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Sunday, July 08, 2007

A secret 2005 mission to capture senior al Qaeda members in Pakistan's tribal areas was aborted at the last moment when Bush administration officials decided it was too risky and could jeopardize relations with Pakistan, The New York Times reported Saturday. Citing intelligence and military officials, including a former senior intelligence official involved in the planning, the Times said in a story posted on its Web site that the target was a meeting of al Qaeda leaders. That conference was thought by intelligence officials to have included Ayman al-Zawahri, Osama bin Laden's top deputy, who was believed to run the group's operations, it said.

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Yeah, getting the guys who attacked us on 9-11 isn't worth the lives of US soldiers, but invading a country that had nothing to do with 9-11 is worth the lives of 3600 US soldiers.

Would someone explain this logic to me because I am at a total loss here.





"And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation in every region now has a decision to make: Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime." -- George W. Bush, 9/20/01

Bullshit!

PS for all the uninformed both this aborted mission and Bush's statement are AFTER September 11, 2001.

actually i feel that rummy might have been right on this one....if and i say if...

a small operation suddenly turned into this mindbogglin morass of every service wishing to get involved,,,then on that very narrow view i gotta agree with rummy

other than that caveat then we should have just bombed the crap out of them

Incompetence all around.

I bash Clinton for all the times he passed on capturing/killing Osama Bin Laden and many more from Al Qaeda, so I'm here to bash Bush and Rumsfeld for this unbelievable mistake. I don't know what the fuck they are/were thinking in regards to Pakistan, but its getting very frustrating that there is one country that doesn't seem to apply to any of the mandates from Bush...

We know where Bin Laden and the leadership of Al Qaeda is... we should take every last soldier, the entire coalition from Afghanistan and invade that area of Pakistan and get them.

However now there are some interesting things going on in Pakistan:
www.msnbc.msn.com and we've been sending troops in there occasionally over the past few months

Maybe Musharref is starting to crack down on a lot of the radical clerics in his nation so that we can start operating without the whole country going into revolt.

Still though, the Bush administration made a glaring mistake by not authorizing this mission.

And all the righties pissed on Clinton for doing the same thing, before 9-11 changed everything.

It's probably a nice enough day the Bushies can bbq their crow today, but having a steady diet of it has got to suck.

other than that caveat then we should have just bombed the crap out of them

Posted by cheka


See that's what i've been thinking now. Why did it need to be troops going in at all? Why not a single bomber with a full payload... just kill them. Rumsfeld was a terrible SecDef... theres's no denying that.

And all the righties pissed on Clinton for doing the same thing, before 9-11 changed everything.


Don't throw out the "9/11 changed everything" bullshit argument that tries to justify Clinton's passing on many opportunities to take out the Al Qaeda leadership.

We pissed on clinton because he was wrong, and his inaction allowed Al Qaeda to grow stronger and more daring, leading up to 9/11 attacks. And now I'm here pissing on Bush and Rumsfeld because they made the exact same mistake allowing them to live, and plot more attacks.

Dubya has more loyalty to the Bin laden Family than He does for the United States You aught to know that by now.

Larry

Oh and Clinton actually TRIED to get Bin Laden but everyone condemned Him saying He was waging the Dog. So don't even go there.

Larry

Oh and Clinton actually TRIED to get Bin Laden but everyone condemned Him saying He was waging the Dog. So don't even go there.


Oh I'll fucking go there... I'll go there, put up a tent and camp out for months big guy...

The Sudan offered to hand him over to us Clinton said no.

At least 3 seperate occasions in between 98 and 2000 where the CIA had him but was told to take no action by the White House

www.timesonline.co.uk

They include at least three further occasions in Afghanistan between 1998 and 2000 when the CIA had Bin Laden in its sights but was prevented from acting. There were divisions between the agency and the White House over who would have the authority to fire and the legality of killing the Al-Qaeda leader

i totally understand the reasoning for not going in...would it be my desicion to do nothing at all...NO...i would at least bomb it when the opprtunity presented itself....risking our battlefield in afganistan is not worth straining relations with pakistan.. by conducting spec ops in country without permission...the mission at best was a gamble...good call on our part

Rob The A Hole... full of Amreekan piss and vinegar....

Kid.. your American Hollywood scenarios don't apply to Pakistan. When you get to deal with us (Pakistan), the Bullshit stops here.

For the record, from just after 9-11, there have been a few dozen American troops operating here. They are communication people... they give us satellite intelligence... things like that.

Second, this idiot plan you speak of, was vetoed by Musharaf himself. He said so in public.. that he told the US it wasn't going to happen as it was suicidal with zero chance of success. So Amreeka had no choice but to back off with it's tail between it's legs like a whipped dog.

End of story.

The American people have to realize that what their country and military can do in Hollywood... they can't do for real.

Anyway, there is no evidence... except the Jew York Times saying so... that Bin Ladin is in Pakistan. No pics, no nothing. No confirmations.

This just one more story of "the one that got away"... just to make the American public feel better about themselves.

Rob the A Hole sez:

---We know where Bin Laden and the leadership of Al Qaeda is---



Oh? Do you? Where is he exactly, please?

Can we see any evidence of that?


----we should take every last soldier, the entire coalition from Afghanistan and invade that area of Pakistan and get them.----



I take it you will lead this coalition from the front, General Saab? LOL


Btw, don't be stupid enough to assume, that our getting rid of our own trash has anything at all to do with the US or with AlQaeda...?.. What the fuck are YOU getting excited about?

hahahahahahahaha




Don't throw out the "9/11 changed everything" bullshit argument that tries to justify Clinton's passing...blah, balh, blah.....
-Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole



Yup, Why the Fuck didn't Clinton use the White House Time Machine.

And only a mildly inane argument defending Musharref today. No deciphering the Bush quote as not really meaning Pakistan in that quote, How disappointing.

Perhaps Jest_ will be around to give us that one.

I keep coming here just to see the general stupidity.. gullibility... and excitability... of the average American.

I am rarely disappointed.

Remove that bald eagle as your symbol. Change it to a Golden Labrador. LOL.

Woof woof woof....!!!

TOSSER...if i was UBL...my place of a nice base... would be on the borders where pakistan afganistan and iran meet



risking our battlefield in afganistan is not worth straining relations with pakistan..

This guy has to be from the White House it would be impossible to get more ridiculous.

Love it, straining our relations with a dictator. Oh I forgot he's OUR Dictator, or mostly anyway. And Hell if we actually found bin Laden where would we be than?

Ok.. just answer me one thing.

Pakistan doesn't have any money.... at least not like the Saudis. So it isn't like Bush and Co. is in cahoots with us for our money.

WHY would Bush or the American Govt. not bomb us or invade us?

WHY WHY WHY?

I know it hurts when you use your head... but try anyway.

----if i was UBL...my place of a nice base.----


THAT is called "speculation"... it is not "proof" or "confirmation".

ZAP..ok what if you plan back fires and president Musharref stops all fly over in his country...meaning...no more afganistan ...our troops would have to go home due to no supplies

They--as long as it's not me---should just bomb the living shit out of all those bastards, wherever they are, as long as it's not in my backyard. I'd like to say more, but the Mrs. promised me a ride in her new Beamer if I got the pool chlorinated and the poodles primped. Lucky me, eh, guys? Keep up the good work. And don't forget to take a bullet for me.
Bobby Arsehole

TOSSER...but non the less a being along those borders is a good place to be to plan and launch operations

----Love it, straining our relations with a dictator. ----



Not quite. You would have all of the county as your enemy... something you can't afford at this point with the poor shape you're in.



---Oh I forgot he's OUR Dictator,----


What makes him yours? LOL. It isn't like Pakistan has got any oil... so WHY?

incompetence, not. has it occurred to anyone that bush wants al qaeda running alive and well? i mean, he used it for invading afgh and iraq, and now he is using them as a means to continue on in iraq. al qaeda is bush's get-out-of-jail-free coupon

Pakistan under Musharraf has been a friend to the US, assisting us insofar as possible in our fight against the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Clearly, given the political and religious tensions in Pakistan, there are limits to how much a Musharraf government can help. It is in our best interests to avoid politically undermining Musharraf by invading or destabilizing his government through blatant aggression. That would be a perfect example of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

MODER8...GOOD POINT...well said

---but non the less a being along those borders is a good place to be to plan and launch operations----


You just don't get it.

A "maybe" isn't good enough in this game. You got to be sure.

Right now, there is NO PROOF he is in Pakistan.

----It is in our best interests to avoid politically undermining Musharraf by invading or destabilizing his government through blatant aggression.----



LOL

No. That's not it.

Why hasn't the US bombed or invaded Pakistan??? Why can we do as we please???

Why will we CONTINUE to do AS WE PLEASE???

I know, I know, I know, it hurts to use your head.... try one more time. Please.

TOSSER...you are RIGHT...i said you are right before...but if i was UBLco that is where i would be..its a good place

"its a good place"

Posted by judas

Google Earth makes me think Mars is a better place to find water.
What a tortured landscape.

----but if i was UBLco that is where i would be..----



Maybe, but that is besides the point... it is not good enough to base an operation on.

The military or a Govt. has to have proof.. which nobody has got.



---its a good place-----


Sure... like you've seen the place, yeah? LOL

I have, actually.

TOSSER... i said it was good we did not do the operation...read mt 3:05 post....but my point being that all UBL has to do is have scouts out...hug the border...if something comes up he can E&E out of their into another country...im sure forces will stop at the border and not pursue...and he has 3 countries to move around in instead of one...and i doubt all of those countries mentioned will have the will to play..FIND UBL

It seems to piss Tosser off no end that the US chooses not to invade Pakistan as a matter of US self interest. Musharraf has been a friend to the US. We will not intentionally undermine him, even if it means missing a potential opportunity to arrest an Al Qaeda leader. That is the long and short of it Tosser. Deal with it. (Or don't deal with it. I don't care.)

ZAT...thats how the desert always looks...belive it or not...you can find bedouins in the deadliest of enviorments

---We will not intentionally undermine him, even if it means missing a potential opportunity to arrest an Al Qaeda leader.----



I... everyone here.. find that VERY hard to believe.

Rubbish.

I find it hilarious that Republicans try to justify all the missed opportunities the Bush Administration has had to kill/capture Bin Laden/Taliban/Al Qaeda, by saying that Clinton missed him too ...

The Bush regime has missed scores of chances including:

www.cooperativeresearch.org

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www.cooperativeresearch.org

www.cooperativeresearch.org

www.cooperativeresearch.org

www.cooperativeresearch.org

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www.cooperativeresearch.org

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And, most of these "missed opportunities" were the result of DIRECT intervention by the Bush Administration ...

At least Clinton didn't repeatedly "LET HIM GO" after he had (allegedly) murdered 3500+ American civilians on American soil ...

Bush Doesn't want Bin Laden/Taliban/Al Qaeda Captured; what reason would he then have to invade sovereign nations to steal their energy resources while committing Genocide?

the u s has had untold chances to catch these guys. Tey do not want to

"You see Ive been through the desert on a horse with no name
It felt good to be out of the rain
In the desert you can remember your name
cause there aint no one for to give you no pain
La, la ..."

www.lyricsfreak.com

----Bush Doesn't want Bin Laden/Taliban/Al Qaeda Captured; what reason would he then have to invade sovereign nations to steal their energy resources while committing Genocide?----



That is IT!

Brilliant! Someone figured it out just as I was losing all hope....

They will make plenty of noise about it... but won't really do anything.

You will only here.. "we wre going to do THIS.. we were going to do THAT... BUT..".

Like a chicken flapping it's wings and raising lots of dust.

Don't throw out the "9/11 changed everything" bullshit argument
-posted by Rob the A Hole


We won't if Dubya won't.

They keep saying "Bin Ladin is in Pakistan" (without proof of ANY kind)... because they know they have an excuse to not invade here.. "But it will undermine Mushi... and they got nukes".

If they ever say, "Bin Ladin is in Iran", the American public will demand Iran gets flattened... it isn't like Iran can fight back. So they can't say that. Nor can they say, he is in Afghanistan (which means they admit the American military is incompetent).

LOL

It is ALL a soap opera, ladies.

MODER8... "It seems to piss Tosser off no end that the US chooses not to invade Pakistan as a matter of US self interest. Musharraf has been a friend to the US. We will not intentionally undermine him, even if it means missing a potential opportunity to arrest an Al Qaeda leader. That is the long and short of it Tosser. Deal with it. (Or don't deal with it. I don't care.)"


Wait... What happened to the old "anyone that harbors terrorists are the enemy" adage?

Pakistan IS "harboring terrorists" we should be going to war with them ... Oh, wait, no oil ... .

Never mind; it's not worth going to war to capture/kill the (alleged) mastermind of 9/11 and many of his followers ...

However, we WILL attack a sovereign nation, commit genocide and steal their oil because their long since deposed/deceased leader (Saddam) had alleged ties to the "followers" of said "mastermind" ...

I guess that is just another fine example of Republican logic "inaction" ...

Don't throw out the "9/11 changed everything" bullshit argument
-posted by Rob the A Hole


or Unkle Dick

Got on the CNN website, but couldn't return back. I had to get back onto drudge. For me, it's probably not anyones fault, but it's a good way for me to forget about it an move on.

I would say with respect to this, I guess the tough talk is just that. Frankly I would rather the US allign itself with India and let go of Pakistan.

Then bring the two countries back together under the Indian government. I think Pakistan, resorts to violence in its support of Al Qaeda and the Taliban too quickly. And their scientists are too quick to give nuclear secrets to hostile countries.

Additionally, the situation is Cashmire would not be happening without their funding od Al Qaeda in that region

Cashmire...were you making a funny?

We know where Bin Laden and the leadership of Al Qaeda is... we should take every last soldier, the entire coalition from Afghanistan and invade that area of Pakistan and get them.
-posted by Rob the A Hole


Either you need to call the Pentagon, White House and DOD with this information immediately! Or it's another righty lie.

---Pakistan IS "harboring terrorists" we should be going to war with them----



America can't, even if it wanted to.

US will never fight another nation with nukes and ballistic missiles and submarine launched cruise missiles.

If we didn't have this stuff, Pakistan would've been bombed just for the fuck of it.

Now you have to say "please?". LOL

---I would rather the US allign itself with India and let go of Pakistan.----



That's what I don't understand. Why don'tcha??? LOL

No really... do fuck off. Since we started making our own planes, submarines, nukes, reactors, missiles... what the hell do we need YOU for?

WHY are you still hanging around Pakistan? Go to India.


---And their scientists are too quick to give nuclear secrets to hostile countries.---


Pakistan has the RIGHT to sell nuclear technology to anyone we please. That is because we never signed the NPT (look it up, stupid).


---Cashmire---


LOL.

Like I said... STOOPID!

Current US policy toward Pakistan is based on the fact that the current Pakistani government is our ally. That reality seems to bother Tosser no end. There is no way we will undermine Musharraf by making some half assed effort to maybe/perhaps/hopefully capture some Al Qaeda operative. Aint gonna happen. We want Musharraf and leaders like him to remain in power. We will not feed the Islamist passions already so visible in that country by invading or flagrantly disregarding Pakistan's sovereignty. Any incursions into Pakistani territory by US forces are brief and targeted and limited to the border. Whine and dissemble as Tosser may, that is the reality.

My guess is that OBL is in the UAE, or Switzerland.

---Any incursions into Pakistani territory by US forces are brief and targeted and limited to the border.---



There are no incursions by US forces period.

What do you expect from cowards?

However much Moder8 and his kind may believe otherwise, that is the reality.

Americans are chicken. LOL

If US forces ever enter Pakistan, Mushi getting overthrown would be the least of your problems.

Bottom line... US has to say "Please" to Pakistan.

Beggars can't be choosers can they? We are all you got. Ne nice.

Oh I'll fucking go there... I'll go there, put up a tent and camp out for months big guy...

The Sudan offered to hand him over to us Clinton said no.

At least 3 seperate occasions in between 98 and 2000 where the CIA had him but was told to take no action by the White House

www.timesonline.co.uk

They include at least three further occasions in Afghanistan between 1998 and 2000 when the CIA had Bin Laden in its sights but was prevented from acting. There were divisions between the agency and the White House over who would have the authority to fire and the legality of killing the Al-Qaeda leader

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-07-08 02:47 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Still spewing the Garbage when You know better Rob. How many bloody times did Tony show You that they were going to offer Him to the Saudis and they said no. We did not have any legal authority to capture Him. or take Him. Yet You continue to spew Your shit like usual. I would get sick and tired of it after a while but You Rob don't have a case and You know it but are desperate to deflect whom You should REALLY be mad at. GET A FUCKING CLUE DUDE.

Larry

Americans often used to make this noise that they have the right of "hot pursuit".

They aren't making that noise anymore.

What happened? LOL

Point is, if anything happens to Mushi, there will be no change in Pakistan... no islamists will take over. That is just rubbish.

What will happen.. is that cooperation might end and US will be told to take a hike. They can't survive for more than a few days inside Afghanistan without Pakistan's help. So they will have to leave.

But that would be no change for US too... you are not getting results anyway.

TOSSER

Have you ever been to the U.S., and if so, where and for how long?

I will tell you why the US can't push Pakistan too far.

WE are the only source of fuel for the Taliban. At American request, we have stopped all fuel supplies to the bad guys.

It took us one month to get it under control after 9-11. It is still under tight control.

For as long as the fuel was flowing, American troops were taking a beating in Afghanistan. But not after we stopped the fuel.

THAT fuel can start again. LOL

Tosser, your passions have clouded your vision. You wish to wave the Pakistani flag and proclaim the ability of Pakistan to stand up to the US. It is a dream. Personally, I could care less about what the reality happens to be. I simply call it as the facts reflect. You, on the other hand, as a Pakistani, seem to have a personal desire to proclaim the situation to be something it is not. Whatever. It just makes it impossible to take your posts on this topic seriously.

LARRY

ROB conveniently forgets the fact that the perpetrators of the U.S.S. Cole and Kenya embassy attacks were not firmly attributed to Bin Laden until AFTER Bush took office.

What did HE do then? Removed the destroyers and subs within range of a shot at Bin Laden, and then disband the Bin Laden desk to focus on Saddam.

In other words. Zip. Zilch. Zero

TOSSER...

Though I don't believe that Bin Laden had anything to do with 9/11. And, I do believe this "War on Terror" is just another smokescreen to hide the truth: War for Oil.

I also believe that you sound like one of those kids at high school that rants about kicking ass and then runs away to his big brother the second that he is confronted...

America is afraid of Pakistan?

Yeah, and the windshield is afraid of the fly too...

As for Osama bin Ladin...

WHY would Pakistan go after him? He has NEVER broken any laws in Pakistan.

As you can see, the mullas we are killing in a madressa right now in Islamabad... THEY broke our laws. So they are being killed.

But Osama? He hasn't done anything wrong here....

TOSSER

Please respond to my 5:34 post.

---America is afraid of Pakistan?---


Show us you are not afraid instead of just talking about it.

There have been many statements from American law-makers that Pakistan must be bombed (some guy with a stupid name... "Newt").

Why don't you invade or conduct "hot pursuit"?

LOL

I am sorry... but your people in Afgahnistan will really get hurt. And we won't even have to fire at you. (I have explained how).

TOSSER

Pakistan helped us capture Sheik Omar IN Pakistan after the 1993 WTC attacks. But, perhaps you were still in grade school then and that fact slipped by you.

Bin Laden is a wanted international fugitive. THAT's why Pakistan should help the U.S. capture and bring him to justice if he's in Pakistan.

ALl American these folks don't give a shit about truth nor justice. It's all a fucking game to them. I wished like hell they would mosey on down the road cause we don't need their kind Here.

Larry

----You wish to wave the Pakistani flag and proclaim the ability of Pakistan to stand up to the US.----


No no no... you can't read Amreekan.

I said, we will let the Afghans fight you, not Pakistan. LOL


---Personally, I could care less about what the reality happens to be.----


So you live in a dream world?

How true.


---desire to proclaim the situation to be something it is not.----


Amreekan fed on garbage Amreekan media really knows what is going on in the world???

Iraq has WMD! Boo!

LOL

Buscheney isn't and Clinton wasn't interested in catching or eliminating Bin Laden. Why? Probably because the CIA created him and he's been working with/for them ever since. If he even really exists.

It is the ONLY thing that makes sense, people.

Can someone please send me the definitive, reliable link proving once for all beyond the shadow of all reasonable doubt that "Osama Bin Laden" was connected to 9/11? And the one placing him Pakistan? Anyone? Please?

Like I said... STOOPID!

Posted by Tosser at 2007-07-08 04:40 PM


Tosser, why the in the world did you choose that name? You don't know what it means, do you?

LARRY

TOSSER is most likely a young man full of the surety of his views, as most of us were at his age.

I doubt he's ever seen the U.S., but nevertheless has very firm opinions.

Some call that 'contempt prior to investigation'.

Tosser: As I said, it is impossible to take your posts on this topic seriously. But knock yourself out, - post away.

---Pakistan helped us capture Sheik Omar IN Pakistan ----


Shiek Omar broke the law. He was arrested for killing Daniel Pearl from that movie... "A Mighty Fart".


---Bin Laden is a wanted international fugitive.---


Not our concern. He has to do something naughty here.

----Have you ever been to the U.S., and if so, where and for how long?----


Have you ever been to Pakistan? And if so, where and for how long?

Papa...have you read his posts? I'd say he's very aptly named.

TOSSER

Sheikh Omar 'Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman" broke the law in the U.S. by masterminding the 1993 attack on the WTC. He's been in prison here since 1995

You have your sheikh's mixed up. And you didn't come closer to spelling it correctly than I did - which is surprising for someone from Pakistan....hmmmm

Shiek? Come on Tosser. If anyone should be able to spell this particular spelling it's you.

---TOSSER is most likely a young man---


*IF* I am a kid.... that makes it even worse, doesn't it?

Grown men being flustered by... a kid? LOL


---I doubt he's ever seen the U.S----


Well done Detective.

I have never been out of Pakistan to anywhere.

Me learn to speak goodly English reading labels on soup cans....

And I certainly have no desire to ever see the US.

But I travel the world through the internet. Around the world in 80 seconds.

TOSSER

My first of three trips to Pakistan was in 1975, when I visited Pakistan as the guest of the Sheik family. One son of this particular family of Sheik's (familiy name) was a friend of mine during my college days, and is to this day.

Now, what do you base your opinion of the U.S. on except newspapers and conjecture? Just curious.

If you've never been here, you should visit. Millions want to move here. It's a beautiful country.

---You have your sheikh's mixed up---


No, I haven't got them mixed up. I was talking about THIS guy.

news.bbc.co.uk



--Shiek? Come on Tosser. If anyone should be able to spell this particular spelling it's you.---

I don't speak Arabic. Sorry.

*IF* I am a kid.... that makes it even worse, doesn't it?

Grown men being flustered by... a kid? LOL


Flustered? No. Amused? Yes.

Hey kid. Come here for a visit. You can't know a place until you've been there and seen enough of it.

---If you've never been here, you should visit. Millions want to move here. It's a beautiful country.----



When I finally get out of Pakistan, I will try and look for some island in the Indian Ocean or the South Pacific.

I don't know what I will get out of going to Amreeka (or anywhere else).

I know one guy who went to Amreeka. He is my aunt's loser husband and he was going to jail for credit card fraud. So he went to Amreeka.

Amreeka is a famous destination for our crooks. (no extradition treaty).

---Flustered? No. Amused? Yes.----


Then keep reading. Perhaps I might amuse you further.

Big difference between 'Sheikh Omar' and 'Omar Sheikh'

I understand how you were confused though. Very similar, but the former is an Egyptian mullah who masterminded the 1993 WTC bombing and was captured in Pakistan in 1995, and the other kiiled Daniel Perle.

Still, my point about Sheikh Omar being captured in Pakistan as an international fugitive sets precedence for capturing Bin Laden and handing him over to the U.S. if he is indeed in Pakistan.

Have a good day kid.

---Now, what do you base your opinion of the U.S. on except newspapers and conjecture? Just curious.---



Through half my family (more than half my family) which IS American.

They don't have a bad thing to say about the US.

They are obviously trying to stick to me. That is the way it is in my family. We try to push each other off a cliff and hope they land head first.

---trying to stick to me----

trying to stick it to me....

---Big difference between 'Sheikh Omar' and 'Omar Sheikh'---


I told you, I'm not good with Arabic sounding names.


----Still, my point about Sheikh Omar being captured in Pakistan as an international fugitive----



He killed a guy HERE.

Bin Ladin never killed anyone HERE.

Look... we are a greedy people. If he was here, we would've sold him out for ... what is it now... $50 million?... someone would've sold him out.

As President Mushi sez in his damn book, the Govt. of Pakistan itself has collected rewards for these bastards.

---is an Egyptian mullah who masterminded the 1993 WTC bombing and was captured in Pakistan in 1995---


I know who he is... We got him? You must be mistaken....

TOSSER

Sheikh Omar Ramsey Yousef (Egyptian mastermind of the 1993 WTC bombing) didn't kill anyone in Pakistan, unless the world media is mistaken and you're not.

And TOSSER

Your relative's are right about the U.S. being a great place to live. That's one area I guarantee you they're not trying to kid you about.

You should check it out.

Why do democrats automatically assume this story is true?


"About a dozen current and former military and intelligence officials were interviewed for this article, all of whom requested anonymity because the planned 2005 mission remained classified."

Lets see which is it. We are hiding their names cause they don't exist or were O.K. with divulging secret information?

Maybe we can do the reporters of this article like Scooter Libby. They are divulging classified information(Outing Valerie Plame) with the help of others(Dick Cheney). Yep I see a parallel here. Time to bring these reporters before congress(wink wink) and have then take the 5th under oath. When they refuse to testify put them in jail for contempt of congress. We have to know who is actually behind this leak because they have damaged the intelligence community and released top secret information. Are any congressional democrats involved in this? Maybe these reporters are stone walling and lying to cover up for Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid?

I sound jusk like Tony Aroma talking about Scooter and the supposed cover up for Dick Cheny and George Bush. The only difference here is that the NY Times either made this story up or knowingly printed TOP SECRET classified information.

Those involved should all go to jail!

"Khalid Sheik Mohammed, or Ramsey Yousef "

www.nationalreview.com

Sorry, it's 'Sheik Omar Abdal Rahman', the blind Egyptian cleric and mastermind of the 1993 WTC attack.

Yousef was also captured in pakistan in 1995 and sentenced to 240 years for the same attack.

Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman

upload.wikimedia.org

"Sorry, it's 'Sheik Omar Abdal Rahman', the blind Egyptian cleric"

A fundie is a fundie is a fundie.

Its funny how the left leaners are fawning over Tosser like he(?) was the new girl on the block.
Funny.
Fact of the matter is US troops can`t operate on a limited basis in Pakistan or Afghanistan for that matter without the approval of the tribal leaders.
Even Pakistans Musharraf acknowledges this.
If we want obl then we would have to put a major force in there and at that point we would be fighting everyone.
Get real libs.


rwd


This is who we are fighting.


The official reported that on a couple of occasions in Baqubah, al Qaeda invited to lunch families they wanted to convert to their way of thinking. In each instance, the family had a boy, he said, who was about 11 years old. As LT David Wallach interpreted the man's words, I saw Wallach go blank and silent. He stopped interpreting for a moment. I asked Wallach, "What did he say?" Wallach said that at these luncheons, the families were sat down to eat. And then their boy was brought in with his mouth stuffed. The boy had been baked. Al Qaeda served the boy to his family.

michaelyon-online.com



Any deniers out there?

Tosser, has al-qaeda been to your part of town yet?


rwd

Pakistan is playing both sides. They take millions of dollars in aid from the US and then say they are on our side. At the same time, hiding out Bin Ladin. Instead of wasting our time in Afghanistan, we should be in Pakistan, but oh that is right Afghanistan has a record opium crop that helps fund our war against terrorists.

---They take millions of dollars in aid from the US and then say they are on our side. ---


Millions?

no.. it's Billions. LOL. America tried it's best to ruin Pakistan's economy from the late 80's throughout the 90's. Didn't work. So whatever we get out of you bastards, we don't see it as something we have to do anything in return for.

Despite this we are on your side. The proof is that the Taliban aren't getting any fuel. If they ever get their fuel, the Taliban war machine will be on it's feet overnight.

We just don't like you very much. We are the "friends" you deserve.

---Any deniers out there?---



How do you know this really happened?

A third-hand story, is all it is.




---Sorry, it's 'Sheik Omar Abdal Rahman', the blind Egyptian cleric and mastermind of the 1993 WTC attack.

Yousef was also captured in pakistan in 1995 and sentenced to 240 years for the same attack.----



Well, sometimes we go soft and do catch them for you even though they did nothing here.

It is a character flaw we have... going soft.

TOSSER... "It is a character flaw we have... going soft"

So, that is why all of your women like American men... Learn something new everyday...

No, I kid you... You did set yourself up for that one though...

---So, that is why all of your women like American men----



No.. you've got that backwards, I'm sure.

---No, I kid you...----

Oh,... that was a joke? LOL

Sometimes I can't tell with you people.

Basically, Bush's post 9-11 speach - the undoubted high point of his presidency - was total bullshit.

Sometimes I can't tell with you people.

Posted by Tosser at 2007-07-09 04:47 AM | Reply | Flag:


The American Sense of Humor was kidnapped and replaced with Biting Sarcasm and dry irony sometime in the mid 90's.

If you've seen our sense of humor could you please mail it back to us? We'd appreciate it and I imagine the rest of the world would too.

Thanks in advance.

"The American Sense of Humor was kidnapped and replaced with Biting Sarcasm and dry irony sometime in the mid 90's. "

Really? Which one is Larry the Cable Guy?

Really? Which one is Larry the Cable Guy?

Posted by Sully at 2007-07-09 10:20 AM | Reply | Flag:


Sully,

Certain genetic anomalies defy categorization.

TOSSER... "Sometimes I can't tell with you people"

Yeah, we get that a lot; when you're as funny as we are it kind of makes "knock-knock" jokes obsolete...

Why not capture OBL? When the Tali take over the Paki, they will have real nukes, thus real enemy, thus real excuse, that's when the showdown really begins..."limited nuclear theater"....GHWB, get your seats early, tickets are going fast...sorry, front row center tickets are already sold out...you regular folks will have to wait outside in the rain...

and back to where we started..... (read below)


---Why not capture OBL? -----


And where is OBL?

"He is in Pakistan!".. Above-Amreekan.

"And who told you? Your God-Chimp?"...Me.

"My gut tells me!".. above-amreekan.

"Take some antacid for your gut.... and don't sleep on your stomach.".. Me.

There... I wrote the whole argument before it happened, to make things less tedious.

'"He is in Pakistan!".. Above-Amreekan.


"And who told you? Your God-Chimp?"...Me.'

I don't know where he is. But why be so defensive about the possibility that he's in Pakistan?

His last known position was close to the Pakistan border. There is a large area of Pakistan that is both sympathetic to Bin Laden's Taliban allies and off limits to the Pakistani government. The Taliban is undoubtedly in this region as they launch attacks from there.

Doesn't it seem like the perfect hiding place for him?

Granted, he's a rich boy with enough money to be holed up in any number of places, having paid the local government for is silence. But the idea that he is probably in Pakistan definitely makes some sense.

--- But why be so defensive about the possibility that he's in Pakistan?----


Who is being defensive? I am only commenting on the stupidity of the American public.

Your Govt. sez, "he is hiding in Pakistan". Yet no proof is given.

The faith Americans have in their Chimp-God is .... touching.

Your Govt. has lied to you over and over again... and again... yet. LOL

Period.

"Who is being defensive? I am only commenting on the stupidity of the American public.

Your Govt. sez, "he is hiding in Pakistan". Yet no proof is given.

The faith Americans have in their Chimp-God is .... touching.

Your Govt. has lied to you over and over again... and again... yet. LOL

Period."

So your not being defensive but you're just arbitrarily calling 260 million people stupid based on false assumptions?
Glad you cleared that up. How would you act if you were being defensive? LOL

Our government has not said he's in Pakistan. You made that up. They are afraid to say that because it would mean Bush either has to enter Pakistan or admit he lied when he said he'd hunt down OBL anywhere.

I gave you reasons that it seems highly likely he is in Pakistan and I notice you didn't refute any of them in your response. You just threw around some feces like a chimp. Maybe you should go pray to the chimp-god. LOL

---Our government has not said he's in Pakistan.----


By "Govt." I also mean your piece of shit lawmakers.

Who is this guy called "Newt"? Who names their kid after a lizard?


---I gave you reasons that it seems highly likely he is in Pakistan and I notice you didn't refute any of them in your response. ----


Of course I didn't refute them. I agree it might be possible... but as long as there is no proof... it is all pissing in the wind.


---You just threw around some feces like a chimp.----


I learn from the best.

---you're just arbitrarily calling 260 million people stupid----



Won't be the last time, trust me.

tosser, i used to enjoy your commentary, at least it was something different, and from a different place.

but now you just sound like a dumb ass who generalized entire countries.... and no i didn't just say all pakistanis are dumbasses, just you.

...way to gain credibility

you claim to have refuted sully's points, but really u didn't. u say : "its possible he's here"

but you happened to miss the part where sully listed the reasons as to why he is most likely on the pakistan border.

please refute those listed reasons or offer another place that seems just as likely. if you can't then sully's argument stands.... and your "its possible" sounds like a cop-out.

"---You just threw around some feces like a chimp.----


I learn from the best."


Would that be mom or dad?




Tosser - Newt hasn't been a member of Congress since the late 90's.

Although he seems to care more about OBL's whereabouts than our actual government. Bush doesn't care about OBL. He cares more about the Bin Laden family than he does about the soldiers he's sent to Iraq for no reason.

Hey Tosser,

Who is this guy called "Newt"? Who names their kid after a lizard?

Actually, technically, a Newt is an amphibian.

Newt Gingrinch, on the other hand, is technically wot you might call a POS or Piece of Shit.

Thanx fer askin'.

Really, that's all ya need to know about the guy.

Allegedly, he circles the GOPher presidential candidates and "might" jump in the race fer '08 but realistically he's got too much baggage to make it work.

Be Well.

my guess is that pakistan had another power outage.... that or tosser just went to go riot with the others over the outage earlier this month!

.....but we are still the idiot americans of course...

----Would that be mom or dad?----


No... your President.

If Chimpy can come to Pakistan and hit a ball with a Cricket bat (he was good at it too), I figured I should also learn something from him.

---my guess is that pakistan had another power outage.... ----



The economy grew too fast. Demand for power spiked throwing all plans out the window.

India has been suffering 9 hour power cuts in Delhi.

China suffers massive power cuts.

Difference with us is, we make a noise about it.

Asian economies explode at rates you never experienced.



---.....but we are still the idiot americans of course...-----


You betcha.

---please refute those listed reasons or offer another place that seems just as likely----


Following Sully's thinking, there are at least 2 other places that are even better for hiding O'Binbin than Pakistan's border areas.

One, Afghanistan itself.

He is more familiar with Afghanistan than Pakistan.

Afghanistan is in the control of drug-lords and war-lords. He has always moved in places with maximum chaos.

Pakistan is so densely packed, someone would have seen him by now.. for sure. But Afghanistan has only 10, 15 million people and far more space to hide.

Second, Iran.

What makes you think Iran won't do a deal with this guy? Enemy of my enemy...

I believe he is in Saudi.

If I was him, I would've made my way to Pakistan's coast where you get yourself on an illegal boat ride to UAE and onto Saudi. Too easy.

Happy?

---Newt hasn't been a member of Congress since the late 90's. ----


Oh? Fooled me, he did.


---Actually, technically, a Newt is an amphibian.----


Anything worse than a lizard is a wet lizard.

"Oh? Fooled me, he did."

Without even trying. Why am I not surprised?

I don't know that OBL is in Pakistan. He could be in Afghanistan as Bush undermined that war effort completely. But he's not in Saudi. The ruling Saudis are too scared of him now.

---But he's not in Saudi. The ruling Saudis are too scared of him now.
----


The Bin Ladin family is the second richest family in Saudi (after the royal family) with enough resources to make the Republic of Pakistan look like an orphan by comparison.

If they want something done, they can do it.

Remember how they chartered flights out of US right after 9-11? THAT is CLOUT!

"Remember how they chartered flights out of US right after 9-11? THAT is CLOUT!"

I think the Saudis probably see OBL as a threat to them personally, while the Bush government doesnt' see him as a direct threat to them and doesn't really care if he kills anyone else.

I think the Saudis probably see OBL as a threat to them personally, while the Bush government doesnt' see him as a direct threat to them and doesn't really care if he kills anyone else.

Posted by Sully

Especially since he's been dead for years:>)LOL

www.whatreallyhappened.com


Bin Laden's voice was detected regularly until [14 December 2001] by intelligence operatives monitoring radio transmissions in Tora Bora, according to the Pentagon [details]. Since then, nothing has been heard from the al-Qa'eda leader and President Bush has hinted in private that bin Laden's silence could mean he has been killed. [Telegraph, 12/28/2001]

Osama bin Laden:
A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government


www.whatreallyhappened.com

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