Bill and Hillary didn't serve either. How about Obama?

Stupidest question ever.

It's like saying,"do you support our policy of arresting murder suspects?...if you do, then why aren't you a cop?"

I think it's a fair question for any politician or pundit who supports a war. It's a lot easier to support sending our volunteer army overseas and keeping them there with stunts like stop loss orders when none of your kids are the ones in the line of fire.

Yawwn. Why aren't liberals picking up garbage all day , every day on the side of the road if they support government initiatives to clean up the environment?

Or your twin daughters,as the case may be.

How come the British royal idiots have to at least dress-up and play soldier? Military service should be compulsory. Our foreign policy would be a hell of alot different.

"It's a lot easier to support sending our volunteer army overseas and keeping them there with stunts like stop loss orders when none of your kids are the ones in the line of fire."

It's a lot easier to support anything your government does with our collective tax money when you aren't the person who has to go out there and do it. Do you support a clean environment? Probably. Do you go out everyday and pick up garbage? Probably not. Does that mean that your position on the environment is incorrect? Or that you are a hypocrite?

That's a very ridiculous question. It's a volunteer Army. If you want to volunteer, go ahead, no one is stopping you. If you don't want to volunteer (probably like 99% of us), then so be it.

One thing is for sure, you'll never hear the media ask a question like that to a liberal Democrat.

So in essence, this man shied away from the responsibility he had to support his country during its time of need (i.e.: vietnam) because of his religion AND he's pro war?

Christ, just how many rightwing pussies are there in politics? They have no fucking shame apparently. Add all the tough talking wingdings on this site and you'd swear half the states are populated by shrill bitches.

They could be guards at Guantanamo, when you double its size. The could administer electroshock therapy to the testicles and everything.

How about Obama?

When did Obama vote to invade Iraq or said he supports the war? If you think the war is vital to the survival of America, why do you go chickenhawk when it comes to serving?

How come the British royal idiots have to at least dress-up and play soldier?
They don't play dress-up. They actually do serve. Prince Andrew flew a helicopter andserved as Exocet bait in the Falklands. Prince Harry was prepared to serve in Iraq, and not as a Green Zone resident, and may still end up in afghanistan.

I think it's a fair question for any politician or pundit who supports a war.

And yet it never gets asked by democrats when a democrat is in office...

But then again service only matters to Republicans when our guy has a distinguished record...

So we're both sipping from the fountain of hypocrisy.

But then again, Mitt Romney's kids aren't running for anything, it is an all volunteer army, and last I checked the age one can go into the army is the same age where parents lose all control of their kids.

Romney's answer should have been, "Because they are adults and like every adult they chose or chose not to go into the military."

Not everyone is cut out to be Rambo like Briwo... not John Rambo, but his brother Felix, he was the cook (cut from the movie).

"One thing is for sure, you'll never hear the media ask a question like that to a liberal Democrat.

Posted by Republican4ever at 2007-08-08 01:44 PM"

Gee, think that might be because the liberal dem wants us out of Iraq? How obtuse can you be? Do I need to start calling you Joe?

When did Obama vote to invade Iraq or said he supports the war?

Um, well just the other day he was talking about sending the war over the border into Pakistan. If a Republican were talking of escalating the war on terror to yet another country, you liberals would lose your collective shit especially if that GOPer had never served and had no children in the service either.

Romney supports Bush and his war. Romney supports the "surge". The Army is short of manpower. So much so that they have lengthened the tours of duty of troops already in Iraq and shortened the time between deployments to Iraq. So much so that they have lowered the enlistment standards. Romney has five sons. It's a legitimate question to ask him why none of them have volunteered. Answering that they are serving the country by helping to get him elected only shows that he has that magic ability to say exactly the wrong thing at the wrong time and in the wrong place as Bush does. Do we want another one of those in the White House? I think not.

...Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney on Wednesday defended his five sons' decision not to enlist in the military, saying they're showing their support for the country by "helping me get elected."

What an arrogant sob. I wonder if all 5 of Romney's "patriotic sons" are also receiving a very "patriotic paycheck" for working on Daddy's campaign. Surely Romney could spare just ONE of his sons to fight for his country.

It's a legitimate question to ask him why none of them have volunteered

Its a legitimate question to ask his 5 sons. Last I checked, parents don't own their kids and decide their future anymore.

Has anyone asked why Chelsea isn't serving? When John Edwards kids reach 18 do they have to be automatically enrolled because of their father's vote? Kerry's kids? Are they serving?

I don't have the exact roll count in front of me, but I'm pretty sure more then just a handful of Democrats voted for this war...

...Romney's five sons range in age from 37 to 26 and have worked as real estate developers, sports marketers and advertising executives. They are now actively campaigning for their father and have a "Five Brothers" blog on Romney's campaign Web site.

Bush is actively recruiting up to age 42. Come on, Romney boys, show some guts and sign up for the war that your Daddy is behind 100%. Cowards.

All five are working to get DAd elected so that he can send other people's kids to fight in an unnecessary war in Iraq. They serve America by helping to elect a chickenhawk. Yay!

""If a Republican were talking of escalating the war on terror to yet another country,""

Later in the exact same debate that they criticized Obama's comments they also admitted that no, they would not take the possibility of a military incursion into Pakistan off the table.
They took cheap, dishonest shots at Obama and made Obama the likely winner of the Republican debate.

Clue: most Americans think we should really try to catch or kill Bin Laden. No more bait and switch enemies. Saddam is not Bin Laden, they weren't even allies.

Surely Romney could spare just ONE of his sons to fight for his country.

Posted by CalifChris


If my father called me and told me I had to quit my job, enlist in the military, move away from my home and go to war, and that I have no say in it even though it is an all volunteer army I would (very respectfully) tell him to go fuck himself.

Danni, why can't you just be honest... If a Republican who had never served and had no children serving in the military was talking of escalating this war, you would be all over him and anyone who supports him as a "chickenhawk."

Just admit the same thing about Obama...

true republicans are lokking hard for anything or anyone to blame for their total fubar of this country. Isnt going to work, these nazis are so far out there that no one else can take the blame. If you voted republican you must feel like a total fool

Has anyone asked why Chelsea isn't serving?...

No, and they aren't going to make a big deal out of it the same as they aren't going to make a big deal about the Bush twins either because they are women. The majority of this country do not want women in combat (and many of the older guys feel women don't even belong in the military) so there would never be a push to shove those gals into signing up for the military. End of that story.

BUT FIVE SONS AGES 26 - 37????? Surely Romney could have instilled a sense of patriotic duty to their country in at least ONE of his sons so at least ONE of his sons would want to sign up to fight in Iraq in the war Romeny soooooooo believes in, a war Romeny agrees is "keeping us safe here at home" a war that we "are fighting there so we don't have to fight them over here" blah blah blah.

It's a fucking stupid question.

I don't agree with Rob & co. on much, but this is one thing I absolutely agree with.

If warmonger Hillary won't be questioned on why her precious Chelsea isn't in a warzone, I don't see why asking Romney is relevant.

""Just admit the same thing about Obama...""

Er....Obama was against this war from the beginning. I don't get your point.


"""Don't you fucking tell me about my political problems, or my personal problems," Clinton said, according to Clarke. "You tell me about national security. Is it the right thing to do?" Clarke thought it was. "Then fucking do it," Clinton told him.""

Gosh, what a potty mouth. I bet GWB wouldn't cuss like that.

Er....Obama was against this war from the beginning. I don't get your point

Right, but he's for starting a war in Pakistan...

Last I checked he's never served and none of his kids are either.

Doesn't that make him a chickenhawk too?

those cuss words have to many letters for Herr Bush. he uses shorter ones

FORTUNATE SON[S]"

Some folks are born made to wave the flag,
Ooh, they're red, white and blue.
And when the band plays "Hail to the Chief",
Ooh, they point the cannon at you, Lord,

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no senator's son, son.
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no,

Yeah!
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand,
Lord, don't they help themselves, oh.
But when the taxman comes to the door,
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yes,

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no millionaire's son, no.
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, no.

Some folks inherit star-spangled eyes,
Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord,
And when you ask them, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer More! more! more! yoh,

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no military son, son.
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no fortunate one, one.

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate one, no no no,
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no fortunate son, no

-- Creedence Clearwater

Er....Obama was against this war from the beginning. I don't get your point

Right, but he's for starting a war in Pakistan...


Last I checked he's never served and none of his kids are either.


Doesn't that make him a chickenhawk too?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-08-08 02:09 PM

No, it doesn't. You're really grabbing at straws trying to defend the cowardly, anti-patriotic sons raised by Mitt Romney.

So, the sons of a man who supports a war are obligated to volunteer themselves to fight in said war...

Are the sons of a man who opposes abortion obligated to bomb abortion clinics?

Are the sons of a man who supports gay rights obligated to be gay?

Are the sons of the morons who agree with this tripe obligated to be lobotomized?

CalifChris that song really doesn't make sense here... there isn't a draft anymore.

If We Are At War And You Support The War And Bush You Need To Sign Up!

Why Always Call Those Who know This Is A 'Phony War' (Thanks Newt) Un American and Not Support The Troops.

This War Is So Fucking Important To America's Security, Why Don't you Defend It ?

The Army Has To Give Out $20,000 Enlistment Bonuses to Me Quota but You ie "Great Americans" Will Not Join to Defend It.

I Personally Believe If You Are Not Willing To Pick Up A Weapon To Defend Your Country And A Fight For A Cause You Support; That Others Fight And Die For. You Really Should Feel Ashamed.

The Truth Is the Number Of Al-Queada In Iraq is Approx 1,000 And As Newt Stated This War Is "PHONY" !!

-Sarge

Most children are to some degree reflections of the parents. The fact that Romney pretends to be so gung ho in favor of this war and yet none of his five sons ever got involved is telling on some level. It suggests to me that Romney's support for the war is perhaps more political opportunism than genuine sentiment. Regardless, I wouldn't vote for this piece of shit even if he were running against Elsie the cow.

No, it doesn't. You're really grabbing at straws trying to defend the cowardly, anti-patriotic sons raised by Mitt Romney.



Posted by CalifChris


I'm not voting for Romney, I'm not a fan of his, but I point out hypocrisy and stupidity when I see it Chris.

Obama has never served, and has no children serving and is talking about escalating the war in another country. That is the same definition you libs use to call GOP politicians and their supporters chickenhawks.

Anti-patriotic sons raised by Mitt Romney.
Posted by CalifChris
----

Having a father that supports a war that you're not in = Unpatriotic

Wanting your country to loose and pull out of a war your party supported in the beginning = Patriotic?

I Personally Believe If You Are Not Willing To Pick Up A Weapon To Defend Your Country And A Fight For A Cause You Support; That Others Fight And Die For. You Really Should Feel Ashamed.

Like Obama?

Like every Liberal here who claims to support troops in Afghanistan?

from the article

Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, also saluted a uniformed soldier in the crowd and called for donations to military support organizations. Last week, he donated $25,000 to seven such organizations.

$25,000 to billionaire Romney is like you and me donating $10.

Does Romney think his $25,000 conscience money buys him a free pass on not having to send a single one of his 5 sons over to that bloody sandpit in Iraq -- the same place that if he is elected President will continue to send everyone else's sons?

Does it also suggest to you that Romney speaks out of both sides of his mouth on many issues?

Does Romney think his $25,000 conscience money buys him a free pass on not having to send a single one of his 5 sons over to that bloody sandpit in Iraq

Are you missing a chromosome or just deliberately acting retarded...

Romney can't send his sons anywhere... he doesn't own them. If you have a problem with his sons not serving (like you aren't BTW... why aren't you in Afghanistan?), talk to them.

Until someone proves otherwise this is a free nation, and we are free to join the military or not.

Seriously guys...

There is no draft. If these kids were dodging a draft while talking up the war, I would agree with y'all.

Freedom means you are free to be a punk bitch, and support the war.

All this means is that they don't put their money where their mouth is, but frankly we all knew that already.

"$25,000 to billionaire Romney is like you and me donating $10."
--CALIFCHRIS

You HAVE donated at least $10 then, right?

Since when are full-grown adults expected to have the same political beliefs as their parents? I couldn't be further from the political philosophy of my dad. Also, even if your dad did support the war and you agreed with him on that, how is your decision not to join the army a poor reflection on him? Once again, do you have to personally engage yourself in every political initiative you support? Or that your dad supports? This might be the stupidest thread of all time.

This might be the stupidest thread of all time.

Posted by JOE
------

No MIGHT about it.

PFC Chelsey Clinton..........I don't think you will ever see that. And remember..equal rights.

amazing, can't handle the subject, must try to deflect to clinton.....weak brain

How is it a deflection?

Both support the war, both have children of serving age... one is getting crap for his kids not serving while the other is getting a pass.

Its not a deflection its pointing out the hypocrisy of Liberals here at the retort.

a second weak brain heard from. can you scroll up and read the topic? doubtful

This might be the stupidest thread of all time.

Posted by JOE at 2007-08-08 02:25 PM |


Well it's close but I'd have to call it a toss up with the one where Truthhurts wanted to ban tag for kids and wanted private showers for all teenage kids in school. What a putz he/she is.

Like every Liberal here who claims to support troops in Afghanistan?

Well He Is 46 Years Old, 4 Years Too Old !!!

The Troop Shortage Was Cause By The 'PHONY WAR' In Iraq Not Afghanistan, Where Heroes Are Serving 4 Tours Already !!!

While Iraq's Government Is On Vacation !! What A Joke !

-Sarge

The topic is about Mitt Romney's sons not serving even though they are still of age and he supports the war.

My question is why is it just about Romney? there are other presidential contenders with kids who support (or supported) this war, and there aren't threads dedicated to the service or lack thereof of their children.

Could that be because Romney is a Republican?

CalifChris that song really doesn't make sense here... there isn't a draft anymore.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole


That's the crux of the problem right there. Romney didn't go to Vietnam due in part to a high draft number, some of us weren't so lucky. We need an immdeiate reinstatement of the SS and all of it's Solomon Amendment provisions. The military is getting more FUBARed by the day thanks to BushCo. They keep asking for more to enlist, so it's really pretty simple. Draft up to the force level needed/wanted from the ENTIRE population with only medical deferments considered. You'd hear the howls ripping out of every Republican mouth in the country overnight and the troops would be out of Iraq most riki tik.

My sons (17 and 20) know very well that I oppose this war. I have told them many times that only a fool would enlist in the military while this madman is in the White House.
Obviously they get to make their own choices. But being their father, I of course have a strong influence on them. I would at this point bet my last dollar that neither of them would enlist without my blessing.
Similarly, if Romney is any kind of true parent, I imagine he has the same influence over his kids. The fact that none of them have been involved in the "war effort" speaks something of the advice Mitt has shared with them when the camera was not watching.

you want a new topic submit it. you want to post, try and muster the power to stay on topic. It is a deep thought process

The Troop Shortage Was Cause By The 'PHONY WAR' In Iraq Not Afghanistan

You didn't say people should be ashamed just because of a troop shortage. You said they should be ashamed because they won't fight for a cause they believe in.

99% (estimate) of the Democrats here claim to support the war in Afghanistan... wouldn't that mean they fall under your criteria of people who should be ashamed?

Obama wants to escalate that theatre, but has never served and no child of his has served either... should he be ashamed, should he be called a chickenhawk.

Similarly, if Romney is any kind of true parent, I imagine he has the same influence over his kids.

At the ages of your kids, maybe he would have... but I think his youngest son is 26. I'm right around that age, my father doesn't have that kind of influence on me at this point.

In my late teens early 20s yeah, he would have, and if his kids were that age I would agree with you that he could influence them... at this point, its 100% their decision.

So, the sons of a man who supports a war are obligated to volunteer themselves to fight in said war...

They're not obligated to do anything. But they're trying to elect a man who supports this war, so it's a fair question to ask them.

It's also fair to ask any other politician, D, R, or otherwise, when they support military action.

you want a new topic submit it. you want to post, try and muster the power to stay on topic. It is a deep thought process

Posted by Georgeisadrunk


What's the matter douche? Don't like having your hypocrisy exposed like this?

hmmm, they are all still mormans. you are right! no lasting parental influence

nasty name calling by a weak brained a hole/////wow

nasty name calling by a weak brained a hole/////wow

Posted by Georgeisadrunk


Since when is "Douche" nasty?

You're a hypocrite... its pretty plain for all to see.

I would ask you to point out the hypocracy but that is to deep for you. As you are attempting to insult not persuade. you just dont matter at all. tell us more about clinton and the dress. Tell us what a brillinat man reagen was with altzheimers. but do it all with your head still up your ass, little man

I would ask you to point out the hypocracy but that is to deep for you.

How many of the DNC candidates voted for war or are in favor of escalating the war?

Besides Kucinich I'm hard pressed to think of one...

Now how many of them have served or have children in the service? And finally, how many of them are you bitching about?

tell us more about clinton and the dress

The GOP made a collasal mistake in impeaching President Clinton for his affairs and lying about it.

Is it really all that surprising that the children of politicians aren't serving in the military? Most of our leaders are extremely wealthy. In general, those going into military service are lower to lower-middle class, and either hoping to learn a trade or get money for college. I'm sure paying for college is not a problem for Romney's kids. Personally, I served for 7 years and joined primarily for a mix of patriotism and college money. I am very proud of my service and have no regrets but am honestly not sure if I still would have joined if my family was better off financially.

I guess I can't blame his kids for not wanting to serve. I don't know what their view of the current Iraq war is. If the kids are big hawks (or are actively campaigning for somebody who is), then they are huge hypocrites. I have very little respect for any single kid in his or her 20's that actively supports this war but doesn't serve. Why don't they step up when Uncle Sam needs them and not "cut and run" when the recruiter calls? If Iraq is truly our generations WWII, why aren't more people joining?

On this subject, I did see a funny bumper sticker last week: "Draft College Republicans" :-)

Obama wants to escalate that theatre, but has never served and no child of his has served either... should he be ashamed, should he be called a chickenhawk

1st- He Is Too Old (46)

2nd- Malia (born 1999) and Sasha (born 2001)

Sending 2 Little Girls Under 10 To War Is OK To You ?

-Sarge

Whoa there Sarge, Obama could have served at any time in his life, never did and now wants to escalate the war.

That is the exact same reasoning democrats use in calling members of this admin chickenhawks.

Er....Obama was against this war from the beginning. I don't get your point

Right, but he's for starting a war in Pakistan...


Last I checked he's never served and none of his kids are either.


Doesn't that make him a chickenhawk too?

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole

He never said he was going to start a war in Pakiland you full bag ole douche. He said if he had good info of OBL he would take them out.Rob you used to sound smart. What happened my friend....

I'm not exactly sure how old Obama is but did he actively avoid military service for made up health reasons during the Vietnam war, while "supporting" it at the same time?

If he did he's just as bad as the rest.

Sending 2 Little Girls Under 10 To War Is OK To You ?

-Sarge

He would do so if he could teach them sex ed on a personal level....

Chill, its simply using the same arguments the Democrats have used since 2003 against Republicans. Obama has never served even though he could have... if he is president and sends men into battle when he never felt the need to put on a uniform, according to Democrats he is a chickenhawk.

Its the same reasoning used against Cheney, and Bush (though Bush served, just not in a real combat sense of the word served) and a whole host of Republicans.

He would do so if he could teach them sex ed on a personal level....

Posted by Chill


We disagree on a political level and that makes me a pedophile?

Wow... you're a fucking scumbag...

I don't see strikes across Afghanistan's border with Pakistan as an expansion of war to a new theater. We're not at war with Pakistan, our ally against the Taliban. Rattling the saber to tell Musharraf to take care of his militant problem on the border seems like the proper approach.

Rob if Bush just invaded Aghaniland that would be great, he was defending the country. But to go after a target that we had no reason to and sink out men and women and dough. And to land on an aircraft carrier with your old man balls hanging...

YEAH!

It's of no relevance and of no consequence that the ones asking you to sacrifice won't sacrifice themselves!

So goes the Fake Plastic Mind!

But what's so telling about this state of mind is it's the same mind that claims we are in a "fight for our survival", a "battle for our civilization"!
A battle that apparently we are "a free nation, and we are free to join the military or not" which needles to say undermines their claim as to the urgency of Islamofascist and the true threat they think we face (one where you can chose to ignore if you like)!

And they wonder why no one (except the 20% christofascist -- the same christofascists who won't serve) belittles and mocks their hyperventilation!

So goes the Fake Plastic mind --- a mind always at odds with itself!

Rob I thought Neo-Bushlings had a sense of humor... Remember all those comments you made about Baraks sex ed class. It's a joke cum breath...

I don't see strikes across Afghanistan's border with Pakistan as an expansion of war to a new theater.

How would the Pakistanis see it?

Democrats for the past 4 years have been making the argument that the only way you can send men into battle is if you've worn the uniform yourself...

Its not my fault that makes you guys look like hypocrites now.

YEAH!

It's of no relevance and of no consequence that the ones asking you to sacrifice won't sacrifice themselves!

So goes the Fake Plastic Mind!

But what's so telling about this state of mind is it's the same mind that claims we are in a "fight for our survival", a "battle for our civilization"!
A battle that apparently we are "a free nation, and we are free to join the military or not" which needles to say undermines their claim as to the urgency of Islamofascist and the true threat they think we face (one where you can chose to ignore if you like)!

And they wonder why no one (except the 20% christofascist -- the same christofascists who won't serve) believes what they say and belittles and mocks their hyperventilation!

So goes the Fake Plastic mind --- a mind always at odds with itself!

the same christofascists who won't serve

Obama, Clinton, Edwards?

Republicans for the past 4 years have been making the argument that the only way American can survive is by stopping Islamo fascism, that our nation faces certain destruction and requires America commitment to the cause.


It's not my fault that makes you guys look like hypocrites now on this thread.

I wish I could serve, but my one day in ROTC taught me "it just wasn't for me" just like it isn't for alot of Repub's.
I've found "other" ways to "serve" Lord Bush.

-Wobbie the Poop Shoot

Is anyone else disturbed that Romney actually compared his kid working on his campaign to the sacrifices our troops are making Iraq?

that would be a big 10-4

Rob the a-hole, you have a dingleberry hanging out of your ear, oh wait it's your brain. You know as well as everyone else that Obama didn't say he was willing to take the war to Pakistan. Your statement implies a whole lot more than what he said.

Is anyone else disturbed that Romney actually compared his kid working on his campaign to the sacrifices our troops are making Iraq?

Posted by katieberry at 2007-08-08 03:34 PM | Reply

Oh It Is Typical NEOCON Bullshit, Just Look at Sean Hannity's "Hi Sean You Are A Great American" to all his Kool-Aid Drinkers. Then Rant About Who Is Un American When They Never Lift A Damn Finger To Fight This MOST IMPORTANT WAR IN IRAQ !!!

Wow, How Come Newt Says It's PHONY !!!

-Sarge

One thing is for sure, you'll never hear the media ask a question like that to a liberal Democrat.

Posted by Republican4ever at 2007-08-08 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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I'm going to have to pull your Bullshit card over that remark.

Any particular individual may have a legitimate excuse. It is when a certain population as a whole is viewed, and it displays a certain hypocrisy that intelligent minds draw valid conclusions.
Specifically, an individual gung ho rightwinger who supports the Iraq invasion might have a legitimate reason for not enlisting, or not encouraging their children to enlist But when we look across the spectrum of rightwingers we see that the vast majority of them neither have enlisted nor encouraged their children to enlist. Which indicates that the vast majority of rightwingers are lying hypocrites. As I say, individuals may have a legitimate excuse. But the same can not be said for the group as a whole.
Which is why I agree with that bumper sticker. Draft College Republicans.

Obama wants to escalate that theatre, but has never served and no child of his has served either... should he be ashamed, should he be called a chickenhawk...

I know Bush is having a real tough time finding more recruits for his illegal war in Iraq and has now even let felons and gangbangers join the military but do we really need to recruit 8 year old and 6 year old LITTLE GIRLS for Bush's war??? Or do you expect Bush's illegal war in Iraq and his eternal "war on terror" to still be going strong by the time these two girls turn 18.

[Obama and his wife] were married in 1992 and have two daughters, Malia, born in 1999, and Natasha ("Sasha"), born in 2001...

"Right, but he's for starting a war in Pakistan...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-08-08 02:09 PM"

Rob, do you really think that's a fair summary of what Obama said? Starting a war in Pakistan? Really?

Why didn't Mitt serve? Why don't his sons have the cojones to volunteer?

Because this is the Bush Family, Part II.

Why didn't Mitt serve? Why don't his sons have the cojones to volunteer?

Romney, who did not serve in Vietnam due to his Mormon missionary work

Mormons Don't have To Go To War They Just Slaughter Settlers:

The Mountain Meadows massacre was a massacre of the Baker-Fancher emigrant party on September 11, 1857 at Mountain Meadows by Mormon militia and Paiute supporters. The emigrants, mostly from Arkansas, were traveling to California through the Utah Territory

-Sarge

Rob, do you really think that's a fair summary of what Obama said? Starting a war in Pakistan? Really?

Posted by mOntecOre


Is it completely unreasonable to assume that if President Obama were to bomb Pakistan it could start a war with them? Countries typically don't like being bombed... plus there's that whole thing of 99% of that country being religious nutjobs that may revolt if Musharraf didn't respond.

Here's where it gets fun, because if we do have actionable intel of AQ in Pakistan I think we should bomb the crap out of them and Obama was right to say so. But he has never served in the military, and he was perfectly capable of doing so. By YOUR ("your" meaning libs in general) definition, he is a chickenhawk.

Why didn't Mitt serve?

Why didn't Obama? Oh you don't give a crap about that? Hmmm... wonder why?

I wish I could serve, but my one day in ROTC taught me "it just wasn't for me" just like it isn't for alot of Repub's.
I've found "other" ways to "serve" Lord Bush.

-Wobbie the Poop Shoot

Posted by briwo


LOL... almost missed this one... You've got to love Briwo. He works behind a desk for a year or two in the late 70s and now thinks its an insult when he makes fun of how others didn't serve.

HAHAHA... we couldn't all take inventory in storehouses Briwo, I envy your patriotism and commitment.

The question is quite reasonable. The answer is illuminating. Instead of realizing the implications of having his sons give service in benefit of the entire country. Romney's reply reveals heretofore obscured narcissism by mentioning that his sons are helping his election efforts. Who wants such a person to be president? Not, I!

Ditto, Sobre, ditto.

Who wants such a person to be president? Not, I!

Posted by sobrevivir


I'm not voting for him... he's a clown.

But not because he hasn't forced his fully grown adult sons into the military.

I just got to this thread, so forgive me if it's been said.

His sons didn't enlist. Does someone actually think that a father can compel his sons to join the service?

Did Mitt say he was sorry his sons aren't in Service? And if not, why not? Now, that's a VERY appropriate question for a warhawk politician.

I can't really judge Romney for the actions of his adult kids. But I do think his boys are hypocritical losers for being healthy, single, young adults with a pro-war stance but not serving in the military.

They really should start drafting College Republicans.

But, you know, I don't necessarily care at this moment Mitt's boys won't serve.

What I would care about is if any of these progidies eventually run for public office on a warhawk platform.

That's when the question of who or who does not sacrifice for this country and what they expect as rewards really bites. As it freaking should.

On this same subject...

Several years ago, during a debate (I don't remember for what) a candidate was asked "what was your greatest sacrifice" and he basically had no response and just a blank look on his face.

Does anybody remember who this was?

" But I do think his boys are hypocritical losers for being healthy, single, young adults with a pro-war stance but not serving in the military."

How do you know they have a pro war stance? Is this a fact you read somewhere, or an opinion?

Do you like milk, Katie? Have you ever worked on a dairy farm? no?!? How hypocritical

Lame -- Guess when Dubya was taking time off from the ANG to snort coke, chase skirts and whatever else, and help Blount run for US Senator in Alabama, that was "serving", too? BS!

Blowhard pansy Romney is LAST on my list of GOPS!

I think it safe to assume Katie has never advocated a war with cows.

I'm assuming the boys are pro-war because they are actively campaigning for a pro-war candidate.

Do you like milk, Katie? Have you ever worked on a dairy farm? no?!? How hypocritical

Well, if farmers up in Wisconsin were getting blown up and horribly injured on a daily basis, I would probably a) stop drinking milk or b) join the cause if I really believed a fictional milk-crisis was our generations WWII.

Mitt's boys don't fight because they're frigthened and have something better to do.

How do I know they've got something better to do? Their daddy told me.

Don't blame them for being frightened. Just don't expect me or anyone else to call them brave as the years roll by.

Come on now, it does say ROMNEY in the headline. We must not bring up any name but ROMNEY so says the DR left. YOU SHOULD KNOW BY NOW THAT WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS DEFINITELY NOT GOOD FOR THE GANDER. Shame on some of you for wanting to ask why the sons and daughters (or spouses) of others who voted for the war are NOT serving or didn't serve. THIS MUST BE DEBATED ONLY IN TERMS THAT CERTAIN DR LEFTIES DEMAND. Get with it now........

Every able bodied American should serve, with their payment going directly to either an educational fund for themselves or their children.

With a country that has an amendment like our 2nd, it stands to reason that everyone should be able to handle a weapon.

Am I wrong?

It's a BS excuse. He should of just said it is their choice like everyone else in America and I support them either way.

Is it a stupid question?

To ask a war supporter why one of his, apparent, surplus of sons aint serving?

Hell, no that's totally appropriate.

Ask Hill too.

She voted fer the damn thing over and over.

Moore made the point in F9/11 how so few kids of career politicians serve although they are the ones who call the wars and supposedly support them.

More true of the GOPhers than the Dems?

Spud can't say with any accuracy. Prolly.

The other topic that cropped up was interesting to Spud "Compulsary Service". Spud sees an upside to it in terms of the egalitarian nature of everyone having to serve and a downside too in terms of if ya have a large army yer tempted to wanna do stuff with 'em.

Spud would ultimately haff to come out against the idea but it took some thinking to get there. Anybody else think it's a good or bad idea?

Be Well.

Stuart sed...

He should of just said it is their choice like everyone else in America and I support them either way.

He did sorta he sed...

"My sons are all adults and they've made decisions about their careers and they've chosen not to serve in the military and active duty and I respect their decision in that regard."

That shoulda been his first response but being a candidate he had to equate working on his campaign with patriotism. That was a dumb, if easily foreseeable, mistake on Mittens part and now blog-world is poke fun at him over it.

Be Well.

"I think it safe to assume Katie has never advocated a war with cows."

No, but (do I REALLY have to explain this? *sigh*) it is safe to say she advocates that one must be a part of something they believe in.

So I assume from the left knee jerks that any politican who supports a war must have their children enlist?

Do we really want to go there? I really don't feel like opening the "google" tab and listing all the Democrat candidates for president who have run for office during a war and whose children didn't enlist. Too time consuming and too rude to rub it in your face. At least they didn't dodge the draft as a recent Democratic president did.

Helllooo...Its a volunteer Military !!

Whats Romney going to say to his kids...Hey Guys Im running for Prez so you have to go to Iraq and serve so America-hating leftists dont call me a chickenhawk--gimme a break!!

Just because you or your children didnt/dont serve in the military doesnt mean you cant be President

Just because you or your children didnt/dont serve in the military doesnt mean you cant be President


I think you missed the point.

It's hypocritical to support a war being fought by the children of other while at the same time supporting your own children for NOT fighting.

If hypocritical is too strong a word, how about a simple "selfish?"

He did sorta he sed...

"My sons are all adults and they've made decisions about their careers and they've chosen not to serve in the military and active duty and I respect their decision in that regard."


Your right he should have just left it at that

This is the same position I would have if a democrat was asking the same thing about one their children

BTW -- does anyone know if Chelsea has enlisted yet?

No Chelsea is going to help Mom with her campaign..


Saddam is not Bin Laden, they weren't even allies.

Posted by danni at 2007-08-08 01:57 PM | Reply


There you go again Danni---

They had more in common that you want to admit. You have heard the enemy of my enemy is my friend?

I am not saying there were co-operations, but the group of AQ with OBL and Saddam had plenty in common.


Murphy

To me the equation is simple: If you are willing to send others to die for a cause you yourself are not willing to die for, you are a ChickenHawk.

If you feel we, as a country, have no choice but to fight this war, why do you feel you, as an individual, have the choice not to do the fighting?

"Why didn't Obama? Oh you don't give a crap about that? Hmmm... wonder why?"

Dear Rob the Appropriately Named One:

Because nobody wants that idiot in a war zone, trying to figure out which end of a gun is which.

Just because I'm against Romney doesn't mean I'd waste good spit hawking on Obama.

Pardon me for being a little late to the party, but after reading all that scintillating back and forth up thread, I'd just like to point out that Senator Obama's two daughters are aged 9 and 6. It seems to me that little shavers like that are a might young to be serving in the military, so it seems to me that using "why aren't Obama's kids serving?" as a response to Mitt's pinheaded progeny's proud proclamation of their intent to steadfastly avoid joining Chicken George's Excellent Iraqi Adventure would be ill advised. Find another deflection, please. Don't any of you brainiacs do any real research before you start pounding your peckers on the keyboard?

Why do College Republicans cut and run when the recruiter calls?

I have heard repeatedly that Iraq is at the heart of the survival of our civilization, that we're fighting them over there so they don't attack us here, and we're fighting for the American way of life. According to The Pentagon this is also the "Long War" and may last decades. The Barbarians are essentially storming our gates as we speak.

I question the character of any individual who truly believes all of that yet does not enlist in the military; esp. those who are unmarried and in the 17-30 age bracket.

Our country desperately needs troops. I'd much rather have these go-getters who live "the American way of life" enlist in the military instead of lowering the enlistment standards. I find it horribly depressing that the people who still live what's left of the American Dream, are the one's who are least likely to serve.

Lame -- Guess when Dubya was taking time off from the ANG to snort coke, chase skirts and whatever else, and help Blount run for US Senator in Alabama, that was "serving", too? BS!

Posted by townncountry

And where was Bill Clinton at this time????? He wasn't "humping the bush in country". He was just humping the bush.

Why do College Republicans cut and run when the recruiter calls?
Posted by katieberry at 2007-08-09 08:04 AM

Probably the same reason the College Democrats do...

Mitt's got an appointment at the beauty parlor in 10 minutes. Puh-leese do not give him crap. He might break his nails or get his hair mussed up. That'll cost him an erection -- er, election.

Asking Romney why his sons aren't serving only makes sense if you live under the delusion that his sons are automatically for the war just because he is.

What do his grown sons have to do with his position on the war? I personally believe that anyone asking that type of question is being intellectually dishonest. The only other explanation is that the activist is an imbecile.

Whats Romney going to say to his kids...
Posted by mark61099 at 2007-08-08 09:28 PM

YEAH!

How about what he says to us????

``Well, I think it shows a complete lack of understanding of the kind of enemy that we're facing. This is not a small group of whackos in the hills that all we have to do is go find one person and it suddenly goes away. This is, instead, a movement. It's a jihadist movement. It's an extreme wing of Islam. It includes people, hundreds of thousands, potentially millions of people throughout the world that are intent on bringing down America, bringing down civilization as we know it. It's going to be a long-time fight against these people. And that's why the president has called it a war. Iraq is one front in that war. And there will be other fronts in this war, I'm sure. But the idea that somehow if we just go home and sit back quietly that it'll all go away is just pollyannish and not realistic. After all, what did we do to deserve 9/11? They attacked us also on the USS Cole, they attacked our embassies and we sat back and negotiated."
o Governor Mitt Romney, August 11, 2006 on MSNBC


"The president is right to point to an international jihadist movement aimed at the collapse of the United States. He has gone after that threat in the right way and with great energy and vigor, and I applaud the fact that he has taken it on very seriously and has not considered it just a criminal action but instead a war action, which requires a military . . . response."
o Interview with James Taranto (December 2005)

"From the day that the colonists in Massachusetts took up their arms to secure their liberty to the present day, Americans have had to fight to protect the freedom that makes our country great," said Romney. "The men and women who have volunteered and who are now serving our country in the global war on terror deserve our support."
o Governor Mitt Romney, 08-26-2005 Press Release

What's Romney going to say to his kids...
Posted by mark61099 at 2007-08-08 09:28 PM

YEAH!

How about saying this to them (since he felt he needed to say it to us on his website)


"First, we need to increase our investment in national defense. This means adding at least 100,000 troops and making a long-overdue investment in equipment, armament, weapons systems, and strategic defense. The need to support our troops is repeated like a mantra in Washington. Yet little has been said about the commitment of resources needed to make this more than an empty phrase."

*** Romney, Why Aren't Your Sons Serving? ***

.......they are Republicans, like their dad.......
.......they are afraid of the don't ask, don't tell rules.....
.......they attended the Bill O'Reilly School of Courage......
.......they admire Rush so much that they are practicing growing pimples on their asses........

Asking Romney why his sons aren't serving only makes sense if you live under the delusion that his sons are automatically for the war just because he is.

What do his grown sons have to do with his position on the war? I personally believe that anyone asking that type of question is being intellectually dishonest. The only other explanation is that the activist is an imbecile.

Posted by Sully at 2007-08-09 11:12 AM | Reply | Flag:


I'm assuming because they are actively campaigning for their father's presidential run, that they support the war. If they support him just because of the blood relation, then there's a whole other issue there. Personally, I wouldn't vote for my father if he ran for president.

I'm actually judging the boys more than I am Romney himself. To me, they represent every spoiled gung ho twenty-something that wants a very aggressive foreign policy but doesn't want to personally make any sacrifices for it. They're the kind of kids who are given absolutely every thing in the world but are willing to make no real sacrifices, even for a war they support.

Though, if in Romney's mind the enemy truly are at our gates, looking to destroy our way of life, how in the world can he compare his boys working for his campaign to the grunts in Iraq?

I believe compulsory civil/military service would do our country a lot of good. We can send the best and brightest into the military and the remainder can be put to work on a modern day equiv. to the CCC.

Another simpler method, would be to employ the draft but to target less-patriotic neighborhoods that send a disproportionately low number of its young men & women into the service. It could also target areas that are generally pro-war too.

I should probably add that I was a recruiter's assistant for the ARNG for about two years when I was in college. Certain people really rub me the wrong way.

I worked right after Sept 11th and for awhile, I think it was actually a fad for people to call us up and ask a bunch of questions, never to be heard from again. I suspect they did it for attention and to impress their girlfriends & family. Our inquiries probably increased 10x but our enlistments stayed the same, if not dropped.

The same people who were joining before Sept. 11th, were the same ones who joined after.

It had nothing to do with his missionary work, you think the gov would excuse him from serving? they just like to throw the M-word when they can to get some news. and the meadows deal wasn't done by the mormon church sarge

"Guess when Dubya was taking time off from the ANG to snort coke, chase skirts...

Posted by townncountry"

The only skirts W was chasing were being worn by his fellow cheerleader buddies.

"I'm assuming because they are actively campaigning for their father's presidential run, that they support the war. If they support him just because of the blood relation, then there's a whole other issue there."

I wouldn't support any pro-war candidate be it Romney, Clinton, McCain, etc. But that doens't mean others can't support a person who's war stance they disagree with..... That's this line of questioning is so dishonest. You can't presume to know someone else's beliefs.

"I believe compulsory civil/military service would do our country a lot of good."

To me, that would be depriving young people the basic liberties this country is supposed to guarantee.

In truth this isn't Mitt's problem. His sons are old enough to make their own decisions. It is hardly proper to fault a man for the choices of his family.

I can hear someone saying "If he taught them right..."

If he did, he taught them how to make their own decisions.

Fault someone for his or her own actions, god knows there is plenty to work with in doing just that.

"Gov. Romney how come your sons aren't serving?"

"Cuz we're rich as hell and a $50,000 bonus doesn't tempt them to go risk their lives fighting in a war to defend Bush's ego."

"I believe compulsory civil/military service would do our country a lot of good."

I totally agree with you but I bet we wouldn't be in this war if that were already the law. The wealthy and powerful would not let their precious kids go to Iraq and get their heads blown off.

"I totally agree with you but I bet we wouldn't be in this war if that were already the law."


Easy to say once you're old enough that you aren't the one being conscripted.

""Easy to say once you're old enough that you aren't the one being conscripted.""

I have a son who is 28. Two daughters, one 30 and one 24. I have a grandson 10.
I don't want them taken away to fight in Iraq but if the country were really threatened I hope they would want to help defend it. At least I would know that the rich and powerful people's kids would be exposed to the same risks. Most likely we would avoid unnecessary wars and the politicians who start them.

Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney on Wednesday defended his five sons' decision not to enlist in the military, saying they're showing their support for the country by "helping me get elected."






This war has been going on for over 4 years. How long has the FLIP-FLOPPING romney been running 4 el presidente ?????

Bill and Hillary didn't serve either. How about Obama?

Posted by Sniper at 2007-08-08 01:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

How about Bush? Oh...wait. He was too coked up to fly......and too much of a coward to fight.

Remember, most men who were cheerleaders in school don't end up being the toughest or bravest........keep up your delusions rightists.

It's a lot easier to support anything your government does with our collective tax money when you aren't the person who has to go out there and do it. Do you support a clean environment? Probably. Do you go out everyday and pick up garbage? Probably not. Does that mean that your position on the environment is incorrect? Or that you are a hypocrite?

Posted by JOE at 2007-08-08 01:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Not sure about where you live, but the "liberals" here do pick up trash. They're prisoners and many of them are minorities...what many of you like to call "niggers"....the ones you like to label as lazy.

Well, they pick up the highways everyday around here.


BTW, your argument is so full of holes.

When picking up trash becomes as dangerous as the fighting in Iraq, you may have a point.

Um, well just the other day he was talking about sending the war over the border into Pakistan. If a Republican were talking of escalating the war on terror to yet another country, you liberals would lose your collective shit especially if that GOPer had never served and had no children in the service either.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-08-08 01:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Robby, you do realize that a republican DID escalate the War to another country....and apparently, for no reason.

"Escalate"....is that the new label?

When did he say anything that made you think he wants to "escalate" the War on Terrrrr??

He simply wants to remove troops from Iraq and send them to where the people ACTUALLY responsible for 911 are hiding?

Are you against finding them?? Bush is!! Remember "dear or alive" became "I'm not interested in him"

Danni, why can't you just be honest... If a Republican who had never served and had no children serving in the military was talking of escalating this war, you would be all over him and anyone who supports him as a "chickenhawk."

Just admit the same thing about Obama...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-08-08 02:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Once again, it was your boy Bush (a republican by the way)who was too chicken shit to fight when called who escalated this war into Iraq. Nobody but Bush.

Don't try and take Bush's glory away from him. The fuckup that is Iraq will be his forever, regardless of who ends up cleaning it up.

Damage control
I pay my kids to prop up my ass while I con people
to spread wealth amongst my family.
Same garbage

There you go again Danni---

They had more in common that you want to admit. You have heard the enemy of my enemy is my friend?

I am not saying there were co-operations, but the group of AQ with OBL and Saddam had plenty in common.


Murphy

Posted by MURPHY at 2007-08-08 10:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who cares what they had in common? Iraq had nothing to to with 9/11 and is not the place to be fighting a war on terrrrrr.



Reporter: "What did Saddam Hussein have to do with the attacks of 9/11?"

President Bush: "Nothing"

Seems like a no-brainer to me, but for you.....

Obama will be the greatest President of the 21st century. And the GOP will never forgive him for it.

Let's just remove politicians and their sons from this argument, and consider the millions of able-bodied young republicans who love this war from their dorm room laptops. These priviledged keyboard warriors could give the breaks these soldiers desperately need.

This system is becoming stressed. National Guard can't even handle situations at home because they're all deployed in Iraq. Unfortunately we have a young, priviledged generation of kids (Liberal and Conservative) who would be crapping down their legs if they had to fight. I am a high school teacher, I see it every day. The whole idea of sense of duty for this country has been warped and mangled, ie Mitt Romney arguing that his sons duty to America is helping him get elected. We must acknowledge this before we consider more wars. You can't fight a war without soldiers.

Those Young Republicans with laptops think you're the enemy, Obamavoter, not anyone in Iraq. They have to stay here in order to deal with you. Many of them actually say this sort of thing, now that saying they have to stay stateside to get that special job on Wall Street brings them critique.

If America is going to fight a war we should have a draft, if America is not willing to allow our kids to be drafted then we should reconsider the need to fight that war. If the young Republicans can't be drafted and put on the front lines along with the kids of the poor then their war obviously isn't necessary.
We all know that if there were a draft before we invaded Iraq, the Republicans would not have supported the invasion of Iraq. They aren't brave and macho when their own kids have to do the fighting.

Danni, are there no poor republicans?

I might be mistaken, but I believe the majority of soldiers that enlist (non officers) are from poor families. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it seems the poor are more patriotic than the rich.

We all know that if there were a draft before we invaded Iraq, the Republicans would not have supported the invasion of Iraq. They aren't brave and macho when their own kids have to do the fighting.

I don't remember hearing about Chelsea or Al Gores son signing up. Nor any of the Kerry kids. All supported the invasion.

THe systems is stressed. I personally know Marines who are being sent back for a 3rd time. Democrats in Congress...like Jim Webb, are fighting to get troops longer breaks. Governors throughout the US, especially in the West where there are fires, are complaining about not having national guardsman at home because they're in Iraq. The Pentagon is trying to get more young men into service with easing restrictions on background checks, as well as increasing the pay. Even some republicans are complaining that the military is being stretched too thin. What store do you get your GOP rose colored glasses from?

What store do you get your GOP rose colored glasses from?
So 10% of force being deployed is different if you have DEM visionary glasses instead of GOP colored glasses? I'm not for anyone going to Iraq. But how does a deployment of 10% of the US forces cause stress on the system? Is the "system" full of administrators like the rest of the goverment bureaucracy? Is this what the "idiot" Rumsfeld was trying to address?

*** Romney, Why Aren't Your Sons Serving? ???? ***

.......they are pricks...........
.......they are Rush Republicans..
.......they emulate the President..
.......they are Turd Blossoms......
.......we can send the poor kids, after all its just for Cheney's oil contracts.........

"*** Romney, Why Aren't Your Sons Serving? ???? ***

.......they are pricks...........
.......they are Rush Republicans..
.......they emulate the President..
.......they are Turd Blossoms......
.......we can send the poor kids, after all its just for Cheney's oil contracts........."

no, skizziks -- they aren't serving because they didn't enlist. Is this too simple of an anwer for you? Sorry that it is -- it's hard to spin it into a contrived conspiracy.

However, how do you know they are pricks? Ever met them?

THey are obviously republican. But how does a Rush republican differ from a "regular" republican? How do you know they are Rush republicans?
How do they emulate the president?
BTW, what is a turd blossom?

Enquiring minds want to know. Shallow minds spout the party line.

What the fuck is a "goatman"?

Is it a sexual preference?


"Enquiring minds want to know"

What the fuck is a "goatman"?
"Is it a sexual preference?"

God people hate the hard questions. Have to resort to something completely irrelevant.

Anyway, yes. It is a sexual preference. Hope I provided some fantasy fodder for you, rosie palmer, and her five sisters tonight.