Selecting the right judges for our nations courts are just as important as choosing the president who gets to nominate them. The judges that the president has put forth deserves an up or down vote and these democrats are being obstructionist in not allowing that to happen.

-2004,2005,2006

I will continue to say it... These proposals are a waste of time. They accomplish nothing. No wonder the polls show the approval of congress to be lower than that of Bush. They need to do something, Fix Social Security, Secure the Borders, Fix Medicaid/Medicare, Lower taxes. This tilting at windmills is tiresome.

LOL... Using the Dems playbook against them,, I LOVE IT...

sawdust- they cant do much. The repuubs have blocked just about every piece of legislation the dems have introduced so far.

The same party that cried "nuclear option" is now filibustering. Both sides are hypocrititcal.

Sure you can handle the cut/paste?

Ctrl C and then Ctrl V, smart guy.

Filibustering is only Bad if it is done by Democrats.

The "Right"

I N... I agree, both parties are cut from the same cloth. The whole arena has become so polarized that nothing can be accomplished. I was not any more impressed when the repubs were in control. They really did not accomplish much either. I am not sure what the answer is, term limits, or taking the money out of it so they are not beholdn' to the special interest groups. Maybe both. But what did I read, the presidential race is spending at a much greater rate than in the past election. And look at all the earmarks. I bet those make it through. They are *all* corrupt.

These proposals are a waste of time. They accomplish nothing.

It would've accomplished a lot with another eight votes for closure.

Congress will pass a bill beginning troop withdrawal. The only question is how much damage Republicans want to do to their future electoral hopes before it happens.

The Republican controlled Congress used every trick in the book to thwart any Dem proposal for 6 years.

That included bullying, name calling, and all manner of dirty tricks.

Heck, they even threatened their own. What a bunch of arrogant morons the Congressional Repubs are.

They don't give an F about America or our troops. Lip service only.

The Republicans worse than the bacteria that grows at the bottom of Spetic Tanks.

Larry

My "Spetic(sic)" tank is insulted.

We may have lost this battle, but we'll go back to doing what we do best. Senate investigations!

Sincerely, Dingy Harry

I will continue to say it... These proposals are a waste of time. They accomplish nothing. No wonder the polls show the approval of congress to be lower than that of Bush. They need to do something, Fix Social Security, Secure the Borders, Fix Medicaid/Medicare, Lower taxes.

Social security and taxes are more important than the well being of our soldiers? Fail.

Hey, there are these things called tape recorders...these Republicans have to run for reelection and the voters just may not like what they hear....
If we are still in Iraq by Nov. 08, and it looks as though we probably will be...the Republicans are going to be in bad shape...most figure on changing their tune after Sept. but now with this fillibuster that may be too little too late. The American voter is getting pissed about this stupid war.

How low can they go?

You mean the war-mongering, gutless GOPhers and their ass kissing, lockstep, goose stepping ways?

Good question!

Apparently, they will stay up all night to support an unsupportable and dangerously misguided war.

That's pretty low right there.

Add that to their commitment to increase the size of Gitmo and to torture and spy on whoever they damn well please and yer talking lower than a snakes belly.

Basically, they need to stand at the top of a very tall ladder in order to touch bottom at this point.

There's some chinks in the evil armor though.

Republicans were mostly unified in their opposition to sidetrack the legislation, with four exceptions. Three Republicans -- Sens. Gordon Smith of Oregon, Olympia Snowe of Maine and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska -- announced previously they support setting a deadline on the war.

Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, who is up for re-election next year, also voted to advance the bill.

Other GOP members, while uneasy about the war, said they could not support legislation that would force Bush to adhere to a firm pullout date. "The amendment tells our enemies when they can take over in Iraq," said Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., who also is up for re-election next year.

PS: Also... Saxby? Seriously?

Is this a typical guys name in Georgia or sommat?

Sounds like a cartoon character to Spud.

Not a bright one.

Social security and taxes are more important than the well being of our soldiers? Fail.

Posted by Pleasantville

Maybe we should elect a Congress that can focus on more than one thing at a time.

"Both sides are hypocrititcal."

and stupid. adn out of touch with reality. and too busy playing games than legislating. and . . .

. . . ah forget it.

Wisgod,

Maybe we should elect a Congress that can focus on more than one thing at a time.

Although that is ideal, a practical approach suggests ... oh look, something shiny

okay I have laid the bait a couple of times.....can someone explain to me by harry reid voted with republicans.....cspan said something about procedural something or other and I Missed it....anyone know what he was doing........

""okay I have laid the bait a couple of times.....can someone explain to me by harry reid voted with republicans.....""

I'd kinda like to know the answer to that one myself. I hadn't heard that little detail. Strange to say the least.

Although that is ideal, a practical approach suggests ... oh look, something shiny

Posted by Pleasantville at 2007-07-18 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag


well well.....the 2nd time someone here got me laughing...thats really, hey look at the birds.

"can someone explain to me by harry reid voted with republicans"

the way i understand it is he voted that way so he car reopen the issue later if he had not it would have to be someone that did.

So, the Repuglicons here are proud that they have cut off debate and that Congress won't vote on the bill?

And this is considered what? patriotic?

who are we kidding... if you don't have to vote then you don't have to defend our position. How long can this go on?

The Great Divider has struck again!

I wonder why its that way..that doesnt make a lot of sense does it........
BECAUSE if its because he knew that they wouldnt win....then why were they there IN THE FIRST PLACE........face time perhaps.......

BECAUSE if its because he knew that they wouldnt win....

Everything they do is based on this premise.

We may have lost this battle, but we'll go back to doing what we do best. Senate investigations!

Posted by wisgod

Isn't it sad there's so much to investigate. America needs answers it hasn't gotten yet. Your boys won't even swear on a Bible, and the one's that do lie and then get a free 'get out of jail free card' even as Bush is on the record time and time again as saying, "I don't want to overturn a jury verdict" (*unless they work for the Bush Administration).

You continue to be delusional and ultra partisan, and the other 80% of us who think America's heading in the wrong direction will look into how the ship got so far off course.

PS WISGOD

There was so much dust from the never used Ethics Committee offices when the Dems took over, it took a week just to clean the place up and air it out from it's years of being vacant.

Lets see, Pelosi authorized the President to go to War with Iran and will be on vacation in August like the Iraqi Parliament. Meanwhile, the troops can sweat it out in 130 degree weather. Bush must keep the bullshit going so that the next President has to clean up the mess. Fuck-em if they can't take a joke...and you will pay for the moron's mistakes.

Isn't it sad there's so much to investigate.
Posted by AllAmerican

No, what's sad is the amount of time spent on investigations and so far the fruits of this have been a guy named Scooter.

"...even as Bush is on the record time and time again as saying, "I don't want to overturn a jury verdict" (*unless they work for the Bush Administration)."

Just to keep it straight for ya'. Bush didn't overturn a jury verdict. Libby is STILL a convicted felon. In fact, he's on probation and owes a huge fine. Bush commuted his jail time is what he did. Ya' gotta get it straight if ya' wanna go on a rant.

Sawdust- Unfortunately, I do not think term limits really help. Then we just get a new batch of clowns no one really knows.

And the shorter your term is, the more time you're spending campaigning for the next one, and the ;less time the pols actually give a shit about their jobs.

Does a guy only getting 4 years in office care about what his policies will do to his constituents and voters in 10-20 years? For most the answer is No.

WISGOD

When Administration officials refuse to testify and disregard Congressional subpoenas it's hard to get to the bottom of anything.

Aren't you curious as a citizen to know what your elected President has been up to, or do you just rubber stamp anything he's done publicly or privately as 'off limits'?. Aren't we paying his salary?

PS W isn't God.

God's the voice that supposedly told Him to invade Iraq (although I suspect it was Dick Cheney as the plan was to invade even before W's 'election' in 2000). However, I doubt it was the correct spiritual entity talking to Him.

If it was, He sure didn't answer any of George's prayers, or those of the hundreds of thousands mourning their dead and wounded loved ones

What God do you refer to?

Aren't you curious as a citizen to know what your elected President has been up to...
Posted by AllAmerican

Not curious at all. Everything he has EVER done is ridiculed by the left. And if he upsets Liberals, that's OK with me.

I think if your party would quit crying impeachment every day, they might be taken a bit more seriously.

WISGOD

"Not curious at all. Everything he has EVER done is ridiculed by the left. And if he upsets Liberals, that's OK with me."

Gee. Sounds just like the Clinton years with Tom Delay and Newt at the helm.

"I think if your party would quit crying impeachment every day, they might be taken a bit more seriously."

YOUR party attempted an actual impeachment for lying about a blow job, then you give a free pass to one of your own who lies to a grand jury.

You're so partisan it's really funny/sad

There is something more than being of one party or another: An American citizen.

You give a free pass to your own even though the evidence is pretty clear that many wrongdoings have occured, yet we can't get to the bottom of it because your hero thumbs his nose at the Constitution and the American people.

You still didn't reveal what God you're referring to.

The one who's voice told W to go to war with Iraq?

wisgod....here is proof of your point.....
spud just attacked bush because his efforts to help the aids epidemic wasnt enough or somesuch nonsense.....its on the right wont adandon thread........


and nut......pelosi had better get her liberal act together........or cindy sheahan will run against her.
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YOUR party attempted an actual impeachment for lying about a blow job, then you give a free pass to one of your own who lies to a grand jury.

Posted by AllAmerican

Are you refering to Scooter?

BLT: It's quite comical, isn't it?

Yes WISGOD for one.

We STILL have yet to get the truth from Gonzales. In the meantime the WH is stonewalling on Congressional subpoenas. We can't get the 'whole truth' from anyone in this Administation.

What could they be hiding that's more important than telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth under oath without fear of any wrongdoing being discovered? Why won't they testify?

Why did Bush and Cheney REFUSE to give their testimony under oath and on the public record regarding 9/11 events?

What's the big secret they don't want us to know about their actions? If they have nothing to hide, they shouldn't be afraid to provide the American people answers. Right?

WISGOD

Your hero's administration would be comical if it hadn't created so much tragedy.

As 'Godly' as these folks profess to be, they shouldn't have any quams about swearing on a Bible and telling the truth, should they?

The only one who did lied.

Hold on AllAmerican. You posted "YOUR party attempted an actual impeachment for lying about a blow job, then you give a free pass to one of your own who lies to a grand jury."

First, Scooter can't be impeached.
Second, he isn't getting a free pass unless you consider the money he is forced to pay nothing.

Let's turn it around. How much did Bubba have to pay for his lie and how much does Scotter owe?

"LOL... Using the Dems playbook against them,, I LOVE IT..."
Posted by armyof1 at 2007-07-18 03:21


YEAH!

LOL! But we have to "Wait Fifty Years to pass Judgment" first!

Isn't that how this "acountability" stuff works now?

Scotter=Scooter

"First, Scooter can't be impeached.Second, he isn't getting a free pass unless you consider the money he is forced to pay nothing."

YEAH!

I knew you were nothin but a poor mouth "republican"!

"unless you consider the money he is forced to pay nothing."

You fuckin' poser!

Hold on AllAmerican. You posted "YOUR party attempted an actual impeachment for lying about a blow job, then you give a free pass to one of your own who lies to a grand jury."

First, Scooter can't be impeached.
Second, he isn't getting a free pass unless you consider the money he is forced to pay nothing.

WISGOD

Hold on WISGOD. It should have been readily apparent that I was referring to your post about Dems screaming for impeachment of Bush - which was your handy deflection saying in effect that all the Congress cares about are hearings.

It's about TIME Congress did some oversight on the Executive Branch. That's one of their chief jobs as layed out in the Constitution, which also refers to impeachment several times in the event a President makes a power grab such as Bush is doing.

Scooter's fines have already been paid thanks to legal defense fund for which Fred Thompson is a primary fundraiser.

The ONLY reason Bush didn't offer a complete pardon of Libby is so that Libby can continue to take the 5th instead of telling ''the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God".

What was so important that he had to lie to thwart the true facts from coming out regarding Cheney, or for that matte Bush, in the outing of Valerie Plame. Cheney was obviously hyperfocused on getting her name out there and discrediting Wilson, a man probably the most qualified to look into the Niger yellowcake claims, as he was a the former head of Africa for the NSA, an ambassador, and was aquainted with the Minister of Mines in Niger - who told him that the yellowcake claims could not be possibly true. In any event, Saddam already had tons of the stuff lying around in Iraq and hardly needed any more anyway. Speaking of that, where are those WMD's? Where's Osama?

Speaking of that, where are those WMD's? Where's Osama?
Posted by AllAmerican

That is the best defelction of all. The Senate is behind the President. The President goes to war with Iraq. WMD's not found. And the lefties revel in the glory of telling everyone in hindsight, see we told you so.

And All, let the record show that we have not called each other names. If I roll something out, it will be directed at Mr. In-Bred (AKA Redneckville).

WISGOD

They cherry picked and cooked the intel to match their case for war with Iraq.

The Dems who DID vote to ONLY 'authorize' Bush to go to war, clearly did it with the caveat that "in the event Saddam does not cooperate with the U.N Weapons Inspectors, or is found to be possessing WMD's, THEN we authorize him to invade".

They NEVER said "Here. Now go invade Iraq".

But, we were never allowed the opportunity to discover whether or not he actually HAD WMD's as Bush kicked the U.N. guys out within days of getting his 'authorization', which he of course grabbed as the right to immediately invade - the Weapons Inspectors begging for time, or world opinion be damned.

And All, let the record show that we have not called each other names. If I roll something out, it will be directed at Mr. In-Bred (AKA Redneckville).

Posted by wisgod

Duly noted LOL

We can talk without calling each other names. I've had my fill of that the last 13 years.

:-)

They NEVER said "Here. Now go invade Iraq".
Posted by AllAmerican

That's not the way I remember it. Bush didn't just pull the trigger one day out of the blue. We all knew he was going to authorize it. And I remember many of the same Democrats doing shows like Meet the Press etc. standing firmly behind Bush in the beginning.

WISGOD

We were so shaken by 9/11 that we didn't pay attention.

The Dems did not firmly stand behind invading Iraq. They firmly stood behind taking Saddam out if he indeed still had WMD's and refused to give them up.

I know it's going back in time, but how I wish Bush had given the inspectors the 2 months they were BEGGING for. I cynically think that Bush didn't WANT them to find no WMD's - as was the case to that point with the U.N. teams - who DID have unfettered access after the resolution was passed as a means of putting a hammer over his head.

Sigh....

What I'll never understand regarding Saddam, is the way he played the U.N. If he never had WMD's, why did he fight the inspections? He must have been the most bull-headed guy in the M.E.

"We were so shaken by 9/11 that we didn't pay attention."

I agree with you there. I think most Americans wanted immediate revenge. When Bush came up with the "Axis of Evil", people bought it.

"BLT: It's quite comical, isn't it?

Posted by wisgod at 2007-07-18 05:27 PM"

If you have to look to BLT for validation, you are in more trouble than you realize.

Once again the Republicans hang our troops out to "die", and then revel in the political obstructionism of their Congress with rhetoric and distortions of the truth. Just like the conservative leadership; they would rather the Democrats look bad than anything get done, even if it means killing a few thousand more American soldiers...

I can't believe what has become of the GOP; what a bunch of weak cowards...

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHAHAHA
HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.


The Dems summer of discontent.



Posted by caldera at 2007-07-18 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:


Why do you find the deaths of all the soldiers who will die starting at the proposed pullout date so damn funny?

You're a twisted little man.

LOL... Using the Dems playbook against them,, I LOVE IT...

Posted by armyof1 at 2007-07-18 03:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Once again, we have another self proclaimed patriot who finds joy in future deaths of soldiers. That's some sick shit.

Once again, we have another self proclaimed patriot who finds joy in future deaths of soldiers. That's some sick shit.

Posted by NONSENSE

Just keep repeating your Lefty line handed to you by your Lefty leaders over and over and over etc. What a tool.

The Dems summer of discontent.

Posted by caldera at 2007-07-18 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Didn't Gnubsy go on and on about the "Dems summer...fall...of discontent/disappointment"
...before November 2006?

We all know how that "disappointment" turned out! LOL

Just keep repeating your Lefty line handed to you by your Lefty leaders over and over and over etc. What a tool.

Posted by wisgod at 2007-07-18 07:18 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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So? You keep repeating the Righty line handed to you by your Righty leaders over and over and over etc. Doesn't that make YOU a tool?

You keep repeating the Righty line handed to you by your Righty leaders over and over and over etc
Posted by mike_landau

Could you enlighten me as to what that is? Or have you yet to read anything here?

A revoltin' development without a doubt.

My personal guess is that Demo lawmakers still feel threatened by Repub charges - which would surely be forthcoming - that they're not "supporting" Our Boys. It behooves us, I suppose, to have an outpouring of public opinion without precedent, a march that would make Martin Luther King's day look like a funeral cortege. herm

Why do the Republicans hate American soldiers?

"YOUR party attempted an actual impeachment for lying about a blow job"

I'm never ceased to be amazed by revionsist historians. Clinton was impeached for lying under oath, not for getting a blow job. check the record. Are you actually trying to change history, too young to remember and this is what your mama told you, or just to lazy to check the record, AA?

Clinton was impeached because rabid rightwingers in congress knew that by making a public spectacle of Clinton's blowjob and it's aftermath they could score cheap political points. It was quintessential "party before national interest" moment for the GOP.

Goatman-
Do you think lying under oath is a serious offense, regardless of the underlying crime (or lack thereof, in the case of the BJ)?

"We can talk without calling each other names. "

THere's something we agree on, AA. I'm amazed at the people in this forum so willing to label another an idiot or worse simply because they disagree with their point of view. What's that all about? I've no other explanation than lack of maturity or being too dimwitted themselves to come up with a feasible argument.

"Do you think lying under oath is a serious offense, regardless of the underlying crime (or lack thereof, in the case of the BJ)?"

Sounds like an entrapment question, but I'll bite. Yes.

"Clinton was impeached because rabid rightwingers in congress knew that by making a public spectacle of Clinton's blowjob "

I'd like to see that on record. Show me that and I'll show the lying under oath thingy.

Goatman, that is so disingenuous. Politicians never state their ulterior motives on the record. Every so often, however, the underlying agenda is so obvious that only apologists or liars deny it is there. The GOPs attempt to impeach Clinton is the most obvious example.

Goatman-
I'm sure you could see this coming from a mile away, but here goes anyway:

Do you feel that when the COS of the VP and an aide to the President is convicted of five felony counts, including perjury and obstruction of justice, that maybe his boss shouldn't commute his sentence even before he sees the inside of a cell?

Why do the REPUBS continue to SUCK Lame Duck BUSH Dick!!??

Surely that is why LIARBermans Mouth is SHAPED like that!?

At least Slick Willy had a voluptuous Chick do it; not 49 Old WHITE Men!!!

The Morons go to Lunch each Week with Big DICKHEAD Cheney = Maybe He can take them all HUNTIN' soon!??

(four convictions, five indictments, my bad)

Moron Repubs call the All-nighter a "Waste of TIME" - Morons!!!

What about SHUTTING Down the GOVT for 1 YEAR over a CONSENSUAL BJ..!!!?????

REPUBS Hate Americans, Kids and Life.

REPUBS Love WAR, Death and DEBT!!

Do you feel that when the COS of the VP and an aide to the President is convicted of five felony counts, including perjury and obstruction of justice, that maybe his boss shouldn't commute his sentence even before he sees the inside of a cell?

Yes (that is, sentence shouldn't've been commuted). And for the record I don't think Nixon should've been pardoned, either.

BUSH is raising TAXES right NOW for OUR KIDS by SPENDING, SPENDING, SPENDING over $2 Billion per WEEK just in IRAQ!!

You MORON REPUBTARDS fall for Buzz phrases like "TAX Relief"

You think the BUSH BILLS in the $TRILLION are FREE..!!???

NO - Now, as with BONZO Reagan Wild spending, an ADULT has to TAX and PAY the BILLS..!!!!

"Why do the REPUBS continue to SUCK Lame Duck BUSH Dick!!??"

Because of blind partisianship. The bane of American politics and I'm afraid the DR, too.

So BUSH was supposed to "RESTORE Dignity to the White House" ???

EVERY SINGLE F*#@King WORD from SQUINTY Chuckles LIPS are LIES, LIES, LIES that you MORON Repubtards LICK UP off his White ASS..!!!

All kidding aside, was there anything positive to come out of the Republican controlled government during the first six years of GWBs presidency? I can't think of a single one. The rich got richer, everyone else got fucked. Terrorism grew worldwide. America's political standing in the world plummeted. Illegal immigration skyrocketed. North Korea and Iran began developing nukes. GWB was interrupted while reading "my pet goat".
If there is a hell for stupid people, then I believe anybody who still supports Bush has a long hot time ahead of them.

Goatman-
Well we're on the same page on both of those. BTW, "DirtyRightboy" is a new poster, and lord knows we needed another obnoxious drunk. Like I'm not enough! (Yeah, it hurts)

"EVERY SINGLE F*#@King WORD from SQUINTY Chuckles LIPS are LIES, LIES, LIES that you MORON Repubtards LICK UP off his White ASS..!!!"

Ho-hum. So . . . anyone got anything new that hasn't been said ad nauseaum?

Somme of us genuinely believe that rightwingers, with all their sanctimony, hypocrisy and shortsightedness, have done more harm to America under GWB than any other political movement in the last 75 years. For me, this has lead to a level of animus towards the GOP that once upon a time I would have believed impossible. And the fact that there are still people who seek to justify or explain neocon policy is mindboggling. At this point, my only response is one of complete disdain.

Well we're on the same page on both of those. BTW, "DirtyRightboy" is a new poster, and lord knows we needed another obnoxious drunk. Like I'm not enough! (Yeah, it hurts)

Posted by Boyd at 2007-07-18 11:16 PM | Reply

Actually this is incorrect. DirtyRightBoy has been around since 5/25/2005 and His Blog doohicky thingymajigger is to the left of the recent comments page just for Your Information.

Larry

Boyd,


Dirtyrightboy is not a new poster.

He usually shows up and posts in short bursts - always with enough caps and bold to make CaliChris and Larry look good by comparison.

He peddles the most extreme, far-left talking points and will, at some point, almost always link to his own blog.

He's been posting here for about 2 years, albeit very infrequently.

"All kidding aside, was there anything positive to come out of the Republican controlled government during the first six years of GWBs presidency?"

Yes, there was. BUt what is the point in talking about them when you already have your mind up there haven't been? Are you trolling?

Goatman-
Sure. The liberal media seemed incapable, and now are merely reluctant to use the word "filibuster" when speaking of what's going on in congress of late, Cheney/Bush are above the law and insulted by any meaningful oversight or checks on their power, and Edwards got a really expensive haircut.

Jeff, Larry-
I sit corrected. Thanks.

Goatman-
I wouldn't mind hearing your top three positives. (Yes, I may take issue, but I'm sure you can handle it)

Edwards got a really expensive haircut.

I used to like Edwards back when he was linked to Gore, but I couldn't help having this feeling in the back of my brain somthing was amiss. Then this haircut thing and BINGO! He was getting too mjuch like Kerry, another person who spent too much on a haircut! *grin*

NP Boyd.
Larry

OK, 4 U M8

I'm not a W fan, but one thing that easily comes to the top of my head is a good economy. Maybe if I think a little longer and drink a little less I can come up with two more.

Remember when the press picked up on the sound bite, "it's the economy, stupid". I wonder why they don't use it anymore

I used to like Edwards back when he was linked to Gore, but I couldn't help having this feeling in the back of my brain somthing was amiss. Then this haircut thing and BINGO! He was getting too mjuch like Kerry, another person who spent too much on a haircut! *grin*

Posted by goatman at 2007-07-18 11:37 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Why is it Men pitch a bitch when a Man gets an expensive Haircut but when a Woman spends Thousands of Dollars on Her hair not a peep out of ANYONE. just does not make sense at all.

Larry

Goatman-
Good to have you here, dude. A sense of humor and irony can only help, even if it will be mostly missed.

You think this economy is good where people in Manufacturing are being sold out to cheap labor in China?? Come on wake up and smell reality. The truest test of the economy if it's booming or busting is take a look at Your average elderly's Pantry. If it's Overflowing at the end of each month then it's robust. If it is baren then We ain't doing so hot. THAT is the best test that I know of.

Larry

I'm never ceased to be amazed by revionsist historians. Clinton was impeached for lying under oath, not for getting a blow job. check the record. Are you actually trying to change history, too young to remember and this is what your mama told you, or just to lazy to check the record, AA?

Posted by goatman

I"m over 60, son and retired after 30 years in the military as a colonel.

You must be REALLY young if you don't recall Bush saying that he'd fire anyone who had anything to do with outing Plame. Cheney clearly was interested in doing so and discrediting Wilson in the process.

Hard to fire the one who gives you your marching orders though. Know what I mean? Bush is the first president in my lifetime that does the VP's bidding - and lets him skate relatively unscathed from an obvious attempt to out a current spy.

We won't know the whole truth as Bush and Cheney have stonewalled at every turn. The one person who DID testify under oath lied his ass off. And got a get out of jail free card out of it too. Nice deal, eh?

I guess lying to a Grand Jury is only wrong if a Dem does it, eh?

Goatman-
Well, I did ask for three, but then I guess six years ain't so long. As far as the economy, yeah, the DOW is up. But why does everyone under the top quintile not seem to understand how wonderful things are for them?

" The truest test of the economy if it's booming or busting is take a look at Your average elderly's Pantry. If it's Overflowing at the end of each month then it's robust. If it is baren then We ain't doing so hot. THAT is the best test that I know of."

Under Clinton, the litmus test of a good economy was the stock market and employment rates, not granny's pantry. The market reached record highs and unemployment reached record lows and he was called brilliant. Now we have the same conditions, but Old mother Hubbard's cubbard is bare. Therefore the economy is in shambles.

As my teenage niece would say: Whatever

" But why does everyone under the top quintile not seem to understand how wonderful things are for them?"


I'm there, but I can't speak for anyone but myself. Things are wonderful for me. I got laid off when the tech market went to hell in 2001. Took me a couple of years of hard work, but I got back on my feet and am doing better than I ever have in my life.

"You must be REALLY young if you don't recall Bush saying that he'd fire anyone who had anything to do with outing Plame."

Did I say I don't remember that event? Get me back on track if I said that, Colonel!

Goatman-
Why did more people feel that the economy was helping them in the 90's than now? (You understand that the debt/deficit is a card I haven't even played yet, so you may want to anticipate the "any fool" can eat steaks on a credit card bit, but it takes a true charlatan to claim that because sales at Neiman-Marcus are up, we have a healthy economy)

AllAmerican-
My favorite demonstrable lie from Bush is this one:

President Bush -- April 19, 2004:

"For years, law enforcement used so-called roving wire taps to investigate organized crime. You see, what that meant is if you got a wire tap by court order -- and, by the way, everything you hear about requires court order, requires there to be permission from a FISA court, for example."

President Bush -- April 20, 2004:

"Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so."

He was lying, of course, and he knew that he was lying.

"Why did more people feel that the economy was helping them in the 90's than now?"

I'm not dodging the question, but I didn't realize that was the case, so I can't answer.

NM sales aside, why was a high stock market and low unemployment under Clinton considered good, but under Bush it's not? Answer: The glasses you view the economy through largely depends on what political party you belong to.

NM sales aside, why was a high stock market and low unemployment under Clinton considered good, but under Bush it's not? Answer: The glasses you view the economy through largely depends on what political party you belong to.

Posted by goatman

We didn't pay for everything on credit during Clinton's term as we do now (from Communist countries no less). We were actually paying down the national debt. Bush has doubled it. Now, we borrow money to pay the interest.

That would be considerd foolishness in the average American household.

Additionally, new jobs created under Clinton paid a living wage. Several million 'new' jobs under Bush pay $10 an hour with no benefits. We now give tax CREDITS to corporations to outsource those formally good paying jobs to India and elsewhere.

Goatman-
Maybe. But What you must deal with through those rosy shades is why the stupid bulk of wage earners don't see themselves as better off under this wonderful Bush economy. Maybe they're all liberals; maybe they've been brainwashed by the liberal media. Maybe the "trickle" hasn't yet come down.

Or maybe you're just wrong.

Well, you economy naysayers, y'all'd better let the Wall street financiers (what the hell do these clowns know about the economy anyway?) know how horrible the economy is and how bad the current administration's fiscal policies are before they lose a lot of their (and my!) money.

While y'all're at it, y'all ought to start doing you own root canals. Your dentist probably doesn't knwo what he's doing, either.

"Or maybe you're just wrong."

Maybe so. It wouldn't be the first and probably not the last. I only got a B in economics if I remember right. But as in the above post, there are a lot more people a lot smarter than me when it comes to judging the economy. They for some odd reason think it's good enough to invest record amounts of capital in.

BOYD

Right track/Wrong Track numbers are in the 'Wrong Track' catagory by a 3 to 1 ratio.

Or do you know something Wall Street doesn't, Boyd?

GOATMAN

The economy is doing well for a small percentage of Americans.

If the infamous Reagan election era question were asked, "Are you better of now than you were 4 years ago?", I'd bet good money that you'd have a majority answering 'no'.

Goatman-
I'm quite sure that Wall street is ecstatic, and that you are too.

It's not my job to arrange the party thrown by a grateful populace, but yours.

So get on it. Convince the other eighty percent of America that they should be happy too. Maybe Karen Hughes is available.

Goatman-
re: Or do you know something Wall Street doesn't, Boyd?

Not at all. Your problem is convincing most Americans that the party on Wall Street is their party too.

Good luck, as most everyone else is getting screwed, and they know it.

Maybe Karen Hughes is available.

That chick can talk breathing IN as well as out. I've never heard someone spin without a break.

Dude...inward singing!

"I'm quite sure that Wall street is ecstatic,"

Why is that, i wonder? Are they just stupid, or what?

NM sales aside, why was a high stock market and low unemployment under Clinton considered good, but under Bush it's not? Answer: The glasses you view the economy through largely depends on what political party you belong to.

Goat,

Low unemployment? What are you using as a measure? Bush's format! LOL!!

Seems to me the last time I looked the majority of Americas wages were decreasing not increasing. Mean while Wall street is setting records.

So your version of a good economy is Wall Street not Main street. Take a good look at the Market and then take a good look at middle America and who do you think is actually beneficiaries of the Wall street boom.

Goatman-
re: Why is that, i wonder? Are they just stupid, or what?

No, they are quite smart, as are you. It's the idiots like me and most of the working populace that can't seem to find the time to throw a party for your boon at the expense of our future that you must convince. (and if any of your previous statements are any indication, you aren't even almost up to the job)

But I'm glad you're doing well; shall we talk about that some more, as it seems to be your only gauge?

"So get on it. Convince the other eighty percent of America that they should be happy too. "

I'm a pretty good googler, but I can't find any stats to support that statement. On the contrary, I can find a lot that dispute it. I'd post them, but you would accuse me of cherry picking, so I'd like you to show me a link that supports your statement that 80% of America is not happy with the economy.

Goatman-
So, what we are reduced to is that the only "positive" of the Bush administration is that your investments are doing well, and Wall Street is giddy.

Makes sense.

Whose your pick for the GOP nominee?

Goat-
Post yours. I could use some fun reading material.

Goat-
(You kinda owe it, as I asked for a mere three positive developments from the Bush administration's tenure, and all you came up with was that you were making a profit)

Goatman is a rightwing apologist who tries to pass himself off as a moderate nonpartisan person. We sees these types of posters occasionally here at the DR. We seem to be seeing more and more of them as disillusionment grows among Republicans. Also these erstwhile rightwingers can't bring themselves to acknowledge how they have support an administration which has done so much damage to America. Yet they also cannot bring themselves to vocally continue to support GWB. So they play this faus-moderate game of claiming to be somewhere in the middle. It is becoming transparent. (If only they had the integrity to acknowledge that they were wrong and we, the left, were correct about Bush/Cheney from the start.)

So, what we are reduced to is that the only "positive" of the Bush administration is that your investments are doing well, and Wall Street is giddy.

Don't forget low unemployment

Whose your pick for the GOP nominee?

Don't know, but I think it'll be a dark horse. Maybe Newt or Jack Kemp. None of the current ones in the fray have a chance of beating a Dem unless it's Hillary.

"Goatman is a rightwing apologist who tries to pass himself off as a moderate nonpartisan person."

Anyone idiot can see you are obviously trolling. What's not so obvious are your motives. Sorry, won't play.

Who cares who the GOP nominee is? Seriously. The guy is DOA even if the democratic nominee is a cross dressing dominatrix from Iran who has a heart attack a week before the election.

I'm a troll? First time I have ever been called that. Hey, as HST said, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Seriously, you are a hardcore rightwinger, and you disingenuously are attempting to pass yourself off as a moderate. Just because I am pointing out this obvious fact does not make me a troll. Deal with it Bushman.

Goat-
So that's it? Your questionable defense of the economy under Bush is all you have.

(for what it's worth, I truly hope "Newtie" gets the nod)

Goatman-
Um, as the new poster, you would have the burden of proving that you aren't a troll, dude.

I will admit one thing that bothers me about the economy is the trade defecit and the currently weak dollar

"Um, as the new poster, you would have the burden of proving that you aren't a troll, dude."

I wasn't going to reply to M8's silliness, I'll allow one to you, Boyd since M8 got one.

I don't have to prove anhything. Even if I did, how would I do that? Post my voting records? (which, BTW have more democratic votes cast than republicans.)

For once the dems made a politically smart move...putting the repubs in a sore spot of being obstructionists.

What they didn't account for is that the "liberal media" and airheads like Diane sawyer and foxnews would misleadingly accuse the democrats of obstruction instead.

The MSM is bought and paid for trash.

Later all. Gotta go.

Six in 10 say the economy is worse than it was five years ago, and the same number predict that economic conditions are getting worse.

(Maybe they don't work on Wall Street, or have the portfolio of "Goatman")

I'll go with those numbers. THey sound about right. I wish they came from somewhere else than USA today, however. THey are to journalism what McDonald's is to hamburgers.

Goatman...USA today IS written at about the 6th grade level, that's for sure.

"the portfolio of "Goatman"

I'd hardly call it a portfolio. More like a couple of mtual funds. I do have a good job that I love, though.

MacPaper

Goatman...USA today IS written at about the 6th grade level, that's for sure.

Posted by I_N_Cognito at 2007-07-19 01:36 AM | Reply

Well hell that is the intellectual level of it's base reader. What do You expect.

Larry

Chicken or egg, larry?

Goat and In cognito-
I was aiming for a neutral source, but the question that Goatman can't answer is why most Americans are so stupid about their lot in the economy, as it is this one area that Goatman is willing to tout as a Bush success.

I'll seek guidance from future posts in the morning.

sorry, boyd... I didn't say the numbers were wrong, just that USA Today is poorly written.

If Goatman were intellectually honest he would simply acknowledge that the average American is economically worse off today than before GWB took office. But he won't do that because he, and probably the people he hangs out with, happen to be doing quite well.
There is not a single area in which GWB has helped or improved this nation. He has been the most incompetent and fascistic leader this nation has ever seen. It is funny how nobody can name 3 accomplishment of GWB, but everybody can name at least a dozen areas where he has totally fucked up. You would think sooner or later even the most hardcore apologists would catch on.

Mussolinie kept Italy's trains running on time:>)

"(for what it's worth, I truly hope "Newtie" gets the nod)"

Me, too. He's a bit too far right for me, but he is incredibly smart. Hopefully he would use those smarts well if he gets the nomination

Chicken or egg, larry?

Posted by I_N_Cognito at 2007-07-19 01:42 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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I'd buy the Farm that way I could have Many Chickens and Many Eggs. That way I would not starve to death and I Wouldn't be so fucking fat.

Larry

Weak minded REPUBTards fall for catch phrases like TAX RELIEF like it is a thanksgiving Fart!?

Phrases like DEMS are Tax and SPEND when BUSH and BONZO Reagan are BIG SPENDERS - for Military!

Then, it takes an ADULT to TAX and PAY BILLS!!!

That is why DEMS are left cleaning Up after the FRAT PARTIES cause you REPUBTards are so easily FOOLS...!!!

Grow Up and LEARN KIDS!

EVERY ONE of your "CHRISTian" Repubs are proven huypocrits, LIARS and CROOKS like NIXON!

BUT you KIDS do not LEARN!!??????

Boy, good thing the GOP didn't do away with the filibuster while they were in power, huh?

MURPHY

You'd better not have a 'W '04' sticker on your car if you get a flat and have no spare.

I don't find anyone loathsome. You have some serious psychological problems finding and American, any American, 'loathsome' because their views differ from yours.

By the way, I'm gonna get a REAL kick out of guys like you spitting at their computer screens for the next 10 years because your party's attitude (like yours) has so alienated Americans that you're down to the low 30's in declared party affiliation compared to over 50% for Dems.

It's guys like you that made that happen. THANKS !!!!

Maybe the rest of us Americans from both sides of the aisle who aren't so full of hate can crush people like you a little further. That is my wish. For an America without your type around anymore - like it used to be before Newt and Delay and Cheney.

Most of America has concluded that Iraq is a disaster and it's the GOP's fault and has done so since at the latest since early 2005. Some still don't and never will. They manage to persuade themselves that their campaign to blame the Democrats is working.

Maybe within the reality-free world in Washington and the media it does to some extent but the country isn't buying it. They may be bored with the details, not understand about the filibusters and tune it all out in the short term but the country's decision on Iraq is never going to turn round now. The longer Bush keeps this war going and the more casualties we incur the bigger the anti-GOP backlash will be.

All those filibustering GOP Senators know this but are so mired in partisan politics that they can't quite yet bring themselves to do what's right for America and what's wrong for Bush. Go figure. The nearer we get to November '08 though the more reality will dictate what they do in order to get re-elected.

LOL... Using the Dems playbook against them,, I LOVE IT...

Posted by armyof1 at 2007-07-18 03:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

What are you talking about???

The dems did do an up or down vote on the judges.

Also, there are American soldiers dying as the republicunts play partisan games. I don't remember any dying during the judicial nomination process. Good for you though.......you can find amusement in the deaths of our troops. Good for you.