This will wake up Godzilla for sure!

yeah lets build more nuke plants, they are so safe and clean.

yeah lets build more nuke plants, they are so safe and clean.

Yes, let's be backwards and reactionary. Let's remain forever dependent on an ever scarcer fossil fuel that is primarily controlled by a cartel of crazy muslims. Let's forget about energy independence. Let's shun all research and investment into improving nuclear plant technology.

From the article:
About 315 gallons of slightly radioactive water apparently spilled from a tank at one of the plant's seven reactors and entered a pipe that flushed it into the sea.
Officials said there was no "significant change" in the seawater near the plant, which is about 160 miles northwest of Tokyo. "The radioactivity is one-billionth of the legal limit,"

Unless you're planning on turning Amish, you're going to be using electricity from somehwere. I'd rather 300 gallons of radioactive water once a decade over hundreds of coal plants constantly spewing radioactive thorium into the air.

Go take a geiger counter and stand down wind of a coal plant. I recommend holding your breath. Then come back here and state if you want to be a nuke plant NIMBY or Amish.

So far, the only sane post has come from Norm.

And what are the chances of that. Surely, the Apocalypse is nigh.

"tesla discovered free energy over 115 years ago..."

TANSTAAFL

Have no fear, Johnny Nucleo has got it covered.

tesla discovered free energy over 115 years ago...too bad his sponsers couldnt find a way to bill us for it

From your article:
It operated in an entirely new domain of physics based on abrupt discharges of electrostatic potentials and the subsequent release of kinetic Radiant Energy from the omnipresent ether.

Uh huh. Your article was written by someone who has just enough understanding of physics to be dangerous. There is no free energy. They were generating high voltage DC and observing electrostatic discharges, unsurprisingly. But all the energy came from the DC generator, not from the ether.

Tell you what, you go stick a rod in the ground and power your light bulbs from the magical ether, tell us how that works out for you, and let those of us based in reality handle the big scary nuclear power plants.

I'll summarize the article, for those of you too lazy to read it, too ignorant to understand it, or to hysterical to properly interpret it:

"A large earthquake hit Japan, killing or injuring hundreds of people and causing billions of dollars in damage. And the nuclear reactors responded in precisely the manner in which they were designed, and flushed into the oceans water that was safe enough to drink directly from the pipe, and whose risk levels were only one-one billionth of that which is considered the minimum level of unsafe."

In what will go down as one of the greatest missed opportunities in history, the Bush Administration should have used 9/11 to demonstrate America's urgent need to diversify away our energy sources, and build nuclear reactors all over America. Clean, hyperefficient, SAFE, and which would, by the way, result in collapsing crude and coal prices long-term. Instead of using 9/11 solely as a chance to reform the Middle East--likely a fool's errand in the best of times--no Congressman in his right mind would have voted against an energy package that embraced domestic production of cheap energy.

Alas, no. Just as Bush I was handed a golden, once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to fix entitlements, and Clinton blew his big chance to truly make a difference in our country's race relations, Bush II can be thanked for generations to come for ensuring our reliance on supplies that come from regimes who seek our demise.

This incident in Japan is a validation of nuclear power use all over the world, NOT a repudiation of it.

" . . . or TOO hysterical . . ."
Apologies.

This incident in Japan is a validation of nuclear power use all over the world, NOT a repudiation of it.

Posted by rightisright


im sure the residents around chernobyl agree with you....

im sure the residents around chernobyl agree with you....

Posted by cheka
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Depends on how you ask the question. How about: would you feel better living next door to a reactor built by the Japanese? Or by the Stalinists?

did the japanese or stalinists build three mile island too?

and also... what would you do with all the extra nuclear waste that more plants would create?

From the Tesla site:

...the omnipresent ether.

RIght there is a problem. Ether was something invented by Christiaan Huygens in the 17th century. He proposed the wave theory of light. But a wave needs a medium so he invented ether

It wasn't until the late 19th century and early 20 century that light was explained by quantum mechanics and ether was no longer needed.

Sooooo -- how can energy be derived from ether when ether doesn't exist?

cathc = catch
on = of

and also... what would you do with all the extra nuclear waste that more plants would create?

It's called scientific progress. Making the necessary investment in Research & Development to overcome problems and create 21st century technology.

But this can't happen when people like you run screaming to the hills everytime they hear the word 'nuclear'.
There are new reactor designs that burn waste, that are impossible to melt down. But they can't be built while the NIMBY pitchfork crowd are burning their witches.


Let's examine one potential candidate, the thorium reactor:

First of all, unlike U-235 and Pu-239, thorium is not fissile, so no matter how much thorium you pack together, it will not start splitting atoms and blow up. This is because it cannot undergo nuclear fission by itself and it cannot sustain a nuclear chain reaction once one starts.

And this is where it gets interesting: thorium has a very different fuel cycle to uranium. The most significant benefit of thorium's journey comes from the fact that it is a lighter element than uranium. While it's fertile, it doesn't produce as many heavy and as many highly radioactive by-products. The absence of U-238 in the process also means that no plutonium is bred in the reactor.

As a result, the waste produced from burning thorium in a reactor is dramatically less radioactive than conventional nuclear waste. Where a uranium-fuelled reactor like many of those operating today might generate a tonne of high-level waste that stays toxic for tens of thousands of years, a reactor fuelled only by thorium will generate a fraction of this amount. And it would stay radioactive for only 500 years - after which it would be as manageable as coal ash.

Add plutonium to the mix - or any other radioactive actinide - and the thorium fuel process will actually incinerate these elements. That's right: it will chew up old nuclear waste as part of the power-generation process. It could not only generate power, but also act as a waste disposal plant for some of humanity's most heinous toxic waste.

Thorium Power believes there is a market for about four thorium-powered reactors each in Russia and United States just for plutonium disposal. It's also aiming for reactors dealing with commercial plutonium by-products in Europe, Japan, Russia and the USA.

In a non-proliferation sense, there are also good reasons to prefer a sub-critical thorium reactor, as it is impossible to make weapons-grade materials from thorium.

Even traces of unburnt U-233 in thorium reactor waste products are more difficult to convert into a usable nuclear weapon than U-235 or Pu-239. Imagine the West offering thorium-fuelled ADS reactors to countries such as Iran or North Korea: this would satisfy their demands for cheap nuclear power, but entirely avert the risk of the civil nuclear program leading to the development of nuclear weapons.

Clean, Safe Nuclear power

Why not add "Fresh and Minty" too while yer at it?

The fact is, that the people who mine Uranium, and those who live in surrounding areas, prolly wouldn't agree with you there.

The people at the recieving end of the depleted uranium munitions built from the end by-product of nuclear power prolly wouldn't either.

Fact is, the primary and secondary waste is not as safe as the industry would like you to believe and the storage and containment of sed waste also becomes an issue over time.

Fact is, making more nuclear material available in a more terrorist prone world is just asking for trouble.

Fact is, most people are rightfully leery of nuclear fuel but there's a nuclear lobby getting ready to change all of that.

They gonna manufacture some consent and yes, the "We have to wean ourselves off of ME oil" card WILL be played there.

Another fun fact is that there are also people out there who are also getting ready challenge them on this issue.

Weaning the global economy off of non renewable resources is a no-brainer, btw.

That's a "how" question, not an "If"

And no, Nukes is not the only answer there.

Solar, Wind, GeoThermal, Tidal, Hydro Electric.

Be Well.

PS: Godzirra and Mothra references was funny!

As long as they didn't wake up Mecha-Barbra-Streisanda, Spud'll be happy.

"Actually Classical Electrodynamics gets along just fine with no ether either."


True, of course. But the duality of light wouldn't be explained until Planck came along. I guess that is what I was getting at and didn't get across too well.

I'll summarize the article, for those of you too lazy to read it, too ignorant to understand it, or to hysterical to properly interpret it:

That would be me on all counts. Anytime a nuclear plant gets terrorized, leaks or is broken I feel hysteria and a wink of the sphincter.

"A large earthquake hit Japan, killing or injuring hundreds of people and causing billions of dollars in damage. And the nuclear reactors responded in precisely the manner in which they were designed, and flushed into the oceans water that was safe enough to drink directly from the pipe, and whose risk levels were only one-one billionth of that which is considered the minimum level of unsafe."

Earthquakes are predictable to an extent, so wouldn't that give pause as to putting a nuclear reactor on an island rife with them? Japan literally experiences earthquakes every day. This particular reactor has withstood some time, but apparently not long enough.

You aren't even mentioning that most military vessels are nuclear powered. How many accidents have they published? None!? I suppose it's rather difficult to assess what is "safer" when governments and the public are not informed.

Alex Ansary is on tv right now mentioning the other 800lb gorilla. Everyone might want to be concerned regarding China's nuclear satellite reactors falling from the sky, polluting the stratos. Their aggressive nuclear missile program, tainted food and water supplies - China is obviously incapable of acting responsibly with any believability. We need to halt all imports from China ASAP - radiological and biological agents have already been successfully shipped into our ports on occasion.

Li Cashing, the wealthiest Chinese billionaire, owns critical infrastructure all over the United States thanks to Bill Clinton and Bush junior. Cashing's co-investors are tied directly into oil refinement around the world. Buy cheap, dangerous WalMart Chinese imports and raise the cost of gas for everyone.. nice.

In what will go down as one of the greatest missed opportunities in history, the Bush Administration should have used 9/11 to demonstrate America's urgent need to diversify away our energy sources, and build nuclear reactors all over America. Clean, hyperefficient, SAFE, and which would, by the way, result in collapsing crude and coal prices long-term. Instead of using 9/11 solely as a chance to reform the Middle East--likely a fool's errand in the best of times--no Congressman in his right mind would have voted against an energy package that embraced domestic production of cheap energy.

A policy of compassion and "reform" isn't what BushCo has ever operated under. He wanted to kick some ass and so did all of the other red state conservatives. "You are either with us or you're with the terrists!" Are you aware of the "Bush 4 Life" campaign started by a conservative Christian group during his first term in prep for his huge number two (aka Mud Monkey/Fudge Dragon 2008), m'kay? The simple invasion of Iraq wasn't including elements of reformation in any spectrum at all, imo. From the television - remember when the Iraqi army surrendered ahead of time?! The "shock & awe" of Bahgdad that did absolutely nothing positive to a proposed "reformation" occupation. BushCo. privatized EVERYTHING relating to the war, their government, even the journalism and select military operations which appear to be ongoing today. KBR, Aegis, Blackwater, Haliburton (oh, KBR), etc. all operate within the United States as well as Iraq. Perhaps their connections with China, US importing and the oil should be scrutinized? Perhaps they will be employed for 911 part II?

Hopefully, there were no lizards around.

"Robert Kennedy doesn't like it because" he's dead.

Posted by goatman

Zat --

You must've not looked at the link. It's pretty clear there they are referring to live one and not the dead on.

But then again -- maybe it is the sometimes hard to discern humor hidden in written text. If so -- I get it! *grin*

The Searl generator is easily made and demonstrates a few new societal and economic impacts:

Oh god, another crackpot. Go build one, take it to any university on the planet, and demonstrate it if it's so easy.
Prove the 2nd law of thermodynamics wrong, collect your free PhD, and come back here and brag.

Or you can admit that "free energy" is a croc and a sham.
Of course it spins, it's an electric motor. The guy admitted it's running off 7V and 600mA. It's not even a good electric motor. It's just interesting because the rotor is a bunch of independent magnets spinning around. But I dare you to get any sort of torque output out of that thing. It's a toy.

You're not doing yourself or the world any favors by pandering this pixie dust nonsense.

If they'd put all their time and effort into building solar panels they'd be harvesting a lot more "free" energy than they are now.
But then they wouldn't be able to scam any investors, would they?

Strong the subtlety is with this one.

"Oh god, another crackpot. Go build one, take it to any university on the planet, and demonstrate it if it's so easy."

exactly! Anyone else remember teh "cold fusion" fuss?

The thing I don't like about nukular is that the waste will be around for MILLIONS of years. I dunno... seems kind of arrogant to me to think that it's not going to cause future cvillizations, or future lifeforms, some serious problems.

"The thing I don't like about nukular is that the waste will be around for MILLIONS of years. I dunno... seems kind of arrogant to me to think that it's not going to cause future cvillizations, or future lifeforms, some serious problems."

Yep, probably. So what are we going to do. Something has to suffer -- birds on the wind generator blades or increased CO2 in the atmosphere, or ugly solar collectors, or we all go back to the stone age. We've choices to make.

My little part to help is that I don't buy paper towels. I use dish rags and hang 'em to dry on a rack by the sink. I compost (so easy) , and though I own a clothes dryer, I rarely use it. I hang my clothes on a line.

NOt much, I know, but if everyone did just one little tiny thing like it'd help.

Goatman-
As far as I know, the only real problem with birds v. wind turbines is in one raptor migration area in CA. Of course, the right-wing plays this up as if it's a real problem for anyone anywhere else. As for "ugly solar collectors", please point me to any environmental group that bitches about that.

But I'm in agreement with your point that we should all do our part.

" As for "ugly solar collectors", please point me to any environmental group that bitches about that."

No greenie bitching that I know of, but a lot of NIMBY bitching (like Kennedy and the wind stuff link).

So what?

some NIMBYs pull a lot of weight. e.g. any Kennedy

see any wind generators off of Cape Cod?

Goat-
And your overall point regarding environmental policy is what?

That rich liberals suck? That Kennedys suck?

Is that it?

Some effete "liberals" have a problem with their expensive view, and so you throw up your hands and wash dish towels, seething under the euro-socialist plot against capitalism, apple pie and the American way.

Is that the depth of your contribution (aside from washing dish towels)?