Yeah and it snowed in Miami Beach once too!

Difficult to assign to much significance to any climactic anomaly. It is only within the context of strange weather occurrences worldwide that this story takes on a more ominous meaning.

it snowed in Miami Beach

Miami was known for it's white outs in the 80's.

12-21-12 is coming:-)

All this snow! Must be global warming!

Vernon-
Must also be an an idiot wind of those who confuse isolated anecdotes with science, and the obvious verifiable trends!!

(Or have you not received the Limbaugh letter recently. The current stance of reactionary ideological idiots is that there is global warming -- because at this point it's stupid to attempt to deny it -- but that it's caused by, um, volcanoes and the sun, or something like that)

Get with it, Vernon.

but all-powerful mankind is definately responsible? Was mankind also responsible for the mini ice-age that was the dark ages, too? Or the even warmer weather that was before that? Dare anyone question man's responsibility for the religion of Global Warming???

IVO--I bet you wish you knew wtf you were talking about from time to time don't you? Wouldn't it make life so much easier if you had a clue about anything?

I guess rather than think about solving the problem you are satisfied with assigning blame and waiting for the glaciers.

If you think mankind can't affect the environment, I suggest you read up on Easter Island---then go out in your garage, start your car, close the door---and contemplate how humans can't affect the atmosphere---think about how billions of tons of pollution poured into the atmosphere year after year couldn't possibly have any effect---not any more than a car in a garage. Think about it a long time.

think about how billions of tons of pollution poured into the atmosphere year after year couldn't possibly have any effect


Time for the Man-Made-Global-Warming cause to find a new champion?

Al and his pals spew their fair share of pollution. How many metric assloads of carbon and other pollutants did they release into the atmosphere with their little shindigs this weekend?

Oh and Bob. I really love how you want to deny anyone who disagrees with you the rights to Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness. You're my fucking hero.


All this snow! Must be global warming!


Come on man, didn't you see that movie? First there will be gigantic storms and ginormous (it's in the dictionary now, officially a word) chunks of ice falling from the sky. Then, New York City will be hit with a storm surge that dwarfs skyscrapers. Then, it'll get super cold and freeze all the water and a new ice-age will begin.

"Was mankind also responsible for the mini ice-age that was the dark ages, too? Or the even warmer weather that was before that? Dare anyone question man's responsibility for the religion of Global Warming???"

Posted by ivo

We must separate Earth and State

Happy extinction.
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The CO2 level raised 32 parts per million in 19 years! Good lord! The total percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere went from 0.000350% to 0.000382%!!!! Over a scant 19 years!!!!!!

It's clearly Armageddon.

Then, New York City will be hit with a storm surge that dwarfs skyscrapers. Then, it'll get super cold and freeze all the water and a new ice-age will begin.

Posted by Axiom at 2007-07-11 06:35 AM | Reply

I'm willing to give up New York, just to make sure

If you think mankind can't affect the environment, I suggest you read up on Easter Island---then go out in your garage, start your car, close the door---

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2007-07-11 03:36 AM | Reply

Geez. 100% horseshit. Easter Island was an ISLAND. Hence the name. The people who lived there were living in the stone age. Their highest technology was a crude hammer.

But they did drive Hummers, and that made all the difference.

For Pete's sake...don't tell Bufy that. His mental state is not stable as it is and now he'll be spending HOURs looking for a link. Have you no pity on the handicapped?

Geez. 100% horseshit. Easter Island was an ISLAND. Hence the name. The people who lived there were living in the stone age. Their highest technology was a crude hammer.Posted by vernon at 2007-07-11 10:08 AM

YEAH!

Shallow Person Translation = They didn't have Air Conditioning.

Anyway, what you failed to grasp about all this was that their "highest technology" being the crude hammer you described, changed their environment to a point they couldn't survive there any longer! A glaringly obvious point missed by you.

Another striking example of ignorance on your part, when scientist, researchers, and architects model systems, new designs or culture organisms, say for vaccines, flood control, architectural stability, new technologies and such, they do so on an Island ----- and Island called a "Lab"! And what happens in the lab can be extrapolated out --- it's called prototyping.
Easter Island is, thru extrapolation, a very good model of how humans and their actions impact their surroundings!

I feel sorry for you vern --- you seem to lack the most basic analytical skill present in most grade school kids!

but all-powerful mankind is definately responsible? Was mankind also responsible for the mini ice-age that was the dark ages, too? Or the even warmer weather that was before that? Dare anyone question man's responsibility for the religion of Global Warming???

Posted by ivo

Wow, the climate changes without being affected by man's actions therefore man's actions do not affect the climate.

Brilliant!!!!

People get killed by lightning, therefore if I electrocute someone then I couldn't have electrocuted them because lightning does that.

All this snow! Must be global warming!


Given that severe and extreme weather changes are predicted to be part of climate change, probably. Go ask the radicals at the Pentagon or UK Ministry of Defense. Those tree-huggers are all over climate change.

But it is funny that the same Mission Accomplished/no global warming Bushies and dittoheads are now saying Mission Might Eventually Get Accomplished and Global Warming is real but we can't do anything about it.

I guess reality flows like molasses in the rightworld.

Vernon

"Geez. 100% horseshit. Easter Island was an ISLAND. Hence the name. The people who lived there were living in the stone age. Their highest technology was a crude hammer."

Earth is an island---just a lot bigger Island than Easter Island. Easter Island's 63 square miles were covered with trees. The Islanders chopped down every tree, collapsing their religion, their society, and their population, plunging them into perpetual war.

"Oh and Bob. I really love how you want to deny anyone who disagrees with you the rights to Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness. You're my fucking hero."

Sorry---I can't be your new hero. I don't deny anyone the right to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. No one has those rights. How about you? Do you have the Right to Life? Its not even in our Constitution. Where did you get it from? Do you think you will live forever?

How about Liberty? Where did you get the right to Liberty from? What does Liberty Mean? You can work and go home. Can you fly to anyplace in the world and stay at the best hotels and eat the best foods and drive the best cars? Or are you free to dream about those things?

Where did you get the Right of Pursuit of Happiness? Does that mean you can stalk your ex girlfriend? Does that mean you can smoke a joint with no problems in a police station?

Nobody has those rights. Nobody has the Right to Life--not you not me--not bush. We will all die.

All this snow! Must be global warming!
Posted by vernon at 2007-07-11 12:00 AM


YEAH!

Only a Fake Plastic is amazed by cold/snow ----- in winter!

You do know its winter down there don't you?

I know, stupid question --- of course you didn't know!

"And what happens in the lab can be extrapolated out --- it's called prototyping."

Ahhh, Buffy...the computers and the labs can't even predict next week's weather to any degree of certainty. The "scientists" can control input into the computers and the lab experiments. However, they CAN'T control things like sunspots, El Nino, Mt Pinatubo, Hurricane Katrina etc, etc. NATURE, it's NATURE, Buffy. Man's effect on global warming is minimal. However, if it makes you and your little friends feel better, I did buy a SMALLER RV this week and I've been cutting down on exhaling. I'll still have to tow my SUV behind the RV though.

"And what happens in the lab can be extrapolated out --- it's called prototyping."

Buffy...I owe you a big apology. That last post should have been directed to REDNECKVILLE, that other envirowacko.

Jestgettingalong

I see--all those scientists wih all their education and million dollar computers know nothing, and you know everything because you got a third grade education. Just because you are the smartest in your family, don't think the rest of the world will be impressed by your ignorance.

There's a lot of differing data about global warming, but as far as I can gather, over the last hundred years the temperature on this planet has gone up 1.8 degrees.

Am I the only one who finds that amazingly stable?

I could futz with the thermostat for three to four hours. I would not detect that difference.

All this snow! Must be global warming!
Posted by vernon at 2007-07-11 12:00 AM

Say it with me "Global Climate Change".

Reading about those chinese hogs filled with raw sewage helps me appriciate vegetables like you. ;]

Jestgettinalong

Yep we should close all the colleges---close all the highscholls---close all the grade schools---throw away all the books---throw away all the computers---and listen to a moron like you.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Tell that to your grandchildren when they are dying in your front yard.

"Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. No one has those rights"

Some believe that the power to deny rights proves rights do not exist. To them, might makes right. If your not the mighty, your the slaves.

it amazes me that none of you want to even consider the possibility that these changes could possibly, just possibly, be happening regardless of mankind. I disagree with your point of view, therefore I need to 1)kill myself, as a clearly compassionate reader suggested, or 2)bugger off, because none of you want to hear a dissenting opinion...

very open-minded of you all. way to think 'out of the box.'

Geez. 100% horseshit. Easter Island was an ISLAND. Hence the name. The people who lived there were living in the stone age. Their highest technology was a crude hammer.Posted by vernon at 2007-07-11 10:08 AM

Vernon...I take it that you do not know that those statues on Easter Island were REAL PEOPLE until global warming started! Al Gore had that as the first story he posted when he invented the internet...lol!

Loonytarian

"Some believe that the power to deny rights proves rights do not exist"

Where do these rights you claim come from, and of what value are they if they can be taken away?

Let me number the questions for you so you don't get confused.

1. Where do the rights you claim come from?

2. What value are these rights if they can be taken away?

There's a lot of differing data about global warming, but as far as I can gather, over the last hundred years the temperature on this planet has gone up 1.8 degrees.
Am I the only one who finds that amazingly stable?
I could futz with the thermostat for three to four hours. I would not detect that difference.
Posted by Lee_Atwater at 2007-07-11 11:31 AM

It's the already frozen gasses that are dangerous when released. The more that the poles are exposed to solar radiation, temperature and temperate weather changes the more hydroflorocarbons are released which precipitate the blanket of ultra-light gasses causing the greenhouse effect everywhere. The Serbian permafrost, most mountains and high-altitude glaciers and snowpacks are thawing rapidly.

Parts that we can change are how we contribute to this chain of events. China is releasing so much waste I'm surprised that the US hasn't instituted a co-supportive waste management system to generate new economic resources.

Hey Vern,

Unlike your political and religious beliefs nature is not so straight forward as warming=everything warmer cooling=everything cool.

I know it would make you sleep easier if it was this way but its not.

For example if the polar ice cap melts due to global warming then Ireland and Britain become frozen. Why my simple minded friend? Because they are at the same latitude as Alaska. (if you ever travel outside the US to England in the summer you will notice it does not get true dark.) The Gulf Stream keeps them warm. But if the ice cap melts then all that cold fresh water will sit on top of the Gulf Stream turning Merry Olde England into a winter wonder land while the US roasts.

Confusion time is over you can go back to your bible.

"Wow, the climate changes without being affected by man's actions therefore man's actions do not affect the climate.

Brilliant!!!!"

Given that nothing has been proven either way, isn't believing that global warming could only be caused by humans equally ridiculous as believing humans couldn't possibly affect climate?

"Wow, the climate changes without being affected by man's actions therefore man's actions do not affect the climate.

Brilliant!!!!"

Given that nothing has been proven either way, isn't believing that global warming could only be caused by humans equally ridiculous as believing humans couldn't possibly affect climate?

"1. Where do the rights you claim come from?"

By deffinition, they come from nowhere.

"2. What value are these rights if they can be taken away?"

The same value as if they were not.

In practice though, people generally value their rights less while they have them, and more while they don't.

Loonytarian

So the rights you claim pop into existence when needed, and have no value. I would say that the people in the showers at Birkenau had those rights. They popped into existence a little late.

No thanks--I'll take the rights given to me by the US Constitution. Those rights keep people out of poison gas showers----so far.

BB,

The constitution doesn't grant any rights, it only protects them. The rights existed before the constitution was constructed. That's why the ninth reads, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

The constitution depends on the premise that the people had the right to consent to government. Otherwise our constitution could not exist.

"So the rights you claim pop into existence when needed, and have no value."

They don't "pop" into existence when needed. They simply are.

"I would say that the people in the showers at Birkenau had those rights."

Exactly! Now you get it. Taking their lives only deprived them of a right, it didn't strip them of it. That's why we punished the nazi's after the war for "Human RIGHTS violations" and war crimes.

ivo

"it amazes me that none of you want to even consider the possibility that these changes could possibly, just possibly, be happening regardless of mankind. I disagree with your point of view, therefore I need to 1)kill myself, as a clearly compassionate reader suggested, or 2)bugger off, because none of you want to hear a dissenting opinion...

very open-minded of you all. way to think 'out of the box.'

Posted by ivo at 2007-07-11 02:15 PM"


I would invite you to think outside of the box and actually read something. You may be surprised to find out that the data includes normal rising in temperature from such things as a hotter sun---such things as historical changes going back tens of thousands of years---where do you think the "Look how the temperature fluctuated in the past" people get their information? They get it from the researchers who are saying mankind is a factor in global warming. No one is saying mankind is the only factor, and only someone who has read nothing or only one side would think such a thing.

Even at that, you miss the point. It isn't about whose fault it is, the point is what are we going to do about it. So far the only answer is point fingers and go extinct.

Wait until the term "Frozen Methane" becomes a phrase everyone knows

"So far the only answer is point fingers and go extinct."

You're an eternal optimist BB ;)

"Wait until the term "Frozen Methane" becomes a phrase everyone knows"

Wait until you're late in life and looking back at all the things that DIDN'T happen. But you were certain they would. Don't feel upset or bad. Everyone will experience the same thing. Regardless of which side their on.

"That's why we. punished the nazi's after the war for "Human RIGHTS violations" and war crimes."
Posted by loonytarian

YEAH!


When you say "punish the nazi's" you mean Gave Them a Job don't you!

So much for global warming...


We are going to a mini ice age--

Better to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

But we have politicians who don't give a shit--they are too busy with hearings to no where!

Murphy

Uh, Murphy;



It's Winter there.
Buy a clue at the next Jack In The Box, OK?

I am ALL ready for a mini ice age. I have enough blubber to last 3 Years. AT LEAST, I ain't worried.

Larry

July 7th the Earth was at aphelion - the farthest point from our Sun.