last 4 years.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2007-08-17 09:37 AM | Reply

I agree completely (in concept). I just don't see any way to accomplish it practically. They'll never agree with the breakdown of revenues, who controls the pipelines, etc

It's definitely better than redeploying to Okinowa right Murtha?

"Just For You Sarge. Biden's Character? He's A Racist."

Given Biden's career, his record etc. that statement of his is hardly racist unless of course you happen to be running against him in which case you will use and exploit anything which even resembles something racist.

For example Biden's statement that Obama was "clean"

Is Joe Biden a racist ?
Come on ... maybe he's guilty of being less then politically correct now and then which to me is refreshingly normal.

As for him being a plagiarist, he partly lifted a speech the UK Labour leader Neil Kinnock gave WOW BIG DEAL !!
But the Republicans did their little dance and Biden became a big bad plagiarist and God knows we can't have one of them (whatever they are) in the WH - and so his poll numbers sank.

Hopefully after the last 8 years ie Katrina and Iraq, Americans have lightened up on the inane stupid stuff about candidates and will now focus on what's important which is does the candidate understand the issues and can the candidate think on his feet ... Biden scores on both counts IMHO

GZ,
I could care less what Biden said (I simply am playing Sarge's game and the game of the leftwing kooks where you call somebody a racist and then put youtube videos up). Same for Hillary Clintons "Ghandi" comment...Off color, but it got glossed over by the MSM. Look what happened when somebody said "Macacca".

I'm pointing out hypocracy GZ, not harping on some guy who doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting nominated.

101

Every militia member in iraq has family. Sooner or later, if we let them duke it out, they'll tire of a war of attrition as every other war zone has in history and reach a settlement. Again, look at India after the British left in 1947. 2 million killed. They tired of war - including interfactional fighting - and ended it by partitioning the country thus creating Pakistan. There hasn't been an internal war in India since.

Also, I doubt the regional nations want an all out and long lasting conflict in their neighborhood.

I think once we're gone Iraqis will have no one to blame but themselves for their troubles and will reach an accord. Right now it seems like we're only fanning the flames by our presence in Iraq. Maybe if we leave they'll be forced to come to terms.

Maybe the 1/4 of the country who left Iraq, the brain trust living elsewhere, can return once things settle down and rebuild their governmental bodies and fill them with compotent people. Something they had until we de-Baathified the government and the educated, experienced folks fled in fear for their lives.

101Chairborne,

I read a story last week about how Navy and Air Force personel are being given two weeks of combat training and being set out on patrol with Army and Marines. How long do you think it is before JAG officers are out there walking patrol?

Goat,

I don't think it's hypocritical to call Romney out on his claim of his sons being patriotic by helping him get elected. Gore's not running for president, and not shoving his son into the limelight for political gain. That doesn't make his son any less stupid, but he's not exactly riding around in his prius campaigning for anyone.

You REALLY want to go there I could say some things about Dubya's Kids but I won't I am better than that You dig??

Larry

Posted by LarryMohr at 2007-08-16 10:52 PM | Reply


sure larry.......which bush twin do you want to start with.....the one who has gone with laura to africa for aids awareness or the one who writes children's books...........
I am sure you would much rather talk about them as college students who would.....OH GASP AND GOD ALL MIGHTY>......WOULD DRINK AT SCHOOL.........oh heaven help us....college students drinking.....oh please help us all...........
ITS THE END OF ACADEMIA......there were college students DRINKING and thier names were barbara and jenna....

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

101Chairborne,

I read a story last week about how Navy and Air Force personel are being given two weeks of combat training and being set out on patrol with Army and Marines. How long do you think it is before JAG officers are out there walking patrol?


Posted by ddenton at 2007-08-17 10:13 AM | Reply


Every soldier in the military should know how to patrol, that's why enlisted personell and Officers are given "Basic Training" (officers call it something else). I can't speak for the AF or Navy's Basic training or Military Occupational Specialties because I was Army. If they were MP's(or SP's or whatever they call theirs) then I don't find that strange at all.

good point ddenton but the fact remains........
double standard is alive and well..

look at chelsea thread.......couldnt talk about her, but rudy's kids are liberal posterchildren....


and goat was also referring to, if I can talk for him, he was referring to all of the parenting comments from liberals who think its okay that thier daughter get an abortion without them even knowing it.....( or is it that they thinks its okay for others people's children to have that)......


I can only hope that gore has the good sense to keep him mouth shut during this discussion.....

and to be fair,,,,,,,maybe romney too......comment didnt help him although I understand his clarification about it last sunday..........


and has anyone bothered to even say this.

biden
hunter
mccain


what difference does it make........God speed and safety to all.

...and not shoving his son into the limelight for political gain. That doesn't make his son any less stupid, but he's not exactly riding around in his prius campaigning for anyone.

Posted by ddenton at 2007-08-17 10:13 AM | Reply |


Because his son is a twice busted doper and theif.

It's not a parents choice (whether he/she is running for office or not) on whether or not their children enlist. Adults make their own decisions.

All of you non-vets don't blame your parents for your lack of military service do you?

do you think Biden will show up in a sparkling uniform and trick some salty old colonel into admitting he did something Very, Very, Bad?

or maybe he'll just sit at his desk in the GZ, ride an armored car in to work every day, and let old dad milk his sacrifice...

Beau is doing a good job as our state's Attorney General, having cooperated with other government offices to put those who use the Internet to prey on children behind bars. And now he's going off to Iraq. This is a guy who is more affluent and wealthy than I am. He's putting all that on the line for the sake of his country. I respect him.

I don't think this means we should put Joe Biden (who I helped vote into the Senate, BTW) on a pedestal. Beau Biden is a grown man and his life, his decisions are his alone. If this deployment makes Joe Biden more qualified for the Presidency, it is only because he now has a personal committment to our soldiers, their mission, and their well being. It's a lot like an employee who through stock options or profit sharing has enhanced motivation to perform well.

I'm not sure where the racist allegations have come in. Maybe his 'Indian' comment? Delaware has a strong Indian community. Many of its members own restaurants, convenience stores, and cigarette outlets. These are family businesses and I fail to see any shame in that. Granted, the way he framed this comment was idiodic, and I'm not assuming that his stance is the same as mine.

What I will say definitively is this. Joe Biden does not consider himself better than the average American. He often attends events at the University of Delaware. One of my friends, who caters and bartends at such events, has often had conversations with the man. Many affluent people, whether they work in Capitol Hill or a DuPont executive office, simply do not talk to the help, the so-called plebians. They will not represent the interests of working Americans, not like Biden.

Even more so than the college money, training, patriotism, escaping poverty, etc..., based upon my experience recruiting, I would say the number one factor on whether or not a kid enlists, is the opinion of his or her parents.

That being said, if somebody like Romney truly believes our current war is the greatest challenge facing our civilization since WWII, we are fighting them in Iraq so we're not fighting them here, and the survival of the "American way-of-life" is being threatened, shouldn't he express at least some disappointment that his kids aren't serving?

Let's also clarify that Beau didn't exactly go to the recruiter at the mall.

101Chairborne,

"Every soldier in the military should know how to patrol, that's why enlisted personell and Officers are given "Basic Training" (officers call it something else). I can't speak for the AF or Navy's Basic training or Military Occupational Specialties because I was Army. If they were MP's(or SP's or whatever they call theirs) then I don't find that strange at all."

it's my fault for not clarifying, but the two week is a refresher course, not their original training. My point is, they're taking non-combat personnel and retasking them for combat roles. That's not to say that the military doesn't have that right, but to make the assumption that Beau Biden's not going to see combat because he's a JAG officer isn't bulletproof. The Army's suffering great losses of officers leaving the army after they return to the states, and Captains as I hear are in short supply, so who can say he won't end up on the front line?

it's my fault for not clarifying, but the two week is a refresher course, not their original training. My point is, they're taking non-combat personnel and retasking them for combat roles. That's not to say that the military doesn't have that right, but to make the assumption that Beau Biden's not going to see combat because he's a JAG officer isn't bulletproof. The Army's suffering great losses of officers leaving the army after they return to the states, and Captains as I hear are in short supply, so who can say he won't end up on the front line?

Posted by ddenton at 2007-08-17 11:41 AM | Reply |


Actually you made it pretty clear, it was my reply that was vague.
Let me clarify...In a war such as the one in Iraq and Afghanistan there aren't any front lines although there are still plenty of "REMF" areas. Any occupational specialty can be attacked at any time, and there is always a danger when ever in a conflict zone, it's just the degree of that danger that I was commenting on. The likelihood of a JAG officer seeing combat is very very low, especially compared to an Infantry Officer or Engineer.
Now as for the 2 week refresher course I can't comment specifically but for a number of reasons it makes sense to me. Every sailor, airman, marine, and soldier needs to know the basics and be refreshed on them. The Infantry lives that life and still does hip-pocket training on the basics.


The reason Captains are in short supply is because getting through the rank of 2lt and 1lt is relatively easy and can be done in a couple of years. It's comparable to most enlisted men getting out at e-4 or E-5 (about a 3 to 4 year hitch...the same time frame for making Captain).

In Desert Storm my cousin was a medic (actually something along the lines of "surgical assistant"...basically no real medical knowledge but was the lackey in the operating room). They used him and those like him for security and patrolling outside of the medical base (again, I'm not discounting your story, I know it happens a lot, I just don't know the specifics of the article you read). First and foremost your job in any branch of the military is "grunt".

Biden talks sense, but doesn't stand a chance in the general election. Romney is sixteen kinds of an asshole. If he manages to beat Rudy in the primaries, you can say hello to President Hillary.

Just sayin'.

Maybe GWB can give Beau some tips on how to get a deferment. Or Cheney can tell him how to draft dodge and make it look honorable. I'm sure Romney and Co. can also share some pointers.
Why is it that the asshole rightwing politicians never seem to have any kids in any risk of going to the wars which their parents help start?

Let's see, good thing Gore wasn't elected since he raised his child to be a dope head -- not only a dopehead, but a STUPID dopehead who doesn't know better than to keep his car under 100 MPH when carrying.

I don't know, George H Bush raised a son who was an admitted drunk and cokehead, had two DUIs and deserted from the Air Guard and there were enough idiots around to get HIM elected.
Of course Gore Jr. would have to become a Republican and find Jayzuzz to get the suckers to vote for him, but that's about the only problem. Oh yeah, he might have to bankrupt a couple of companies he ran.

NG: FF if I could figure out how to do it

Hey Spuderick John McCaint has a Son either IN Iraq now or was in Iraq. Just an FYI for Ya.

Larry

Posted by LarryMohr at 2007-08-17 12:27 AM

Hey, Larry --

I thought you never talked about the candidates' children. That's what you said, anyway.

Goat,

I don't think it's hypocritical to call Romney out on his claim of his sons being patriotic by helping him get elected. Gore's not running for president, and not shoving his son into the limelight for political gain. That doesn't make his son any less stupid, but he's not exactly riding around in his prius campaigning for anyone.

Posted by ddenton at 2007-08-17 10:13 AM |

That's right, of course dd. But here's what that was all about: Larry made the general statement (paraphrasing) that a man's son's actions are indicative of what kind of person the man himself was. I just wanted to see if he was intellectually honest to himslef to admit that Gore, then, would be a bad candidate. He couldn't

Goatman, stop being a fucktard.

Gonna have to agree with Goatman here, to some degree.

Either the Family is off-limits, or its fair game. Not both. You can't point to one candidates kid and go
"OH my , he's raised an awesome kid who is a standup member of society, he's gonna make a good president with good values and integrity" and then decry
"Who cares if his kids a dopehead, that has no impact on how he would lead the country, Leave the families out of this!"

It's strikes of being slightly hypocritical, and that goes for both sides.

Gusto,

I would totally agree with you if Larry had said "Gore would make a better President than Romney", and then made his comment regarding Romney, but that's not the case.

You said "You can't point to one candidates kid and go
"OH my , he's raised an awesome kid who is a standup member of society, he's gonna make a good president with good values and integrity" and then decry
"Who cares if his kids a dopehead, that has no impact on how he would lead the country, Leave the families out of this!""

That's not what Larry said. He made mention of McCain and Biden. So in this case I don't believe it's a double standard. Gore isn't a candidate. Yes, his son was retarded, but Gore's not running for President. The statement was about Romney and what he said, and it wasn't a comparison to Gore. I believe it was Goatman who began making comparisons to Gore's son. If Gore WERE a candidate, or became a candidate, then I would say his integrity as a parent should be questioned.

DDenton,
I was just looking more for a "final decision" on exactly how much of a candidates family can we legitimately throw into the political arena.

Whether its a yay or nay vote as to whether children are off limits, and if so, to what extent?

Minors yes, Adults no? If they make themselves (or their parents make them) part of the arena, yes, if they try and stay hidden, no?

I'd just like to cut through any of the knee jerk defensive talking points the moment someones kid gets tossed onto the national stage.

If you say "Adult Children of political candidates are open to public discourse as a way of judging a candidates integrity", thats fine by me, just be willing to accept it when/if it cuts against your candidate of choice.

Moder8 Goatman just has a Hard On for Me I don't know why. Pretty disgusting if You ask Me.

Larry

"dope head "

Posted by goatman at 2007-08-16 10:45 PM

You're dating yourself you grumpy old fuck.

Maybe GWB can give Beau some tips on how to get a deferment. Or Cheney can tell him how to draft dodge and make it look honorable. I'm sure Romney and Co. can also share some pointers.
Why is it that the asshole rightwing politicians never seem to have any kids in any risk of going to the wars which their parents help start?

Posted by moder8 at 2007-08-17 03:30 PM

Because they are "pussies".

which candidates kid did Larry not bring to your satisfaction (Gore is not a candidate, so don't bring him up)

so which kid, do you want him to answer for?

Yes, I admire Biden and his son's commintments, yes I admire McCains's son and his commitments, and yes these sons are a good indiction of their upbringing. What's the problem here? (other than you don't like Gore, and yes Gore's son's actions are related to his upbringing.

so goathead, stop being an idiot (most of us are laughing at you)

Per Onna: "so goathead, stop being an idiot (most of us are laughing at you)"


Actually, it's politer if we pretend to be laughing with him.

"Why is it that the asshole rightwing politicians never seem to have any kids in any risk of going to the wars which their parents help start?"

Because they chose not to enlist. duh. This question keeps getting asked in different forms. What's so hard about grasping the fact that the army is volunteer and some people choose not to enlist?

"You're dating yourself you grumpy old fuck."

True (how did you know that but she gives great head.

"Per Onna: "so goathead, stop being an idiot (most of us are laughing at you)"

What idiocy would that be? The idiocy of holding someone's feet to the fire when they are caught in a blatant act of hypocrisy?

Well, actually you are right if that person is Larry. Only an idiot would expect him to look at the truth and admit to it.

Glad I brought I chuckle or two to most of you. My vain attempt at making Larry see the truth was not completely wasted.