This asshole is just plain out of his fucking mind.

Period!!!!!

OMG.

Unbelievable, the man is mentally ill. He's unfit to hold the office of the President, hell he's unfit to caputre the dust bunnies under the desk in teh Oval Office.

Something needs to be done, and done before this crazy fucker gets happy with the football and nukes the shit out of Iran.

Atta's been resurrected?

"Is bin Laden alive?"

So when is "WHERE'S OSAMA?" going to be the chant at a speech?

We are in deep shit.

Atta's been resurrected?

Posted by Zatoichi at 2007-07-12 07:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

"only less intelligent and a far worse actor"

It's an act, he's an evil genius.
Every thing is going according to plan.
I know because a little voice told me.
God speaks English.
-The Really Really Right

You know, I'm thinking that now would be an awesome time for that Rapture thing to come.

Please Jesus, get these fuckers off my planet.

For all the clamoring the right does about how the left is politicizing this war, nothing hold more true an example than bush right here.

This is a guy who when it was in his best interest to say so... told America Al Qaeda was not a signifigant threat "I don't think about them".

Knighthawk, I thought he said that about Osama? Non al queda in general.

-The Really Really Right

Who are the only ones who are really right.

awesome time for that Rapture thing to come

"Excuse me sir, but when the rapture comes, can I have your AR-15 with the picture of Jesus on the stock?"

OBL must be sitting comfortably someplace laughing his ass off about now.

I've often wondered why he would bother to risk another attack to destroy our country when George Bush is doing such a splendid job all by himself.

Bush is a dope. Al Qaida in Iraq didnt even exist until Bush gave UBL, Al Zawahiri & Co. a free pass into Waziristan. Google Krugman's "Arabian Candidate". It suggests that Bush Cheney are Arabian shills setting up Arabia and the Muslim extremists for victory.

Who knows? Given the incompetence with which the administration has governed, one would think it has not succeed at much other than making a lot of individuals with sympathies to the administration richer, and making teh Arabian friends of Bush and Cheney many times richer!

My mental state is, to say the least, in these day of Bushco, fragile.

People for the state of some of our more depressed citizens, find an upbeat way to slam/dunk this demented POS.

News Release:

New amusement park to open in DC.

Bush's "Fantasy World", a trip(bad) through the mind of a totally insane politician(sorry).

The more desperate a person becomes, the more outrageous their lies become. Between the drunken (or hungover) recent appearances in public, and the increasingly outrageous lies told to the public and media, it would seem our president is close to some sort of breakdown.

I think those who are surprised when the miserable prick lies must be on some kind of medication or something. When doesn't this piece of crap lie?
Dog bites man is not news.
George Bush lies is not news.

Just shows how little respect Bush has for the people he ordered over there. He'll dig for any excuse to keep them over there. How can he not realize that continually changing his rationalizations for the war undermines what little credibility remains.

There is a link, which the meathead created by invading and occupying Iraq. $1 trillion dollars later, thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed, tens of thousands of Americans and millions of Iraqis permanenetly disabled, millions of Iraqis displaced. Still no oil.

so are you guys saying that al Q in iraq has no link whatsoever to the al Q that attacked us?

or did i just disrupt a productive bitch fest?

Does anyone still believe a word this idiot says any more?

"so are you guys saying that al Q in iraq has no link whatsoever to the al Q that attacked us?"

Saying that there is no link would be as ridiculous as saying you know for sure that there is a strong link.

We give Al Queda power in Iraq by being there. We haven't shown any ability to get rid of them. If we leave, it is likely the Iraqis won't want them around anymore.

so are you guys saying that al Q in iraq has no link whatsoever to the al Q that attacked us?

Was there a significant Al Qaeda presence in Iraq before Bush invaded the country?

How siginificant is the presence today?

What is the source or what are the sources of the information?

How do you define "Al Qaeda"?

One of the reasons "Al Qaeda" cannot be extinguished is that it doesn't have a head.

That's where OBL was smart and GWB was, as he has been throughout his life, stoopid.

""so are you guys saying that al Q in iraq has no link whatsoever to the al Q that attacked us?""

I think a more pertinent question would be: Do you think that our being in Iraq significantly reduces the chances that Al Quaeda will attack within the US?

That is the reasoning that they expected us to accept as justification for spending 2 trillion dollars and sacrificing 3700 soldiers..so far.
Some people have accepted the logic for their own reasons and have not even allowed themselves to really consider the logic of the claim.
Once you really examine the logic of that claim the rest of the reasons for our being in Iraq become just as meaningless.

so are you guys saying that al Q in iraq has no link whatsoever to the al Q that attacked us?

Yes. Al Qaeda had virtually no presence in Iraq under Saddam Hussein. For self-preservation, Saddam would not tolerate Islamist extremists. The perpetrators of 9/11 were Saudi, the funding came from Saudi Islamists, and Al Qaeda trained in Afghanistan and used that country as its home.

Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. He had some links to terror in Israel -- I think he paid the families of Palistenian suicide bombers to reward their "martyrdom" -- but none to Al Qaeda.

"We give Al Queda power in Iraq by being there. We haven't shown any ability to get rid of them. If we leave, it is likely the Iraqis won't want them around anymore"

-Sully

true.... not really true.... true they won't want them around, but will they be able to thwart their influence?

and yes we give al Q power/training grounds by being there, but if we leave, it will give them even more power most likely no?

Doc,

no, significant, many sources, defined by ideology and financial/directional connection to base. yes no head, but overall influence and support can be alleviated.
the last line didn't make much sense.

I think a more pertinent question would be: Do you think that our being in Iraq significantly reduces the chances that Al Quaeda will attack within the US?

-danni

i think it does reduce the chances of an attack within the US in the short run because their attention is to attack us their where its geographically easier for them. however, in the long run, IF we don't thwart their efforts in iraq, then iraq will have been a training ground and a future base of operations to be used for attacks on the homeland.

rcade, that is all true of course. it was a very big mistake for us to unleash our military might on iraq. but this is also all in the past as saddam's iraq is a place that no longer exists.

God speaks English.

That would be funny, but it's so damn sad.

iraq today is a country in transition with no defined future... ie its up for grabs. now we can either bail out on the mess we've created or we can stay now that the going has gotten tough and try to shape the future of the country.

some folks here such as northguy and esp deathspud have mentioned some half/half ideas. half/half meaning kinda pulling out but keeping a limited number of troops in specific target areas etc.

these are ideas i would like to discuss and think our gov should be... instead of continuing an all or nothing back and forth political bullshit. we all pretty much want the same thing in the end, we just have various ideas of the best way of achieving that end. neither extreme's work: ie full withdrawal, or troop surging.

""IF we don't thwart their efforts in iraq, then iraq will have been a training ground and a future base of operations to be used for attacks on the homeland.""

Utter nonsense. Just what training is needed to be a terrorist in America???
You guys kill me with your convoluted lack of logic. The CIA says there are probably more Al Quaeda in America right now than before 9-11. Chertoff has a gut feeling. We are still in Iraq.

""iraq today is a country in transition with no defined future... ie its up for grabs.""
Yeah, sure it is. It is up for grabs by Iran and Saudi Arabia or by the Shia majority but it is definitely not available to Al Quaeda, a Sunni terrorist group despised by Shia and recently by Sunni as well. If Americans were not in Iraq right now Al Quaeda would be the main target of both Sunni and Shia when they aren't busy killing each other.
We are in Iraq to secure the oil, nothing else. Some righties these days try to justify our occupation on that basis which is a little more honest but still a foolish reason to be there considering the cost (but not to those who will eventually profit) in $$$ and lives.
Our involvement in Iraq has nothing to do with the "war on terror."

Yodar013

As soon as you figure out who "them" is, let us know. How do you know who to shoot? Who are you waiting for to give up. What goal do you see us attaining in Iraq and how do you see us attaining it? How do you know who "them" is?

danni, i'm not so sure of that outcome. that would be ideal but i think there could also be ethnic cleansing of the sunni by sadr, iran and the shia. with that controlled killing, al Q would have a large base with which to spread their influence. the saudis may want to get involved as sunnis are killed en mass.
if part of our involvment in iraq is to thwart the influence of al Q in that country, how is that not fighting the "war on terror" aka war on islamic extremeism.

we are in iraq to secure the oil and to bring about a stable democracy in the ME that would be best for the iraqi people.

bob, good Qs. it is very difficult for our soldiers to discern who is part of al Q and who isn't. the sunni tribal leaders have and would have to help us a great deal in pinpointing who is connected and who isn't. there is also financial flows, we follow that. u shoot whoever is shooting our soldiers, we've done this in many countries as a peacekeeper.... simply shoot whoever is trying to attack you. ie initial attacks done by the US must have solid evidence behind them.

the goal i see us attaining in iraq would be a stable democracy in the heart of the ME. as well as perminant US bases... strategically lined next to iran. (part of the reason we went in the first place). that country being a stable one would entail free market flows of oil coming out of it. a fair distribution of oil wealth to ALL the people of iraq. etc etc. it won't be easy nor quickly. and of course, my disclaimer, we should have never bothered with such an endeavor in the first place. but we started it, and i think we should finish it.

Yodar013

Except for the 655,000 that didn't make it to the final round.

Except we don't know who to shoot.

Except the Iraqis don't want democracy, they want religious rule---that is what they voted for or have you forgotten already.

We haven't done so hot on the oil either---filled your tank recently?

The one sure thing about Iraq is that whatever happens the United States will be marginalized in the whole area unless we keep a huge military presence there in all those bases and that huge embassy in Iraq.

That will be Bush's legacy which future Presidents will have to deal with because it's for sure that this bozo -- and by extension America, while he's around -- has no clue and no credibility.

bob, if we get to the final round, they will be back, be sure of that.

again, we shoot only (for the most part) those that shoot at us./ plant ieds for us.
a democracy doesn't have to be secular.

i take the subway. and thats not an indicator, the fact that oil markets haven't spiked means that we haven't done that horrible either.

I find it Hilarious. You can label people in Iraq AL Qaeda all day long doesn't make them Al Qaeda now does it?? Bunch of shit to stir up Dubya's base that is it. Hey doesn't Al Qaeda stand for The Base and if so Doesn't Dubya always say this is My Base?? Maybe He is fighting against Himself. You know a Self Masturbatory War.

Larry

This is not a defense of Bush, who twists things around like every politician ...... however, as a matter of clarity he says that Al Quaida in Iraq is motivated by the same hatred of America as the 9/11 gang.

He does not say that Al Quaida in Iraq committed the 9/11 attacks.

You may now go back to twisting the facts to suit your bias

"simply shoot whoever is trying to attack you. ie initial attacks done by the US must have solid evidence behind them."


Ah---it's that simple is it? So they shoot at you, then you shoot at them. See any problem with that? Any problem at all? Put yourself in Iraq--you've got a nice gun. Now see yourself walking down the street. Now feel a bullet severing your spine. Now shoot back. See any problems--I mean other than they get to pick when to shoot, and get the first shot---and if they miss, all they have to do is walk away and blend with the crowd. Good plan---it has worked so well for 3600 of our troops and 20,000 wounded.

Yodar013

The 655,000 won't be back unless you can bring back dead Iraqis.

...the last line didn't make much sense.
Posted by Yodar013 at 2007-07-13 10:51 AM | Reply

Well, you're spot on there, Yodar, because I couldn't make heads or tails out of anything in your post.

Sad isn't it? Bush has to harken back to his biggest fuck-up to defend his current fuck-ups.
Glory days indeed. Well, maybe 5 glory minutes with a megaphone making promises he really didn't intend to keep.

And Bowa, 95% of the problem in Iraq ain't saudi funded al queda terrorists, its the militias. Like the sunni militias we're now arming and funding, cause God knows that won't end up biting us in the ass as soon as one of those weapons is found to have killed an American soldier or Iraqi cop or even a shia or kurd militia member.

""Nearly 80% of suicide bombers are foreign fighters," states the report, gainsaying armchair generals who bellow the U.S. is mired in nothing but an Iraqi civil war and who fail to get that Tehran and Damascus are warring on the West by proxy."

Suicide bombers are the small percentage of attacks against the US, barely visible on any scale.

One wonders if the poster is being disingenious or merely ignorant here?

iraq today is a country in transition with no defined future... ie its up for grabs. now we can either bail out on the mess we've created or we can stay now that the going has gotten tough and try to shape the future of the country.

Posted by Yodar013




pssst yoda, the iraqis dont want us there, see how they are attacking us?

""we are in iraq to secure the oil and to bring about a stable democracy in the ME that would be best for the iraqi people""

YODAR puhleeeeez! I have three letters for you PSA.

""He does not say that Al Quaida in Iraq committed the 9/11 attacks.""

No, he just pretends that the Al Quaeda who did the 9-11 attack was connected to Saddam.

""We are fighting the same group responsible for 9/11 in Iraq and Afghanistan.""

Oh, cuz our news media refers to them as Al Quaeda??? You don't have any idea who Al Quaeda in Iraq even is, much less if there is any real connection between them and the Al Quaeda of 9-11. These are terrorist groups, most of which arent't connected in any way as the bombings in Brittain are showing. It is pretty hard for Al Quaeda, in a cave in Pakistan to direct a virtual military battle in Iraq.

Bowa---The people who attacked us are dead. Other than those people--Osama Bin Laden is the only other person who attacked us on 911. No one in Iraq has any responsibility to 911. To say they do is sheer stupidity, but expected from you. If you want to get the financial people--they aren't in Iraq either. they are Saudis---let's kill half a million of them just like we've killed half a million Iraqis so you can feel safe. No one in Iraq ever attacked us or has any responsibility to 911. There is a minimum presence of AQ in Iraq anyway, and I doubt they were even members in 2001. To hold them accountable for 911 would be like holding the American Nazis of today as being responsible for the deaths of 6 million Jews.

"my disclaimer, we should have never bothered with such an endeavor in the first place. but we started it, and i think we should finish it."

YEAH!


Unfortunately for you sweetheart, the Bush administration has been a regular clinic on how NOT to get something finished. In summation ---- it's already over you tool!


"free market flows of oil coming out of it. a fair distribution of oil wealth to ALL the people of Iraq"

Yup, so when was the last time you enjoyed a "fair distribution of oil wealth" from the oil pumped right out from under your own continent?

""Nearly 80% of suicide bombers are foreign fighters,"

So, first the suicide bombers are killing far more Iraqis than anyone else and second, how is our presence there really stopping suicide bombers???
Israel has been trying to stop suicide bombers for years til they finally just built walls to keep all Palestinians out unless they were searched, IDed, etc.
Are we going to try to enforce that kind of security in Iraq...if we are we will need a lot more than 200,000 troops.

bob, i didn't mean to trivialize death when i said 'simply'. its not ideal, but its the only opion we really have.

and sorrya botu the 665K, i thought you were referring to a recent number of refugees somewhere that left iraq. but i don't understand how you can sit there and use dead iraqis as a reason for us to leave.... do you really think that the iraqi citizen will be safer with us gone?

-please don't pull a reid on that last Q.

Unfortunately for you sweetheart, the Bush administration has been a regular clinic on how NOT to get something finished. In summation ---- it's already over you tool!

-redneck

come'on sweety, you know i don't support this admin.

"He does not say that Al Quaida in Iraq committed the 9/11 attacks.

You may now go back to twisting the facts to suit your bias"

Posted by vernon

"The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq," he said, "were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th"
-GWB

"true they won't want them around, but will they be able to thwart their influence?"

How many foreign members of Al Queda are in Iraq? A few hundred would be a generous estimate. Do you think a few hundred foreign fighters have any chance of surviving in Iraq if the Iraqis don't want them there? I don't.

"and yes we give al Q power/training grounds by being there, but if we leave, it will give them even more power most likely no?"

I don't know. I think there is a good chance that the Iraqis will throw them out. These Sunni and Shia death squads are all about control of Iraq's resources. They don't want foreigners of any kind moving in and jeopardizing their ability to profit off those wells. That is what the sectarian violence in Iraq is all about: money.

If we leave and they do stay, then we more or less have the same situation we do now. Only the US is no longer paying $12 billion a month to be there and no more Americans die in Iraq senselessly.

The entire nation-building plan in Iraq was fatally flawed from the start. It was based on incredibily naive assumptions. There is no reason to keep throwing lives away over some idiot's pipe dream. Coming up with new excuses to be there can't change that.

"bob, i didn't mean to trivialize death when i said 'simply'. its not ideal, but its the only opion we really have."

No--the other option is not to have an Ameican walk down that street and feel that bullet sever his spine. Get the fuck out.



"and sorrya botu the 665K, i thought you were referring to a recent number of refugees somewhere that left iraq. but i don't understand how you can sit there and use dead iraqis as a reason for us to leave....


I bring up those dead Iraqis to counter your claim that our being there is good for the country and will save lives. Saddam didn't kill as many as have died since the war started.


"do you really think that the iraqi citizen will be safer with us gone?"

Yes, I do. But that is beside the point---let's assume that they WON'T be safer. I'm not concerned with Iraqi safety---I'm concerned with the American walking down the street waiting for that bullet. I'm concerned for American safety, not Iraqi safety. How about Darfur--do you think the citizens of Darfur would be safer if we were there? Should we go there? How about Somalia? Do you think the citizens would be safer if we went there? Get the point? I'm not concerned with the citizens of other countries more than the citizens of THIS country. I don't want to trade American lives for Iraqi safety. Especially when we aren't even making the Iraqis safer---the 655,000 proves that.


"-please don't pull a reid on that last Q."

I don't know what a reid is.

Rummy had to be replaced because Americans wouldn't buy his lies any more, now Bush has a new team to say the same things hoping that if it comes from different people we will believe it again.
I didn't believe Rummy and I don't believe these guys either.
When the head of the team is a liar then it doesn't matter who the toadies are, it's still just lies.

"We are fighting the same group responsible for 9/11 in Iraq and Afghanistan. How we came to fight them in Iraq as opposed to some other place is absolutely irrelevant --

Posted by Bowa at 2007-07-13 11:33 AM"

Unless you are an innocent Iraqi caught up in the crossfire, or the family of a dead, innocent Iraqi caught up in the crossfire. Have you no morals, Bowa? Or do only American lives count in your religion?

"we are in iraq to secure the oil and to bring about a stable democracy in the ME that would be best for the iraqi people."

typical american arrogance forcefeeding iraqi people "for their own good" while not having the first clue as to how they would like to live their lives. bush sr and jr have killed more iraqis than hussein (tons more) - is this what they meant by "liberating the iraqi people?" and by the way, how's our democracy doing? we are in iraq not to secure oil, but to steal their oil, and anyone that gets in the way gets killed. anyone that supports this is a punk period.

lefty

sometimes i think ppl miss the point

ok lets say the usa leaves on tuesday

on wednesday syria iran and turkey move in
now imagine the consequences of that..

i can hear it now..its the usa's fault for leaving......

REDNECK
that is a must see for all Americans.

I wonder what the reality deniers are goin to say about it.

thats exactly what world sentiment would end up being cheka.

have a good weekend ya'll, i'm out.

i can hear it now..its the usa's fault for leaving......

the reality is, it's the USAs fault for the mess today, and whatever mess tomorrow. there is no good alternative. the best thing to do is get out and let the situation sort itself out without our interference. cut our losses and try to redeem ourselves on the world stage. the longer we stay, the worse the situation gets. this should be clear to everyone by now

""i can hear it now..its the usa's fault for leaving......""

No it's the USA's fault for going there in the first place. Do you think we can stay there forever??? At some point we have to take our troops home, whenever that is it will be chaos. It's inevitable so how many more should die trying to prevent the inevitable???

"ok lets say the usa leaves on tuesday

on wednesday syria iran and turkey move in
now imagine the consequences of that..

i can hear it now..its the usa's fault for leaving......"

Who cares?

How many of our soldiers have to die just because you don't want idiots overseas blaming us for everything?

Grow up.

ok lets say the usa leaves on tuesday

on wednesday syria iran and turkey move in
now imagine the consequences of that..

YEAH!

Maybe like running water and some electricity! Or maybe worse ----- like an end of hostilities!

Either way, it wouldn't be US in the middle of it!

YEAH!

Highlights another interesting dilemma of ideologies for the Fake Plastics!

On one hand, they claim that using fetal stem cells is "destroying life to save life" and are adamantly, foamy at the mouth even, against it!

But at the same time, as illustrated by cheka, they believe we must continue "destroying life to save life" over there, like if we don't, someone else might come in and destroy life ---- as if there's a difference between who kills who!

Now go figure that shit! These cretins aren't even trying pull their skirts down to hide their "principles" anymore ---- there juts letting all their ugliness just hang all out now!

Bush is at a bar.

After striking up a conversation he asks the guy where he went to school, the other guy answers 'Yale'.

To which Bush responds in a very loud voice, "WHERE DID YOU GO TO SCHOOL?!!"

on wednesday syria iran and turkey move in
now imagine the consequences of that..


Iran is already in doofus. They were "working" in Basra one step behind the Brits.They were invited in by the shia and kurds who have a long history of working with them.

Turkey-if and when Turkey goes after the kurdish terrorists, it won't matter if we're there or not. If we're there, we'll either aid the Turks or stand aside.
Or do you want US troops supporting terrorists in Iraq?
Syria? Give me a break. I did notice you didin't mention saudis or Jordanian sunni fundamantalists, although, in truth, Bush has been allowing saudis to fund and join sunni jihadists for a long time in Iraq.

Bush Keeps Linking 9/11 Attacks to Iraq's Al Qaeda
A chain may link a boat to an anchor, but the boat is still a boat, and the anchor is still an anchor.

Yeah but what if we leave and then aliens land in Iraq and then join forces with Al Quaeda and then take over the world...huh Northguy???? Huh????

Delusional. That is the only word to describe what is going on. AQ had no presence in Iraq before 9/11 , Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction, the man responsible for 9/11 is not being sought after and is probably in Pakistan under safe haven while the US pays Pakistan around 5 billion dollars a month. In Bush own words he said he doesn't lose sleep about OBL and when we want to go after AQ targets in Pakistan Mushareff says no.

The problem with Bush is one needs charisma when pushing propaganda, so no matter how many times Bush says something it is never believed because he has NO charisma.

Is it any wonder that 41% think Saddam was involved in 9-11?

POTUS? Lose the T and the U and you've just described Bush.

---and is probably in Pakistan under safe haven---


*Probably*... but still no proof is offered whatsoever.

I love how these lawmakers get all hot and bothered (I know it is an act..LOL) about Pakistan giving Al-Qaeda a "safe haven" without quoting ANY proof.

When they can release sat-pics of Pakistan's nuclear plants on the internet, I'm sure they can release a pic or two of these "camps on the Pak-Afghan border" I keep hearing about.

"There are WMDs in Iraq! Un-named intelligence sources say so!" Yeah. LOL



----US pays Pakistan around 5 billion dollars a month. ---


We should be getting a lot more money. This is too little.

Americans are stingy.

FF Tosser!

Homie Been Laiden been screwing on da beaches with his Harem. Been Laiden won't be found cause the Bush possie protects their friends more than they protect their Country. Just the way it is with the Bush's

Larry

Bush Keeps Linking 9/11 Attacks to Iraq's Al Qaeda

What a moron. A guy who didn't even know the difference between Shiite and Sunni before we invaded can't be trusted as a link between anything - well, maybe chimps and spoiled arrogant frat boys.

Also, since Bush is talking about Al Qaeda, whatever happened to the tough guy who mad a solemn vow, 'we'll go after any country that harbors terrorists"

Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are permitted to operate freely in Pakistan - a country we've been giving $5 Billion dollars a year to to help counter terrorism.

Bush is a wimp and a liar.

----What a moron. A guy who didn't even know the difference between Shiite and Sunni before we invaded----


Many moons ago, when the Chimp was just starting out... "who is the President of Pakistan?"

"Aaaa.. General... ummm... General" .

Lookit him now. Calls Mushi every other day.

Chimpy learns on the job. Don't underestimate him.
----------------------

When Chimpy came to Pakistan, we didn't give him any chicken because of bird-flu scare at the time.

"I get it! The bird flew! But where did it fly to?"

Genius.

---Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are permitted to operate freely in Pakistan----


No.. Taliban are permitted to operate freely in a tiny area, not AlQaeda.

But we have started to realize, that might have been a mistake.

(Taliban are not the same as AlQaeda)


---we've been giving $5 Billion dollars a year to to help counter terrorism.---


It's still a lot less than the ass-wiping you do for Israel.

Pay us more money than what you pay to shitty little Yahoodistan (Isreal) than maybe you will get different results. LOL



---Bush is a wimp and a liar.---


No.. he's a Chimp.

oversimplified the nature, the article says....lol...If they are not exclusively battling one of many Bin Laden's little clans, it's oversimplified and being used to continue to help rebuild Iraqi's security so the troops could then leave, that's the objective...One the other hand, if the President doesn't mention it, we would wonder why...lol

"Taliban are not the same as AlQaeda"

They were using the same training facilities, living together and fighting side by side in the same foxholes for years before the US invasion.

I'm sure they have nothing to do with one another now.

They're Muslims George!!--just call these assholes out for who they are!

Its okay to admit it--besides its accurate

---I'm sure they have nothing to do with one another now.----


Perhaps. But one must remember the important difference... Taliban are locals... AlQaeda are foreign.

Look it up. Pathans don't like Arabs or Uzbeks in their midst.

Pathans (or Pushtoons or Pukhtoons or Toons) are Pakistani-Afghans.... same race as the Afghani-Afghans, but on steroids.

And far more xenophobic.

Point is, whenever there is a difference, it can be exploited... if someone wishes to exploit it.

This is exactly what the peace deal between the govt. of Pak and the Taliban tried to do. Leave the Taliban in peace IF they shoot AlQaeda for us.

It worked.

For a while.

Now we have to to go back and fix it a little (because of this goddam Red Mosque thingy).

"goddam Red Mosque"

Anybody who blows the shit out a house of superstition can't be all bad.

---Anybody who blows the shit out a house of superstition can't be all bad.----


Thank you... I think.

1. It was built illegally.

2. It wasn't behaving like a Mosque.

"It's still a lot less than the ass-wiping you do for Israel.

Pay us more money than what you pay to shitty little Yahoodistan (Isreal) than maybe you will get different results. LOL"

If you lot could produce a fraction of what this "shitty little Yahoodistan" contributes to the world, perhaps you wouldn't still be be in the fucking 7th century murdering "dishonorable" wives eh?

Sad to see you just can't shake the anti semitism from your souls, can you?
On the one hand you all claim its about Israel and Zionists and never Jews, but the fact is its about Jews and the fucking intolerance in so much of the Islamic world.

The use of a certain sort of language like what you've used does NOTHING to advance peaceful coexistance, but of course that would be nothing new considering the chaos and killing the Islamists perpetrate all over the fucking world at thye drop of a dine. Can anyone say "CARfuckingTOON?

---Sad to see you just can't shake the anti semitism from your souls, can you? ----


I just said that to check if you were still alive...


---"shitty little Yahoodistan" ----

"That shitty little country"... words of a former French foreign minister.



---thye drop of a dine.---


"tyhe drop of a dine"???

What the fuck is THAT? LOL. I can see I've given you a hard-on... lets leave it there shall we?

---does NOTHING to advance peaceful coexistance---



I can coexist with you if you grow a sense of humor.

I know the Yahoodi have good comedians amongst them... why don't you try out your natural skill a little and lighten the mood? It's in your blood, boy. LOL

Hey guys... want to see me bring Jew-Boy back out of his hole?

"What the fuck is THAT? LOL. I can see I've given you a hard-on... lets leave it there shall we?" 12:11

"I know the Yahoodi have good comedians amongst them... why don't you try out your natural skill a little and lighten the mood? It's in your blood, boy. LOL"
12:16

"Hey guys... want to see me bring Jew-Boy back out of his hole?"
12:24


ahhh Who's given who a hard on ?

hahahahahah

----want to see me bring Jew-Boy back out of his hole?----


Gawd, I'm good.

"Point is, whenever there is a difference, it can be exploited... if someone wishes to exploit it."

That's how the area was exploited by European powers to begin with: turn one tribe against another. The Brits were masters of this strategy.

But there's another factor at work here: Money. Al Queda has money and the Taliban is going to need alot of money if the wantto retake Afghanistan.

Plus, in my opinion, the Taliban is as much an enemy of the US as Al Queda. They hosted Al Queda as they attacked us for years. They knew about 9/11 ahead of time. After 9/11, they said they'd fight us to the death rather than turn Al Queda members over. To me, they're an exiled foreign government who participated in unprovoked attacks against the US.

---Al Queda has money----


Not any more.

I'm being serious here now... Amreekan-insult mode OFF (only for a second)... You guys can make fun of Chimpy all you like. What he has done to tighten illegal money flows (Havala, Hundi... easy to look up) has been very successful.

Pakistan is now the third fastest growing economy in Asia (does that mean in the world? don't know) after China and India... and one big reason for that is people using the banking system instead of illegal and non-regular means to send and/or invest money.

Now *everything* leaves a trail.

Bottom line, it's harder for AlQaeda.. not impossible, of course, but much much harder.

Yeah you're real good Paki boy

Tosser - You forgot to turn Amereekan insult mode back on at the end of the last post.

I might not be turning it on for a while... my Yahoodi-insult mode is still making waves.

See above.

Have you heard those MiddleEastern (arab/jew) women make that horrible sound?

lalalalalalalalala....? See Mr.Castrato-witz go "LOLOLOL".

One can't escape one's blood, I guess.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Joseph Goebbels.

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"A lie told often enough becomes truth"
Vladimir Lenin.