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Friday, July 27, 2007

Using marijuana seems to increase the chance of becoming psychotic, researchers report in an analysis of past research that reignites the issue of whether pot is dangerous. The new review suggests that even infrequent use could raise the small but real risk of this serious mental illness by 40 percent.

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Man, this sounds like it is right out of Reefer Madness.

I'd like to know how they did this study. How did they figure out that the correlation isn't because people who have such underlying conditions are more likely to be drawn to smoke cannabis?

And the risk to develop schizophrenia is under 1%. So increase that by 40% and now it is a whopping 1.4% chance? BFD!


This is just another study that found a correlation and people will now assume it found causation. It is rediculous that they're actually going to use this study as grounds to increase the penalties. That is just plain stupid.

The voices in my head have told me this isn't true.

We all know how the psychosis risk from pot compares to the lung cancer risk from smoking tobaco.

So if they can rationalize pot's illegality due to a

sorry, got cutoff.

So if they can rationalize pot's illegality due to a sub 1% psychosis risk, how are cigaretts still legal?


"....how are cigaretts still legal?"






www1.istockphoto.com

It would explain much about the Bush administration.

Study: Loco Weed Raises Risk of Mental Illness
...Raises Risk of Acceptance of Dumb-Ass Conspiracy Theories
...Raises Risk of Building Bongs Out of Random Ridiculous Household Objects
...Raises Risk of Consuming Doritos From Under Sofa Cushions
...Raises Likelihood of Lying to Parents, Other Authority
...Raises Risk of A Long Unfruitful Career in Service Industry Jobs, like Night Manager at Taco Bell
...Insures that Children Raised by Said Pot Head Parent Will Dismiss Them As A "Real Dumb Ass"

I'm sure people who drink all the time don't suffer any mental health risks.

I'm sure people who drink all the time don't suffer any mental health risks.

Life causes mental illness. Drugs and alcohol are accellerants.

Kirk,

FF for you. That was funny and I couldn't agree more.

thank you sully, funny how our media and gov brush over the statistics of those killed in drunk driving accidents or suffer from alcoholism.... but they are real quick to point out any 'possible' problem with pot.

and danni, you got a super duper funny flag! hysterical!!

Couldn't it just be that people with a propensity for mental illness are more likely to self-medicate? Correlation doesn't exactly mean causation, but then again it was a government-commissioned study.

they rationalize pot's ilegality because it is the "gateway drug"..... i kinda see the logic, but i often believe that people who end up 'experimenting' with hard drugs, would have gotten there one way or another. pot just always happens to be their first 'experiment' because its so easily attainable.

that and i like bill maher's (yes you libs, i do watch and agree with lots of bill's beliefs) hypothesis: that pot is ilegal because it doesn't stimulate growth. the typical pot head will relax and sit on their couch for the night... thats why they de-criminalized it in colorado- to curb drunk driving. bill talks about how the gov wants to keep capitalism as a driving force, and that cocain, coffee and other stimulants are not so bad because they make people want to do business.

joe, u gotta read the article, 5th paragraph (or 6th) says just that.

This is not news. We have long known that pot can turn on the crazy gene, if you have it. If you don't have it all the pot in the world will not turn it on.

As far as an excuse to regulate it more I supose but more likely the legal weed forces are growing too strong again so there is an iminent need to scare the sheep about weed again.

Why not just make it illegal for anyone under 21? Then you wouldn't have the kids (legally) smoking it, but I could if I choose to and the prison system would finally have enough space for violent offenders.

Spanky stop making sense.

Write 1000 times "I will not use logic in politics".

I love how this article is titled, and then the 4th paragraph is......


"The researchers said they couldn't prove that marijuana use itself increases the risk of psychosis, a category of several disorders with schizophrenia being the most commonly known."

Scientists discover new sub-atomic particle!

"we have not discovered a new sub-atomic particle"

that and i like bill maher's (yes you libs, i do watch and agree with lots of bill's beliefs

YEAH!

Well that's cool ------ now if only Maher was a "lib" you might have made some sense!

guess thats why they call it loco--personally i don't think it is anymore damagin then alot of things we are able to do( tobacco and alcohol)legally
jasman

War on Drugs via Google :
Additionally, in a separate report, the U.S. government reports that the cost of incarcerating drug law offenders was $30.1 billion -- $9.1 billion for police protection, $4.5 billion for legal adjudication, and $11.0 billion for state and federal corrections. In total, roughly $45.5 billion was spent in 2005 for these factors.



Were it not for a helping word of TERMINAL advice from my wife ida died from smoking cigarettes long ago (along with the other +400k deaths in a given year (in the US)).

I wonder if there are more psychotics smoking weed or trying to bust the smokers of weed. Seems to me we could make a pretty good case that being a police officer leads to psychosis.

Those 'voices' in W's head he thought was God telling him to invade Iraq? Rosy scenarios in the face of an actual tragic reality?

I'd venture a guess is was more wetbrain/cocaine induced if he wasn't just out of his mind to begin with.


I wonder if there are more psychotics smoking weed or trying to bust the smokers of weed. Seems to me we could make a pretty good case that being a police officer leads to psychosis.

Posted by danni at 2007-07-27 01:56 PM

In my sincere opinion, all cops are sociopaths.

They take the job for the power trip.

"They take the job for the power trip."

Posted by Roy_Batty



Sure ain't the pay.

Hey Kirk,

Probably about a third or more of the people
I know in grad school in Organic / Physical chemistry are occasional or regular drug users, just because your buds can't handle their sh*t doesn't mean that a lot of other people can't.

gordon brown wants to take britain in a new direction and criminalize possession of cannabis, just the way it was before. so this study shows up at just the perfect time..

"how are cigaretts still legal?" Norm...ever been around anyone trying to throw the nicotine monkey off their backs? About 40 million smokers would be fire bombing their reps homes.
Then you have the DC whoremongers playing with all that tax rev'nu to pay for healthcare for the po. Wouldn't want that to dry up....no sir.

"how are cigaretts(sic) still legal?"

Nicotine really is addictive.




Two of the authors of the study were invited experts on the Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs Cannabis Review in 2005. Several authors reported being paid to attend drug company-sponsored meetings related to marijuana, and one received consulting fees from companies that make antipsychotic medications...

Scientists cannot rule out that pre-existing conditions could have led to both marijuana use and later psychoses, he added.



yeah! another "non-biased" report on the dangers of the EVIL weed.

What a load of horse-pucky! Hmm let's see a report shows up at AP from where? Let me guess the Pharmaceutical Companies!

They hate marijuana with a passion! Can u figure out why? No Profit! No control!

Having said that Marijuana IS a powerful drug. Is it any wonder it would amplify any underlying problems a user might have?

Of course not! That does not mean Marijuana causes any of these things. but, used correctly and with the guidance of a therapist or doctor this drug is safer and more useful than most of the crap being shoved down our throats by the Pharmaceuticals.

I would call the results of the test tainted. Tainted by the expectancy factor of its so-called expert Authors.

Marijuana is safer that cigarettes, coffee, and alcohol, Prozac or any other mind altering substance we use today.

Don't be fooled by this obvious propaganda. For some good background info go to Jack Herer's web page.

www.jackherer.com

Marijauna + caffeine = Great sex.

I don't know why everybody is freaking out over this. It's only a small risk.

Zammit and colleagues from the University of Bristol, Imperial College and Cambridge University examined 35 studies that tracked tens of thousands of people for periods ranging from one year to 27 years to examine the effect of marijuana on mental health.

Hard to argue with that.

Why are pot smokers anti-science?

"....how are cigaretts still legal?"

Posted by HanoverFist at 2007-07-27 10:12 AM | Reply

because liberals are addicted to tobacco taxes

Marijauna + caffeine = Great sex.

You mean....

Where marijuana = "9 inch tongue"

and

Caffeine = "ability to breath through ears"???

hey dib it's like Dennis Leary said in no cure for cancer. . . The problem with pot is not that it leads to other drugs, the problem is it leads to effin' carpentry!

"The problem with pot is not that it leads to other drugs, the problem is it leads to effin' carpentry!"

So Jesus was a pot head?

Well, MoneyWar & I probably will agree on this article's overall premises, though, hyperbole will drive this rather simple premise to an insane level, I'm sure...

Maybe that's why "Pirate in the Carribean 3" has Captain Jack seeing so many of himselves...

"So Jesus was a pot head?"

That might explain his delusions that he was the "son of God".

Kirk,

Ha....

You have to wonder though:
Bohemian Lifestyles

And the corresponding economic activity....

Of course correlation means causation, it is clearly demonstrated in this graph.

Sometimes correlation DOES mean causation, life's crazy like that.

Skepticism is a good thing but too much skepticism and you would have trouble walking out the door in the morning, will gravity keep you on the ground today? Maybe not....

Has marijuana become such a sacred cow among people that it is no longer permissible for medical scientists to point out whether or not certain dangers exist in it's use?


Of course correlation means causation, it is clearly demonstrated in this graph.

Posted by kev3056 at 2007-07-27 06:16 PM |

Gee, I can't decide whether to give this post a FF or NWO! How about both?:>)

you guys are funnnnnnniny. Oops i'm, hey look at that huge tongue

OK, I'll be quite honest about this. I've been around pot since 1968. I've seen the occasional wacko, but it's about that same 1.4% of all people. I've met more assholes than 1.4% of the people I've known.

A great many of the truly awesome people I've known will pass a joint with you gladly. Among their ranks are talented, kind, multifaceted, very together folks. In fact, that's the predominate demographic.

On the other hand, alcohol leaves a swath of devastation. My mom was one, died young. I dropped a friend off at an AA meeting this a.m., and there were cars and truck parked there for blocks, beyond the full lot.

The highway carnage from alcohol is staggering. In the '70s Car & Driver magazine compared three groups of drivers who drank liquor, smoked pot, and a control group that did neither--the pot smokers won the driving test suite, even over the control group. True.

I've read several reports in the past couple of years that discuss findings that pot reduces cancer risk, especially lung cancer. It also alleviates a number of other illnesses, including MS. Tobacco is Mr. Lung Cancer.

Let's look at the real science. And let's consider the empirical evidence of people like myself, who have been around this stuff for decades. Out of all the mood-altering substances out there, this one is, from my many years of observation, the most benign in its damage to people and society. The worst effects produced by pot are long prison terms, asset forfeiture, and various employment limitations.

Those are the facts as I see them, from experience. I believe pot should be restricted from minors, just as booze is. But it's not anything like what liquor and cigs are in terms of damage to us all. Not even close.

Calling it as I see it. I'm not chronic, but I know fine, successful, psychologically healthy, sweet-hearted people who are.

So I see this report as more propaganda from the people who are more interested in what other people do than in running their own lives well.

The constituencies that love this kind of horse hocky are law enforcement types who love to play with their guns, flashing lights, and other toys and enjoy having a victim to hate; the politicians who ride demagoguery to power; and of course the pharmaceutical and alcohol companies. Forty years of observation tells me that a small number of people are wacked anyway. Correlation, not causation.

Just my honest observation. Kids, obey your parents. When you're of age, your life is your own, but remember to honor your folks. If they oppose it at that time, stay under their radar, out of respect.

There's no reason whatsoever to have this stuff illegal when alcohol and cigarettes can be bought on nearly every street corner, coast to coast, in any quantity desired. Don't think young people don't see the hypocrisy. Danger is, they may thing the same hyperbole applies to cocaine, heroin, and gold spray paint.

Legalize.

Correction: "think," not "thing." And "trucks."

"I'd like to know how they did this study. How did they figure out that the correlation isn't because people who have such underlying conditions are more likely to be drawn to smoke cannabis?"

Just like they showed second hand smoke causes lung cancer. Epidemeology is not a perfect science. Much is left to interpretation of data, and unsure levels of accuracy. None of the informatioin is new. It has just been re-interpreted.

So I guess I shouldn'r believe my lying eyes. It's only been, what, 39 years?

I've seen so little damage done by weed. Not none, but very little. Minuscule, in fact, compared with alcohol, cigarettes, Nyquil, driving big rigs for long hours, jackassing, I could go on...

I think back on all the people I've know who died young. Not one instance had the slightest thing to do with getting high. I'm sure it's happened--just not much. Most of the "victims" of pot are simply rotting in jail cells or destitute from asset seizure and huge fines. Or trying to find something else that will help them deal with a serious illness. And just for saying that honestly, I'm supposed to be the bad guy?

Has marijuana become such a sacred cow among people that it is no longer permissible for medical scientists to point out whether or not certain dangers exist in it's use?

Posted by moder8 at 2007-07-27 07:17 PM

Nope! We are just sick of the Hollow Lies!

There are more dangers in the drugs we get from the Pharmaceuticals than Marijuana.

Ever look at the side effects of oh say Prozac?

Prozac is associated with insomnia, restlessness, nausea, and tension headaches, which normally go away within one to two weeks from the time it was first taken. One possible Prozac side effect, which remains for the time it is taken, is its effect on your sex life. It often reduces desire and can delay or interfere with orgasm, in both women and men. Fatigue and memory loss are other possible problems. These side effects subside when you stop taking the drug.

In some people, the effectiveness of Prozac seems to diminish with time. So, if you are experiencing a new symptom that you did not have before starting your course of Prozac, it is probably a Prozac side effect.

* Allergic or Toxic - Rash, Pruritus (skin inflammation)
* Neurological - Headache, Tremor, Dizziness, Asthenia
* Behavioral - Insomnia, Anxiety, Nervousness, Agitation, Abnormal dreams, Drowsiness and fatigue
* Autonomic - Excessive sweating
* Gastrointestinal - Nausea, Disturbances of appetite, Diarrhea
* Respiratory - Bronchitis, Rhinitis (inflammation of the nasal mucous membranes), Yawning
* Endocrine - Weight loss
* Musculoskeletal - Muscle pain, Back pain, Joint pain
* Urogenital - Painful menstruation, Sexual dysfunction, Urinary tract infection, Frequent micturition
* Miscellaneous - Chills



So come on lets get real!

You pick any drug that affects your brain and list its side affects. I dare you to find any that have less side affects than Marijuana.

Why do you think they are searching so desperately to find something, ANYTHING they can use to label Marijuana as EVIL and bad for you?

So they can somehow justify the thousands of lives that have been destroyed by making it illegal and incarcerating tens of thousands of humans unnecessarily.

Get it?

Donner: I think what is going on is a little bit more complex.
In recent years States have enacted medical marijuana laws. The Federal government however still treats marijuana as an illegal substance in all circumstances.
This has now finally resulted over past several years in the medical establishment finally studying the topic. Funds have become available for research over the past several years from both private and public groups that were never available before.
The point of this research is not to determine whether marijuana has more or less side effects than other pharmaceutical drugs. Rather, at this stage, the goal is to scientifically research the effects of cannabis on the human body and honestly report the findings.
If the goal of these studies were to demonize marijuana, it seems that the reported findings would be far more alarming. The fact that the finding sreveal very little risk to large majority of the population indicates that an unbiased attempt is being made by the scientific community to simply disseminate accurate new medical information. Obviously this is a topic in which millions of people are interested. (Heck, just read the passion with which some posters write about the topic on this thread.)

yes, Prozac gets some women horny, too...:>)

Well lets look at the list of famous psychotics thanks to their use of pot.

Al and Tipper Gore
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Bill Clinton
Bill Gates
Bruce Lee
Carl Sagan
Dan Quayle
Dr Francis Crick
Friedrich Nietzsche
George W Bush
George Soros
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
Zachary Taylor
Franklin Pierce
Jesse Ventura
Jesus Christ
John F Kennedy
John Kerry
Mike Bloomberg
Pythagoras
Richard Feynman
Steve Jobs
William Shakespeare

Oh government please save me I would hate to grow up to be a crazy man like Jesse Ventura or Bill Clinton, or a lazy carpenter like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs, and stoners never have good ideas like Francis Crick or Pythagoras. Yep best to just keep us away from that dangerous drug.

Folks Tao forgot:

Tim Leary
Ken Kesey
John Lennon
Robert Mitchum
Miles Davis
Willie Nelson
(Wait, I already mentioned Willie.)
Cheech & Chong
and last but not least
images.dancingmokey.com

Ahh I like the nun

To add a few more.

Newt Gingrich
Bill Bradly
Brad Pitt
Woody Harrelson
William F. Buckley Jr.

of course I think it's a given but

Bob Marley

I keep expecting to see Stephen Hawking seeing as there has been such positive research on pot and ALS but I guess he hasn't read the research yet.

"Ahh I like the nun"

Isn't that a line from the Carmina Burana?

Hawking Can't hold the bong and the lighter at the same time.

Hawking Can't hold the bong and the lighter at the same time.

Thats what vaporizors are made for.

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