DAMN!! The D word form a Rethug!!

Start packing Wobbie!!!

does this mean with all the liberals going to canada the repubs can that back congress?

that=take

We definitely need the draft back. Free industrial nations all over the world require service in the military. Maybe the libs won't be so anti-military if they have serve. Then again, well connected libs like Clinton can simply dodge the draft.

does this mean with all the liberals going to canada the repubs can that back congress?

Posted by salamandagator

it seems to me that the liberals serve and repukes are the ones dodging or have something "better to do"

pussy.

We definitely need the draft back. Free industrial nations all over the world require service in the military. Maybe the libs won't be so anti-military if they have serve. Then again, well connected libs like Clinton can simply dodge the draft.

No Like Cheney With 7 Deferments !!!

What A Pussy !!!

Mitt And His 5 Pussy Sons !!

Sean Hannity !!!

Rush !

Savage !

All ChickenHawk Pussies !!!

They Scream And Yell How America Is Under Attack And This Is The Most Import War Of Our Life Time !

No The Young Republicans Go Around Sucking Guys Cocks While They Are Asleep !!!

Fuck All The Pussy ChickenHawk NEOCONS !!!

-SARGE

Then again, well connected libs like Clinton can simply dodge the draft.

Posted by utastaff at 2007-08-10 08:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL,

It's the Chickenshit Republican Chickenhawks that'll be running to Canada (or France)! Get real! Wrapping yourselves in the flag doesn't qualify as Military Service!

If there is ever a new draft, one thing will be certain - EVERYBODY will go, no silver spoon exemptions. That'll put an end to the Forever War real quick.

A draft would end this war. Likely before the draft even took effect. I suspect this would also lead to a call for impeachment, although the draft has always been an option and isn't really much more of one right now, so I don't see why it is being mentioned.

Senator Jim Webb (D-VA) -- rifle platoon and company commander with the Fifth Marine Regiment in the An Hoa Basin west of Danang; was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star Medal, two Bronze Star Medals, and two Purple Hearts. (1)
Representative Tim Walz, D-MN - Twenty-four years of service in the Army National Guard, retiring in 2005.
Representative Joe Sestak, D-PA - 31 years of service in the Navy, rising to the rank of Vice Admiral.
Representative Chris Carney, D-PA - Lieutenant Commander in the United States Naval Reserve, Carney served multiple tours overseas and was activated for Operation Enduring Freedom, Noble Eagle, and Southern Watch.
Representative Patrick Murphy, D-PA - extensive career in the U.S. Army from 1993-2004; earned Bronze Star and Presidential Unit Citation.
Representative Phil Hare, D-IL - Served in the United States Army Reserve for six years.

Representative Jack Murtha (D-PA) - distinguished 37-year career in the U.S. Marine Corps, Bronze Star and two Purple Hearts, retired from the Marine Corps Reserve as a colonel in 1990. (1)
Former House Minority Leader Richard Gephardt - Missouri Air National Guard, 1965-71. (1, 2)
Representative David Bonior - Staff Sgt., United States Air Force 1968-72 (1, 2)
Former Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle - 1st Lt., U.S. Air Force SAC 1969-72 (1, 2)
Former Vice President Al Gore - enlisted August 1969; sent to Vietnam January 1971 as an army journalist, assigned to the 20th Engineer Brigade headquartered at Bien Hoa, an airbase twenty miles northeast of Saigon. More facts about Gore's Service
Former Senator Bob Kerrey... Democrat... Lt. j.g., U.S. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam (1, 2)
Senator Daniel Inouye, US Army 1943-'47; Medal of Honor, World War Two (1, 2)
Senator John Kerry, Lt., U.S. Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, and three awards of the Purple Heart for his service in combat (1)
Representative Charles Rangel, Staff Sgt., U.S. Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea (1, 2)
Former Senator Max Cleland, Captain, U.S. Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam (1, 2)
Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) - U.S. Army, 1951-1953. (1)
Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) - Lt., U.S. Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74. (1, 2)
Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) - U.S. Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91 (1)
Former Senator Fritz Hollings (D-SC) - served as a U.S. Army officer in World War II, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons. (1)

Representative Leonard Boswell (D-IA) - Lt. Col., U.S. Army 1956-76; two tours in Vietnam, two Distinguished Flying Crosses as a helicopter pilot, two Bronze Stars, and the Soldier's Medal. (1, 2)
Former Representative "Pete" Peterson, Air Force Captain, POW, Ambassador to Viet Nam, and recipient of the Purple Heart, the Silver Star and the Legion of Merit. (1, 2)
Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA: Staff sergeant/platoon leader with the 173rd Airborne Brigade, U.S. Army; was wounded and received a Purple Heart. (1, 2)
Bill McBride, Democratic Candidate for Florida Governor - volunteered and served as a U.S. Marine in Vietnam; awarded Bronze Star with a combat "V." (1)
Gray Davis, former California Governor, Army Captain in Vietnam; received Bronze Star. (1)
Pete Stark, D-CA, served in the Air Force 1955-57
Wesley Clark, Democratic Presidential Candidate - 38-year career of public service in the Army, culminating as Supreme Allied Commander of NA

-SARGE

oooh i like a good rochambeaux!

heres a good argument in favor of a draft, and war in general:

"If there is a war, you will furnish the corpses and the taxes, and others will get the glory. Speculators will make money out of it-that is, out of you. Men will get high prices for inferior supplies, leaky boats, for shoddy clothes and pasteboard shoes, and you will have to pay the bill...

Bolton Hall, A Peace Appeal to Labor

theres also that classic line from War Pigs, of course. join me in a chorus?

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor

DAMN!! The D word form a Rethug!!

Start packing Wobbie!!!

Posted by briwo


Ah, 1978's Rambo shows up again to act like he was some badass soldier. How many battles were you in Briwo?

More than you'll ever be in Wobbie! 100% more than you.

C'mom Wobbie, now is the time to back up your convictions. They need you.

I realize it's no ROTC, oh wait, I'm sorry, Geez that's so embarassing..you quit the ROTC after one day because you couldn't handle it. And I go and point it out.
Wow.
Sorry.

They leave that role to the poor

More than you'll ever be in Wobbie! 100% more than you.


You served in the military, I did not... and yet we both have seen the same amount of combat.

Fuck I lived in Newark, I guess that means I've seen more then you.

If they want a draft make sure their is NO exemptions execpt for a serious physical or mental impairment clearly exhibited for at least a year before enlistment. Children of politicians could not serve in reserve units to escape combat roles or join services of a traditionally non combat postion. Let these chicken hawks set the example of how brave they really are. These guys are pretty tough when they are using everyone elses family to do their dirty work.

Sorry Trees... you said Army, not Marines... whoops

Ever notice who those Army commercials are targeting?

Posted by TreesGoneWild at 2007-08-10 10:14 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Usually the uneducated poor farmer. At least that is the one that keeps on playing here. Somewhere in Iowa.

Larry

"Ever notice who those Army commercials are targeting?"

potential soldiers?

If they bring back the draft, we'll have gay republicans coming out of the closet so fast we'll probably end up legalizing gay mariage.

Remember this "war czar"? He was like the 3rd or 4th guy Bush asked to take the job because the others all refused. Now we know why. The war czar was going to be the one to have to take the heat for suggesting the draft come back.

I think a draft is a great idea because when most of Americans are facing the very real prospect of their sons having to fight in Bush's trumped up 'war on terror' and redeployed in war after war after war you will see this Iraq war come to a halt so fast your head will spin.

Does anyone half sane their kids fighting under a commander-in-chief who SWEARS that God told him that EVERYONE in EVERY country must have FREEEEEEEEEDOM and that it is up to Bush alone to get the job done because he was the guy appointed by God to do the job? I'd lock my kid in the basement (if I had one) before sending him into any conflict under this nutcake in the Oval Office.

"Ever notice who those Army commercials are targeting?"

potential soldiers?

Posted by goatman at 2007-08-10 10:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

If they bring back the draft, we'll have gay republicans coming out of the closet so fast we'll probably end up legalizing gay mariage.

Posted by Norm_ at 2007-08-10 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag

Have You ever noticed that it's not some Rich folks kid that the Army recruitment commercials target. It's ALWAYS some dumb corn farmer or some redneck who can't talk too good that is their "Target" people. Don't You find that funny?? I sure do.

Larry

I remember in the summer of 2004, all the liberals were screaming how our children will drafted by Christmas and sent to die in Iraq if Bush was reelected in November.
What happened with that, eh?

Have You ever noticed that it's not some Rich folks kid that the Army recruitment commercials target. It's ALWAYS some dumb corn farmer

Well for starters no, I haven't noticed that... Navy, AF and Marines commercials certainly don't seem to go down that road... I'm trying to find Army commercials on youtube now.

More to the point though, are you calling this nations farmers AND army soldiers dumb? That's a new low for you...

"Have You ever noticed that it's not some Rich folks kid that the Army recruitment commercials target. It's ALWAYS some dumb corn farmer or some redneck who can't talk too good that is their "Target" people. Don't You find that funny??"

No, I think it's smart advertising, Larry. They are not going to get many rich kids to join, so why waste advertising dollars targeting them. DOn't know much about Madison ave, do you?

"As long as they're brown liberals, who really cares right?"

Correct response: As long as they are people who want to join regardles of skin color, who really cares?

No Rob that is the truth whether You want to admit it or not.

Larry

Rob,

The ones that air most often (as much as I see anyway in my 1-2 hours a week in front of the tube) are always some black or hispanic young person talking to their parents about joining the Army.

I think I've seen maybe one that involved a white female.

So from what I've seen the Army certainly does target minorities and it's a trend I find disturbing.

and yet we both have seen the same amount of combat.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-08-10 10:16 PM

ahhh..Wobbie, the starry eyed, dumb Young Republican act doesn't really suit you. Or actually maybe it does.

Google: German Terrorism, 1970's.

Ah... so your armed forces aren't meeting their quotas. Now it takes a Bush lackey to float the idea of the draft to see if there's any protest. That way if Americans coward out then it's his idea but if they agree with it then Bush can take the credit.

I think you guys will have the draft back before Bush leaves office. I'm just curious to see how many pro-war neo-cons on this board suddenly become peacniks when it's their asses on the line.

I hope they do bring back the draft.
They can draft all these worthless liberal college students who major in bullshit like "gender studies".
It would be pretty funny to make them get a haircut and do some real work for once in their lives. The real soldiers can then use all the liberal wussies as human shields.

Why did he take the job in the first place if he didn't want it?

Is this his way of resigning?

Will he be fired?

Will Jessica divorce him?
Will Jane have an affair with Darych?
Stay tuned for the next episode of........

"Empty War Heads in Crisis"!
See you next time....

We now return you to your regularly scheduled clusterfuck.....

They can draft all these worthless liberal college students who major in bullshit like "gender studies".
It would be pretty funny to make them get a haircut and do some real work for once in their lives. The real soldiers can then use all the liberal wussies as human shields.


Posted by fuckyou

Well-fuckyou....

Fuck You.

This is what happens when Democrats and Republicasn are in power. I remeber having discussions with people about the draft during 2004 and they were incredulous, they thought it would never happen. Well, you could see it coming a mile away, as long as Democrats and Republicans hold power, there potential to resuscitate the draft is always there.

Fuck your war and fuck your draft. The republican scarydycat ass kissers who voted for that little imp chowderhead booger eating moron bush did, so they HAVE blood on their hands.
I Don't. I didn't vote for these lying mudering bastards.

If you voted for Shrub go join the damn army and go fight your senseless fucked up slaughter and see if you can make it back alive. otherwise just SHUT THE FUCK UP AND PLEASE JUST FUCK OFF!

KUCINICH FOR PREZ.

Otherwise,

forget about it.

little imp chowderhead booger eating moron bush

what a fucked up family. Can you imagine having a mother like Babs???????

One word!





YIKES!

If you libs are worried that the military is targeting minorities, then this is even MORE reason to have the draft so that college educated middle and upper class white guys serve in combat too! I thought libs wanted everything equal. Thanks for helping my pro-draft argument libs.

Yeah, a draft would end Bush's war. A draft would mean that middle class parents, those who vote, would demand an end to Bush's war. Bring it on. See what happens when the casualties include young people who had brighter futures. herm

DO IT!!!!

Make the '08 WH race even easier!!

"If you libs are worried that the military is targeting minorities, then this is even MORE reason to have the draft so that college educated middle and upper class white guys serve in combat too! I thought libs wanted everything equal. Thanks for helping my pro-draft argument libs."

Hey!! utastaff

Don't call me names. I'm an American. A little bit liberal, a little bit conservative, a little bit moderate. I am not liberal or conservative on all things, it depends on the question you may ask me.

But don't call me liberal and I won't call you something. That's the main problem with all this, we are dividing ourselves.

'Divide and Conquer" Does that ring a bell?

I remember in the summer of 2004, all the liberals were screaming how our children will drafted by Christmas and sent to die in Iraq if Bush was reelected in November.
What happened with that, eh?

Posted by fuckyou at 2007-08-10 11:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do you really want to play this game??

I believe it was the republicans banging the war drum for Iraq to begin with.

Only 1.4 billion to fight the entire war...now we're at 12 BILLION a month.

What about Osama Bin Laden 'Dead or alive'?? That soon turned into Bush saying that he didn't know and didn't care where he was.

Shall I go on?

the people that brought this on and sang the bloody war chorus the loudest and yelled way shrill for blood are the ones that are now trying to deflect all questions by yelling the loudest and deflecting blame, accusing American's who question the govt. as aiding terrorists? Cheney said that. I GOT NEWS FOR YOU!

Not trusting the government IS the American way.

my hope is that bush and dick and alberto get impeached and convicted and frog marched off to the hague for war crimes.
until that happens there won't be justice.

what?,, justice in America????

I must have been dreaming.

Hey, if you're going to take over the world you need some cannon fodder.

The Brain

18 - 25 year olds......pucker up.

I'd love to see the Bushites forced into a War that they support. THEY should be the FIRST ones drafted. That would serve them right.

Larry

"can then use all the liberal wussies as human shields."
Posted by fuckyou at 2007-08-10 11:44


YEAH!

Terrorist minds do think alike!

Women and Children first!

Free industrial nations all over the world require service in the military.

Not sure what's meant by "free industrial" nation, but let's start with some of the countries that do not have conscription:

Argentina
Australia
Belgium
Canada
Czech Republic
France
Hungary
India
Iraq
Republic of Ireland
Italy
Japan
Netherlands
New Zealand
South Africa
Spain
United Kingdom
United States

I'm not opposed to national service, by the way. In fact, I think it's a good idea if---and only if---applied across the board. In other words, none of this college deferrment stuff. And with the proviso that there is a non-military option available.

The problem with national service being equated with military service in the United States is that we fight so goddamn much that there's a good chance of people finding themselves in combat.

Some of the nations that do have mandatory service---Austria, Bermuda, Brazil, Chile, Denmark, Finland, Mexico, Norway, Singapore, Sweden, Switzerland---probably sustain the practice because they are not often involved in combat.

One upside to a draft is that it might help reduce chickenhawks' enthusiasm for sending others and the children of others off to war.

But, bottom line, while I can see some form of national service I'm not in favor of a military draft. I think somewhat along the lines of the oldtime Plains Indians: Someone wanted to work up a war party, he went around offering a pipe to warriors. Those who took the pipe, went to war. Those who didn't take it, didn't. No harm, no foul.

Bringing back the draft will definitely bring people into the streets in riots. That'll do it. If not the kids actually being threatened with the "D" word, their parents for sure. Just let the government try pulling Johnny out of his freshman year at college to become cannon fodder in the middle of the Iraq desert. We'll see plenty of action here at home then.

Maybe the libs won't be so anti-military if they have to serve

Maybe the cons won't be so pro-military if they have to serve.

Someone said no exceptions, except for physical and mental disabilities. Bush loved fryin' up retards in Texas. How many mentally handicapped people did Bush kill as Gov? Plus in "Something about Mary" Warren put an ass whippin on Ben Stiller when he tried to take his ball. Imagine this guy in Iraq?

I'd lock my kid in the basement (if I had one) before sending him into any conflict under this nutcake in the Oval Office.

Posted by CalifChris

Ditto here, and we do have three grandsons, one old enough for a draft and the other two closing in.

I can't believe a draft would take all... as in the tax code there would be loopholes for the privileged.

No, let's not bring back the draft, and let's go further than that: let's kill the Selective Servie once and for all, now!

Repubs are the cowards, always have been. The Libs that protest wars do so out of a sense of genuine patriotism, not cawardice.

Regardless, I support the draft. There is NO better deterrent to war and war-mongering chickenhawk administrations such as the one we've got now, than a draft. As soon as nobody can use the bullshit excuse that, "hey they volunteered", the very notion of sending our kids off to die for NO FUCKING REASON at all will become political cyanide.

For that reason, I doubt seriously that we'll ever see it.

Libs aren't anti-military

Libs are anti stupid wars.

Libs are anti getting our soldiers killed for nothing.

Libs are anti spending billions of dollars for killing brown people that are no threat to us.



Libs are for defending our country against serious threat, and when that happens you will see the libs in line joining up to defend our country and you will see the cons pissing their pants and running away as they always have. Nothing changes.

The country was founded by liberals who fought and died for freedom. The cons of the American Revolution were all for staying British and they stayed home by their nice fireplaces while the libs went out and made America free.

Freedom is a liberal concept.

"Libs are anti spending billions of dollars for killing brown people that are no threat to us."

Libs keep bringing up this concept of being against killing brown people who aren't a threat to us. (at least here on the DR) Why do they keep making this distinction? Are they for killing white, black, and yellow people who are no threat to us? What other conclusion can one draw when the color of the skin is always a qualifier?

Why do they keep making this distinction?


cause that is who bush and the right are telling us are the bad guys today.

Goatman

It seems the US has a habit of killing brown people that are no threat to us. The last time we killed white people was Germany. When we start killing white people that are no threat to us, or yellow people that are no threat to us, or red people that are no threat to us(well we almost committed genocide there, so not much to worry about anymore), I'll put those colors in the list Libs are against killing too.

But most recently---it has been brown people that are no threat to us that we are killing. But maybe you know something I don't---are we killing people of other colors for no reason?

Get ready for a Democrat in the WH folks. Just the hint of the word "draft" will cause all those "war supporting" yuppie Republicans to switch their votes because Uncle Sam ain't even sending their little Johnny to Iraq. Their patriotic fervor will evaporate like a rain drop on hot Florida pavement.
Those "support the troops" bumper stickers will be replaced with peach symbols lickety split.
Congressman Charlie Rangel will be able to remind all y'all about that little bill he proposed back at the beginning of this stupid war that would reinstitute the draft and it says no college deferments. Oh, and now Democrats are in control of Congress so if we get a draft it will be a fair draft not a Cheney deferrment draft.
I will bet you Bush and the administration squash this talk immediately.

True, Bob. But why make the distinction at all? Why not include all people regardless of who the current bogey man is? That's what I don't get.

It hints of a bit of racism when one has to refer to the color of a person's skin when it is an incidental to the argument being made.

I never hear the MSM referring to the color of a person's skin unless it is an integral part of the story; e.g black on black crime

Goatman

It should hint of racism. It IS racism to only attack brown people that are no threat to us.

Reporting black on black crime is racist if you don't point out all the instances of white on white crime.

"It should hint of racism. It IS racism to only attack brown people that are no threat to us."

So you are saying the US invaded Iraq because the people were brown? I haven't heard that one yet. I wonder if the US hated brown people so much we didn't invade Mexico? It would've been a lot easier, solved a LOT of problems, and there are more brown people there to kill.

As usual -- great logic, Bob.

I think the reason "brown people" is brought up is because most wars that we have fought in the past 50 years have been agains brown people. The one exception is probably the NATO mission in Servia.
It might also be worth remembering that more than 3/4 of the world is brown.

Goatman

"So you are saying the US invaded Iraq because the people were brown?"

No dumbass---you are saying that.

"It might also be worth remembering that more than 3/4 of the world is brown."

Excellent point Danni. I was about to bring it up. If someone takes the absurd assumption that wars Americans fight are over racism, how do they explain us killing Germans in WWII?

I hate to lay these facts at your feet Bob, but there hasn't been a single war fought by Americans because the enemy was a different skin color. In fact, how absurd of a notion is that since Americans have the widest varieties of skin colors than any other country on the planet?

It seems the US has a habit of killing brown people that are no threat to us. The last time we killed white people was Germany........

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2007-08-11 04:47 PM

Koreans and Vietnamese are "brown"? That term "brown people" is strange, I don't understand where it comes from. If you want to say Arabs/Muslims/Islamists, then say that.

"No dumbass---you are saying that."

No, Bob, you said it in your post at 5:01:

" It IS racism to only attack brown people that are no threat to us."

This is all I have to say to you about this Bob. As I've said before, it is too easy to get drawn into your tractor beam of stupidity.

"I hate to lay these facts at your feet Bob, but there hasn't been a single war fought by Americans because the enemy was a different skin color."

American-Indian War.
Well, yes, we did really just want their land but they were brown and yes, Americans did like killing them just because they were brown.

"Well, yes, we did really just want their land but they were brown and yes, Americans did like killing them just because they were brown."

I think it was more of a land grab thing. We would've done it if all else being the same they were white I'm sure.

Goatman

All of our wars have been characterized by racist characteristis, starting with the American Indian.

The Indian wars were completely about race.

The Japanese were widely attacked in the media with characteristic buck teeth and thick glasses. The Vietnamese were Gooks and worse.

ALL of our wars used race as a boost to our hatred of the "enemy".

Lately it has been against brown people. Towel heads---sand niggers. But of course no racism involved is there. No profiling is there.



Nope---our philosophy is---our choice at the moment is to spend our money on educating our children, learning new ways of energy independence, expanding space exploration, or killing brown people that are no threat to us.


I know your choice, and you know mine.

Koreans and Vietnamese are "brown"? That term "brown people" is strange, I don't understand where it comes from. If you want to say Arabs/Muslims/Islamists, then say that.

Posted by bellaspapa at 2007-08-11 05:21 PM | Repl

The "brown people" fetish on DR comes from Billy O'Reilly and Moder8 -- no one else with half a brain lumps 3/4ths of the world into two words with no further discussion as to religion, topic, war, you name it -- it's always "you don't like brown people"

"All of our wars have been characterized by racist characteristis,"

Will someone remind me again of how man brown Germans we killed in WWI and WWII?

"The "brown people" fetish on DR comes from Billy O'Reilly and Moder8 "

Don't forget Buffalo Breath

Goatman

As stated already---it is about race in every war. The germans were Krauts and Nazis and Goosesteppers.

If we were attacking Germany today, my statement would have read:

"Nope---our philosophy is---our choice at the moment is to spend our money on educating our children, learning new ways of energy independence, expanding space exploration, or killing Krauts that are no threat to us."

bb

or killing brown people that are no threat to us.
I know your choice, and you know mine.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2007-08-11 05:29 PM

It's false to say that this war in Iraq is being waged to kill 'brown people' when you know as well as I do that Bush and Cheney went into this war for the oil and to push thru their PNAC agenda. Race had nothing to do with the war in Iraq.

I hate Bush's guts but I don't think he's a racist -- why else would he encourage all of Latin America (shades of brown the last time I looked) to pour illegally into the U.S. thru our intentionally left wide open southern border?

Bush started this war for MONEY and OIL and POWER -- not for genocidal purposes.

Goatman

You fail to realize that when I say "brown people" in that context, I am using it in the context of saying it from the right.

I still doubt you grasp the concept. But others do.

Califchris

No shit. But then you miss the point of my post. That is no surprise. No shit.

As stated already---it is about race in every war. The germans were Krauts and Nazis and Goosesteppers.

The Germans killed mostly all white people.
The Japanese killed mostly all white people (that included the European Jews they killed too) plus a lot of Chinese people.

So the Germans were not racists and the Japanese were according to your calculations?

CORRECTION

The Germans killed mostly all white people.

The Japanese killed mostly all white people (that included the European Jews they killed too) plus a lot of Chinese people.

whoops, sorry

(that included the European Jews they killed too)

-- that line should have gone after the "Germans" not the "Japanese"

""We would've done it if all else being the same they were white I'm sure.""

Actually, that is probably not true. Earlier Americans were actually taught that Indians, black people, etc. were, in fact, sub-human and that they did not have the same level of humanity as did white people and therefore it was ok to kill them or enslave them.

BTW, the term "brown people" I think comes from GEorge Carlin's comedy routine where he discusses America's willingness to bomb "brown people."
I'm sure the term was used before but that is what most liberals are referring to when they make comments like that.

Those Sour Krauts were threatening US corporate interests in Europe. Could have been the Spanish, French or Italians, and it wouldn't have made a bit of difference. The Jews made for good bumper-sticker propaganda but there were plenty of Americans who supported the pogrom at the time.

I think religion has played a much larger role than "race" in the history of war. But in the history of war invloving the USA, the religion worth killing for has generally been that which worships at the altar of the almighty Dollar (ironically from "Thaler", an old German word, same as appears in the word "Neanderthaler").

Regardless, I still support the draft as the surest way to avoid future military disasters like we're witnessing in Iraq and to help keep politicians honest.

Califchris

The Germans and Japanese had their own names for us American dogs.

Every race on the fucking planet is racist you dolt.

Racism is the same as---patriotism---the same thing as---being a fan of your football team---the same as---being proud of the State you live in--the same as being proud of the family you come from---the same as believing your religion is the only religion.

People have killed for all of those reasons. Patriotism is a different form of bigotry. As is being a fan of the Yankees or Red Sox. Same thought process--different social acceptance.


It is all based on the same thing---the human need to be better than someone else. It is a weakness in humanity and will prove us as viable as the dinosaur.

"Actually, that is probably not true. Earlier Americans were actually taught that Indians, black people, etc. were, in fact, sub-human and that they did not have the same level of humanity as did white people and therefore it was ok to kill them or enslave them."

Fair enough, Danni. Good point.

Good point

Very good point. And that attitude was part of their perception of the world, which we call Manifest Destiny, which is btw....

not unlike the current version of that same jingoism, the current neo-con Manifest Destiny of the US ruling the world.

Which is why they are floating this trial balloon about the draft.

Bloody business, eh?

"I still doubt you grasp the concept. But others do."

I'm a little curious Bob. How do you know this? Have they sent you private emails that I didn't see? Phone calls? I didn't see a single post from another that said they grasped teh concept. Or are you the general spokesman for everyone on the DR?

I'm just curious how you can make that statement and know it's accurate.

People have killed for all of those reasons. Patriotism is a different form of bigotry. As is being a fan of the Yankees or Red Sox. Same thought process--different social acceptance.

Buffalo Bob = Ward Churchill.

Goatman

I make that statement from reading other peoples posts and seeing their depth of comprehension or lack of it.

Your posts seem to be knee jerk reactions to all the scenarios I've seen you discuss so far. Level one thinking--no questioning or depth of inquiry other than to consider thinking about options, but always rejecting the action.

Don't worry, you aren't alone.

But there are others who do think much deeper and ask many more questions and aren't afraid of the answers because it might dent their perfect world. I think those others will understand the context in which I used the term "brown people".

I think those others will understand the context in which I used the term "brown people".

The term you should use is "brown-eye" which describes you much better.

"Buffalo Bob = Ward Churchill."

A lot of people use LOL liberally. But seriously, I was really LingOL. Scared the neighbor's kids I'm watching this evening.

"Buffalo Bob = Ward Churchill."

You know, the scary thing is that he'll take it as a compliment.

Goatman/Eberly

I see you can't debate the point so you go to the personal attacks.

Patriotism is exactly the same thing as bigotry except you are using your nation instead of your race.

We will die on this planet unless we can put such concepts as Patriotism behind us. We will never be able to accomplish this feat as a species.

So----we die.

Simple isn't it.

"Simple isn't it."

What? Your mind?

"Simple isn't it."

What? Your mind?

Posted by goatman at 2007-08-11 07:25 PM

No--as explained:


I see you can't debate the point so you go to the personal attacks.

Patriotism is exactly the same thing as bigotry except you are using your nation instead of your race.

We will die on this planet unless we can put such concepts as Patriotism behind us. We will never be able to accomplish this feat as a species.

So----we die.

Simple isn't it.

"Every race on the fucking planet is racist you dolt."
Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 05:52 PM

"I see you can't debate the point so you go to the personal attacks."
Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 07:22 PM

Some people have no ability to see themselves.

Ray

I was debating the point, and responding to a particularly stupid comment.

Would you like to pick a point and debate it.

You can call names as long as you debate the point---can you see the difference? Care to debate it asshole?

Actually Bob, when you start calling people names when you are debating with them, it becomes more of an argument.
Debates are not a good place to name call.

Kev3056

Gosh---ya think? Have you read the thread?

Care to debate it asshole?

Since you put it that way. No!

The Vietnamese were Gooks and worse.

The Koreans were gooks. The Korean word for Korean person is hankuk (pronounced hangook).

Brown-eye Bob,

Patriotism is NOT the same thing as racism. Pride is simply being "proud" of something or someone.

If you are so low to think patriotism is going to lead this country down the drain then you are wrong.

What you are spewing is just your own conjecture and you have no substantiation for it.

Buffalo,

You do make a good point. Forget the personal attacks. They are the last refuge of a person that has no retort.

"Buffalo,"

"You do make a good point. Forget the personal attacks. They are the last refuge of a person that has no retort."

Excellent point, Fresno. I guess that's why Bob uses so many personal attacks himself. He rarely has a retort.
Here are at least some of the Bob's own personal attacdks from August 11 alone. (there were actually more, but I left out the innuendos)


" Care to debate it asshole?"
" you dolt."
"No dumbass---"
"You are a liar."
" or are you just really this stupid?"
"dumbass."


I personally agree with you, Fresno, but Bob's not going to like you saying it. The truth has been known to freak him out.

Racism is the same as---patriotism---the same thing as---being a fan of your football team---the same as---being proud of the State you live in--the same as being proud of the family you come from---the same as believing your religion is the only religion.

People have killed for all of those reasons. Patriotism is a different form of bigotry. As is being a fan of the Yankees or Red Sox. Same thought process--different social acceptance.


It is all based on the same thing---the human need to be better than someone else. It is a weakness in humanity and will prove us as viable as the dinosaur.

Um, Bob --

I really hate to state the obvious, but maybe you DON'T know. The dinosaurs are extinct.

The dinosaurs are extinct.

Posted by goatman at 2007-08-12 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Not true. What do You concider Crocs and Gators??

Larry

"Not true. What do You concider Crocs and Gators??"

reptiles.

"The dinosaurs are extinct."

Posted by goatman


Birds, baby, birds.

"Birds, baby, birds."

Yes, they did evolve into birds, I'll agree. But birds are no more dinosaurs than we are a. afarensis.

Goatman

You should learn to read English. When I say a phrase like---will prove us as viable as the dinosaur----- that doesn't mean I think dinosaurs are still living----noooooooo-----it means that in the future (that is where the word "will" comes in---we will be as viable as the dinosaur----which as you pointed out---are extinct.

So now let's put it all together.



Racism is the same as---patriotism---the same thing as---being a fan of your football team---the same as---being proud of the State you live in--the same as being proud of the family you come from---the same as believing your religion is the only religion.



Still there? Get that part? Let's try to move on.


It is all based on the same thing---the human need to be better than someone else.


Not moving too fast am I? I can slow down a bit if you like. Now for the hard part---focus now.


It is a weakness in humanity and will prove us as viable as the dinosaur.




Ok---there it is again---that word "will". It means "in the future". So let's try it like this so maybe you can have the joy of reading and comprehending what someone else is trying to convey to you.




It is a weakness in humanity and will(in the future) prove us as viable as the dinosaur.


Does that help?

Bob --

I know what you meant. You missed my point apparently. So I'll spell it out.

So you think the human race is going to be extinct because of racism? Highly unlikely

"But birds are no more dinosaurs than we are a. afarensis."

Posted by goatman

Hey!
Lucy was hot!

(For her day.)

"Lucy was hot!"

OK. Secret confession. I've never admitted this in public, but when I first read about her back in the '70s I *blush* got a woody.

I *blush* got a woody.

Posted by goatman


Phunny Phlag

Goatman

"I know what you meant. You missed my point apparently. So I'll spell it out."

You didn't know what I meant as proven by your next statement.




"So you think the human race is going to be extinct because of racism? Highly unlikely"

No I think we are going to go extinct because racism is the same as---patriotism---the same thing as---being a fan of your football team---the same as---being proud of the State you live in--the same as being proud of the family you come from---the same as believing your religion is the only religion.



Just curious---do you really only see one word there?

"Just curious---do you really only see one word there?"


Bob --

I have found fault in myself in encouraging insipid threads. I referred to it once as the Tractor Beam of Ignorance. I put a post it note on my monitor to remind me not to get drawn into it since I am obviously too weak to ignore its powers. The post note simply says "TBoI"

Whenever someone tries to ensnare me with it from now on, (and you admittedly have the best one) I will simply reply "TBoI" and move on and possibly catch you on the next thread.

That being said:

TBoI

Goatman

That you can't see the irony of your thread is not surprising. That being said, I would say that my statement of:

Racism is the same as---patriotism---the same thing as---being a fan of your football team---the same as---being proud of the State you live in--the same as being proud of the family you come from---the same as believing your religion is the only religion.


Stands as unrefuted.

Goatman and BuffaloBob arguing again? LOL. My money is on Tweedledee.

The day GWB's daughters, or Dick Cheneys kids or the children of Fortune 500 CEOs are drafted is the day some of us may think a draft is not a bad idea. Until then, it seems like a just another way of filling the ranks with the poor and uneducated.

""Until then, it seems like a just another way of filling the ranks with the poor and uneducated.""

Oh, you mean like the Army we have right now. Talk to Congressman Charlie Rangel, he'll convince you.
The ONLY way we are ever going to prevent more stupid wars like Iraq is to put the children of the rich on the front lines. You'll see what a peaceful nation America can be.

Once again, Frank Zappa said it all 30 years ago!
I am a veteran of the unfortunate war in Vietnam.

Hello! Anybody home?
Special Delivery.
(Oh no . . . )
Registered Mail. You're gonna have to sign for this buddy.
(Oh no . . . )
Come on, I know you're in there.
(Oh no . . . )

I don't wanna get drafted. I don't want to go
I don't wanna get drafted.

I don't wanna get drafted. I don't want to go
I don't wanna get drafted
No-no-no.

Roller skates and disco is a lot of fun
I'm too young and stupid to operate a gun.

I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna get drafted.

My-ay-ay sister don't wanna get drafted
She don't wanna go
My sister don't wanna get drafted.

My-ay-ay sister don't wanna get drafted
She don't wanna go
My sister don't wanna get drafted
Woh-oh-woh-oh-woh.

Wars are really ugly, they're dirty and they're cold.
I don't want nobody to shoot her in the foxhole . . . foxhole.

I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna get drafted
I don't wanna get drafted.

Wars are really ugly, they're dirty and they're cold
I don't want nobody to shoot me in the foxhole . . . foxhole.

Aiieeeeeeeee . . . Shot in the foxhole.
Shot in the foxhole . . . shot in the foxhole . . .
Shot in the foxhole . . . shot in the foxhole . . .

Aiieeeeeeeee . . . Shot in the foxhole.
Shot in the foxhole . . . shot in the foxhole . . .
Shot in the foxhole . . . shot in the foxhole . . .

Aiieeeeeeeee . . . Shot in the foxhole.
Shot in the foxhole . . . shot in the foxhole . . .
Shot in the foxhole . . . shot in the foxhole . . .

Aiieeeeeeeee . . . Shot in the foxhole.
Shot in the foxhole . . . shot in the foxhole . . .
Shot in the foxhole . . . shot in the foxhole . . .

Aiieeeeeeeee . . . Shot in the foxhole . . .

John -- Being a Zappa fan, I can tell he wrote those lyrics. But I can't place them. Which album?

My random CD player just played "dangerous kitchen", btw.

Thanks

Goatman-

The song appears on at least two Zappa albums.

1. "You are what you is"

2. "Lost Episodes"

I have been a Zappa fan since 1966, when I first heard "Freakout," shortly before my military adventure began. I never owned all the LPs, but now I own all the CDs, except for the posthumously released stuff from the Zappa Family Trust in the last five years.

In over 100 CDs, there has to be at least one good quote to cover ANY situation!