No child left behind, - the neocon way.

Raises the tax on cigs by 61 cents.

Strike One

Cover "non-poor" children. Well I would have to see the definition of non-poor but ...

Strike Two.

Does not address tax issues on insurance cost for average Americans.

Strike Three.

As much as I do not agree with Bush, as much as I think every child in the country should have health care, I have to say I think he may be right on this one.

This is the party of "family values" "compassionite conservatism" and "no child left behind" phrases. However we always have enough money to destroy buildings and bridges with enough left over to rebuild them.

According to the article, Dems want to triple the size of the program in five years, and include many "nonpoor" children now who are covered under private plans, but whose parents will drop coverage to sign up for the government program.

Just cover everyone.....What have you got to lose? Money? Who cares? We can spend billions and trillions on killing people, but we can't spend millions on saving people?

Where are the priorities?

"but we can't spend millions on saving people?"

Not if they are already born.

"We had to destroy the village to save it"

The proposal would increase current levels of spending by $35 billion over the next five years,

Health care for kids for the next 5 years, or 3 1/2 months of Mission Not Accomplished in Iraq (including a month of paying for the Iraqi government to hang out by the pool)?

Decisions, decisions....

And increase tobacco tax to pay for Childrens' Health care? Unacceptable to this creepy administration.

Increase taxes to pay for war? Forget it.

I say we just legalize weed and tax the hell out then use that money to insure all
the uninsured.

The shit is already expensive anyway. Making the market legal, even while heavily taxing it will still likely result in a price drop so pot smokers benefit too.

Plus we will save a ton of money in drug enforement and maybe we will get some cool new innovations in the software industry.

So, he's going to veto it because it MIGHT insure some "nonpoor" children, while making it harder for other people to smoke cigarettes? That's pathetic.

Why does BushCo hate the children?

................Bush is a prick...............

CHIP is already available to poor children who do not qualify for Medicaid. The only reason to expand it is as a back door to socialized medicine for everybody.

You want the same people who run the IRS, the CIA and DoD (Iraq war) to run your health care?

"You want the same people who run the IRS, the CIA and DoD (Iraq war) to run your health care?"

Why do the same people who tell us "government is the problem" keep trying to prove it to us when they're in power?

You want the same people who run the IRS, the CIA and DoD (Iraq war) to run your health care?

No, I want a significant portion of them replaced, and I want some competent people to run health care.

Shouldn't healthcare be run for everyone's benefit, so that it provides the most benefit to the end users, instead of the most profit to the providers?

Bastard
Utterly
Shafted
Humanity.

Larry

Danforth-
There's really something to that. When they are in charge of actually governing, and conduct the business of governing so poorly, well, that merely proves that gov't is the problem. Which is what they said all along.

Likewise, when they say that we are in an existential struggle against Islamists and then promote the very flawed strategies and tactics that strengthen and swell the ranks of jihadists, then I suppose that proves their point too.

Great work if you can get it.

For example - for years we've heard that proof of Bush's success is that we haven't had a terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11. Well, what would these same people say if we had a major attack tomorrow?

Any guesses?

"Why do the same people who tell us "government is the problem" keep trying to prove it to us when they're in power?"

Posted by Danforth

Because they keep getting elected.

Well, what would these same people say if we had a major attack tomorrow?

Any guesses?

They would hold it up as an example of why we must "stay the course", because there is still a threat. Just one problem, there will always be a threat.

Shrub really is a piece of s***. Really.
Every time I think he has sunk as low as he can go, he surprises me by sinking even lower. These are CHILDREN! What is WRONG with that miserable excuse for a human being? So much for his spewing about how he is pro-life. That's a lie like everything else that dribbles out of his mouth.

Larry:
Yahoo mail.
Storming again.
YOGF

The most evil persons who ever lived.

- Caligula
- Nero
- Attila the Hun
- Torquemada
- Francisco Pizarro
- Bloody Mary
- Ivan the Terrible
- George W. Bush
- Rasputin
- Jozef Stalin
- Adolf Hitler
- Ilse Koch
- Pol Pot
- Idi Amin

Nice list. So you consider George Bush worse than, say, Mae? Or Himmler? Or, for that matter, Saddam Hussein?

And you should be careful to say that your list is only of famous people. After all, you've never met my ex-wife.

"The proposal would increase current levels of spending by $35 billion over the next five years"




If the war costs us 12 billion a month, we just need to end the war three months earlier and it's all paid for.....oh wait, then the money can't be siphoned off by Bush's buds.

And you should be careful to say that your list is only of famous people. After all, you've never met my ex-wife.

Posted by rightisright at 2007-07-16 12:38 AM

You want the same people who run the IRS, the CIA and DoD (Iraq war) to run your health care?

Posted by vernon

As a matter of fact, yes.

Cost per Medicaid and Medicare administration: 3%
Cost average private insurance administration: 15-30%

The govenment is far less wasteful in their administration of health care.

She's probably a Liberal.

God Bless her.

Posted by TreesGoneWild
* * * *

You might be right. She takes medicine for a personality disorder, bipolarity. And she still has a W sticker on the car I paid for before she took off with her aerobics instructor.

So maybe you're right. She's a liberal who is a big Bush supporter and the only non-union member of a big, money-wasting education office in Montgomery, but in every aspect of her personal life, she's a liberal--extremely jealous of everyone else's success, and very touchy whenever it's apparent she's in the presence of people smarter or better paid than she. And so she needs her meds to reconcile all the dissonance in her head--is that your theory?

A liberal. Hmmmm. Well I gotta say, that would explain quite a bit.

HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS FOR BECHTEL, BROWN & ROOT & HALIBURTON WITH NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT. AFTER THE FIRST GULF WAR IRAQIS RESTORED WATER AND ELECTRICITY IN 90 DAYS, ALL BY THEMSELVES.

Shouldn't healthcare be run for everyone's benefit, so that it provides the most benefit to the end users, instead of the most profit to the providers?
Posted by Whatsleft
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You could say the same about government...

"Shouldn't government be run for everyone's benefit, so that it provides the most benefit to the end users, instead of the most profit to the providers?"

It would be nice but it isn't the case. If you think government is successfully providing the most benefit to the end user, then it's reasonable to assume they could do the same with health care.

But, anyone who thinks the government has ever successfully provided the most benefit to the end user should be placed in a rubber room for their own safety.

Entitlements are not the way, i agree that this needs to be scuttled, if the parents are able to pay for their childrens health care why should I or all the rest of you be force by the gov't to pay for it. I understand that its not the kids fault that their parents are deadbeats and live on welfare and want the nanny state to care for everything from the craddle to the grave, BUT if you can afford it you pay for it. We already pay enough in taxes. And putting a tax on smokes is pretty stupid, higher price on smokes = less revenue since some people will quit smoking. this creates a need to implement a new tax to make up for the short falls. I say that all of the peole who want this program should pay for it and leave the rest of us out, and that can go for social security, Medicare- medicade and all other entitlement programs that soak the American citizen for all off the furits of his labor. Stop stealing from Americans for stupid pet projects

You want the same people who run the IRS, the CIA and DoD (Iraq war) to run your health care?

Posted by vernon at 2007-07-15 09:12 PM

Vermin!

Have you even seen SICKO yet? If so how do you respond to it?

The Defense Department would not run the National Health Care System. You spout the same Reagan era mumbo jumbo (piss on the poor) that has prevented a National Health Care system from the beginning.

You have socialized Police Protection, Fire Protection, Libraries, Weather Service, Road Service, National Park Service, etc.

Yet we cannot have socialized medicine?

It does work in Canada, France and England!

You are a slave in a America compared to them.

Don't piss off yer Boss Vern you might lose your Health Care.

Don't Have a preexisting condition you wont GET health care.

When will America Get it?

When we learn to take back our Government and put it to work for US! Or let the HMO's and Drug Companies continue to rape you...

Get yer dirty laundry together and lets ALL head to DC...we got sum work to do...

Go see SICKO now...

If you think government is successfully providing the most benefit to the end user, then it's reasonable to assume they could do the same with health care.

That's not what I said.

Although I do agree that the free market is best for some issues, like luxury yachts and BMW's, the free market does not work best for health care. Government, in its present state, cannot run healthcare either.

If healthcare is managed by the free market, then good healthcare may only be available to the wealthy, or those willing to go bankrupt to get it.

If healthcare is managed by government agencies, in their present form, then good healthcare may not be available to anyone.

I don't know what the answer is, but I believe it exists somewhere in between.

Major illness is one of the leading causes of bankruptcy in this country. A major illness should not take all the resources of a family, and leave them destitute.

There IS a problem, and it needs to be solved.


And savemycountry,

I say that all of the peole who want this program should pay for it and leave the rest of us out,

I hope you don't get seriously ill more than once in your life jackass. The way health care is right now, that's all your insurance is going to cover.

With all the countries with nationalized healthcare it's not like we can't take what's best from all of them and use what works while discarding ideas that didn't.

That's just too reasonable though.

the free market does not work best for health care.

Exactly, because supply and demand doesn't happen when your life is on the line.

Ever wonder why the exact same antibiotic drug costs $6 per dose for a human and $0.10 when given to a cow?
It ain't production costs, cause they're made on the same line.

It's that the farmer isn't going to pay $6 per cow. There supply and demand works.

But no family is going to say "Sorry Grandma, you aren't getting any antibiotics, cause the price is just too high"

A coworker went in for quadruple bypass surgery. During the pre-surgery consultation, do you think he haggled the surgeon down 10% on the price?
Do you think he even looked at the price?

There is no free market healthcare. We pay what they tell us to pay.

And then there's the hospitals working the insurance companies. And I couldn't stop it and I tried.

I dropped a piece of concrete on my foot and hopped into the ER to get an x-ray. They took an x-ray and it was negative. Mission accomplished.

Then they found out I had good insurance. Suddenly I needed two more x-rays, just to be sure.
Then they gave me an air cast that I told them I wouldn't wear, but they made me take it anyway, and of course billed my insurance for it all.

All told, my insurance paid nearly a thousand dollars so that I could know my foot wasn't broken.

And what is my alternative? Sit at home with a foot the size of a grapefruit, but refuse to go get an x-ray until they make their prices resonable for my employer?

hmm are we sickos or not?

Danforth-
There's really something to that. When they are in charge of actually governing, and conduct the business of governing so poorly, well, that merely proves that gov't is the problem. Which is what they said all along.

Likewise, when they say that we are in an existential struggle against Islamists and then promote the very flawed strategies and tactics that strengthen and swell the ranks of jihadists, then I suppose that proves their point too.

Great work if you can get it.

For example - for years we've heard that proof of Bush's success is that we haven't had a terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11. Well, what would these same people say if we had a major attack tomorrow?

Any guesses?

Posted by Boyd at 2007-07-15 09:27 PM


Sure do. Clinton's fault.

Danforth-
There's really something to that. When they are in charge of actually governing, and conduct the business of governing so poorly, well, that merely proves that gov't is the problem. Which is what they said all along.

Likewise, when they say that we are in an existential struggle against Islamists and then promote the very flawed strategies and tactics that strengthen and swell the ranks of jihadists, then I suppose that proves their point too.

Great work if you can get it.

For example - for years we've heard that proof of Bush's success is that we haven't had a terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11. Well, what would these same people say if we had a major attack tomorrow?

Any guesses?

Posted by Boyd at 2007-07-15 09:27 PM


Sure do. Clinton's fault.

Well, fine, make the son of a bitch veto it. Make his butt buddies vote to support him. Let the American people actually know where he stands, without the BS.