Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Thursday, July 19, 2007

Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) said that the Senate would not vote on several other war-related proposals until Republicans dropped their filibuster, calling the tactic "a new math that was developed by the Republicans to protect the president."

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WHY continue to RE-Authorize the Fake False WAR by giving ANY MONEY to Dumbya..!??

The original authorization was to remove Saddam - Not to POLICE a 1400 year old Civil War and cost Americans their LIVES and $TRILLIONS for BUSH's DELUSIONAL FANTASIES..!?

Was a heckuva lot BETTER for America and WAY LESS COSTLY when We had a PRESIDENT who's Fantasies involved One Voluptuous INTERN!!

Great idea Harry. That should help your Senate Majority Leader poll ratings.

Wouldn't want to push too hard. It isn't as if anyone is going to die if you let Bush do what he wants... Oh wait.

I got a couple of really good laughs as I took some laps with the tv remote......

you should have heard all of the whining and crying from dems about the big bad republicans filibustering on this issue.
was it THAT LONG AGO when the dems were holding allnighters in order to block all work in the senate when it came to republican judges and the one quote from reid was........."circus"......
this may be the worst sign of selective rage on record.

after the last election one thing we heard from the libs here was...okay now .....all these past times we heard the right say one thing and we have been saying....carefull what you wish for, you just might get it...
well we didnt realize that it would be the left doing the bitching right now...

isnt irony wonderfull

circus comment was, of course, uttered when republican majority did even less than what this knucklehead is doing.

Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) said that the Senate would not vote on several other war-related proposals until Republicans dropped their filibuster,

In other words, we look like idiots and are getting killed in the polls (Congressis at 14%) so we can't afford to continue to suffer defeat after defeat on this issue.

"isnt irony wonderfull"

Tell me BL2 that you are still unjaded enough to see the irony on both sides.

After all, it was the Repubs who were wailing about Dem obstructionism and misuse of the filibuster, and threatening the "nuclear" option to get their way just a few short months ago.

wisgod

dont matter what he does as long as he is against the war. no matter what the poles say about democratic congress the Rs will always be pegged as starting this war
come 08 the hawks will continue to get voted out of office

absolutely sa....I understand that completely and agree with you totally.....but remember we were told that a deocratic congress would be different and they were right......
has any other congress had such a low number in the poll? that IS different.

"In other words, we look like idiots and are getting killed in the polls (Congressis at 14%) so we can't afford to continue to suffer defeat after defeat on this issue."

And yet the polls also indicate that significantly more voters say they would vote Democrat over Republican for Congress so I don't think it is particularly good news for Repubs. I don't know for a fact, but my opinion is that voters may see that Repubs are standing in the way of Congress doing was 64% of the American people want them to do.

That being said, I think the Dems have been way too timid and PC about the whole thing.

Dare I say that SADDAM's RULE was actually a GOOD Thing for America - which is why U.S. gave him Weapons in the 80s and He was a Friend helping US to keep watch on IRAN!

Unlike plan-less Dumbya, beyond Shoot and Kill everyone, At least SADDAM was able to HOLD the BORDERS and KEEP AL Quaeda OUT of IRAQ!!

After 1400 Years of Civil War, a Dictator was needed to restore RULE.

Now DUMBYA provided his BIN LADENs with a HAVEN and Training Ground to practice killing Americans!!

IRONY is that We need ANOTHER DICTATOR there to RULE IRAQ and those People again - Can We send DUMBYA after He is ousted next Year..!??

DOEM: There is a big difference between being against the war, and being against the President. He should have stuck to the September commitment, and maybe he wouldn't look like such a fool in July.

and is this irony? I think that one reason for the low number is repubs have been way too timid and PC about the whole thing..
hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm interesting

actually I really think that repubs screwed up when they had seen for 40 years how the dems used thier majority and didnt do the same kinds of things with that majority and now that we have seen several years of how dems used thier minority to do things, the repubs havent done things those ways either.....
does that charge make sense.....and no its not an endorsement of anything democrats have done, only thier methods of getting it done........my republican party needs to look across the aisle sometimes.

"you should have heard all of the whining and crying from dems about the big bad republicans filibustering on this issue."

You are going to here alot more republicans crying in 08 when they are out of a job. The american people understand the simple math behind why we can not end this war and while it may take another election in which the Democratics win the American people will get their way and this war will end. Of course it may end up killing the Republican party if they are not careful

dirty......uh...bush wont be 'ousted' at anytime........

wisgod......they cant wait for september.....the puppeteers at moveon have been jerking that string about getting out now.......and that money flow could be as slow as the blood in my old and crusty arteries real soon......

and oh yeah........its all about the next election and putting as much negative as they possibly can........keep those poll numbers down down down and they do that with only negative.......

wisgod

these are all good political moves, there is is a perception that congress is unwilling to move against the war and the public is furious over it. this has been shown in poll after poll. Reid is being guided by the polls, that is why he is pushing this issue so quickly.
in essence it is a a true democractic action because nobody, and i mean nobody, is saying that the american public is not, through public opinion, demanding action right now.

doem....I think you shouldnt hold it to just war issues.......the public would like to see almost anything really done and not to our detriment like the immigration issue either,,
for instance is it true that the only thing this new congress has done is to give a raise to minimum wage and THEMSELVES A PAYRAISE?
seems to me like that is it........

and then they stay up all night on an issue with AN ALREADY DECIDED OUTCOME....

and anyone wonders why the polls numbers on this congress are lower than ever?

and also, the public is more informed than ever before....that too is a part of it, I think

Bush Licker,

Yes - BUSH may not be "ousted" or Impeached, although EXTREMELY DESERVED , because DEMS value our Govt and Americans way more than to SHUT DOWN the GOVT for 1 YEAR over a consensual BJ.

MORON!!

Doem:
Or could it be that Harry senses a change comimg from Bush regarding the war, and wants to beat him to the punch? If Bush decides after the September report, that it's time to start pulling out, what would Harry have left?

how can one issue(war in iraq)make fools out of all concerned (dems and reps)-cause they hate each other more than they love america-whats best for us is bein put on hold by both parties-we need to both win and get out-thats the horns of the delima-one without the other is a loss
jasman

Bush Licker,

WHO Said the LOW Congress Approval is directed at DEMS..!??

Reality is that the remaining long-termed REPUBS continue to try to SUCK BUSH ASS and beg for MORE TIME and MONEY..!!

So SICK hearing "We need more TIME" when the REPUBTARDS Rubber Stamped EVERY SINGLE BUSH FANTASY for 5 YEARS and HANDED HIM American MONEY and LIVES on a SILVER-Spooner PLATTER!!!!

Solution to the filibuster issue:

Require any proposed filibuster actually be carried out, and require it be carried out naked.

Trust me: no one would ever filibuster again unless it was something they REALLY believed in.

Why not respond to the Fillibuster with:

OK, You don't want to END Debate - LET's KEEP GOING for Days, Weeks, MONTHS Non-Stop and All-Nighters until you DO WANT to END DEBATE...!??

I think someone needs to kick 'Dirtyrightboy' in his vagina.

dirty,,,,,we had a pretty civil conversation going here...thanks for blowing it.....and speaking of blowing it....go find something to suck on......
like a big candy sucker or something that people of your age group do.......


since this is where people are before I go and watch the british open first round.

this is for you ron paul supporters...
I will not vote for him but my admiration grows....

at a ceremony here for people who he helped finnaly get medals from ww2 and korea he spoke for a extended period of time and when asked AFTERWARD......why he didnt say anything about the campaign during the speach....he said and I quote....."I didnt feel it was the appropriate time"
I like that.........

If Bush decides after the September report, that it's time to start pulling out, what would Harry have left?

I don't know what the report is going to say --but it is pretty clear now that we are not just embroiled in the middle of a civil war in Iraq but are in fact fighting al-quaeda and a proxy war with Iran.

Democrats have yet to make a good argument as to how America will be safer by suffering a major defeat to al-quada and Iran that a premature withdrawl would bring.

Destroying AMERICA and pushing his TAX DEBT and MONEY to his PALS and CRONIES to our KIDS to PAY is NOT A CIVIL MATTER!

That is WAAAAAAAY more Serious than a BJ!

""In other words, we look like idiots and are getting killed in the polls (Congressis at 14%) so we can't afford to continue to suffer defeat after defeat on this issue.""

That isn't it at all. Several Republicans have proposals that politely ask Bush to reconsider his strategy, totally a toothless, meaningless effort to try and cover their asses without standing up to the president...Reid is just telling them no, they can't even get a vote on their meaningless proposal.
Anti-war groups applaud his refusal to allow their pretend attempt to change policy.

BL2,

I was, until about '03, a registered Republican (yes, it is possible for social liberal to be a Republican) I left after the debacle that is the Bush admin became clear to me, and I swore to myself I would never support that party again.

Ron Paul winning the candidacy would make me rethink that.

WHO Said the LOW Congress Approval is directed at DEMS..!??

Reality is that the remaining long-termed REPUBS continue to try to SUCK BUSH ASS and beg for MORE TIME and MONEY..!!

So SICK hearing "We need more TIME" when the REPUBTARDS Rubber Stamped EVERY SINGLE BUSH FANTASY for 5 YEARS and HANDED HIM American MONEY and LIVES on a SILVER-Spooner PLATTER!!!!


if you read my post and thought that I said it was all dems, you are mistaken
HOWEVER again......its the dems who said that they would make things go...something about the first 100 days

nonone is asking for more time......september has been a target date all along....its the dems who want to shorten the time........george soros must not be patient these days.....

but thanks for contributing.....you have certainly prolonged the view we have of liberals..........putz!

and so to make it clear and easy for even someone like you.

repubs are marjority and dems block
dems scream and holler and whine

dems are majority and repubs block
repubs dont scream and whine......well okay maybe a little.......

and the rest of us get nothing in return....social security, medicare, education, tax cuts.......all put aside while they debate an issue that has already been decided........they are both at fault....does that make you feel better?>

rev.....he still isnt reaganeske enough for me but I felt like I should post that information since it was probably just a local story in the houston chronicle...but here is a politicain running for president who can use all the press he can get......and FREE PRESS AT THAT......

and he says nothing because he doesnt think its appropriate.......not many of them would have kept from 'preaching' and maybe he got really good press anyway....

You Republicans must be Morally Bankrupt. First You bitch about the Democrats Filibustering back when the Republicans had the Majority. Now that the Democrats have the Majority it's peachy keen for Your Republicans to filibuster and not a God Damned word out of any of You. Whyam I NOT Surprised.


Larry

BL2,

Actually, the very fact that he ISN'T "Reagan-esque" is a big selling point to me.

I found Reagan to be a bit of a grifter on things. Granted, most politicians are, but Reagan (perhaps due to his background as an actor?) was a bit more than I'm comfortable with.

Paul seems, to me, to be a REAL straight-shooter. Yes, he has some ideas I think are a little on the nutty side, but in general, I think he's probably the best candidate the Repubs have, and if they put him up as the candidate, may be the best one they've put up in at LEAST 50 years.

I don't know what the report is going to say --but it is pretty clear now that we are not just embroiled in the middle of a civil war in Iraq but are in fact fighting al-quaeda and a proxy war with Iran.
Democrats have yet to make a good argument as to how America will be safer by suffering a major defeat to al-quada and Iran that a premature withdrawl would bring.

Posted by Bowa at 2007-07-19 10:40 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

till spewing the regurgitated Right Winged talking ponts I see huh LOKISFUR.Iraq Was lost the very second it started. You guys on the right need to Man up and admit that. Bunch of god damned shit LOKISFUR and You know it.

Larry

bowa....many dems dont give a flying shit about our security when its a chance to blast bush.....havent you seen that many times....


heard last night on charlie rose some good info about our enemy......good meaning interesting..

there are terrorist camps in parts of pakistan who just had graduation with speakers from the taliban.....can you believe that......they are also supposed to be sending cells to 4 different coutries.....this info comes from abc news people as well as writers from times and post...so it has to be true, dont you know.......

what bush shoud do RIGHT NOW is authorize stretigic and surgical strikes on this area....RIGHT NOW...and unfortunately civilian deaths be damned......IF we are serious about the war on terror, this should happen before the weekend is up to send a message...

what bush shoud do RIGHT NOW is authorize stretigic and surgical strikes on this area....RIGHT NOW...and unfortunately civilian deaths be damned......IF we are serious about the war on terror, this should happen before the weekend is up to send a message..

Actually, Obama is advocating the same thing.

these "congressional ratings are 2% !!!" comments are kind of curious... seeing that roughly 49% of congress and the senate is republican. And I bet when people are asked about THEIR senator or congressman the numbers go way up...

reid and pelosi probably don't give a shit that the numbers are low right now, there's still 15 months until the elections and frankly they can only go up at this point... and it doesn't really matter if they don't because people are not seeing republicans as saviours to the low numbers.. actually voters probably look even worse upon them.

Your Republicans to filibuster and not a God Damned word out of any of You. Whyam I NOT Surprised.


Larry

Posted by LarryMohr at 2007-07-19 10


GOD DAMMIT LARRY AND OTHERS....cant you fuckin read?

what the fuck do you mean.....not one word...

lets take a poll...how many righties here on RIGHT NOW......are with me.....that the dems are getting thier own medicine thrown right down thier throats.....and the fact that they have to do that proves that congress ISNT DOING SHIT about anything......EITHER SIDE OF THE AISLE...that is not a PARTISAN SHOT......because of blocking issues they DO NOTHING......and you could say that when repubs were in charge JUST AS MUCH AS NOW when dems are in charge......

Bush Licker,

Yes - Terrorist Camps and Al Quaeda Recruitment INCREASE every Year!

Terrorist Acts INCREASED 7 Fold since Dumbya invaded!

American Academy Officers at ALL TIME Defection rate because REPUBS refused the Webb Amendment for a 1 to 1 Back Home Policy with your Wife and Kids for our Soldiers and refuse to PROTECT them!
The Norm before DUMBYA liars was 2 to 1 back at Home..!!


So - Thanks to your MESSIAH - TERRORISTS grow STRONGER EACH year, AMERICAN Defense gets Weaker EACH year and you MORONS want MORE TIME to CONTINUE THIS TREND and "STAY the COURSE"..!?

Talk about a TON of BRICKS hitting you in the Head and you REPUTARDS still DO NOT GET IT REPUBTARDS..!?????


DEMS WANT to RE-DEPLOY TROOPS to FIGHT ACTUAL TERRORISTS and NOT a 1400 Year old CIVIL WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





I agree BL2, Same shit, different majority.

meant to add to poll........I think that two things are happening.

1)dems are getting thier own medicine
2) while they are getting what they deserve....THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARENT>...and repubs are as responsible for that as dems are.......(care to read that LAST LINE AGAIN)....get in there and do something about something besides your own salary...
and politics be damned........

OF Course You REPUTARDS Cannot READ because DUMBYA's Response to "INCREASED TERRORISM and BAD NEWS REPORTS" each annual was NOT to FIX IT - That would be LOGICAL and requires a clear thinking ADULT like a DEM!

DUMBYA Response: ELIMINATE the REPORT!!!! - FACT!

GET IT!?!???!?!?!?!?!?!?!

REPUBTard Blind Sheeple Morons are helping Dumbya to Kill AMERICA and HANDED him the GUNS!

dirty.....I wonder if anyone ever said or even thought that when we went in to fight this war on terror that these terrorist who DEFEATED THE ENTIRE RUSSIAN MILITARY....were going to just give up and go back to goat herding.......we knew they would replace each leader as we captured or killed them and we knew that they would grow as thier very existence was being challenged and weakened.....and we also knew that as we weakened them they would find ways to regain that strength....especailly with a left wing media and politicians in america being on thier side of issues more than the us....

this is to be expected and has not been denied ever......and cheney comments abou iraq arent the same issue......

must go.....have a good one all.......

No BLT The Republicans are ;loking more like asses every God damned day. They screamed when Democrats were doing it but now that they are doing it's AOKAY Rotten to the very core,

Larry

Bush Sucker -

RUMSFEEL: "The Mission could take 6 days or 6 weeks, at most 6 months to accomplish"

CHAINEY: " Greeted with Candy and Roses as Liberators, Insurgents in LAST THROOES..."

Apparently your Never-Military-Serving WARTHogs convinved YOU that Al Quaeda would return to Goat Herding!??

That is why they are NOT FIGHTING them where they ARE but continue to make PROFIT by being in the CROSSFire of a 1400 year old CIVIL War!!!

Amazing that Repubs can be so convinced of ILLOGICAL BUSHIT from REPUBS but take a BLIND ear to LOGIC and FACTS from Folks like Us..!??

Would it help you to swallow actual TRUTH if I told you that I also am an Old FAT RICH White WartHog like CHAINEY and LIMPBONG...!???

An even bigger majority, 83 percent, say the Democratic-controlled Congress is doing only a fair or poor job -- the worst mark for Congress in a Zogby poll.

All poilticians care about is lobby money and getting re-elected

Larry,

I for one did bitch about the Democrate using the filabuster on President Bush's Judge nominations. I still dont agree with it but what goes around come around and now the Democrats are stuck at the dead end. The filabuster is a Democrat tool and they hate the fact that it is being used against them

"All poilticians(sic) care about is lobby money and getting re-elected"

Posted by geehowdyfrommo





All politicians care about is getting re-elected.

There, fixed.

So glad that all you righties are laughing while our troops are dying! MORAL BANKRUPT FUCKTARDS!!!!!!!!!

DirtyRightBoy,

I get a feeling that you were someone else in a former life. Who might that be?

Please let us know who you used to be.

Would it help you to swallow actual TRUTH if I told you that I also am an Old FAT RICH White WartHog like CHAINEY and LIMPBONG...!???





No. nobody cares asshole.

DirtyRightBoy is back...again? Crap.

DirtyRightBoy is back...again? Crap.

Posted by Lee_Atwater

Amen!

""An even bigger majority, 83 percent, say the Democratic-controlled Congress is doing only a fair or poor job -- the worst mark for Congress in a Zogby poll.""

Only problem is that it isn't a Democratic-controlled Congress. We have a slight majority in the Senate which is exactly why we can't control it.
More accurately, it would have to be called the Democratic leaning Congress.
If it were a Democratic controlled Congress the president wouldn't be able to continue his stupid war which the REpublicans are too cowardly to do anything about.

Pull our troops out now.

Mission 1: End Saddam's Regime
Outcome: U.S. Military brilliantly executes "shock and awe." Sadam's regime is quickly removed.

Mission 2: Install a new "western style" democratic government.
Outcome: Iraqi's voted in large number for executive and legislative branches. Iraqi's create and approve a constitution. Modelled after the U.S., the Iraqi legislature is good at forming committees (one of the recent benchmarks), good at not getting anything done and good at putting party agendas above the good of the country. Modelled after the U.S., the Iraqi legislature goes on "summer break" in August, leaving many critical issues for "later." Modelled after the U.S., the Iraqi executive does not have the support of the people, is incompetent, and is unable to lead his country.

Mission 3: Security
Outcome: Hit or miss.

I say, 2 out of 3 is pretty good. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!

Only problem is that it isn't a Democratic-controlled Congress. We have a slight majority in the Senate which is exactly why we can't control it.


When the Republicans had a slight majority in the Senate, they accomplished whatever they wanted and the Democrats couldn't stop them.

So it appears the Dems can't do anything when they have a majority and can't stop anything when they don't. I think that's called incompetence.

""When the Republicans had a slight majority in the Senate, they accomplished whatever they wanted and the Democrats couldn't stop them.""

Er...not according to "The Conservative Voice"

So what? The Republican majority was useless, incapable, incompetent and impotent to do what is important and vital.

Failed to maintain national sovereignty close the border and enforce the law
Failed to make the tax cuts permanent and continue cutting taxes
Failed to get all judges an up or down vote
Failed to cut spending
Failed to expand energy supplies new drilling in Alaska and the oceans
Failed to reform Medicare/Medicaid, but expanded a drug entitlement
Failed to privatize Social Security, but spent the Social Security surplus

www.theconservativevoice.com

There you go Danni, put some more spin on it but the facts are that it is a Democratic controlled Congress and the lowest approval rating in history.

If the Congress is less popular than the Prez, it is only because they haven't gotten us out of Iraq.

And since they don't have the votes to do that, it only shows how unpopular the Prez' "policy" really is.



Another day, another troll off his meds.

Nuthin' new in the world, eh?

Try retorting a fact instead of ranting, duffuss.

And get yet another name here instead of mocking one of our Members.

Then we can discuss more of your inadequacies, eh?

""There you go Danni, put some more spin on it but the facts are that it is a Democratic controlled Congress and the lowest approval rating in history.""

Hmmmm....maybe they ought to do what the people want.....impeach. Then watch them poll numbers. Is that what you want???

Hmmmm....maybe they ought to do what the people want.....impeach. Then watch them poll numbers. Is that what you want???


Posted by danni

Considering their batting average, it doesn't scare me in the least. And with all the solid facts they've gathered in the last 6 months with non-stop hearings, I say roll the dice.

Just don't get too upset when they come up short (again).

Repubs and EberDick,

You are Wrong.

TRUE AMERICANS DO CARE ABOUT DEMOCRACY - DEMOCRATS!!

You RepubTards only LISTEN and OPEN your MINDS when instructed by CHAINEY, ROVE or LIMPBONG who are OLD, FAT, RICH, WHITE and Used-every-Excuse-Possible-to-
never-Serve-America-ONE-Day-
in-the-Military WARTHOG CHICKHawks!!??

WHY do they OWN YOU ALL..!????


You are too lazy to think for yourselves?
Fine - then just Admit you cannot Think and STOP VOTING for the MOST POSSIBLE CORRUPTION CULTURED PROVEN CROOKS - REPUBS!!!

-Out

WISGOD I know the numbers, I was just suggesting a way to get the poll numbers back up for the Dems. Fact is that is what America wants. Whether the Republicans will actually ever represent their constituents is another matter.

Remember to put the lid down on the toilet when you're done.

No BLT The Republicans are ;loking more like asses every God damned day. They screamed when Democrats were doing it but now that they are doing it's AOKAY Rotten to the very core,

Larry

Posted by LarryMohr at 2007-07-19 11:11 AM

Then, am I to understand that you believe the Dems were "rotten to the very core" when they were doing the very same thing?

Danni: I have yet to see polling numbers calling for an impeachment of Bush. I'm not saying they aren't out there.

I for one did bitch about the Democrate using the filabuster on President Bush's Judge nominations. I still dont agree with it but what goes around come around and now the Democrats are stuck at the dead end. The filabuster is a Democrat tool and they hate the fact that it is being used against them

Posted by sickoflibs at 2007-07-19 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Negatory You must of missed some History way back when Republicans have used it long before Democrats. You must have not remembered or studied the ABe Fortas Filibuster Performed by the REPUBLICANS Or do You not even have a clue??

Larry

Then, am I to understand that you believe the Dems were "rotten to the very core" when they were doing the very same thing?

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Noi what is rotten to the core is when Republicans bitch about it claiming they have some Moral Authority but yet then when the Democrats get the Majority they do the EXACT SAME THING that they claimed that they were against. That is what is rotten to the very core. The Republicans always claim this God Damned Moral authority but they are just pieces of shit because they don't practice what they proclaim to preach about.

Larry

Inadequate

Still no factual retort, just more ranting?

Typical troll.

But he does have his own website....

www.barney.com


It's just like this so called Moral majority. what a pile of bat guano. These so called COnservative Preachers going around professing the sins of others but they are the worst sinners in the book because they don't Practice what They espouse. Same damned thing no difference.

Larry

Danni,

If they had anything that they could actually impeach for they would have done it. The fact is that all the ranting and accusations that the Libs want to put out as usual are non factual. Being non factual there are no grounds for an impeachment. So keep crying IMPEACHMENT if that is what makes you happy.

SICKOFLIBS, go back and read my post instead of just posting nonsense about "grounds for impeachment" which is meaningless since the House could vote for articles of impeachment for whatever reason they choose. They do not have to have a "provable" "crime". But that isn't my point anyway, I was just saying that if the Dems just cared about poll numbers then impeachment hearings would be the way to get them up. Way up.

I never said the Democrats invented the filabuster. What I was saying is that the recent use of that was by the democrats and now they dont like it when it is used on them. Personally, I still think the filabuster is a crappy way to deal with the issues that All of these idiots were elected to do.

And understand this, I don't think I personally favor impeachment (I have changed my mind) because I believe that if you corner scum like Bush/Cheney it would tempt them to use the powers given them by the Patriot Act to actually become dictators, disband Congress, and operate as an open dictatorship. Therefore I prefer to watch and wait and hope they don't just take their masks off because it gives hope that in '09 they will finally be gone.

Danni,

So what you are saying is to start an impeachment process just to get the poll number up? This is not something that the congress can just start and stop for their best intrests. If you libs are going to spew impeachment threats then go for but I promise you will be dissapointed when it doesnt work. And you are wrong, there has to be grounds for an impeachment.

"Personally, I still think the filabuster is a crappy way to deal with the issues that All of these idiots were elected to do."

Then you wish the Dems could have passed their legislation which would set a date to bring home the troops????

BTW, we hear some encouraging news from Iraq, about Iraqis reporting Sunni terrorists, etc....I am wondering if the threats of actually bringing the troops home isn't beginning to scare the population....they hate us but when we really threaten to leave then they might want to help us ..... Thus setting a date for withdrawl could be the card that we need to play in order to force the Iraqis to begin trying to get along.

Perhaps the benchmarks should be required to keep our troops there not a reason to bring them home.
Put the onus on the Iraqis or else we just say adios.

Danni,

You really have to look past your hatred of Bush and Cheany. Some of the thngs that you are saying are just plain baseless. Hey, I am not a fan of theirs either but calling name and making threats without anything to back it up makes you look emotional in your posts. You could hold more weight if you are factual and not emotional.

""And you are wrong, there has to be grounds for an impeachment.""

Oh, like a BJ....something tells me we can find plenty of times Bush has broken the law...starting with not following FISA laws which he admitted.
Or lying to Congress in SofU address.

There is no doubt that what is going on in Iraq sucks. I for one have spent my share of time there. However, we broke it and we cant just walk away.

Again, Please look at the facts. President was not impeached for a BJ. He was impeached for lying under oath. I didnt care about the BJ, that was between him and Hillary. The problem I had with that is if I lead under oath I would have lost my carrer. But it was ok for my Commander in Chief?

sorry about all the typos

""However, we broke it and we cant just walk away.""

Even though I opposed the war from the beginning I did go along with that for a while, but only for a while. It has now gotten to the point that the Iraqis have the ball in their court. We should tell them we will stay there for a specific amount of time if and only if...they get serious about ending the violence and I doubt that they will do that. it is unfortunate for the innocent Iraqis and I am sure there are millions but we can't just stay there forever.

You cant be charged with lying to congress unless you are under oath. Why do you think President Bush doesnt want any of his administration to be under oath when questioned? I have no doubt that he has broken laws, which every one of them does. The question is, is he breaking laws for his own benifit or for what he percieves is the best for the country?

I agree that we need to get Iraq to take over their own security. I also believe that if we leave to early that place is going to be a huge terrorist training ground and in the long run will be worse for us here. I dont know of a real answer, we cant stay but we cant leave yet either.

""He was impeached for lying under oath.""

Impeachment is/was a political weapon and the Republicans spent 70,000,000 looking for an excuse.
If they had not impeached him over the Monica thing they would have found something else. They hated Clinton (because their Corp. owners told them to) ever since he began talking about national health care. From that moment on there was a "vast right wing conspiracy" to get Clinton. You don't mess with the industries that make hundreds of billions on health care and not have them go to war with you. Those are the "big boys" and Clinton stepped (or almost stepped) on their toes.

""I also believe that if we leave to early that place is going to be a huge terrorist training ground and in the long run will be worse for us here.""

Steven Colbert did a report on "terrorist training." Makes me think that "terrorist training ground" is another nonsensical term that doesn't mean anything. Terrorists don't have to "train" in order to blow themselves up or shoot up a mall. We've had kids here in the US do it pretty effectively without "training."

LIBBY LIED UNDER OATH and was Prosecuted !

GONZO , the supposed Head Justice General, LIES under Oath to CONGRESS and is Now CAUGHT!

Whats the Diff!?

BUSH / CHENEY just have BALLS to blatently disregards ALL American LAWS and FREEs his little Helper anyway!

And all the widdle Repubs Cheer!

"They hated Clinton (because their Corp. owners told them to)". Sure it was a witch hunt but it started when Bill wiggled out of the White Water scandel. I cant go into detail but I know for a fact that there was more to this than was relased, but you can rest assured that there is no more evidence. That is why the Republicans went after him and would not stop. You are riight that they spent way to much money chasing after him. Is that really any different than what the Democrats are doing now (Scooter Libby)?

"They hated Clinton (because their Corp. owners told them to)" Didnt we just talk about baseless comments that are derived from emotion more than fact? You dont know who said what to who. I'm not saying you are wrong but we cant say for sure that you are correct either.

GONZO LIED recently 250 Times to Congress in the form of "I don't Recall" or "I don't remember".... BUSHIT!!!

A Lawyer's MEMORY is geared to Remember - LAWS!

If He is so confused from too many LimpBONG Hits - GET HIM OUT of OFFICE as WE DEMANDED before He does MORE DAMAGE that He will "Forget" about by tomorrow...!!!


but insteal all the little Limpbongers Cheer!

DirtyBoy,

Do you really believe all this crap that you are spewing. Name calling, Caps, and bold do not get your point across any better. Then again, what exactly is your point?

again, what exactly is your point?

Posted by sickoflibs

His head.

""I'm not saying you are wrong but we cant say for sure that you are correct either.

I'd say it was fairly obvious to anyone aware of politics at the time. The Republican opposition to Clinton was not the normal minority party opposition. It was war. It was partially responsible for the anger between the two parties today. Politics in general became much uglier in that era and IMNSHO the Republicans definitely led the way to ugly.

AGAIN - You Morons cannot Read or Understand unless a BIG FAT RICH WHITE WARTHOG gives you Permission and explains it too you.

ASK LIMPBong to explain - or LEARN how to READ!!

Even if I talked to you Directly , your EARS would VIBRATE but NO INFO gets processed unless the Mind SHUTTER is opened by the presence of a RICH FATTY WARTHOG!!

Point IS that Repubs are still so UPSET about BILL understandably being embarrased about a BJ..!

BUT - BUSH / CHENEY LIE More each Day before BREAKFAST than CLINTON did in 8 Years!!!!!

WE KNEW BILL was HORNY, WE KNEW HE LIKES GIRLS and SEX (flowers) , BUT WE ELECTED HIM by a LANDSLIDE because He is GREAT for AMERICA!!!!!

ALL AMERICA - Not Just RICH FAT CATS!

The Republican Moral Authority is over and done. They could not live up to the standards they set and it will cost them. If the war is not over by the 08 election the Republicans will suffer for it only because they are viewed as one of the main reasons this war is still going. After Nov 08 Republicans will be forced to review their party and make certain changes to get in line with the american people if they wish to survive.

After Nov 08 Republicans will be forced to review their party and make certain changes to get in line with the american people if they wish to survive.

Posted by stuart46

Does your Crystal ball have any word regarding the Packers making the playoffs in 08?

Just a prediction. Your party isnt the only one who has gut feelings about things

Ok, I'll predict that if the Sept. report about Iraq isn't good, Bush will start reducing troop numbers.

Mind Spoon Feedin' Time for all you Repub-Shaivos..!??

Sure - but How about TRUTH instead of RNC lies you injest daily from LimpBong.


POINT IS that You DITTO Brains are being made Laughing Stock FOOLS by selective listening only to RICH WHITE HIPPOCrit WARTHOGS!

You actually believe ONE understandable lie about a BJ is somehow SO damaging that the Repubs SHUT DOWN the GOVT for ONE Year to PROVE they HATE AMERICA and DEMOCRACY and you DON't CARE!!!

ALL the BUSH MEN and ASSociates like Abrahmoff, LIBBY, Gonzo are TRUE LIARS, CORRUPTORS and are stealing MONEY from our KIDS FUTURE for PROFIT, WAR, DEATH and CASH for their Richest Pals!

YET - YOU believe they are all somehow CHRISTIANS and CARE ABOUT YOU cause He pretended to Care about "Saving" ONE Brain-dead Woman from her own Wishes so Mommy would have a Play Toy..!???

YOU DO NOT LEARN and STILL BLINDLY VOTE and SUPPORT REPUBS and are KILLING DEMOCRACY and AMERICA with your blind Stupidity...!?????

"Ok, I'll predict that if the Sept. report about Iraq isn't good, Bush will start reducing troop numbers."


Very smart. If that is true. If somehow it is turned so that the Republicans can be viewed as ended the war then my prediction about Nov 08 will be wrong.

Let's hope Stuart's crystal ball tells him that Brett Favre will stop crying about the Packers not getting Randy Moss before he retires.

If somehow it is turned so that the Republicans can be viewed as ended the war then my prediction about Nov 08 will be wrong.

Even if Bush doesn't want to do it, he'll be fighting every Republican in both houses. I just hope the Iraqi goverment and people take this to heart.

"Let's hope Stuart's crystal ball tells him that Brett Favre will stop crying about the Packers not getting Randy Moss before he retires."



BEARS all the way

Let's hope Stuart's crystal ball tells him that Brett Favre will stop crying about the Packers not getting Randy Moss before he retires.

Posted by Arbusto

That was called making a statement to the Packers GM. Publicly held team that has been way under the salary cap the last 2 years.

BEARS all the way


Posted by stuart46

I'm a Packer fan but, also like the Bears. They should win the division easily. The Vikings however suck.

I think Bush is ready to take on his party the Democratic pretty much the whole American population on this. He believes he is right. He knows he is not up for re-election and see this war as the most important thing America will ever face. Now I may not,in fact I don't agree with him I do think that he believes this war must go on. I cant think of anyone who can change his mind

Stuart46: The sad thing is, I really don't think Iraq wants Democracy. And if that's true, then it's time to start packing in September. I, and many other Republicans will turn on him. And you may be right, he may not care. I've given him the benefit of the doubt, but all things come to an end.

Dems need to keep the Pressure and continue to BEND ARMS!

Otherwise, as with Rumsfeel, Generals, Brownie, Bolton, Meeting with Syria, etc, etc, etc - BUSH waits for the "cool off period" and then acts like the "change" was his idea all along.

And Idiots FALL for it!

Somehow when Dumbya changes course on these things - they NEVER call it Waffling tho..!???

Dems and Kerry knew all along that "changing course" is part of Life for INTELLIGENT Folks!

When you look at a Map and realize that you are going in the wrong direction on your traveling Trip - Do you act STUBBORN and REFUSE Change until it is more Damaging or too Late - then Act like it was your Idea all along??

Fools keep sucking it up tho.....


Good talking to you stuart46. Gotto go. I can't take this pinhead anymore.

Please NOTE: The REPUBS called the Levin-Reid IRAQ Amendment "CUT and RUN" all Week and during the all-Nighter!

When DUBMYA changes course in 6 weeks - Will they again call it "Defeat", "Not giving the Troops a chance to 'WIN'" despite NO definition ever offered of what WIN actually means and "CUT and RUN"..!??

Of course not!
Then, it will be a BRILLIANT IDEA!!!

DEMS - For Now, We have to Keep playing COLONEL HOGAN to the big COLONEL BUSH CLINK!

WG - Too much truth starting to penetrate your Limbong programming?? Better get back to your saturated mind training.


Again , Repubs would never use the same Words like "Waffler" to describe their King.


DEMS are WAY Smarter and , again, need to play "COLONEL Hogan" for One more Year to Save and salvage AMERICA!!

Dirtyrightboy- I wish your father hadn't penetrated your mother.

DEMS are WAY Smarter and , again, need to play "COLONEL Hogan" for One more Year to Save and salvage AMERICA!!

Damn, Dirtyboy, you need to take a valium or something. Relax a little. I can see your bulging eyes, the extended veins in your neck, the flushed face...you're about to have a stroke right here in front of us. Relax, son, it'll all work out all right.

Hurray - Limpbong taught you to always ATTACK the MESSENGER and IGNORE the MESSAGE..!

What an ASSet you are to America!

I dont know if there is anything the Democrats can do without their Republican counterparts to stop Bush. But I do believe that America is much stronger then George Bush and that we will get through this. Of course it may take are children and grandchildren to pay for all the mistakes that where made I do not believe that this one man will take down are country.

Actually quite comfortable and relatively Calm.

Repubs are pretend Christians and only seem to respond to LOUD Preaching or typing.

Just trying to WAKE UP their Shaivo Minds cause their Nurse (Limpbong) disconnected the thinking Tubes for too long...

danni...I dont think there are too many of us on the right who would disagree with your basic premise of making the iraquis more responsable for the benchmarks, especailly with thier vacation coming up...but look very closely at what just MIGHT happen if we were to leave tomorrow and I dont mean look at it from the leftwing socialist playbook given to you by george soros........
just think about it with both eyes open and get back to us.

yeah dirty.....and lets look at you leftwing kooks..

moveon starts raising hell and money about the war and the next day ried calls for allnight session on an issue that was dead from the start.....and no word of him pulling those strings on the leftist in any of your comments....
and yet its the right who takes orders from rush and hannity.......please...
and your caps.....hell I dont give a shit...it just makes it easier to ignore.

cant argue with that

Maybe the Dems move this week WORKED and was finally the WAKE UP call to IRAQIs to get moving - Is this true that Sunni's finally acknowledge the Parliment?

So - Why did Dumbya and the Repub rubber Stampers NOT do this 3 Years ago..!??

By Now, too little too late.

No War can be "Won" without majority support - BUSH blew out his Fantasy with stubborness and now over 70% of Americans want OUT - the WILL of the American People!

You can lead the IRAQIs to Water, but not force them to drink from the Democracy Cup.

Most Americans do not have patience for another $Trillion and 5 years for the "chance" and "hope" that 1400 years of Civil War can un-done!

Delusional, at best...

Actually dirtyboy we dont respond to loud typing, I have for the most part, been just looking past your posts. I would have to say because they look like they are being written by an out of control ranting 8 year old.

"Ok, I'll predict that if the Sept. report about Iraq isn't good, Bush will start reducing troop numbers.

Posted by wisgod at 2007-07-19 03:48 PM"

OK, I'll predict that if that happens, the families of soldiers killed between now and then will be especially sad.

Sicko - to be fair, the Repubs only "respond" to (again) the Rich, Fat, White, Non-Military, WartHogs.

1 - Repubs seem based on another delusion that if you are Rich and fat, you are Smart??

Let me be clear - They are not your "Bosses" and you do not work directly for them or are forced to take their "orders" without thought.

Be a Free thinker to process real Facts and not fictions or delusions.

2 - Repubs seem based on another delusion that if you are "emotional" or "care alot" that you are a "Woman"..?

Stop goose-stepping because it is "easy" and you are lazy. Caring about other people is a human emotion, not just for women.

btw, Fat LimpBong was unemployed, collecting govt assistance, has 5 marriages, goes to F&%# Hos in Dominican, takes illegal Drugs and gets Rich (like Jim Bakker) by knowing how stupid you Folks are and the "buzz words" to pull dollars from your Pocket.

If that is the kind of "SMART" you admire, GOD HELP US!!!

Oh - and, of course, Limburger is a "Christian"...

Hilarious!!!

He didn't quit on the gay sex, though. Give him a call, nicey.

Be sure to tell all your Friends.

Ranting performances daily at DirtyRightBoy.com

Glad to Help!

GONZO LIED recently 250 Times to Congress in the form of "I don't Recall" or "I don't remember".... BUSHIT!!!

A Lawyer's MEMORY is geared to Remember - LAWS!

If He is so confused from too many LimpBONG Hits - GET HIM OUT of OFFICE as WE DEMANDED before He does MORE DAMAGE that He will "Forget" about by tomorrow...!!!


but insteal all the little Limpbongers Cheer!

Posted by DirtyRIGHTBoy at 2007-07-19 03:01 PM

DirtyRIGHTBoy, did you conveniently forget about all the times when Hilary Clinton did the very same thing when testifying about Whitewater?

DirtyRIGHTBoy, did you conveniently forget about all the times when Hilary Clinton did the very same thing when testifying about Whitewater?

Posted by Republican4ever


Whitewater: No wrongdoing found after $260 million dollar investigation into private matters that occured before Bill's term.

Gonzales: Stonewalling about matters having to do with the public trust as Attorney General.

Apples and Cow Pies comparison you made

Hmmm - Was Hillary the top General of Justice at the time?

Was she lying directly to Congress under oath..??

Did Hillary just promise to "restore Dignity to the White House"?

Use your head for more than a Hat Rack!

News Flash: New Proof out that DUMBYA lied to Congress about ROVE!!
No matter that it involves an actual National Security Threat suppose - as long as a BJ wasn't involved cause one chubby chick is a Huge Risk..?? You braindeads will suck any SHiite off LimpBongs Fat Cyst-pussed Ass!!

News Flash: Now Dumbya and his Pawns are saying they want November to determine a status in IRAQ..??

HIlarious!! You Pawns have bought 5 years of profit-maxin' toe-draggin' that weakened our Military to dangerous levels and increased Terrorist to even more dangerous Levels!

What the FREAK are you waiting for?
NO National Guards left in America so Osama can invade and take over as King!??

All American -

These ditto brains never get it:

CLINTONS investigated with FINE TOOTH COMB for 8 Years and $100 Million and NO WRONGDOING ever FOUND, NADA, ZILCH, ZERO?!!!

Can't you ever READ and ACCEPT FACTS!!???????

Yet, after only a FEW Months of DEMS having Power of Subpeona; ALL THE BUSH MEN and HOUSE OF CARDS are FALLING like CRAZY and being Arrested, Indicited or Worse!!!

Worse - We only scratched the Surface of the CULTURE of CORRUPTION and AMERICA's WORST PRESIDENT in US HISTORY - BAR NONE!!!

To Filibuster or Not....
As I read the papers and hear the pundits on this issue, my mind keeps circling back to what seems obvious to me. Perhaps I am simply not sophisticated enough to understand all the fuss, but here's how it looks from here:

1. We have a senate and a congress made up of ELECTED officials. That is, (and please don't take this as an invitation to debate hanging chads or faulty voting machines) WE THE PEOPLE have chosen them.

2. There is, and pretty much always has been a MAJORITY and a MINORITY as a result of this process.

3. Pretty much by definition, when there are issues on which to vote, the MAJORITY wins.

4. BUT.... the minority seems to think that it isn't fair that the ELECTED MAJORITY, elected BY THE PEOPLE, should win. So their answer, instead of trying to gain the majority, is to try to prevent the Senate from even voting. Isn't that what the accusations have been in the past 2 presidential elections? Aren't these the same people who are complaining that their side hasn't been allowed to vote (a la Jesse Jackson, Al Gore, etc)?

5. Again, I'm sure it is just a case of me not being nearly intelligent enough to understand, but what it really looks like to those of us on the outside is "If we can't win, we aren't even going to play". I don't think this nation was founded on a principle of "If we aren't going to win, let's not let them vote".

6. I have recently done a bit of research into the history of the filibuster. Lest anyone accuse me of being partisan on this issue, let me share some of what I have learned:

---> The record for the longest individual speech goes to South Carolina's J. Strom Thurmond who filibustered for 24 hours and 18 minutes against the Civil Rights Act of 1957. (source: www.senate.gov)
At the time, Thurmond was a Democrat (he became a republicam in 1964).

---> Joe Biden and Robert Byrd, Tom Harkin, Ted Kennedy, Joe Lieberman, Pat Leahy, Chuck Schumer and their erstwhile colleagues Lloyd Bentsen, and Tom Daschle have all vigorously opposed the use of the filibuster against judicial nominations. Mr. Schumer was for voting judicial nominations "up or down" without delay. Mr. Leahy flatly opposed a filibuster against Clarence Thomas's Supreme Court nomination: "The president and the nominee and all Americans deserve an up-or-down vote." Mr. Harkin believed "the filibuster rules are unconstitutional," Mr. Daschle declared that "democracy means majority rule, not minority gridlock," and Mr. Kennedy that "senators who believe in fairness will not let the minority of the Senate deny [the nominee] his vote by the entire Senate." But that was then, when Democrats controlled the Senate. Now, they are a frustrated minority and it is different. Mr. Leahy has voted against cloture to end filibusters 21 out of 26 times; Mr. Kennedy, 18 out of 23. Now all these Senators practice and defend the use of filibusters against judicial nominees.(source: www.freerepublic.com)

---> Republicans Bill Frist, Orrin Hatch, Don Nickles, Christopher Bond, and Richard Lugar all supported the filibuster at one time. Now all are opposed to it. (source: democrats.senate.gov)

So it would seem that the filibuster is not something that people support and believe in because it is the RIGHT THING TO DO, as much as because it is the PARTISAN THING TO DO, depending on the situation. That in and of itself seems enough reason to rethink it's propriety.

I was not present when out founders penned and debated the constitution. None of us can know what was on their minds, except in the legacy they have left behind. I do however, find it hard to believe that they desired for us to come to the point where instead of dealing with difficult issues and resolving them, we ignore them until they go away.

Clinton and company did plenty wrong. I'll never believe that they were squeaky clean. Remember, they came to town riding their white horses claiming they were going to have the most ethical administration ever. What a joke that turned out to be. From Fostergate to filegate, from travelgate to the Monical Lewinsky affair, plus many other questionable activities, the Clinton administration was definitely not the most ethical administration ever.


Ditto head R4E tard -

Certainly you can only regurgiate what LimpBong has programmed and injested into your brain F%#& - understood.

However, We ALL have done something "Wrong" sometime - like Speeding on the Highway.

It is not just a matter of also "getting caught" but you refuse to realize that it is about the Severity and Damage caused by the wrongdoing that matters most.

Analogy:

Clinton was a misdemenor for running a STOP Sign.

BUSH stole a Car, assaulted the Owners , went on a 5 years Flee and elude, smashed countless Property in the $billions and killed hundreds of thousands during the pursuit, and then pretended that nothing is wrong..?



WOW! And FAT Cyst-Puss Ass Warthog LIMPBong still dittos your Brain to somehow believe that "Clinton Administration was BAD - Bush is GOOD"

What MORONS!!!! HILARIOUS! but SAD...


Better Analogy:

Clinton was a misdemenor for running a STOP Sign.

BUSH stole a Truck with trickery, assaulted the Owners , raided all their accounts, invaded their homes, went on a 5 year Flee and elude, smashed countless Property in the $billions, killed hundreds of thousands during the pursuit, and then pretended that He is a "Christian" and needed to do it "to Protect You"..?


And you DITTO Brain FOOLS LICK IT UP!!!!!

DirtyRIGHTBoy, did you conveniently forget about all the times when Hilary Clinton did the very same thing when testifying about Whitewater?

Posted by Republican4ever at 2007-07-20 07:25 AM

How many people lost their lives in that witch-hunt?

ITSME

And did it have ONE thing to do with the affairs of The United States of America?

Clinton testified under oath. Something this bunch of morons refuse to do. Too afraid of perjury charges, or worse yet, the American public finding out the vastness of their misdeeds.

ALL American -

Useless. Noon EST so Dittos all left for daily confirmation and Brain F%#&S.

They deflect FACTS and Proof like an all-star Goalie.

They refuse to realize the Limburger never served one day in the Military or Government; yet He is somehow an "expert" in all those Topics.?

Hilarious.

Why doesn't "Christian" LimpBong teach them about what He actually KNOWS:

- How to buy illegal Drugs and get Off
- How to F%#& Teen HOs in the Dominican
- How to collect Govt assistance when unemployed
- How to live off your Wife income and work
- How to get divorced 5 times and claim to be "pro-marriage"
- How to convince BrainDeads to Send you TONS of CASH for spewing daily Warthog RNC LYING Points.



That would be Logical; hence, they could never comprehend....

One small word about Filibuster :

If the Senate were a dictatorship like the House, then the minority party might as well go home until the next election... and then speaking of dictatorship !

Brings to mind that little prick Frist and his Nuclear Option.

DirtyRIGHTBoy, you do realize that when you call people names it tends to make your arguments much less effective.

Why don't you rise above such petty behaviour? Can you do it?

I won't be holding my breath.

R4E - May I nicely ask a gentleman like you, my friend:

Why do you only employ "Rush" methods of Attack the Messenger but continue to always and completely Ignore the Message...?

Please Read the Substance just ONCE, using "Rush's" grovely, pretend-to-be-important voice in your Head as the Presenter - if that helps.

Hear it, Digest it, process it, Remember it.

Was that "gentle" enough for you to accept?

The Dems should get rid of Reid. He's a disaster for them.

Buk Buk Bukaawk! Reid should not lead a parade, let alone the US Senate.

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