About time, dontcha think.

B-b-b-b-b-but, aren't they our friends? Our amigos?

Didn't the Wonder Boy once tell us that his friendship with the Saudis would keep the price of oil low?

Next thing you know Bush will be claiming that the 9-11 hijackers were Saudis.

George W Bush -Drudge Librul?

Maybe this is part of the security plan he and the shia came up with.

At least the Admin. apparently wasn't suckered by the saudi fake documents the way they were by the yellow cheesecake documents (as obviously faked as they were)or by any of Chalabi's fantasies.

next time bush will NOT kiss them on the lips while holding hands he will only kiss themon the cheek and will NOT hold hands with them.

BFF??

Larry

Bush Family Friends?

best friends forever.

AHhhhhhhh thanks I was never part of the hip clique so thanks for that.

Larry

4 years late and half a trillion dollars short, Bush.

But it's a little late to try to turn back on the tough cowboy act. We all know it's fake.

Bush is the jilted lover arguing with his cheating partner , but he'll always go crawling back.
Oil is a boy's best friend.

Bush, Saudis No Longer BFF


YEAH!

Bullshit!

Bush and the Saudis were NEVER BFF's!



They have always owned GW lock, stock and barrel!
They don't fraternize for fun with the hired help around those parts!

YEAH!

But the Carlyle Group is still their number one errand boy!

Does anyone remember those feel good radio spots after 9-11 telling us how the Saudis are our best friend, even though the people who cared out 9-11 were born, raised, educated and sponsored by Saudi Arabia?

Guess who headed that campaign, guess where the money came from?

The Carlyle Group!

And who was it who defended the Saudis in court, and ultimately denied the families profoundly changed by 9-11 from receiving ANY monetary compensation from the fathers and educators of these Saudi Arabian terrorist?

The Carlyle Group!

But they don't do it out of friendship that's for sure! They do it for money!

Countless billions of treasury money has flowed into GOP hands... and we wonder why they want to steal elections ?

Does anyone remember those feel good radio spots after 9-11 telling us how the Saudis are our best friend, even though the people who cared out 9-11 were born, raised, educated and sponsored by Saudi Arabia?


-RED

there is a big difference in being sponsored BY soudi arabia and being sponsered IN saudi arabia.

what country in the world has suffered the most terrorist attacks? you guessed it, SA.

they aren't as bad as you think, nor are they as good as our media/gov portrays them.

they sure as hell don't deserve to have their images of them shaking hands with this admin used ased fodder in a shitty michael more film trying to use the turbon to instil fear in you libs. but it worked. irony was that MM was trying to uncover the fear mongering tactics of the bush admin, then he used images of us shaking hands with saudi royals and put fear in the libs that bush is friends with a towel head! owe my god!

""then he used images of us shaking hands with saudi royals and put fear in the libs that bush is friends with a towel head! owe my god!""

Fear in the libs????
We aren't the ones who think terrorists are under our beds and who are willing to give up all our rights so that Bushco can keep us safe from the boogey man....
No, Fear is a right wing trait.

Danni AMEN wh do You think they are soiling themselves quite readily. I swear the stock in Depends must be skyrocketting.

Larry

Tell Me Bushites do Youuse Baby Powder before You put the Depends on or what??

Larry

Tell Me Bushites do Youuse Baby Powder before You put the Depends on or what??

Before, I tried the powder after and it got all over everything.

Maybe You need to plant Your ass on a towel that way You don't spread that powder all over.

Larry

danni, my point was that not all muslims are terrorists. not all people that wear turbins are evil and out to kill us. that is the image that MM was putting into liberals' heads in that movie. being civil with saudi royals does not mean you are in bed with terrorists. saudi royals have suffered more terrorism than we can even imagine.

there is a big difference in being sponsored BY soudi arabia and being sponsered IN saudi arabia.

what country in the world has suffered the most terrorist attacks? you guessed it, SA.


Posted by Yodar013 at 2007-07-27 11:32 AM | Reply

Really, even more than Iraq?

yes, if you look at muslim extreemist attacks. the attacks in iraq are fueled by sectarian violence and the desire to drive out an occupation. saudi oil fields and palaces suffer countless planned al quaeda attacks.

katie, are you in manhattan? i swear i know a katie berry from nyu.

"" that is the image that MM was putting into liberals' heads in that movie.""

Bull shit.
MM was highlighting the relationship between Bush and the Saudis. He was highlighting that "our allies" chop off people's head for being gay. He never demonized all Muslims nor tried to create a fear of them. I somehow doubt you have even seen the movie.

""saudi royals have suffered more terrorism than we can even imagine.""

And he recognizes that our association with the Saudis has made us a target of those who really want to bring down the royal family. I have said it for a very long time...the "war on terror" is a misnomer, it should be called the Saudi Civil WAr. Bush's good buddies have cost us huge amounts of money and lives and I suspect our invasion of Iraq had much to do with having a base from which we could combat the Saudi Royal families enemies for them. And that is what MM was telling us in Farenheit 911.

They also have created the conditions in Saudi Arabia that breed terrorism.

"""saudi royals have suffered more terrorism than we can even imagine."""

Yodar,

C'mon. The royals are just that: kings of their domain. Unfortunately, their domain far exceeds their geographical borders and they act with quasi total immunity.

Any act of terrorism within SA is far from having any impact or for from putting any type of hurt on the royalty.

danni, i did see the movie, my brainwashed friend dragged me to it. i enjoyed it, great use propaganda. funny too. did you happen to see that fat ass debate sunjay gupta on CNN? funny how he thinks he knows more about health care than a neurosurgeon thats been in the business for decades and is very well respected for his accomplishments. MM is just a fat, egotistical hack. if he only conceded a little bit to sunjay that sunjay has more knowledge in the field, i would have a lot more respect for him.

back to our debate: "He was highlighting that "our allies" chop off people's head for being gay. He never demonized all Muslims nor tried to create a fear of them"

i missed the head chopping point in the movie.... but showing IN SLOW MOTION clips, one after the other, of bush, rice, powel etc shaking hands one after the other with unidentified people wearing turbins doesn't grab at the american citizen's fear of muslims? are you kidding me?

so they chop off the heads of gays, so what? yea its pretty barbaric and ugly, but should we not respect the cultural differences of others? should we not be friends with those who don't accept our impossition of american values onto their culture? what happened to liberals being open and understanding to other cultures?

and we have to be friends with them. they have oil. u say you care most about the lower class in america, and i've explained to you that if the price of oil rises, the lower class will be hit the hardest. yet you seem to dismiss that point. just acknowledge it for me this time please :)


your last point didn't make much sense to me since we are in iraq and giving the power to shiites/iran.

Notice how fast the hypocrisy and spin can fly from the Right as soon as Saudi Arabia is mentioned.

The standard post-9/11 line is that we're at war with Islam for the survival of Western Civilization...
That we have to fight them over there, or the muslim horde will fight us here...
That if we leave Iraq shopping malls in Des Moines will be nuked...
That we have to nuke Iran before they nuke us...
That every country that harbors terrorists is our enemy...

Notice that George Bush isn't a racist against towelheads for starting a worthless diversionary war for oil in Iraq.
Saddam Husein was going to kill us all with his imaginary WMD's.


But mention Saudi Arabia, and suddenly everything changes. The home country of Bin Laden, the country that sponsored 9/11 is our friend and ally, and anyone who wants to punish Saudi Arabia for sponsoring terrorism and killing Americans is a racist, and a fear monger.
Right, of course, how silly of us.

Yodar, maybe you should divest yourself of your Saudi investments, and then maybe your loyalties won't be so conflicted.

oh rezn my man. you are waaaaay behind.

go talk to larry. u two can be bff.

"...Chalabi's fantasies. Posted by northguy3..."

Chalabi? Isn't that a new sandwhich at Jack-In-The-Box?

norm, let me clue you in again since you must have missed it the first time. SA doesn't sponser terrorism. terrorism is sponsered in SA. its not that complicated, come on big boy.

oh oh danni i forgot the best part. you said MM was not fear mongering arabs in the movie..... do you remember when he mentioned the stat about SA holding 4 TRILLION IN US TREASURY BILLS!!!!! oh my god!!!! they could cash in and cripple our economy!! freak out!!!!

..... wait mr. fat ass, china alone has over 14 trillion in US t-bills, do you think we bend over for those fucks? nope.

can u admit to that fear mongering at least? come'on i concede points to you when its due.

After we bomb Iran for meddling in Iraq, we can bomb Saudi Arabia. yea.. right...

The only misson for our troops in Iraq should be securing the borders and let the Iraqis come to terms with each other in what ever manner they see fit!

""just acknowledge it for me this time please :)""

Oh, I will acknowledge that another embargo on oil would hurt the lower classes but it would also harm the investments of the rich, it would end up costing the rich more $$$ than it would the poor. Their investments could have their worth evaporate.
If we acted as a nation not a policeman, we could buy oil from whoever would sell it to us for the best price, They can't drink the stuff, they depend on our $$$. Closing our market to them would be just as harmful to them as their refusing to sell to us would harm our economy.
Thing is, it looks as though the royal familie's days are numbered as the rulers of Saudi Arabia, once again we have aligned ourselves with the probably loser in the long term war and will eventually pay a price for that. By always siding with the status quo power elite we find ourselves on the wrong side of history over and over. It should be remembered that the Mujahadeem in Afghanistan were our friends, we could have maintained that relationship but Bush's close relationship with the Saudi Royals prevented that and even made us the enemy of the radicals.
And MM showing all the Bush administration peoople shaking hands with Arabs was to demonstrate the close relationship between them and the Saudis, not to demonize all Muslims. For crying out loug, all Muslims don't even wear turbans or whatever. Ever seen Abdeenajab?? He wears western dress.

SA doesn't sponser terrorism. terrorism is sponsered in SA.

Even if the Royals aren't funding it directly, they aren't doing anything to stop it. Which in my book, with 3000 dead Americans, is the same thing as sponsoring terrorism.

The bottom line is this. There is FAR, FAR more terrorism being sponsored and conducted in Saudi Arabia under the watch of our dear friends, than there ever was in Iraq under Saddam Husein.

Yet, which nation did we invade?

Answer that question, then see if you can still with a straight face say Bush is fighting the War on Terror.

MM was trying to give you some perspective on 9-11 that wasn't forthcoming from the major news media. The special relationship with Saudi Arabia, where most of the hijackers came from, where the financing came from, where Bin Laden came from needed to be put out there. Look at the whole war on terror, Bush has most Americans convinced that it is all Muslims when it isn't. It was the Wahabi radicals from Saudi ARabia....so he invades Iraq.
Puhleeeez.

"it would end up costing the rich more $$$ than it would the poor. Their investments could have their worth evaporate."

wrong, losing 40% of ur wealth would make a poor person die of famine, a rich person would have to wait one more year for the latest porsche. and their investments are diversified, no evaporations.


"They can't drink the stuff, they depend on our $$$. Closing our market to them would be just as harmful to them as their refusing to sell to us would harm our economy."

wrong again, they care less about their citizens then we do. u know that danni.


of course we were closer to the SA royals than the Mujahadeem in Afghanistan. they were a bunch of goat fuckers in the middle of nowhere that we helped simply for them to fend off the russians. (we should have taken more notes on that war). SA has like the biggest oil supply. kinda important to be in bed with them.

and you and i are making the same MM point, yes he was demonstrating the close relationship, but he was TUGGING like hell on the american's perception of evil muslims in turbins.

and yes i'll back that point, these goat fuckers were able to board our planes with knives and cause devestation. it wasn't they were so advanced or organized, its that we were so blind and oblivious to the world's dangers.... and many of us still are.

It was the Wahabi radicals from Saudi ARabia....so he invades Iraq.

EXACTLY!

Michael Moore showing Bush shaking hands with Saudi Royals wasn't to demonize all muslims, it was to show the world why we didn't invade into Saudi Arabia, the home of the terrorists.

Even if the Royals aren't funding it directly, they aren't doing anything to stop it. Which in my book, with 3000 dead Americans, is the same thing as sponsoring terrorism.


they are they just aren't successful at it.

and as far as ur second point/question, if you've read my posts in the past you would know that i agree with you. we should have invaded SA over iraq..... thats saying we had to invade anyone. we should have just let SOCOM do their thing.

okay and by your own admission, the saudi royals are pitted against the terrorists in SA. so is it a bad thing to be friends with the enemy of our enemy?

and ur right, its a big part of the reason we didn't go invade SA. again, we shouldn't have invaded anyone, just let SOCOM do their job.

The goat fuckers will eventually be in control and it is going to be just like the situation with the burro fucker in Venezuela....we will be their enemy because we sided with the powerful who are in charge now...but not forever.

We wouldn't have any of these problems had we remained unentangled in foreign alliances. I know we cannot turn back now. We're too entrenched in the world economy. But we can heed our founders advice and stop involving ourselves in additional foreign campaigns. Eventually we would relieve ourselves of those entanglements and we can return to governing the U.S. instead of the world.

Thank you Loony.

they sure as hell don't deserve to have their images of them shaking hands with this admin used ased fodder in a shitty michael more film

YEAH!

More of the same!

The "personal responsibility" champion wish's to shield certain select individuals from "personal responsibility".

Of course, everyone has to answer for "the decisions they have made" that has determined their current plight, except in this case, or when it may reflect badly on Bush!

Note how Michael Moore is held to account for using images in the public domain, (which represents a historical account) but not the participants for their actual participation (in this historical account of their collusion)!

okay and by your own admission, the saudi royals are pitted against the terrorists in SA. so is it a bad thing to be friends with the enemy of our enemy?

Because they're only pitted against the terrorists officially.

Unofficially, the Royals are perfectly happy to export terrorism around the world, because every nutjob off killing Americans isn't in SA killing Royals.

They aren't fighting terrorists so much as just deporting them.
Which is why being their "friend" doesn't do jack shit.


thats saying we had to invade anyone. we should have just let SOCOM do their thing.

Agreed. So why do you still support the war in Iraq? Surely you realize by now that we can fight terrorists far more effectively than by babysitting a civil war and having our troops be human IED detectors?

okay but our country wouldn't be nearly as rich and powerful as it is if it weren't for those entangled foreign alliances.


in the 1930s we didn't want to get entangled into another european war fuck-fest..... but had we waited much longer to get involved and the majority of the world may have been under nazi control to this day.

we are simply a customer 'in good standing' with SA. we could cease to be their best customer, but we are too dependent on oil. the radicals simply hate the entire market/capitalism/wealth/ independence/secularism and women's rights that we stand for. they would be our enemy regardless of our friendship with their rulers.

yea red, i don't think its a horrible thing to be friends with saudi royals. sorry.

"They aren't fighting terrorists so much as just deporting them.
Which is why being their "friend" doesn't do jack shit."

good point, however being their friend gets us cheap oil.... and wouldn't they export those bastards regardless of our friendship?

and norm i support the current war in iraq becuase i think it is our duty and responsiblity to restore order in that country since we were the ones that un-did the order. (of the iron fist.)

and norm i support the current war in iraq becuase i think it is our duty and responsiblity to restore order in that country since we were the ones that un-did the order.

Fair enough. But at some point you'll have to realize that Humpty Dumpty ain't going back together again.

""and norm i support the current war in iraq becuase i think it is our duty and responsiblity to restore order in that country since we were the ones that un-did the order.""

Even when it is the Iraqis themselves who are creating the disorder. Why should Americans die in the middle of an Iraqi civil war???

"" they would be our enemy regardless of our friendship with their rulers.""

If they were in control they would want to sell their oil just as the present rulers do. It is a war over who gets to control Saudi ARabia not whether or not Saudi Arabia will export oil.

It is sort of funny in a perverted sort of way when you consider that much of our problem with Al Quaeda began with Bush putting a military base in Saudi Arabia and now his son tries to build bases in Iraq to fight the war in Saudi ARabia where we can't have a base. Bill passed by House yesterday to forbid building permanent bases in Iraq, not much notice by media.

lol norm... great point. hopefully we can get humpdy dumpty to stand on his own with only a little support.

yes danni, iraqis themselves are creating the disorder, but it was us who made the conditions possible for that disorder to take place. we have hope in mankind that people will eventually want peace, free speech, the right vote etc etc.

danni, the royals are capitalists. islamic extremists are not capitalists. if they were in control i doubt much oil would be flowing from that country. they would be too busy chopping off heads.

my sister worked for one of the major international engineering firms in a european city as the american liazon (sp?). she handled the contracts between the company and the US gov. we are building perminant bases all over the ME.

'''Even when it is the Iraqis themselves who are creating the disorder. Why should Americans die in the middle of an Iraqi civil war???''

Cause you caused it for no fucking reason and a pullout would just make things worse in iraq, in the ME and eventually back home.

It sucks but that's the reality your stuck with.

""we are building perminant bases all over the ME.""

That I do believe.

""Cause you caused it for no fucking reason and a pullout would just make things worse in iraq, in the ME and eventually back home.""

But the prime minister and the people have said they want us to leave. They do not want us there. We have no continued obligation to stay.
BTW, movies coming out explaining just how screwed up the Bush/Cheney/Bremer/Rummy management of this mess was/is.

funny how i disagree with panch on many levels, but that one point is the only one where we see eye to eye.

and he is a foreigner guys, he's one smidget of how the rest of the world would feel towards us leaving iraq to wallow into shambles.

later guys, have a good weekend.

Same to ya Yodar.

what country in the world has suffered the most terrorist attacks? you guessed it, SA.

they aren't as bad as you think, nor are they as good as our media/gov portrays them.


Posted by Yodar013 at 2007-07-27 11:32 AM | Reply | Flag:


Israel gets my vote for the country that has suffered the most terrrrrist attacks.

Not as bad as I think? They repeatedly throw rocks at women until they are dead for showing too much skin in public. This is a state sanctioned punishment.

Great! Now that Bush and Prince Bandar are no longer butt buddies then I guess S.A. will go onto the list of those countries we can preemptively attack in pursuit of Terrorists and OIL?

What a wonderful foreign policy we have that we are making lists of countries we might attack!

Another reason to NOT have a standing army as Thomas Jefferson would have preferred. A NAVY? great! an Air Force? awesome!

A Standing army... bad idea! look where it has gotten us. A toy for a Tyrannical President to misuse! We are so far away from our founding principles that we now consider preemptive strikes against foreign countries as an NORMAL thing.

War! Good God ya'll! What is it good for?

and so it goes...

He was highlighting that "our allies" chop off people's head for being gay.

Posted by danni at 2007-07-27 12:19 PM | Reply

Golly, just take your free money from the government each month and don't butt fuck another guy, and your life is OK in Saudi Arabia. Not like the law there is a secret.

That said, Saudi Arabia is the world's biggest shithole. Worse than Texas, Florida, even New Jersey. The air is filled with fleas that you have to learn to inhale and exhale.

When I was there the royal family had private 'clubs' with liquor and forced prostitutes. Mostly women recruited to be housekeepers.

Now, they all go to Dubai for their debauchery.

what country in the world has suffered the most terrorist attacks? you guessed it, SA.

Posted by Yodar013 at 2007-07-27 11:32 AM | Reply |


And it appears your wrong. Every report I can find, including the US 2006 report on terror has listed Iraq and Afghanistan as having the highest incidence of terrorism, and death related to terrorist attacks for 5 years running.

We lost more people on 9/11 than the saudi's have lost in nearly 10 years to terrorists. Israel alone loses more people per year.

Bill passed by House yesterday to forbid building permanent bases in Iraq, not much notice by media.

Posted by danni at 2007-07-27 01:24 PM |


I'd say it's worth reviewing our bases in the Middle east every 50 years...

We're never leaving the middle east nor disengaging the world, regardless which party percieves they are in power.

It's just the way it is. As soon as some of you extreme leftists understand that they won't allow us to disengage the better off we'll all be.

Looks like Chimpy is going to have to let King Abdullah spray his tonsils again to make things right.