If you raise $$ for a candidate or slate of candidates, then under the FEC rules you are a PAC. It will be interesting to see which way this cuts, but my guess is that Kos sets up an official PAC as a seperate entity, links to it, and the dispute goes away.

Wow the RIGHTIES are getting desperate!

Guess they can read the writing on the wall as good as anyone can.

I'm not rooting for this guy to succeed, but it does seem weird that Daily Kos could raise $1.9 million in donations for specific Democratic candidates and not be considered a PAC.

No problem ...as long as we are fair about it... can we calculate the monies raised and the FREE advertising by Rush Limbaugh's Republican Election Machine??


Rush Limbaugh's influence went beyond his ability to bring in vast audiences and big bucks. He is widely believed to have played a role in the 1994 off-year elections, when the Republicans recaptured the House of Representatives. Limbaugh's on-air advocacy was supplemented by numerous personal appearances at Republican fund-raising events. He has also been known to affect legislation. President Bill Clinton's lobby reform bill initial had bipartisan support when he sent it to the House in 1995, but Speaker Newt Gingrich decided at the last moment to oppose it after he faxed his views to Limbaugh, who strongly criticized the plan on the air. The result: Members of Congress received a deluge of phone calls opposing lobbying reform, and the bill's support evaporated.

File a complaint if you think that's wrong.

Just as desparate as those who want to bring back the "Fairness Doctrine". Both sides want to silence the other, rather than stating their case and letting people decide for themselves.

Is THAT where they got bushitter from? He's a sock puppet.....

Must kill the Republicans that Dems are so much more successful raising money on the internet than they are. They can't deal with the fact that individual donors contribute enough to make up for the advantage the REpublicans get pandering to large corporations.

"Just as desparate as those who want to bring back the "Fairness Doctrine". Both sides want to silence the other, rather than stating their case and letting people decide for themselves."

Too bad there's not a "just makes plain sense" flag. You'd get it.

"Must kill the Republicans that Dems are so much more successful raising money on the internet than they are. They can't deal with the fact that individual donors contribute enough to make up for the advantage the REpublicans get pandering to large corporations."

Danni: Can you be honest enough with yourself to say that if the principles in this story were reversed (Rush for Kos, Reps for Dems) that you would feel the exact same way? Would you have posted the same comment, but anti Dems? Look deep in your heart, be completely honest and tell me.

Danni: Look deep in your heart, be completely honest and tell me.

Posted by goatman at 2007-07-24 08:14 PM

Impossible, since that would require a heart in the first place.

GOATMAN, I have no problem being honest. I am grateful for every advantage us Dems have over the Republicans...come on...they have far more corporate support...something has to level the playing field....or tilt it in our favor.

""Impossible, since that would require a heart in the first place.""

How can a "bleeding heart liberal" be accused of not having a heart???

"GOATMAN, I have no problem being honest. I am grateful for every advantage us Dems have over the Republicans...come on...they have far more corporate support...something has to level the playing field....or tilt it in our favor"

Thanks for the reply, but I was looking for an answer. Are you or have you been a politician? That was a politian's answer if there ever was on. Say something about the issue, but don't answer the question.

BTW, it's "we" Dems, not "us"

Again, the question: If the principles in this story were reversed (Rush for Kos, Reps for Dems) that you would feel the exact same way? Would you have posted the same comment, but anti Dems?

Yes or no?

Again, the question: If the principles in this story were reversed (Rush for Kos, Reps for Dems) that you would feel the exact same way? Would you have posted the same comment, but anti Dems?
Yes or no?
Posted by goatman at 2007-07-24 09:15 PM

The Democrats are hardly as corrupt as the Republicans. Why bother spinning this into a "your party, not mine" dialogue? Are you so attached to Republicans that you can't see that they are anti-American scum and especially since 1987?

Democrats had one scandal since BushCo - William Jefferson, and he isn't committing sexual misconduct, privatizing America, purjoring himself or war profiteering. The righties continually criticize Bill Clinton, but nothing they have ever dug up or accused him of compares with the continual Republican/neocon/
compassionate Christian conservative disgraces. Every month is a new homosexual scandal exposed, ties to proprietary contracting, or war profiteering and oil, why would anyone want to associate themselves with them?

How can a "bleeding heart liberal" be accused of not having a heart???

FF.

Be Well.

"The Democrats are hardly as corrupt as the Republicans. Why bother spinning this into a "your party, not mine" dialogue? Are you so attached to Republicans that you can't see that they are anti-American scum and especially since 1987?"

I don't "have" a party. If you MUST label me (gawd, I hate people who think only left or only right. They've no imagination whatsoever.) I guess I'm a Democrat because I've voted for more of them in my life than Reupblicans -- I think. But I can't label myself as either. Attach me to whatever party you want to; I don't care.

I'm not spinning anything. I'm just wondering if a Democrat can be intellectually honest enough to say "this isn't right for either party to do, and yes, I'd be just as indignant if it the tables were turned.

"Democrats had one scandal since BushCo"

I guess that number is accurate if you want to forget about James MacGreevy, Gary Condit, Sandy Berger, Maxine waters, the 1996 party contributions from China, et al. I can't remember any others off the top of my head.

But thanks for reinforcing my point that partisian politics (left or right) put blinders on people and make them believe that they are always right and the other guys are always wrong.

Sorry, dude, but the real world isn't like that as much as you'd like it to be.

You run the same hate machine as the KOS Rcade. You are a hate leech and the mindless bags of hate you feed on are blissfully unaware of their lot in life as feed stock.

You run the same hate machine as the KOS Rcade. You are a hate leech and the mindless bags of hate you feed on are blissfully unaware of their lot in life as feed stock.
Posted by asshammer at 2007-07-25 12:17 AM

Uh, spaketh another rightie without a cause.

"bags of hate" sounds like a fundamentalist door prize.

"Democrats had one scandal since BushCo"

I guess that number is accurate if you want to forget about James MacGreevy, Gary Condit, Sandy Berger, Maxine waters, the 1996 party contributions from China, et al. I can't remember any others off the top of my head.
But thanks for reinforcing my point that partisian politics (left or right) put blinders on people and make them believe that they are always right and the other guys are always wrong.
Sorry, dude, but the real world isn't like that as much as you'd like it to be.
Posted by goatman at 2007-07-24 11:37 PM

James MacGreevy was a Republican in Democrat clothing - like Leiberman was. Giving his boyfriend a position and then stepping down is certainly a little less shocking than Wolfowitz doing the same with World Bank, and then refusing to step down when confronted with the entire board.

Chandra Levy was probably killed by Condits people or his rivals, either way a "dead girl" versus Jeff Gannon sleeping over would be the "live boy".

Sandy Berger stole documents, Dick Cheney had them shredded.

Maxine Waters pushing or slapping a cop isn't quite as "scandalous" as Mark Foley having sex with teenage congressional pages.

Keep apologizing for the righties at all cost, it balances out asshammers pathetic pittle.

"Keep apologizing for the righties at all cost, it balances out asshammers pathetic pittle"

I apologize for no one. Where did you ever see me apologize for anyone.

BTW, re-read your post and tell me who's apologizing for whom!

Why can't you hard core partisians be honest with yourselves? It's no wonder no one take's y'all seriously when you keep saying, "My party is perfect and has never done anything wrong".

BTW, I'd love to hear how you spin Teddy Kennedy's manslaughter of Mary Jo Kopekne.

"Sandy Berger stole documents, Dick Cheney had them shredded"

So if Cheney had not had any shredded, then Sandy Berger's stolen documents would've been a scandal.

and so on with the rest on the list.

So if I get the gist of your post, as long as a Republican did something more scandalous than a Democrat, the Democrat is free and clear.

Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

This hate-filled web site is one Republican's dream come true. When it's all said and done, the Daily Kos is going to be responsible for decimating the Democratic Party.

Republican4ever..In your dreams dumbass!

""I'm just wondering if a Democrat can be intellectually honest enough to say "this isn't right for either party to do, and yes, I'd be just as indignant if it the tables were turned.""

Baloney. When the Republicans give up their connections to the corporations then we can talk about fairness.
Oh, and BL's worry about that Fairness Doctrine, and it silencing right wing talk.....not that anyone is seriously considering bringing it back (that is a right wing talking point these days based on absolutely nothing) but really BL what don't you understand about the word "fairness?"
What you are really concerned about is that if the five major corporations who own the vast majority of radio and TV stations were forced to divest themselves so that we would have a wider spectrum of ownership, and thus political viewpoint represented, the ability of the right to propagandize on every political topic would be matched by the ability of the other side to do the same. Quite honestly, ask yourself, WWHD (what would Hitler do?) about media consolidation??? My bet....nothing....similar to the right of today.

I HAVE ARRIVED>......
DANNI GIRL TALKS ABOUT ME BEFORE I EVEN POST ON A THREAD..

sniff..sniff......I want to thank the academy......

uh danni......let me let you in on something...

from yesterdays paper..

well dammit....cant find it but it gave the name of the Democrat representative who is putting forth the bill to bring back the 'fairness doctrine'....maybe someone can come up with the info before I have to rifle through the garbage to find it....its a lady rep from somewhere...so you arent totally correct when you say there are no plans to bring it back.......

HELL EVEN trent lott said that something had to be done..........putz from miss.

AND....


You run the same hate machine as the KOS Rcade. You are a hate leech and the mindless bags of hate you feed on are blissfully unaware of their lot in life as feed stock.

Posted by asshammer at 2007-07-25 12:17 AM | Reply


no it isnt completely.....there are hate mongering assholes here by the dozens but the site is not anything like kos....I posted there all of three times before all of a sudden I couldnt get through and it was obvious that I was being censored and not by saying crude things are the sort.....last point I made was a quote about abortion being murder in my opinion and could not get on after that.....

and RUSH DOES NOT RAISE MONEY EXCEPT FOR ONCE A YEAR and its a charity that EACH AND EVERY PENNY GOES TO THE CHARITY and its a one day event........so even though he has great influence,.......these are not the same things..........

When it's all said and done, the Daily Kos is going to be responsible for decimating the Democratic Party.
Posted by Republican4ever at 2007-07-25 07:30 AM


YEAH!

And America collectively replies's:

What's a "Daily Kos"?

Methinks GOATMAN is probably a troll. The proof? GOATMAN is the ONLY poster herein who seems not to understand that Daily Kos is a liberal web site. There are no liberal Republican candidates to talk about, only varying degrees of conservative whackjobs. Soi then GOATMAN, how much retainer do you collect from the Republican National Committee? Are you entertaining us for free?

Baloney. When the Republicans give up their connections to the corporations then we can talk about fairness.
err danni?

do you consider george soros a corporate entity and should the dems dump any and all conections with him....i mean he is rich and accordingly must be evil so the dems must dump him...right?

cheka cheka cheka.....CHEKA>...

come on you know that kind of shit AINT ALLOWED.......to throw a liberals rants back in thier face pointing out the same thing going on that they accuse us of..
where in the hell have you been?????????

remember....you cant bring up soros.....THATS DIFFERENT!!!!!!.......yuk yuk...

last word on this subject.......
well maybe.

this site has some of the worst and biggest liberal asshole cocksuckers that you could find in america today, but one thing makes it work.....
we on the right are not censured as to content of what we say and its sort of like some shows that come along now and then......
you hate the host and you hate the show but for some reason you have trouble changing the channel........

and as I have told you, on kos......the only contrary views that are allowed there are should we shoot cheney or hang him............

my moneys on the retort.........


(kum ba ya,baby.....kum ba ya)

you hate the host and you hate the show but for some reason you have trouble changing the channel...

I appreciate that, BLT. Let's spoon.

So if I get the gist of your post, as long as a Republican did something more scandalous than a Democrat, the Democrat is free and clear.
Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.
Posted by goatman at 2007-07-25 02:06 AM

Actually, I was initially fishing for the worst Dem garbage, and that's great that you are informed on Democrat failings. At this moment the Republicans in Senate can stop any bills because the Democrats can't outvote them by 60 which is the rule, regardless majority in House.

If you are honestly pissed about Republicans you should check out C-SPAN Presidential budget voting. Their archive is going to be made available online free shortly. If veterans benefits are important to you, every one of the Republicans should be hung for treason.

rcade......when I said hate the host I certianly didnt mean you in this case.....


I meant to say that I would like to sell something here on site.....a button that you can push for help on some text to someone else that says......
Im on the retort and I cant get off!!!!!!!

that sort of thing.......

i mean he is rich and accordingly must be evil so the dems must dump him...right?
Posted by cheka at 2007-07-25 09:25 AM
YEAH!

Except it was only the windings who called him "evil" in the first place!


"and as I have told you, on kos......the only contrary views that are allowed there are should we shoot cheney or hang him............"

YEAH!

What, have you never been to Hannity.com, townhall or the freerepug? Talk about restricting contrary views!

If this site was their equivalent ---- you wouldn't even be able to log in!

BTW, I'd love to hear how you spin Teddy Kennedy's manslaughter of Mary Jo Kopekne.
Posted by goatman at 2007-07-25 01:46 AM

Sorry, I missed that. O.J. did it, Tedward too. My opinion is to replace all of the Congress and Senate, televise all activities (especially SCOTUS for posterity at least) and enforce C-SPAN Washington Journal to be shown and discussed in all schools, if not create a scholastic version with call-in's and opinion polls.

rcade......when I said hate the host I certianly didnt mean you in this case...

I know. I just thought your comment was funny.

It's fun to see Republicans kvetch about Daily Kos. I used to wish the Dems had something that made the Repubs as angry as Rush Limbaugh did us. Now we do.

Goatman was right.. It is sickening to watch people revert to partisanship and defend wrongdoing. It doesn't matter who does it, its wrong and shouldn't be justified..

People like Danni make me sick because they can't acknowledge fault on their own side..

For the record, I am on neither of these sides. Just tired of political corruption in general.

People like Danni make me sick too.

I used to wish the Dems had something that made the Repubs as angry as Rush Limbaugh did us. Now we do.

Posted by rcade


Really? You think its an equal level of anger? DKos is an amazing success for Libs but I don't see, "You're just a parrot of DKos" here as much as I see, "You're just repeating whatever Rush tells you." You'll know its an equal level of anger when a liberal can't say anything without being replied to, "If I want your opinion I'll just ask Kos for it."

Hey Rob, it might be fun to team up over at DKos on a few threads. Maybe we could push some of them over the edge. But, then we'll have to come back to our beloved rcade.....loyalty and all, dontcha know!

Hey Rob, it might be fun to team up over at DKos on a few threads.

I'm not a big fan of the format of Kos' site. The reason this place is so enjoyable is because of the format IMO.

Also I have a little pet project here now of finding out who 12Madison08021 is. I'm pretty sure I know, but I need confirmation... then the real fun can begin here.

Can't wait!!! Need help with confirmation just holler.

P.S. I just looked at Kos too....don't see much in format that I like either. I must admit, RCade has it "right". Hehe.

I must admit, RCade has it "right". Hehe.

Posted by ride_on


Well played lol

Baloney. When the Republicans give up their connections to the corporations then we can talk about fairness.
err danni?

do you consider george soros a corporate entity and should the dems dump any and all conections with him....i mean he is rich and accordingly must be evil so the dems must dump him...right?

Posted by cheka
oooooooooooh another bullseye

the only reply is by redneck and well we all know what thats worth

come on dems you spout against rich repubs yet cuddle up to soros

talk about hypocrites

i think both parties are basically the same controlled by the rich

yet the dems seem to think they the party of the poor with edwards and his hundred dollar haircuts gore with his mansion that uses more energy in one month than a normal family uses in a year ted kennedy who doesnt want a wind farm next to his estate yet gripes about oil prices?....come on

You'll know its an equal level of anger when a liberal can't say anything without being replied to, "If I want your opinion I'll just ask Kos for it."

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-07-25 11:55 AM


give it time A-hole --Rush didn't create his legions of Dittoheads overnite..it took years of constant yammering and distortions of the truth to suck the brains out of these zombies....One thing the Kos does not have is the Cult of Personality. The dark side is very strong in Rush...

it takes time for the Truth to win out...

for example....there was a time when I was younger and more naive that I almost fell for that crap that came out of his pig ass... until I started looking up the garbage he was spewing and doing a little fact checking and started thinking for myself.

the only reply is by redneck and well we all know what thats worth

come on dems you spout against rich repubs
yet cuddle up to soros...

Posted by cheka at 2007-07-25 12:44 PM

ooooooooh! Are you pissed that the Democrats seem to be getting their message heard over the Outrageous Lies and Distortions of your Party Apparatus?

poor baby!

cheka-sometimes you have to fight fire with fire...

Standing around and holding signs and writing letters to your Congressmen is nothing against the big money and lobbyists and PACs arrayed against the People....

Trying to just speak the truth did not seem to be working.

The right has resorted to cheap propaganda techniques and vast expendatures of MONEY to distort the truth..

(Swiftboating is now a part of our cultural language)

The right even uses faith as a weapon...

It take more then signs and posters it takes Big Money and Propaganda warfare to fight Big Money and Propaganda warfare.


So to counteract that the Democrats are learning to fight Fire with Fire...

Is that good or bad...for you to decide but Rethuglicans are great believers in the means justifying the ends aren't you?

We need to win the Hearts and Minds here so we don't have to Win the Hearts and Minds there...

enjoy the means your party Apparatik has helped to create...

Republican4ever..In your dreams dumbass!

Posted by comedian at 2007-07-25 08:15 AM

Comedian, if that was supposed to be a joke, then it wasn't very funny. Why don't you try using a some civility. Plus, namecalling always belittles your argument. It tends to make you look as though you're attacking the messenger. But, since you apparently love the Daily Kos, your hateful language is par for the course.

you hate the host and you hate the show but for some reason you have trouble changing the channel...

I appreciate that, BLT. Let's spoon.

Posted by rcade at 2007-07-25 10:00 AM

After I got over the creepy mental image of Rogers and BLT cuddling, I couldn't stop cracking up.

Big FF for rcade.

Big FF for rcade.

Posted by Rightocenter at 2007-07-25 02:32

brown noser!


It was a bit shmarmy if you ask me..

""I'm just wondering if a Democrat can be intellectually honest enough to say "this isn't right for either party to do, and yes, I'd be just as indignant if it the tables were turned.""

"Baloney. When the Republicans give up their connections to the corporations then we can talk about fairness."

Two responses to this question, zero answers. Proof that blind partisianship really messses up people's minds.

"GOATMAN is the ONLY poster herein who seems not to understand that Daily Kos is a liberal web site"

WHere'd you come up with that?

"My opinion is to replace all of the Congress and Senate, "

Finally something sensible from you. But don't forget the executive branch, too.

I say turn it back to the original methods used in the Constitution, except with term limits on the House. For any that aren't familiar... At one time only the House of Representatives were elected officials. Senators were chosen by the State Legislatures to make them a check and balance against the popularly elected House. Also I would love to see the House have as many members as it should have (until they froze the number at 435). Originally it was 1 for ever 30,000 people.

I think the freezing of the number of Representatives only serves the two main parties by making it easier for them to keep absolute power. Making Senator's popularly elected ensures that the parties have less problems getting their agenda's through.

I would love to see a two term limit imposed on Congress at any rate.

"Also I would love to see the House have as many members as it should have (until they froze the number at 435). Originally it was 1 for ever 30,000 people."

43,500 members of congress! Wouldn't work.

"If I want your opinion I'll just ask Kos for it."

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-07-25 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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nice going rob....I am putting this phrase into action as soon as it arises....

The only limits that should be placed upon campaign financing is that the sources need to be disclosed. Other than that, zero. If George Soros wants to give $10 million to a candidate, he should be allowed to with no questions asked, no limitations whatsoever. Ditto for a website set up, even for the express purpose of getting one side or the other elected.

Hopefully the courts take the case, and use it to strike down the silly rules Congress writes to further entrench incumbents, and shield challengers from the funds they need to compete effectively.

KOS is a "liberal" website? I certainly hope not as it seems to contain the rants of people who before the asylums for protecting them were closed, would have found a home in Bedlam.

Ah, McCain-Feingold, and other attempts to limit public discourse seem to be an exercise in inanity, and certainly with unintended consequences.

Mr. Soros should not be prevented from supporting his views, and Oprah should be allowed to also wholeheartedly support Mr. Barak Hussein Obama, a member of her black separatist church. After all as a black separatist, she apparently wants to be "separated" from the source of the $260,000,000 she purportedly made last year, and will support a fellow black separatist as a candidate, possibly to effect this goal.

These "rich Democrats" are the ones whose largesse is being inhibited by limitations on contributions.

After the firings of respected prosecutors at DOJ for refusing to go after liberals, it is difficult to have faith that any Executive Branch directed prosecution is not mere slimy politics. Not while GWB is in the WH at least.

Must kill the Republicans that Dems are so much more successful raising money on the internet than they are. They can't deal with the fact that individual donors contribute enough to make up for the advantage the REpublicans get pandering to large corporations.
Funny Flag and Idiot Flag.

Yeah don't want those "large" corporations to be successful. Screw them and those they employ.

Senators were chosen by the State Legislatures to make them a check and balance against the popularly elected House.
You are correct. The original intent was for Senators to represent the state governments in Wash. By making the Senators election based on a popular vote the culture of corruption was firmly established. One has to think the biggest fear of the framers of the constitution has occurred. That being the representatives use of their ability to redistribute personal property through the buying/selling of votes in order to hold on to power.