We still have 16,000 of 'em left?

The Iraqis hid their weapons hours before the troops arrived. How did they know? Because the ones we've been training told them.

The Surge is working. Even leftist newspapers like the NY Times and Germany's Der Speigel say the surge is working. Notice how anti-war loudmouths Pelosi and Reid have been eerily quiet of late? Way to go American.


God Bless America. We are truly the greatest nation on Earth.

"Operation Lightning Hammer"

Who dreams up these names?

God Bless America. We are truly the greatest nation on Earth.

Posted by utastaff

Why don't you take your kids to a nice vacation in Basra or something...BaHAAABBAAAA!!!!

Over 175 dead in 4 bombing today.....

All we are saaayyyingg, is give war a chance.....

We still have 16,000 of 'em left?

Posted by evashogouki at 2007-08-14 04:31 PM |

No, but Los Angeles now has 16,000 less gangmembers on the streets.

Sorry that was 100 dead and 150 wounded in 3 bombings. Wow four years later and same ole shit. Neo-Bushling fool.....

Utastaff-brings the number of our best to 41 this month. We're not even half way done... What was it for Utastaff? So mouth breathers like you can put a flag on your car....Sick...


08/14/07 MNF: Helicopter crashes in Al Anbar Province - 5 killed
Five Coalition Force service members died when a helicopter crashed in the vicinity of Al Taqaddum Air Base, Iraq today. The CH-47 Chinook helicopter went down while conducting a routine post-maintenance check flight.

The Surge is working.

Yeah, and Bush and Rummy fired every general who told him he needed more troops, until Bush could no longer avoid reality, and daddy got Rummy replaced.
So really, what does that say about your dear leader's military leadership?

Tell me Utastaff, why did we have to wait 4 years to get a fraction of the troop increase needed to secure Iraq?

And yes, a fraction. We're still short troops, this move is just another round of Whack-a-Mole.

Good lord, can't you libs say anything GOOD about America? I read these boards and I can honestly say I have yet to read a liberal write anything positive about this great country.

It is okay to be critical but throw in some compliments some time. Do you raise your kids this way? Do you treat your spouse this way? I mean merely pointing out ONLY the negatives to them.

I can't believe I am being bashed for supporting this country in my own country. You libs have some serious issues. Seriously, you need to think every day about what you are greatful for and stop being so miserable and angry. You could be in the Sudan fighting for your life right now but instead you are in America safe and bashing this great country.

The surge is working. We've turned the corner. Things are going swimmingly. The insurgents are in their last throes. Any more bullshit you Bushtards want to spew?

you need to ... stop being so miserable and angry.

What, and remove their only reason for living?

most Americans would die within days of not being able to drive their little pussy cars to the grocery for food. We need some hardship in this country so you fools can see how good ya have it and shut your holes

Don't get me wrong. Things are far from perfect in Iraq but they have come a long way. Things are getting better which is why Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid have been silent. The liberal NY Times and anti-American German newspaper Der Spiegel (which was against the war from day 1) both recently reported that the surge is working.

The Dems told you libs they would end the war and they funded it instead. Dems aren't talking about pulling the troops anymore. The reality is that the Dems are politicians first and foremost and EVERYONE sees that the Petraeus Report is going to come back positive judging by even lib reports so the Dems are backpedaling like crazy. The U.S. will win this war without question. Believe in yourselves as Americans and believe in your country.

Utastaff,

Bashing Bush is NOT bashing America. Show me one post, one post, where America herself is bashed.
I give thanks every morning that I live in America, in a good neighborhood. And I work to keep it that way. Focusing on the negatives? That's how things get fixed. That's how you get results.
When I get out my toolbox on Saturday morning, I don't go around the house praising it's good qualities. I go looking for the negatives, the things that have to be fixed.
Or should I praise the nice paint job while the faucet leaks?

You want to be a fluffy headed cheerleader, fine, knock yourself out.
But Bush has enough people kissing his ass. I take the tough love apraoch. Bush will get praise when he does something worthy of my praise.

As for the surge, my praise, and I have already given it, goes to Gates and Bush the Elder, not our dunce of a President.

Seems some missed the fact that the British are removing their remaining 5000 troops, who have been holed up in their quarters, from Basra - arguably the most important province in iraq as being the only port out of Iraq for oil, it's chief revenue source.

Basra has now decended into chaos, with Shiite on Shiite militias battling it out for control.

1947 India provides a lesson in history:

When the British left India sectarian fighting began in earnest. Muslim on Hindu and interfactional fighting killed more than two million people.

Finally, partition was created via Pakistan, and except for skirmishes over the years over the disputed territory of Kashmir, India and Pakistan went their separate ways, and India 60 years later is emerging as a modern nation.

My humble opinion (I'm no expert on this..just a student of history) is that the Iraqi factions will need to tire of fighting each other and partition the country. After all, iraq was created by the British - who by creating artificial borders - put people together who didn't like each other, and who were then only held together by a dictator - the only form of government able to do so. Afghanistan is another country where tribes who loathed each other were put under one umbrella.

Perhaps it's time for the natural borders to ease into place. In my view, our involvement there is only fanning the flames and creating yet another 'enemy' in Arab eyes to fight. Once we're gone, they'll turn their full attention to each other and eventually comclude that a war of attrition has never been successful. Only then will they lay down their arms for the good of their families and loved ones.

"Show me one post, one post, where America herself is bashed."

Norm,

Are you friggin' kidding me?!!! I have read post after post on this message board where liberals referring to America posted "We are bad" and "We are Nazis." I honestly have been shocked by how anti-American the lib posters are on this board.

Look at a copy of post on this thread to me below
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God Bless America. We are truly the greatest nation on Earth.

Posted by utastaff

Why don't you take your kids to a nice vacation in Basra or something...BaHAAABBAAAA!!!!

Posted by Chill at 2007-08-14 04:51 PM

It's easy to flag wave and accept everything that Bush asks the military to do as the only option but it isn't. Bush has had four and a half years to make his Iraq War a success. Instead it is a dismal failure and has long since passed the point where it became throwing good money after bad at it and good American, Coalition and Iraqi lives at it. That point being the assassination of the UN envoy, Fallujah 1 or 2, Abu Ghraib, Samarra, civil war. Take your pick. The Iraqis, the Coalition and most Americans have figured this out. Not Bush and not his dwindling band of diehard supporters.

There are no good solutions left, that is Bush's fault because it his war, nobody else's. And don't give me that crap about Congress voting for it. He and Cheney pushed it relentlessly leaving Congress little option in the post-9/11 climate.

The majority of Americans now want whichever bad solution remains that costs the fewest lives and the least money. It's called dissent from what we consider Bush's insane policies and its use is enshrined in the First Amendment. As is yours to call us traitors -- so go ahead.

Only a complete gullible fool believes that "progress" is being made in Iraq. The bloodshed is incessant, the body toll is rising in leaps and bounds, and there is no effective government whatsoever outside of a small "green zone" in Baghdad. Yet still, tools like Utastaff will continue trying to spin an optimistic outlook on the situation. In my opinion, such willful tools of GOP policy are the real traitors to America.

Utastaff how is that bashing America. You stated that things in Iraq were going great. When did I bash America or Repubs? You are a hater of Libs. Do I hate Conservatives? NO. "God Bless America" Yea the difference between us is you wrap your self in the flag. I fellow the "it's just a piece of paper"...

Nice I was right the first time....

Posted at 9:00am on 15 Aug 2007

At least 175 people were killed when three suicide bombers driving fuel tankers attacked a town in northern Iraq on Tuesday.

Iraqi army Captain Mohammad al-Jaad said at least another 200 people were wounded in the bombings in separate Yazidi neighbourhoods in the town of Kahtaniya, west of Mosul.

Three bombers driving separate tankers detonated their vehicles in quick succession.

Utastaff how is that bashing America. You stated that things in Iraq were going great. When did I bash America or Repubs? You are a hater of Libs. Do I hate Conservatives? NO. "God Bless America" Yea the difference between us is you wrap your self in the flag. I fellow the "it's just a piece of paper"...

Nice I was right the first time....

Posted at 9:00am on 15 Aug 2007

At least 175 people were killed when three suicide bombers driving fuel tankers attacked a town in northern Iraq on Tuesday.

Iraqi army Captain Mohammad al-Jaad said at least another 200 people were wounded in the bombings in separate Yazidi neighbourhoods in the town of Kahtaniya, west of Mosul.

Three bombers driving separate tankers detonated their vehicles in quick succession.

Damn so ass work computer fricking network...(double post America bashing.....)

NEW YORK TIMES
By MICHAEL E. O'HANLON and KENNETH M. POLLACK
Published: July 30, 2007

The Bush administration has over four years lost essentially all credibility. Yet now the administration's critics, in part as a result, seem unaware of the significant changes taking place.
Here is the most important thing Americans need to understand: We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms. As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration's miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily "victory" but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with. "

Utastaff,

You are comparing apples and oranges. You confuse America the nation, America the people, with our leadership. Do some posters go overboard at time? Of course. But the right to attack our political leaders when we believe them to be wrong is the God given right of every American, and don't you ever call political dissent anti-Americanism.

Again, do you want a cheerleader, or a coach? Tough love is rarely pretty. Go ask a football player if they think their coach loves them. I assure you he does, but he'll never show it.
My father loves me, and the greatest gift he ever gave me was the spankings when I desperately deserved them.

If I feel one of our political leaders is behaving no better than a Nazi, I reserve full right to say so. That's America. That is how our democracy has functioned over 230 years. To keep silent in the face of atrocity is to spit upon the grave of every dead American soldier.

I'm not sure you understand the true responsibility of being an American.

Utastaff, I ask you again, what have we gained with 3700 Americans deaths 20,000 wounded and soon to be a trillion spent....Just think of those hot tax cuts we could have had or new schools. The War does not make sense....Can you name the times in histroy when an occupation force won? I believe it's happened twice in modern history....

Clearly there isn't anything anyone can say that will penetrate Uta's rose colored GOP sponsored bubble. So why waste the time trying"

Moder8 I have an hour of work left and am bored shitless....

Chill: LOL. Just don't get frustrated trying to reason with someone who refuses to understand anything which contradicts Rush.

Utastaff you have a Germen hard-on.....One month is not a measure of victory. Going from 100 U.S. deaths to 80 isn't a big step. Two "Lib" papers saying it's starting to work does not yet impress me...

Thanks Mod. Peace out....

UTA gotta cruise. Good luck and Peace out...

Maybe progress on the ground, but you need political progess in Iraq. Not Washington. In Iraq there's a small war going on....

MICHAEL E. O'HANLON and KENNETH M. POLLACK

You need to get a little more up to speed. They were spoon fed by the US Army, but one of those on the arranged and closely controlled trip---Tony Cordesman---came to quite different conclusions. C'mon, boy, wakey, wakey.

you fools will be stuck on the expressway when bombs start falling...............

God Bless America. We are truly the greatest nation on Earth.
Posted by utastaff

What a fucking moron.

liberals referring to America posted "We are bad" and "We are Nazis."

I call BULLSHIT!!!!!

Find one post tht says what you just wrote. Or was it just another Republican lie?

NEW YORK TIMES
By MICHAEL E. O'HANLON and KENNETH M. POLLACK
Published: July 30, 2007

The Bush administration has over four years lost essentially all credibility. Yet now the administration's critics, in part as a result, seem unaware of the significant changes taking place.
Here is the most important thing Americans need to understand: We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms. As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration's miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily "victory" but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with. "

Posted by utastaff at 2007-08-14 05:52 PM | Reply


HEY DUMBASS!! The reporters who wrote this came out yesterday and admitted it was a PR stuny by DOD.

Tool

Good lord, can't you libs say anything GOOD about America? I read these boards and I can honestly say I have yet to read a liberal write anything positive about this great country.


While Republicans and so-called Conservatives may be disconnected from reality to the point they really beleive the garbage that Bush et al come up with, Democrats feel they really know what americans want. Their evidence? The elections in November?

They too are disconnected from reality. In reality, most American's are either fully conservative or they tend to lean to little right on most issues. They also tend to lean a little bit left on other issues. They're called moderates. The reason you see the left with such a loud voice is because, right now, the popular thing to do is be against the war.

The majority of democrats who are "against the war" are only so because they want to be re-elected. The majority of liberals who post on this forum haven't had an original idea in decades. They, like their Republican counter-parts, swallow down and vomit up whatever their repsective parties spoon feed to them. They rarely take the time to digest.

So when you see a liberal who can't think of anything positive to say about America, remember there is a Republican who can't think of anything wrong with America.


What a fucking moron.


At the risk of sounding cliche or tossing out a talking point, could you please explain to me who is the greatest nation on earth and why people aren't migrating en masse (illegally or legally) there instead?

Briwo,

Apparently everything good coming out of Iraq is a DOD PR stunt whether the reports come from U.S., German, English or Austalian newspapers as I have cited here. Amazing!

But of course, if the information is bad, it's perfectly valid information right? Simply because it's bad.

Why do you liberals want America to lose in Iraq so badly? Why do you only accept negative news about America but ignore positive news? I do not understand how can an American think this way.

At the risk of sounding cliche or tossing out a talking point, could you please explain to me who is the greatest nation on earth

I don't happen to believe there is a "greatest nation on earth." It's a meaningless, jingositic cliche. One often associated with totalitarian states. We have a lot to proud of in this country, and one hell of a long way to go to make good on the promises we utter as mindlessly as other meaningless catchphrases.

Why do you liberals want America to lose in Iraq so badly? Why do you only accept negative news about America but ignore positive news? I do not understand how can an American think this way.

Exhibit A in the Meaningless Catchphrases Dept.

But I do understand why this approach is appealing to those who respond to authoritarianism: It's so much easier than actually having to think.

"Apparently everything good coming out of Iraq is a DOD PR stunt whether the reports come from U.S., German, English or Austalian newspapers as I have cited here."

Here's some late-breaking news: All kinds of weird and innaccurate shit appears in U.S., German, English and Australian newspapers (especially editorial pages and op-ed columns) all the time.

I hope the fall from the turnip truck didn't actually inflict any damage on you.

Another thread where the neoconservatives gloss over the continuing paucity of US forces in Iraq.

Sixteen thousand men is just one division. The only thing good about it is it's bigger than the trult comical 4,000 men Bush was using in "offensives" prior to his November, 2006, epiphany.

So, when is Bush going after the Mahdi Army? Now, that would be impressive. But since al-Sadr has at least 60,000 troops, we'd need at least twelve divisons to go after him.

How do I raise my kids? I teach them to avoid land wars in Asia.

"Why do you liberals want America to lose so badly....?"

Why does George Bush want American to lose? This is a sincere question based on observations of his ongoing behavior.

I've followed the Bush and neoconservative analyses of their war since 2002. Even to this date, it's hard to get any sign of recognition from them they might have done something wrong.

Every military move Bush did at any point over the last five years is still justified by them as being exactly the right, and perhaps the only, thing he could have done at that moment.

That's a great appraoch to propaganda, but also a great way never to have the initiative in war, except by freaking accident. And, to no sane man's surprise, Bush has had his butt kicked virtually every step of the way.

Apparently everything good coming out of Iraq is a DOD PR stunt whether the reports come from U.S., German, English or Austalian newspapers as I have cited here. Amazing!


Probably not true, but on the other hand you can't ignore the fact that the Pentagon is admitedly engaged in "positive PR campaigns". You can be pretty sure the "negative" information isn't DOD sponsored, but the good information knowing the Pentagon is funding such things is a bit tainted. Even this recent thing with Hanlock and that other guy its not like as private citizens they jumped on a plane to investigate the situation in Iraq. It was DOD sponsored, and they only got to see what the DOD wanted them to see.


But of course, if the information is bad, it's perfectly valid information right? Simply because it's bad.


No, like any story, good or bad one should check who is writing that story and why. For example if you have reports who are taken on a tour of Iraq by moveon.org and come back saying lots of bad things, show me they were funded by moveon.org and then maybe you have some leg to stand on when questioning how good or bad that info is. You want to blanket this thing, but it can't be. Every story is different. And plenty of the bad stories are not just opinion, but a matter of fact. Like Chris's some gave all threads...If you want to tell me dead soldiers is just liberal negative PR, man we aren't even in the same universe.


Why do you liberals want America to lose in Iraq so badly? Why do you only accept negative news about America but ignore positive news? I do not understand how can an American think this way.


What you really need to get under control here, is your objective thinking skills, your bias is like a cock slapping you in the face. Only an idiot would believe liberals want us to fail in Iraq. What liberals really want is for the president to keep looking like the biggest buffoon of a president we ever had, and for the GOP to go down in flames with him. You better believe if the liberals could win this thing, and put they're name on it, they just might find themselves in the same posistion as republicans. And we'd be telling you how you want america to fail.

As for the positive news... show me the money!... I've asked a few times now on discussiosn like this for proof of "good news" reporting, and no one yet has reciprocated. If your a drug addict only listening to the good things people say about you, are probably not going to get you off the shit... the same theory goes for reporting. As great as it would be to hear about Ali baba and his flock of sheep and how great they're lives are now that America has taken over Iraq, it does little to advance debate, or generate new ideas on how to deal with the millions of others who'd want to kill and rape his sheep.

And so far in this war... what good news I have heard.. most memorable to me was the training of the Iraqi's to take up policing duties... well that has become a nightmare as well. An elected government... they are fragmenting and falling apart... even as the news reports our succcess with the surge.

And speaking of the surge isn't odd a month ago when reports were coming out about how this surge was a failure... the talking point was 'wait till september'... the worm turned now the reporting is good, but you don't hear shit about waiting for september now...Wag the dog man, wag the dog.

surge is not working

more iraqis died in July then in June

keep dreaming numbnuts

June American Dead 101
ISF 197
Iraqi Civilians 1148
TOTAL 1446

July American Dead 79
ISF 232
Iraqi Civilians 1458
TOTAL 1769


Truth Hurts Donut

Projected totals for August

Americans 91
Coalition 9
ISF 84
Civilian 1684

TOTAL 1868

Truth hurts DONUT!!!!!!!!

I think a long breath and a little sober consideration are in order (asking a lot).

The purpose of the escalation nee: surge, was to reduce violence against Iraqis to give them time to stabilize politically. The purpose of the escalation was NOT to see a drop in American casualties--however desireable--at the cost of an increase in Iraqi casualties.

If you want to assess the Iraq War intelligently (again, asking a lot) success will be measured by the reduction in violence against Iraqis, and the formation of a politically solid government.

Thus far the violence against Iraqis is steadily increasing, and the political foundation of Al-Maliki's government is eroding exponentially. The escalation certainly hasn't provided the government "breathing room" and that was its highly touted purpose.

Of course milestones, benchmarks, and the war rationale just never seems to remain stable, so maybe if American casualties drop to zero and the country implodes politically, that will be the "success" we've found so elusive? I think not.

The surge is working. We've turned the corner. Things are going swimmingly. The insurgents are in their last throes-BRAWK! The surge is working. We've turned the corner. Things are going swimmingly. The insurgents are in their last throes-Brawk! The surge is working. We've turned the corner. Things are going swimmingly. The insurgents are in their last throes-BRAWK!

Here's a dime-parrot-go to wal-fart and buy a freakin' clue......

You may want to go to another thread-I hear Dick Shady is coming to this one-and you parrots know how he treats cage-raised birds! BANG!!!!!

OOPSY-too late!..........

Why are you guys posting death counts month by month to say whether the surge is working or not? The fact is that terrorist attacks are DOWN in Iraq and the Iraqi people are turning against Al Qaeda instead of harboring them because they feel more secure BECAUSE of the surge.

Imagine comparing these numbers to WWII. 2,500 Americans died on one battle on one day D-Day. I am sure the libs would said we were losers because of that.

Iraq has come a long way. They have formed a new government, ratified a constitution and are seeking to push out Al Qaeda and resolve internal issues. You can't compare a government that is only a couple years old to a nation that has been around since 1776. This is real life not a video game.

It's amazing that 12-20 million illegal immigrants risked life and limb to come to the United States to life a better life. More immigrants seek to come to the United States than any other country on the planet regardless of the Iraq War.

The ungrateful libs on this board take life here for granted. Go figure.

Would it really kill you liberal Democrats to admit that America is a great country? If you don't think so, why don't you go live in a country that you honestly believe is great and leave the vast majority of Americans alone.

Hey UTASTAFF,

Do you know how many Al Qaeda are in Iraq, like a number of?

-Sarge

I still do not see how the Surge is Working ?

The Highest US Troop Death Toll In July In The Last 4 Years.

300 More Iraqis Killed Last Month Than The Month Prior like over 1400 in July

175 Iraqis Killed In One Day ie Today

The Government On Fucking Vacation

The Sunnis Walking Out Of Parliament

Sadar Has More Power

Highest No. Of UK Troop Deaths In July In A Year

Mali ki Wanting General Petrous To Leave

Oh These Things Are All Great Not To Include 190,000 Weapons Missing, And Baby Found In A Dumpster, The Soccer Team Captain Marked For Death And Refuses To Return to Iraq.

Wow, I Guess Everything Is Coming Up Fucking Roses !!!

-Sarge

I Posted This On The Other Thread, But These Are All Facts, Not To Included That There Is Less Water And Electric Power Than When Saddam Was In Power. Historically All Attacks Go Down In July and Taking That In To Account July Was The Highest US Death Toll In 4 Years Of Each Past July.

The Truth Is That A Deal Was Cut With Local Sunni Leaders To Turn On Al Qaeda In Return For US Support Of Their Militias, Which In-Turn Pissed Off Mali ki On Wanting The Commanding General To Leave Iraq.

So How Is The Surge Working ?

-Sarge

So How Is The Surge Working ?

-Sarge

How's the Halliburton stock doing?

Would it really kill you liberal Democrats to admit that America is a great country? If you don't think so, why don't you go live in a country that you honestly believe is great and leave the vast majority of Americans alone.

America Is The Greatest Country In The World !!!

It Is Just Suffering From Poor Leadership !!!

So How Do You Equate Not Supporting A Flawed Wasteful War Not Loving And Supporting America ?

Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country."

- President Theodore Roosevelt, 1908

Teddy Said It All Period !!

Case Closed !!

-Sarge

Good quote Sarge. Case closed indeed.

"This is real life, not a video game...."

E-Mail that to George. It may be shocking news to him.

Why are you guys posting death counts month by month to say whether the surge is working or not? The fact is that terrorist attacks are DOWN in Iraq and the Iraqi people are turning against Al Qaeda instead of harboring them because they feel more secure BECAUSE of the surge.


TH: the fact is that terrorists attacks are not down, you state that as if it were true but it is not. A few people are SUPPOSEDLY turning against Al Queda to a. get guns and b. position themselves politically. THese are not necessarily postive things.

Imagine comparing these numbers to WWII. 2,500 Americans died on one battle on one day D-Day. I am sure the libs would said we were losers because of that.

TH: and we had 12million people under arms, what is your point?

Iraq has come a long way.

TH: Yes mostly bad

They have formed a new government,

TH: and things have gotten worse.

ratified a constitution

TH: and things have gotten worse

and are seeking to push out Al Qaeda

TH: that is the recent spin, not necessarily supported by facts.

and resolve internal issues.

TH:nope, not true, vacation, sunnis quitting govt, etc. wasnt the oil agreement done last fall? aint passed YET.

You can't compare a government that is only a couple years old to a nation that has been around since 1776.

TH:correct, there are many many differences including the fact that america was founded by a fairly coesive group of people, aint the same in IRaq. the founding of our nation planted seeds for our civil war. Iraq is getting right to it. Is that the basis of a nation like the US?



This is real life not a video game.


TH: BUsh is the one playing the video games SHOCK AND AWE/MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

"Iraq has come a long way" since the birth of civilization in that region. Too bad about the museum.

And the ammo dumps.

But the Oil Ministry was secured!

Sarge where is the Petraeus story, I have not heard that one?

Museums are like babies. Neither are able to defend themselves.

Bush may be remembered more three hundred years from now for abetting it's destruction than anything else.

"three hundred years"

If we survive as a species and culture I suspect that's off by orders of magnitude.

nice

Oh, the "surge" is working. I was in agreement, 'til I figured out it wasn't that "sarge" is working. Yes, yes he is, very hard here on the DR!

People really need to get past this "greatest country" bullshit. Do you realize how simply retarded that sounds to the rest of the world. Sure, this country has done great things, and its people are generally pretty nice, but, perhaps if we could get over ourselves, we'd be much happier as a nation. 28-percenters such as UTA act as if someone just bitchslapped Jaysus if you don't instantly snap into line, "Yes, Sir, greatest country of all time, sir." How childish.

People really need to get past this "greatest country" bullshit. Do you realize how simply retarded that sounds to the rest of the world.

Who gives a shit? GTFO, gayass.

People really need to get past this "greatest country" bullshit. Do you realize how simply retarded that sounds to the rest of the world.

Perhaps you would feel more comfortable in a place where everyones opinions are homogenized thru government "persuasion'. North Korea , Cuba, now Venezuela all come to mind. 28% may still have their blinders on, following the carrot dangling from a stick, but they, and everyone else, inherited the right, paid for by the blood and sacrifices of previous generations. Print something derogatory about the Royal Family in London, see how long your career lasts. Try to be a Scientologist in Germany, see how far you get. Try to wear a religious headress to school in France, see if you can enroll next semester.

Everyone can be different and wake up the next morning, thats what makes us the greatest country in the world.

I happen to think it's arrogant and annoying to say "greatest nation" all the damn time. Most of the people saying it haven't even left the country.

The Delusions keep on slipping slipping into the future.

Larry

What's that saying Pride goeth before the fall.

Larry

You know if This here United States was "The Greatest Country in the World" We would have no Homeless. We would not have people starving. We would not be killing our fellow citizens. We have a LONGGGGGG way before we proclaim THAT.

Larry

Good to see ya Sarge.......

EVA,

Oh, the "surge" is working. I was in agreement, 'til I figured out it wasn't that "sarge" is working. Yes, yes he is, very hard here on the DR!

Thank You, your words mean alot to me!

Thanks Again

-Sarge

Good to see ya Sarge.......

Posted by asshammer at 2007-08-15 12:42 AM | Reply | Flag

Hi, How are you doing ?

-Sarge

Is America still the greatest country in the world? Interesting question. Thirty years ago the answer would be an overwhelming yes. But now? I am not so sure. There should be an entire thread dedicated to this question. I would be interested to read other posters thoughts. We clearly are not the nation we used to be. Some might blame Bush. Other might blame the burden of being the sole remaining superpower. Others, changing economic realities. And others are probably so gung ho myopic that they don't even recognize fundamental shifts that have occurred since we elected to invade Iraq.

Iraq has come a long way. They have formed a new government, ratified a constitution and are seeking to push out Al Qaeda and resolve internal issues...
Posted by utastaff at 2007-08-14 09:29 PM

What are you smoking? The Iraqi Parliament is so deeply involved in what you're talking about that they've gone on vacation.

The middle east is well on it's way to becoming the "killing fields of humanity".

The criminal "Federal Government", has now declared the iranian revolutionary guards as a terrorist group.
What does that make the secret service, all of the special forces and intelligence operatives of this nation?

Terrorists, in service to the criminals whom are in control of this nation.
Gold and thrones.

operation lightning hammer,operation phantom strike,operation yet another farcical waste of time.

""The criminal "Federal Government", has now declared the iranian revolutionary guards as a terrorist group.""

I wonder what the CIA would be labelled by other countries.

Hmmm, The NY Times thinks the surge is working but the DR fruits don't.

What is the greatest country on the face of the earth and why aren't you dumbshits living there? What kind of douchebag would settle for anything less than the best (besides Danni's girlfirend)?

What kind of douchebag would settle for anything less than the best (besides Danni's girlfirend)?

Posted by 101Chairborne at 2007-08-15 01:24 PM

Your wife.

101ch: Patriotism goes beyond only sticking around if you can claim to be the best. Patriotism means supporting and helping your nation even if it is not the best. Patriotism means working to make your country a better place. Patriotism means a lot more than just waving a flag, chanting "we're number 1", and blinding supporting the Bozo in the White House.

June
American 101
Coalition 7
ISF 197
Iraqi Civilians 1148
Total 1453


July
American 79
Coalition 9
ISF 232
Iraqi Civilians 1458
Total 1778

August projected
American 85
Coalition 8
ISF 79
Iraqi Civilians 1779
Total (projected) 1951

when casualties are going up, that means security is going down.

Surge is not working.

Sounds a lot like the Whack-A-Mole game as described by John McCain.