Bush has made Petraeous a whore. Tell me you're surprised.

This will make the report 3rd hand.

1-Petraeous to

2-Bush for final draft to

3-Cheney

Then the VP will insert it into the usual location

The result being that there is truth to the rumor that "The Shrub" pulls his facts out of his ass!

The Los Angeles Times reports that Gen. David Petraeus' upcoming Sept. 15 report on Iraq will be authored by the White House

Nu-uh!

There's there's no "will be" about it.

They've already written the thing, Karl did it on the way out the door as a li'l going away present. Wanna know wot it sez? It sez "we're turning the corner", "not safe but safer", "last throes", "a few dead enders" ie "We can't leave YET" (tm)

Be Well.

What a frickin' joke.


This administration has less-than-zero (not to plaigarize a movie title) credibility when it comes to assessments of progress in Iraq.

'Last throes' anyone?

The public has grown weary of this war.

The public has grown VERY skeptical of both Bush's running of the war AND his assessments.

Why in the fuck would he further the appearance of impropriety and politico spin by having his administration author the report?

The utter lack of political savvy coming from this administration is downright emberassing.

PS - Larry will probably read this post and then promptly forget that I authored it - so he can fuel his preconception that I am ALWAYS a partisan hack (admittedly, sometimes I AM a partisan hack).

Yet You would still vote for Dubya in a heartbeat if You Could.

Larry

In a heartbeat?


Hardly.


I'd vote for him over many, but not all, Democrats.



Seriously, that admission speaks volumes about the politics of the Democratic party.

Seriously, that admission speaks volumes about the politics of the Democratic party.

Posted by JeffJ at 2007-08-16 01:15 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

Actually it speaks Volumes about Your Politics.

Larry

"Actually it speaks Volumes about Your Politics."

You can be right when you want to be Larry. What Jeff said does indeed speak a lot about his politics. He is able to look at a person's past performances and compare them to other people, even if they are in a different party and make a wise decision.

You, on the other hand blindly vote Democrat without even looking at another candidate no matter what.

I'd rather that America was full of voters like Jeff and not blind sheeplish voters like you, Larry.

Bickering about who votes what merely distracts from the subject of this thread, which is hardly alarming, from this White House, but an overt admission that "spin" will be paramount in the September report. After all those assurances from Bush that he is "waiting for David". What a farce.

But farces don't generally kill people for hubris.

Politically I think the WH is making a really dumb move if they don't keep petraous report separate from the whole

I can understand that the the President wants to emphasize that he is the "commander in chief'" and Petraous is his subordinate so that Petraous first reports to the President, who then shares that report with Congress.

But the President and the GOP have made too much of Petraous' autonomy from the executive branch -- and people are looking for petraous to give an objective view free from partisan connection to either Congress or the White House.

Let's see how this story evolves over the next few days as both the right and left criticize the White House on this.

I suspect that the White House may allow Petraous to deliver his report, in person, before Congress and then make his report part of a more comprehensive White House report that covers all areas since the surge began -- oplitical, economic, social, military, etc.

But unless Petraous is made available to speak directly to Congress and answer their questions about his view of the surge, then anything the White House says about it, will lack credibility.

""I'd rather that America was full of voters like Jeff and not blind sheeplish voters like you, Larry.""

And Jeff and Goatman will hear the report and actually believe it. That's just sad. Funny but sad.

yeah he should talk to congress face to face but are all of you saying that general has to give a report to YOU before he reports to the commander in chief?????


I bet no one had to do that to lbj or fdr or even blowjob when it came to blowing up drug stores.

and the whole thing is as obvious as my pecker during 'the girl next door'............this is just another salvo in the liberal "discredit anything and everything at all costs because if we dont lose in iraq, we dont win in 08"

Kinda funny that the General has to report to the boss....certainly not the way it works in the private sector.

White House Will Write Petraeus Report

This is really rich.

Well, of course the White House is going to write "The Petraeus Report." Did anyone here really think they wouldn't?

You've got a shattered presidency with a president who believes God and History are on his side, who spent most of his time in office dictating his wishes and desires to a compliant legislative branch that never held him accountable. Anyone want to complain about this, Bush's response will be: "What, Me Worry? Heh, heh, heh."

In fact, I'm certain many DR posters could write a very short paragraph that accurately predicts the general outlines, contours, and overall message of "The Petraeus Report."

It's all about buying more time for George Bush so he can do as he has throughout his life: walk away and let someone else deal with the steaming shitpile he's made from wonderful opportunity.

BL, if they wanted credibility they would have the General report directly to Congress and the American people. Obviously spin is all we will get, so that Bush can pretend that things are progressing and allow him to continue this stupid war. Hopefully Congress will finally do their job and pull the plug, stop the money, end the war.
By 2008 Americans are going to be angry, we already are. Politically speaking this will help Democrats.

BL, if they wanted credibility they would have the General report directly to Congress and the American people.

I actually agree with Danni on this one.

The WH has been making such a big deal about Petraous as the trusted arbiter on the surge that both Congress and the President are expected to defer too, that any thing which smacks of WH interference in his Report will weaken its credibility and give the War's critics ammunition in their claim that the "fix" was in from the beginning.

So everyone is going to assume, based on all the evidence provided in the article, that Bush is going to write the report? This article is garbage.

What does WISGOD not understand about this statement????

""Despite Bush's repeated statements that the report will reflect evaluations by Petraeus and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, administration officials said it would actually be written by the White House, with inputs from officials throughout the government.""

In fact, I'm certain many DR posters could write a very short paragraph that accurately predicts the general outlines, contours, and overall message of "The Petraeus Report."



maybe not but I know one thing.........we can certainly predict the liberal reaction and in fact, we have prediced it already.......

my last line in post of 8:18 gives the overview to any response from the left....

and remember these are the same people who call me a "ouchebag" for having an "idiotic ribbon" on my car.........so why should we get thier approval before any report is given......


and bowa.......he should go before congress and answer any question they have without compromising any american life......but to say that he shouldnt report to the commander in chief is crazy and the left would call me correct......... if the pres were a dem.

Report will say......Surge working as predicted....but the Surge will secure Bagdad faster with more troops and if we invade Iran.

and now even the friggin us ambassador isnt supposed to talk to bush........geez.....you folks are scaring me.

maybe they should also take a lawyer with them when they do go before congress......those democrats and their little investigations might entrap them just like scooter.

Danni, the sub-title in the LATimes story is "Top general may propose pullbacks
Petraeus is expected to tell Congress that Iraqis can assume duties in some areas, freeing U.S. troops for other uses"

Did you actually read the LATimes story, or just Progessive?

Progessive = Think Progess

Report will say......Surge working as predicted....but the Surge will secure Bagdad faster with more troops and if we invade Iran.

Posted by fecal_matter at 2007-08-16 08:56


no one is saying to invade iran.....well I have but its easier sitting here at home to do that..


so lets just ignore iran....or maybe talk to the little hitler who would love to eradicate israel and murder all the jews....

NOW I JUST FIGURED OUT WHY THE LEFT IS IN LOVE WITH LITTLE HITLER.........he hates jews and israel....well that clears up a lot......

and the left will try and get us to ignore any successs at all.......brookings boys, la times just last week....and even the bushlover post extroadinare..........they just cant be right because if they are right we lose......what a wonderfull position to have.........

"might entrap them just like scooter."

Too bad lil' Scooter didn't thwart those nasty Republican prosecutors by telling them the truth, isn't it?

"but to say that he shouldnt report to the commander in chief is crazy"

BL, He should report to the commander in chief -- and petraous' report should be included in a subsequent larger white house report that covers all the bases that have been affected by the surge.

BUT, given the political climate and how Petraous has been sold to the Congress and the american people as someone who is fair minded and non-partisan, I think he needs to be able to deliver a stand alone report, that is his and his alone -- to the Congress and answere questions about it.

I do not think that if petraous gives his report to the WH, who then incudes it as only one part in a comprehensive white house report on the surge. it would be well received-- nor should it be.

IF Shrub could write. He doesn't read so how can you expect him to write. Just more bullshite from that crowd.

I can't believe anyone 'in their right mind' would think there's a shred of truth that falls out of this evil creature's pie hole.

".....that any thing which smacks of WH interference in his Report will weaken its credibility and give the War's critics ammunition in their claim that the "fix" was in from the beginning" - Bowa.

Welcome to the real world, Bowa, dude. The "fix" WAS in from the beginning.

It's the "another six months" syndrome. This time they may actually say something they previously ruled out - like "we will start to withdraw troops in another six months if the progress (sic) continues"

Fortunately for the Bush administration our Democratic leaders in Congress will do absolutely nothing. Gutless, unimaginative, old farts. Get some real leadership for crying out loud. Send Grandma Pelosi home. Harry needs to retire.

Zap, why did you post the story linked to "Think Progess" and not the "LATimes" story? Could it be that the Headline from "Think Progess" was better?

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.....

I JUST saw a flock of pigs flying right outside my window....


I AGREE WITH DANNI..........yuk yuk



Send Grandma Pelosi home. Harry needs to retire.

Posted by danni at 2007-08-16 09:09 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Nah. They'll say: "We MAY begin to draw down troops if progress continues".

Personally, I'll be home during this speech making sure my back door is locked and my valuables are secure.

Kinda funny that the General has to report to the boss....certainly not the way it works in the private sector.

Posted by wisgod at 2007-08-16 08:21 AM | Reply

Yes except in my private sector business I do not write the reports for my employees to give to me.

But I am not really surprised that the whitehouse would author the report they are going to use as justification to stay the course.

I am sure that a team of whitehouse fiction writers is working night and day authoring a glowing assessment of the surge and what a fine job Patraeus is doing.

More medals of freedumb all around... especially for anyone that will actually believe this phony report.

ignore iran....

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-08-16 09:00 AM

Nothing to see there.... move along....

Petraeous is by most accounts a good man. Like any good man, he wasn't prepared for the level of manipulation and cynicism manifested by his boss. When Petraeous retires, he'll need a hot shower that lasts years.

I have to commend Bowa and JeffJ for their words here today. This is just another in the long, long string of deceptions and foulups this adminstration has perpetrated on all of us.


BLT,

Would you even be able to think critically about this president if he herded 3699 soldiers off the deck off an aircraft carrier into shark infested waters at gunpoint?

Sit, I said that it would give critics ammunition in their claim the 'fix" was in -- I didn't say I believe that the fix was or is in.

There is more then enough evidence now which shows the "surge" has been a success so far.

The problem with the "success" of the surge is that it is unsustainable. WE all knew we didn't have enough trooops from the very beginning, it wasn't exactly a new strategy. If we had a larger military then we could sustain the surge, we don't so we can't. But then, Bush only had six years to figure that out, so it must be Clinton's fault.

A cockroach in the concrete, courthouse tan and beady eyes.
A slouch with fallen arches, purging truths into great lies.
A little man with a big eraser, changing history
Procedures that he's programmed to, all he hears and sees.

Altering the facts and figures, events and every issue.
Make a person disappear, and no one will ever miss you.

Rewrites every story, every poem that ever was.
Eliminates incompetence, and those who break the laws.
Follow the instructions of the New Ways' Evil Book of Rules.
Replacing rights with wrongs, the files and records in the schools.

You say you've got the answers, well who asked you anyway?
Ever think maybe it was meant to be this way?
Don't try to fool us, we know the worst is yet to come.
I believe my kingdom will come.

F is for fighting, R is for red,
Ancestors' blood in battles they've shed.
E, we elect them, E, we eject them,
In the land of the free, and the home of the brave.
D, for your dying, O, your overture,
M, they will cover your grave with manure.
This spells out freedom, it means nothing to me,
As long as there's a P.M.R.C.

F is for fighting, R is for red,
Ancestors' blood in battles they've shed.
E, we elect them, E, we eject them,
In the land of the free and the home of the brave.
D, for your dying, O, your overture,
M is for money and you know what that cures.
This spells out freedom, it means nothing to me,
As long as there's a P.M.R.C.

Put your hand right up my shirt,
Pull the strings that make me work,
Jaws will part, words fall out,
like a fish with hook in mouth.

Rewrites every story, every poem that ever was.
Eliminates incompetence, and those who break the laws.
Follow the instructions of the New Ways' Evil Book of Rules.
Replacing rights with wrongs, the files and records in the schools.

I'm not a fish
I'm a man

There are a few direct quotes from named individuals saying things rather tangential to this story. Otherwise it is full of "senior officers" and "senior administration officials" saying this, that and the other. In other words it's mostly BS. The bottom line is that the "Petraeus report" is just another delaying mechanism like the Iraq Study Group and this "news story" is all part of the process. They had to deal with the ISG report by ignoring it but this report will be made to say what the White House wants it to say. Which is that progress is being made and we need to continue for at least another nine months. There'll be another report after nine months that will say the same.

Bush is then out of there with HIS "Mission Accomplished" which for at least the last year and a half has been to leave the new President and Congress to deal with it.

That's right, Bowa. Just because it looks like the fix is in, that's not evidence the fix is in. It's a coincidence.

If Petraeous were allowed to speak wholly on his own, he'd state I can get these same results all over Iraq if I had 250,000 more men and three more years.

THAT'S why he won't be allowed to write this report on his own.

ignore iran....

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-08-16 09:00 AM

Nothing to see there.... move along....

Posted by JimmyWallback at 2007-08-16 09


what the fuawwk ever gave you the idea that we should ignore iran....I would support bombing the shit out of their nuclear facility this afternoon......

Would you even be able to think critically about this president if he herded 3699 soldiers off the deck off an aircraft carrier into shark infested waters at gunpoint?

Posted by Reagan58 at 2007-08-16 09:46 AM | R


If those sharks were a danger to our security and welfare of our way of life?
yeah maybe..

but you forget these heroes volunteered to keep us safe and they knew the dangers and yet they went anyway
a committment that many leftists just cant understand

......the gunpoint crack.....yet another demeaning remark about our men and women in the service of our country.......and on another site I am attacked for putting a ribbon commentmorating their sacrifice.....

the next time one of you raging leftists tried to tell us that you support the troops, my first reaction will be to puke.

meant to say that there would be no gunpoint because these heroes have honor and duty to country.......something the left just doesnt get.

There is more then enough evidence now which shows the "surge" has been a success so far.

Posted by Bowa



surge is not a success
deaths are up june to july to august.

betrayus aint no hero, he was handing out guns and shaking hands with "former Sunni insurgents" er "so-called Freedom Fighters" er "the neighborhood volunteer army" er "auxiliary force" er the enemy.

these are people killing americans.

jeez louise..........


what a state we are in......

I am chastized for putting a troop support ribbon on my car and I leave for the day with some socialist's posts that we are the villians and that in the truest sense of john kerry....that our troops are just too stupid to not be suckers and get out of the military duty they volunteered for..


but I will manage to go and and make it a good day and I hope that the rest of you do too.........

BOWA,

Brother are you sure you meant to write this:

"I do not think that if petraous gives his report to the WH, who then incudes it as only one part in a comprehensive white house report on the surge. it would be well received-- nor should it be."

Wow, I'm shocked and Impressed.

-Sarge

The sad thing here Danni is that because of your hatered of President Bush you have already determined that it is a lie without even seeing it. You are a bitter, blind woman walking down a one way path.

when the boy cries wolf 100 times, it is pretty certain the next wolf cry will be a lie too.

You are a bitter, blind woman walking down a one way path.
Because I think (know) Bush is a liar???

I'd just have to say that if someone lies to you and you continue to believe them anyway then it says something about you, you figure out what.
nuf said.

when the boy cries wolf 100 times, it is pretty certain the next wolf cry will be a lie too.

Posted by truthhurts

Only if it's good news, right Truth?

...I said that it would give critics ammunition in their claim the 'fix" was in -- I didn't say I believe that the fix was or is in.
Posted by Bowa


Do you know the old expresion..."If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck...it must be a duck"?

when has bush ever said that Iraq was anything but going great?

Prediction...

.. Within 96 hours of Petraeus' testimony on Capitol Hill, a group of influential Republicans from both houses of Congress that are up for re-election in '08 will visit GWB and tell him that it's over.

.. GWB will resist

.. Legislation will pass with a veto proof majority denying continued funding of the war.

.. Bush will continue to fund the war by siphoning money from other programs.

.. Republicans will start talking about impeachment

BALZ: What do Democrats do if General Petraeus comes in in September and says, "This is working very, very well at this point; we would be foolish to back away from it"?

CLYBURN: Well, that would be a real big problem for us, no question about that, simply because of those 47 Blue Dogs. I think there would be enough support in that group to want to stay the course, and if the Republicans were to remain united, as they have been, then it would be a problem for us.

Would you even be able to think critically about this president if he herded 3699 soldiers off the deck off an aircraft carrier into shark infested waters at gunpoint?

Posted by Reagan58 at 2007-08-16 09:46 AM | R


If those sharks were a danger to our security and welfare of our way of life?
yeah maybe..

Truth up BLT: You'd support Bush if he sent them into guppy infested waters strapped to anvils. Your paranoia about the libruls has placed you in a position where you support everything Bush does simply because you'd have to agree with a librul to do otherwise.
As for president Amanapajamas being hilter, I can think of a President who's geographically closer who's running the Iraq war just like Hitler ran the defense of Berlin. In a bunker, ignoring reality and relying on syncophantic "Lovers" who'll only tell him what he wants to hear.

FEDUPWITHPOLS it ain't gonna happen. Patreus will give a fairly positive evaluation based on the success they have had with the surge, then the surge will end, we will go back to the prolonged, drawn out occupation until Bush leaves office, then an incoming president, probably a Dem, will have to pull out the troops and take the blame for Bush's disaster.
And many of the righties here will be the loudest blamers even though they know that Bush caused the disaster.
This war is being run by people more concerned with Bush than America or Iraq.

these heroes have honor and duty to country.......something the left just doesnt get.

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-08-16 10:18 AM | Reply

Like Cheney and his eight deferments.

Like Rush and his pimple on his ass.

Like Bush defending us from the hoard of Mexican bombers that penetrated our airspace on a daily basis.

Like Mitt's sons serving in his election campaign.

Honor and duty.

Since we are dealing with republicans the head line should have read: "White House "Wrote" the Petraeus Report". It was written week BEFORE the surge started.

The US of NRA has been attacking other nations for years in order "to save them for Democracy."

Worst case scenario:

Cheney and Bush present an obviously bogus Iraq report in which, surprise...it states that things are getting better and better everyday. Furthermore they tell us that we have to stay in Iraq in order to "win".

People hit the streets in mass and Cheney and Bush find it necessary to call in the military.

Things get so bad they Cheney and Bush decide that the have to disband Congress and the Constitution in order to save America for Democracy...

Danny,

When you are going to accuse someone of being a lair you have to have proof. Please show the proof. You are not going to be able to do that because if there was any strong evidence the Democrats would have used it against him. All you have is your feelings and opinions of other libs who hate bush and have since he beat Gore.

What is the big deal with Mit Romneys sons helping him to get elected? DO you fell that they should be in the military instead?

BL2 when you looked out your window and saw pigs fly did the window have bars on it? Is your room padded? The stuff you're spewing today is nuts.

DO you fell that they should be in the military instead?

Posted by sickoflibs at 2007-08-16 01:33 PM | Reply |

DO you feel that they are exempt?

You know, right wing honor and duty and all.

What???!! Ever feel like you have a monkey on your back? Imagine how Petraeus must feel. After all is said and done, Petreus will write a book about carrying King Kong on his back.

I think you guys should organize a frickin' surge on the white house, take your asshole president out. Write a report if you feel like it, or better yet, just post the video of bush facing the noose and crying like a little girl on youtube.

This "news" report is a joke. I went to the Think Progress website and there was NO citation of date or link to the L.A. Times story. I went to the LATimes.com and there was no mention of such a story.

Of course, Think Progess has their story under "Radical Right Wing Agenda." Oh so trustworthy and unbiased!!!

Goodness you libs are stupid. I mean really stupid. The reality is that even Democrats see the surge is working and now the radical left is trying to discredit a report they have not even seen. The reality is that the report (included libs) and this is basically the nail in the Democrat coffin. There is no way they will win the presidency in '08 with a positive Patreaus report given their political investment in defeat in Iraq. Heck Obama is still bashing the troops. Notice how silent Pelosi and Reid have been lately on the war. LMFAO!!!

the surge is not working

deaths in iraq are up may to june to july and into august.

White House Will Write Petraeus Report


Not a surprise. The 'surge' is obviously not working and any of the recent 'successes' in Iraq have come as a result of taking sides in the Iraqi civil war, arming the same guys that last year were blowing up humvees and sniping marines in their guard posts.
What is obvious with this revelation is that the White House is not really concerned with what ultimately happens to Iraq. They view victory in Iraq purely in political terms: if it helps the presidents poll numbers and it helps them maintain/increase power in Washington then the Iraq adventure has been a profitable success. So even by that cynical Rovian standard Iraq has been a failure (although still profitable for some).
What this shows is that 'the surge' was more a political than military manouvre with the release of this doctored report as the climax, most likely to give this administration the appearance of success prior to a withdrawal in time for the '08 election.
What has been consistant over the last decade is the wingnut tactic of accusing their critics of their own faults and so it is not surprising that they accuse the democratic party of politicising this war, even though that is what they have done from day one.

But buh buh...can't david write the progress report for his own plan?

The surge is working and even lib anti-war types in the NY Times and Germany's Der Spiegel have attested to this.

There used to be a time when Democrats were patriots. They are now just a bunch of anti-American libs who actually root for America's defeat whether it be in battlefields of Iraq or the global financial markets. I used to be life-long Democrat that recently changed parties because I became disgusted that the Dems now place the interests of their party over the interests over the safety and security of the United States. They gloat every time something bad happens to America and then try to use it as a political sword against George Bush. It's unpatriotic, immature and just plain stupid.

I used to be life-long Democrat that recently changed parties because I became disgusted that the Dems now place the interests of their party over the interests over the safety and security of the United States.

The retort has a celebrity in its midst. Everyone say Hi to Joe Lieberman!

The surge is working and even lib anti-war types in the NY Times and Germany's Der Spiegel have attested to this.

There used to be a time when Democrats were patriots. They are now just a bunch of anti-American libs who actually root for America's defeat whether it be in battlefields of Iraq or the global financial markets. I used to be life-long Democrat that recently changed parties because I became disgusted that the Dems now place the interests of their party over the interests over the safety and security of the United States. They gloat every time something bad happens to America and then try to use it as a political sword against George Bush. It's unpatriotic, immature and just plain stupid.

Posted by utastaff at 2007-08-16 05:18 PM


so pointing out your lies and the failures of bush's iraqi policies is un anti american?

You have an odd sense of patriotism.

You cannot claim ignorance of the facts, I have personally responded several times today pointing out the INCREASE in deaths in Iraq.

It is anti american to start unjustified wars based on lies.

There is more then enough evidence now which shows the "surge" has been a success so far.

Posted by Bowa

Define success.

The surge is working and even lib anti-war types in the NY Times and Germany's Der Spiegel have attested to this.

NY times writers have been discredited ... not liberals. MICHAEL E. O'HANLON and KENNETH M. POLLACK supported the war. Obviously a planted story due to the fact Cheney mentioned it on Larry King the day it came out...Well planned propoganda.

And you think that two stories attesting to the surge working means anything anyway? How many stories are we getting of it's failure?

Hundreds?

Wake up UTA... your Emperor has no clothes.

Obviously a planted story due to the fact Cheney mentioned it on Larry King the day it came out...Well planned propoganda.


a repeat of the cheney NYT connectionin the lead up to the war.

are american so stupid?

are american(s) so stupid?

Posted by truthhurts at 2007-08-16 06:15

Karl Rove knew the sad answer to this and successfully used that information to divide America in one of its darkest hours.

Bush is NOT the decider he is the Great Divider.

Dumb Dems think Karl Rove ran the country. Now that he is gone, the Dems STILL aren't getting anything done in the Congress. Nice work lying to dumb lib Dems promising to end the war then funding it with no time tables. The Dem politicos knew all along they would not end the war and wouldn't do it even if they took the White House back. Nice work Dems on legalizing 12-20 million illegal aliens. Oops. Failure. Nice work Dems on nationalizing healthcare. Oops. Another failure.

At least the Dems are great at investigating instead of legislating. By voting to fund the war, the Dems proved themselves to be LIARS and they will get slaughtered in '08. If Dems got into power because of their promise to end the war and failed because members of their own party broke ranks and sided with Republicans, there is no reason to have them around because they failed at that and everything else.

"If the Congressional Election were held today,

Well, then I guess it is a good thing that the election wasn't held today.

:-)

Yeah, for the Democrats.

Now that he is gone, the Dems STILL aren't getting anything done in the Congress.

The GOP loss in 2008 has certainly turned out to be a blessing in disguise for the Republicans.

I know I certianly couldn't have predicted what a spectacular failure the dems would be -- and so quickly too.

And still, the Democrats are much more popular than the Repubs. And there is no sign of a repub comeback.

The GOP loss in 2008 has certainly turned out to be a blessing in disguise for the Republicans.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-08-16 07:05 PM


Freudian slip.

Or prophecy?

Should have caught that--good one.

BOWA,
"There is more then enough evidence now which shows the "surge" has been a success so far."

I have to agree with you there. The Surge of spin doctors have the American people actually believing that we are succeeding in IRAQ. They gave even convinced you,

Of course, if you were to ask the 275 dead and 400 wounded civillians from Tuesday, you might get another opionion about the "success" of the Surge. But they are Kurds, so who cares about them?

You could ask the families of the hundreds of American troops who have died since the Surge began and one or two of them may also disagree as well.

But you are right, the Surge is a BOOMing success. How about you and I meeting for drinks at an outdoor cafe next month in Sadir City. It ought to be as safe to sit at an outdoor cafe there as it is at Navy Pier here in Chicago by then?
If I am late, start without me... but be sure that I will be there, about that same time as GWB grows a brain of his own....

The GOP loss in 2008 has certainly turned out to be a blessing in disguise for the Republicans.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-08-16 07:05 PM

Freudian slip.

Posted by DARTHCHENEYZ

Freudian slip and Bowa gets it right. A true novelity.

"The GOP loss in 2008 has certainly turned out to be a blessing in disguise for the Republicans."

Posted by Bowa at 2007-08-16 07:05 PM

So It Is Said So It Shall Be Done !!

AMEN !!

-Sarge

Sorry.

I don't trust anything the White House writes. There are way too many examples of where they redacted or otherwise edited reports in a way to make them appear to say something completely different than their original intent.

No Mitt Romneys sons are not excempt from serving in the military. However the last time I checked it was still an all volunteer service. So are you saying they should be forced to serve because they are a Republicans sons?

truth hurts I have to say it again. You claim the war was based on lies. Please, I beg you, show me the proof. You libs can keep screaming the same crap all day long but in the end it is you who are telling the lies and I can prove that, simply by the fact that you have no proof of your accusations.

please see the fact that it was public knowledge that sh had no nuke program. The intelligence presented were KNOWN forgeries. Embarrassingly amateur forgeries.

that is the proof.

that knowledge was public, it was in a CNN article a week prior to the invasion.

and that is ONE point.

Does anybody know --

will Petraeous be under oath when he testifies before Congress? I don't trust anything he will say unless it's under oath.

It doesn't matter if it's under oath or not because lying to congress is a crime either way... .something I think congress (good morning, Speaker Pelosi!) needs to be reminded of.

not that it makes a hell of alot of difference to them.

If we were ever going to invade, wouldn't it have been a better idea with a 600,000 strong international coalition and the world community behind the effort to share in both the military and financial expense?

Just sayin'...

Bowa

Al Gore wasn't in the executive branch in 2002 when we did invade. Moot point.

For Cheney to do such an about face, when in 1991 he didn't feel 600,000 troops were sufficient to prevent Iraq from becoming a 'quagmire', what made him change his mind?

PS Bowa

I had an open mind about Iraq until I started to understand how underplanned the aftermath of the invasion was.

Only through an incredibe series of bad decisions we're in just that quagmire. Perfect word for it. Damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Sad.

I hope it turns out well in the end, but I'm not too optimistic. Haven't had too many reasons to be the last 4 years.

Like Mitt's sons serving in his election campaign.

Honor and duty.

Posted by JimmyWallback at 2007-08-16 12:12 PM


check other post and the come back here and list mccains son as well as duncan hunter and there are more republican legislastors who have sons in iraq.........I would venture it was representive of per centage of the regular populaton too...........

and who ever said that I would follow bush anyway hasnt bothered to read any of my posts about immigration or runaway spending....or kowtowing to the clintons.....

but as to this thread specifically....


I am sure that any changes in policy will be made by the Generals on the ground in Iraq... because this president "always" listens to the people who are doing the fighting.....


and agree with the president...of course....because ..... well ...... he is the "decider"

ladies and gentlemen and assholes of the left.

there...that should cover just about all of you.

all of this rambling and crying over this is moot and null and void......this report is required by law if I understand it correctly.....or at least congressional proceedure and it is very clear.

this report is to be given BY THE PRESIDENT upon conferring with the general in charge and the ambassador and the sectr of defense.....and the language is clear enough for even you to get.......giggle giggle.......

and as we have said from the beginning......you arent interestd in any report other than doom and gloom and you have to attack it anyway you can even before it starts.....

so go ahead and have fun with it...because when it comes to your nonsense....it 'dont mean shit'

Jeff summed it up best. The bush admin is STUPID to even give the illusion of a conflict of interest here, given their enormous fuckups and over estimations of iraq over the past 4 years.

They should not be writing anything in this report. "david" can write his own report card since Bush said it's "davids plan" and bush can read it...

Juts like always. Someone else does the work, and Bush reads it(badly)

The white house should not be involved in gussying this thing up at all.

OK, so if this was a forgery, who made it. It was obviously enough to convince every legit intgel agency in the world. Not to mention all the libs who voted to go to war. Lets not forget that Bush could not have proceeded without the congress approval.

alex...the order or the law or whatever you want to call it.....specifically says.

THE PRESIDENT......after conferring with ......will report to congress........


they are following proper proceedure as outlined in that order........at least that is what I read this afternoon...........


so you can cry all you want......and just like bowa, I would prefer it come straight from the general...but the FACT IS.........nothing matters from your side anyway.....not the truth, not the facts, and not the report because it is not in the lefts best interest for it to be a good one and this is just the lefts way of deflecting it even before it is out........


its an old and boring story........

"its an old and boring story"

Oddly, that's what women have said about being with you....you're old and boring!

Lisa,

What do the women that have been with you say?

well well

look what the cat dragged out of the kitchen.............

old maybe....boring....never...... .

well at least for the first 5 mins or so.......

you are really in luck this evening.

because you got on here just as I HAVE to go,...

nice timing....

"What do the women that have been with you say?"

Sweetie....they don't say I'm boring!!

HaHAHA!!!

Hi baby!!!!

Time for your Geritol and warm milk??