Righties....

Remember if you pull that lever for Thompson, you're casting a vote for both a Nixon mole. A man who spent 20 years lobbying in D.C., and who's lobbying efforts cost U.S. taxpayer more than $500 BILLION dollars - $250 billion in the S & L bailout alone.

Just your kind of candidate. One who screws the U.S. every chance he gets.

Sounds a lot like John Edwards!

John Edwards was NEVER a lobbyist who cost the U.S. taxpayers hundreds of billions.

Nice try though...well, not really. Pretty pitiful.

Sounds a lot like John Edwards!

John Edwards served on the Senate's H20Gate committee? As counsel for the GOP? As a Nixon stooge? What a sooprise!

People seem to get the reel Thompson -- the characters he plays on screen --confused with the real Thompson. Confusing perception with reality, and vice versa, is a all too human problem, bridging partisan barriers. But the last couple of generations it's a weakness to which GOPiggies appear particularly suceptible. Consider, for a moment, this lineup of winners: George Murphy, Ronald Reagan, Shirley Temple, and Sonny Bono. Even more amazing, nobody seems to know much about where Thompson actually stands or what he would do as president. But that doesn't stop the clammoring crowd. Same way they flock to Rudy. Give 'em a brass band, a sea of flags, a bumper slogan, and these cretins will apparently go into lockstep for just about anyone.

"Even more amazing, nobody seems to know much about where Thompson actually stands or what he would do as president. But that doesn't stop the clammoring crowd. Same way they flock to Rudy. Give 'em a brass band, a sea of flags, a bumper slogan, and these cretins will apparently go into lockstep for just about anyone."

Of course democrats wouldn't do that sort of thing, right Doc? There were really no Deaniacs in 2000, right? Now we have no Obamania either. GOD, how I love a good double standard! Before you pigeonhole ME, I'm not fond of ANY candidate at this point. I'd love to find one with whom I could "go into lockstep."

...was working hammer and tong...

There's an expression you don't hear every day.

this lineup of winners: George Murphy, Ronald Reagan, Shirley Temple, and Sonny Bono.

Don't forget P.T. Barnum, also an elected Republican. One born every minute alright.

It's funny, Pubs are always bitching about how celebrities should not give their opinions on politics, yet they're the ones who actually keep electing them. I don't see anyone pushing Barbara Streisand or Sean Penn to run for office.

"I don't see anyone pushing Barbara Streisand or Sean Penn to run for office."

I'm surprised it hasn't happened. Was either of them a member of the bar? How long did they serve in the Senate? Doesn't matter...I'm sure their qualifications are better than Thompson's.

Yet another candidate with the same level of character that Herr Bush has.

""I'm surprised it hasn't happened.""

Why should you be surprised, the left has no history of voting for entertainers as leaders, the right can't say the same thing by a long shot. The right will vote for anyone with name recognition who claims to hate liberals.

.I'm sure their qualifications are better than Thompson's.

One term (and a 24 month freebee non-factor in the Senate (though he voted against impeaching Clinton, gotta give him credit for that) who cut and ran to become a Hollywierd elite after 9-11.
Some qualifications. At least he didn't build his movie career playing straight man to a monkey. Of course, neither did Cheney, until 2000.

ah yes and so it begins.........sure its proper to look into the past of a presidential candidate....its just too bad that the left doesnt have the same passion when it comes to the past of thier own....but I guess it works both ways, its just that the national left wing media has a deaf and dumb side when it comes to them.

and lets look at a recent example....the media doesnt want us to remember that hillary, for example, told us at the time that she had no idea that bill was catting around and yet in a book recently it said that she was in charge of the bimbo squad and 'ruining their lives'....or that marc rich's wife GAVE ONE MILLION DOLLARS to the blowjob billy library......but that just couldnt have anything to do with the pardon of her husband.......ohhhhhhh nooooooooooooo

so when the left is draggin out all this 'good stuff', they should look at themselves with the same fervor....

and lets look at how the left seems to always return to watergate.......the justice thing and so many other issues....why doesnt the left return to issues of their past with the same ease and passion?

one more time......it is VERY PROPER to look at as much as possible, but I think it also goes both ways because when we bring up past with hillary and other candidates, we are made to seem like something else besides concerned voters.

No, really, are there ANY repulsicans who aren't...well...repulsive?

""and yet in a book recently it said that she was in charge of the bimbo squad and 'ruining their lives'....""

typical BL reference. "A book"
Impressive.
You must have been a real scholar BL.

""we are made to seem like something else besides concerned voters.""

Yeah, it's the left that makes you look like a blind partisan hack.
Hahahaha.
With a name like Bushlover, your post is hilarious.
Did we choose your screen name???

Jeez--the attacks start flying immediately. And then John Edwards (who i will NOT support) and Clinton (of course).

Lets hear someone from the right defend FRED THOMPSON--and by defend, don't bring up other politicians, just address what has surfaced in recent weeks. It seems the more we learn about this guy, the more he seems like the rest (sometimes to a much worse extent). Even i, as a liberal, thought he wasn't that bad of a guy. But every day now we start hearing about these things... He's no outsider. He's approaching "typical political slimeball"

Anyone who thinks John Edwards and that batty wife of his would do us any good as a nation needs to go shoot themselves.

BLT, and of course the rwing politicians and media never shut up about Reagan cutting a deal with Khomeni to hold the hostages until after the election or his treasonous activity by selling weapons to those same Iranians. What did the GOP candidates call him when at the Reagan Library? Saint? American hero? The guy they'd most like to grow up to be? How damning!

And of course, you can't watch Hannity without him hammering on Dubya's daddy's pre-pardoning of Poindexter, so the Admiral couldn't testify against him for that same are the crazy ayatollahs deal.

The rwing media prefers to just make shit up about the Democrats, you know, Obama at a madrass, Obama the muslim, Hillary shot Vince Foster,...

You must have been a real scholar BL.

Posted by danni at 2007-07-06 09:17 AM | Reply |


well danni and the risk of gettin larry all excited.....I DID HOLD MY OWN.......

yuk yuk

and no I had no choice for the name.....mister rove told me that I was required to use it and he reminds me every day when he emails my orders for the day when it comes to this site..
SSSSSHHHHHHHHHH...dont tell anyone....its the right wing conspiracy......



'b'...........it is not surprising that there is more and more coming out......it would be the same if someone from the left came out as a potential candidate.
maybe we should all just wait a little longer before we all go crazy with it, and then look at all of the facts.....and believe it or not, even us on the right will look at some of these same things....for instance I am not the only rightie who once supported newt but DONT NOW because of his mouth running about blow job billy and all the while he was cheating himslef.........its too bad that the left doesnt have those same values.

its too bad that the left doesnt have those same values.


OOPS sorry....should have put "MORE" of the left have those same values........

Sounds like BLT and the right have grown tired of swiftboating, except when it concerns Edwards haircuts.

well danni and the risk of gettin larry all excited.....I DID HOLD MY OWN.......

yuk yuk

and no I had no choice for the name.....mister rove told me that I was required to use it and he reminds me every day when he emails my orders for the day when it comes to this site..
SSSSSHHHHHHHHHH...dont tell anyone....its the right wing conspiracy......



'b'...........it is not surprising that there is more and more coming out......it would be the same if someone from the left came out as a potential candidate.
maybe we should all just wait a little longer before we all go crazy with it, and then look at all of the facts.....and believe it or not, even us on the right will look at some of these same things....for instance I am not the only rightie who once supported newt but DONT NOW because of his mouth running about blow job billy and all the while he was cheating himslef.........its too bad that the left doesnt have those same values.

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-07-06 09:45 AM | Reply


Ok That does iut BLT I don't find You remotely attractive but You seem to have a hard On for Me so this is what I will do. You send Me a Plane ticket down to Houston and I will do My damnedest to Make Your Dreams come true. How does THAT warm Your Salomi??

Larry

Oh and BY GOD it better be a round trip ticket. I don't want some cheapskate sending Me a one way ticket.

Larry

If anyone wants to know where Fred stands on issues, its not hard to find out. Go to his website, youtube speaches etc... its not rocket science.

The reason I personally like him, is that he has conviction, and he is not afraid to talk back to his critics, something GWB sucks at. I have been researching FT for months now, and I think he has a legitimate shot at the White House. I just don't see Billary or Obama winning. And Edwards? uhhh, no.

It will be interesting

Of course, given the current crop of GOP candidates, it isn't hard to see why a deux ex Machina unknown would be drawing such attention.
Mitt flop Romney, Marketboy Mccain and Rudy the pinko ain't exactly much to brag about down at the cross burnings...

Northguy,
And Billary or Hussein Obama, and Trial Lawyer Edwards is something to brag about?

Hmm, I think not.

larry....come on we all know what you are doing.....a little reverse pychology ....isnt it......

larry.....its a joke.....but I am sure you know that.....you just need some lessons on humor like most libs......
ha ha...........

and if lisa wasnt such a little scaredy cat, I would have sent the message her way instead........so you see, makig the joke at your expense is actually a term of endearment to the fact that I can tolerate you much more than most conservatives............(anot
her little jerk of your chain).......oh shit there I go again.................lighten up a little.........ITS FRIDAY.......and we ALL KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS........

oh yeah and one more thing......I cant send you those tickets because you would also have to have a visa and I believe that I would be the only yes vote on that committe charged with keeping out all the midwest riftraft..............

shit man....I just cant stop the humor..............

So Thompson is a pig. anybody surprised? Yet another of the long line of corrupt pigs who do not believe in justice. Just another one

I will give him some credit. Thompson doesn't seem to be pandering to the Evangelical right (yet). Nothing makes me cringe like hearing a divorc talking about the sanctity of marriage and family values.

sweet katie.....just because someone is divorced doesnt preclude them from talking about the sanctity of marriage......
besides, a woman gets all the breaks in all but the most bizarre instances so it makes my statement true.......the man always gets screwed in the end.........
and then there is the ole standby.......we just THINK we are getting it for free.

...I'm sure their qualifications are better than Thompson's.

Posted by jestgettinalong

Well they're at least as qualified as Sonny Bono or Fred "Gopher" Grandy.

...just because someone is divorced doesnt preclude them from talking about the sanctity of marriage......
Posted by bushlovertwo

Care to elaborate how that is possible? Seems to me if you value the sancity of marriage, you don't get a divorce.

TFD: And if you do get a divorce, biblically speaking, you aren't supposed to re-marry, especially the bimbo you just dumped the bimbo who was your former wife for.

You just have to accept Republicans view morals are something everybody else is supposed to have. As the Party of God, they are exempt from them. Just like the 9-11 attackers were exempt from traditional muslim prohibitions on women and booze. When you're doing God's Work, he cuts you some slack.

no no no no.....both of you are full of poo poo...........
so there is no room for people to grow apart and to change as the years move on.

a personal note....I married my wife when she was pretty young and 16 years later, she was not the person I married and I am sure that I also changed.....things happened to us, some normal things and even a castastophic event or two, but I still believe in marriage...and when someone else comes along and I think its right, I will push that button again......but see...because of the first one, I believe its even more important to make sure on this one.....so it has actually strengtened my idea on the sanctity of marriage, not weakened it.


and how did we get to this from a watergate allegation of thompson?

And Billary or Hussein Obama, and Trial Lawyer Edwards is something to brag about?

Hmm, I think not.

Nah, but Al Gore, that's a real quality contender if he chooses...
Barak is too inexperienced (and after Bush, nobody can deny we need experienced leaders).
Edwards, forget about it. Didn't see anything in him in 2004.

Hillary, smart and experienced, but way too "motivated". Then again, Dubya didn't seem to want the job and has spent the last 6 years basically not doing it. Be nice to have Bubba supplying advice too. Be nice to get back to winning wars and running surpluses again.

northguy.....you are using a small sample to color the whole side of conservatism....and sure we all do that at times, but lets call it what it is......
I hope that everyone finds their ying to thier yang, and I understand that sometimes it doesnt work no matter how hard people try.

wait a minute.....what war did we win with blowjob at the helm........and the little farts with the small countries really doesnt constitute a war, in my opinion......or did he start and win a war against pharmacies?

No BLT, you showed that you do not sanctify marriage. Marriage is forever, no? I don't see where in the sacred vows it says "until you grow apart". Unless your spouse is abusive, it's up to you to work it out, not leave when you feel it's time.

but I still believe in marriage...and when someone else comes along and I think its right, I will push that button again......but see...because of the first one, I believe its even more important to make sure on this one
Posted by bushlovertwo

No, I don't believe marriage is about try until you get it right, I thought it was about "God put us together, so it's up to us to make it work".

.....so it has actually strengtened my idea on the sanctity of marriage, not weakened it.

Boy, if that isn't a BS rationalization, then I don't know what is.

"Be nice to get back to winning wars and running surpluses again."

What war? What surplus?

"Be nice to get back to winning wars and running surpluses again."

What war? What surplus?

Posted by jestgettinalong

Bosnia, which is now a peaceful place - the effort headed by Gen. Eric Shinseki who was fired for telling Congress that in his view we'd need 500,000 troops to 'win the peace' in Iraq and avoid the current FUBAR situation.

The multi trillion dollar surpluses that would have shored up Social Security and paid down the national debt Clinton left behind. The surpluses Bush turned into massive deficits as soon as he took the WH.

Thompson is typical rightwing scum, which means lot's of righties here will be lining up to vote for him.

Thompson is typical rightwing scum, which means lot's of righties here will be lining up to vote for him.

Posted by briwo

Beautiful, in a Nutshell.

"The reason I personally like him, is that he has conviction, and he is not afraid to talk back to his critics, something GWB sucks at."

Seriously? This is why you like him? What about intelligence, fresh ideas, willingness to listen and consider alternative ideas (regardless of where they came from), well-reasoned decisions and good priorities?

Seriously? This is why you like him? What about intelligence, fresh ideas, willingness to listen and consider alternative ideas (regardless of where they came from), well-reasoned decisions and good priorities?

Posted by __b__ at 2007-07-06 12:09 PM |

Pray tell what individual fits that bill?

Thompson is typical rightwing scum, which means lot's of righties here will be lining up to vote for him.

Posted by briwo at 2007-07-06 12:03 PM

1. scum 305 up, 17 down

(adj.) Possibly the worst word you can have your name associated with.

It is hard to define the word, but it is basically used to describe someone so disgraceful that they are seen as the lowest form of life. "Worthlessness" , "waste of skin", "dirt". "Nothing". Far worse than most other insults, where the victim is often just referred to as genetalia.

The fact that "scum" is a non-swear, and seen as perfectly acceptable English, makes it even more demeaning and offensive. If you are condemned as a "cunt" or a "fucktard", then you are simply being attacked with clich profanity, used spontaneously and with no particular venom or thought. "Scum", however, is usually only used in exclusive conditions where it is the only word for the job, and makes the victim feel like the lowest of the low.


Seems a bit extreme don't you think?

Obama--sans fresh ideas. Still waiting for those. Clinton has quite a few of them (and a lot of bad attributes too).

Quite frankly, i'm not all that enthusiastic about the dems--but at least the thought of one of them becoming president doesn't make me want to puke (well, besides Edwards).

Crispee: not at all.

Crispee: not at all.

Posted by briwo at 2007-07-06 12:17 PM

So you have no right wing friends? If a moderate friend of yours supported Fred he would be considered scum? The lowest form of insult?

Ever since I heard about his support for Scooter a couple months ago, I started thinking FT was a dirtbag. Every week something new gets thrown up that digs him deeper & deeper.

Now, before you call me a Hillary, Obama or Edwards supporter ... I'm not. I think the current choice of "major party" candidates SUCKS.

I bought into FT's bullshit for awhile, but I'm disillusioned once again.

Still like Paul, but we're going to get railroaded one of these dirtbags come hell & highwater.

Now, before you call me a Hillary, Obama or Edwards supporter ... I'm not. I think the current choice of "major party" candidates SUCKS.

Posted by GIMPSTER at 2007-07-06 12:43 PM

Two of those have voted against making english the nations official language, not to mention voted to give illegals Social Security benefits. I would think the scum and dirtbag line can be applied.

Damn liberal Hollywood!!!!

-the DR Rightists (who seem to love having actors run for president).

for instance I am not the only rightie who once supported newt but DONT NOW because of his mouth running about blow job billy and all the while he was cheating himslef.........its too bad that the left doesnt have those same values.

Posted by bushlovertwo at 2007-07-06 09:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

Heh heh......yeah, the way you defend Clinton regarding his blowjob is so admirable.

Can you smell that? It's sarcasm.

the DR Rightists (who seem to love having actors run for president).

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2007-07-06 12:54 PM

I tjust so happens one so called actor was the Governor of the largest state in the union and the current was elected to the United States Senate. Both I might add have/had far more experience than the current front runners. Remind me again how a 44 year old former State Senator and current Junior US Senator is qualifed? Or the wife of an impeached President who only became a Senator because she ran in New York? Who can't even read be bothered to read every document before voting on the most important issue of her political life? These are who you want to represent the USA?

"What war? What surplus?"

Posted by jestgettinalong

"Bosnia, which is now a peaceful place - the effort headed by Gen. Eric Shinseki who was fired for telling Congress that in his view we'd need 500,000 troops to 'win the peace' in Iraq and avoid the current FUBAR situation." Posted by ALLAMERICAN

Our involvement was a UN, NATO thing and wasn't really a "war" from our viewpoint...just like Somalia, a U.S. venture ALONE wasn't really a war either (that didn't turn out to be so "peaceful a place.") Why do you and your little friends have so selective a memory?


"The multi trillion dollar surpluses that would have shored up Social Security and paid down the national debt Clinton left behind. The surpluses Bush turned into massive deficits as soon as he took the WH."

Never WAS a surplus. That was a ten-year projection based on the economy remaining good, spending staying the same and revenues the same. None of that happened. A recession began BEFORE the 2000 election and 9/11 happended soon after. The "surplus" went POOF.

There will be a class in Econ 101 beginning in September but you can pre enroll now.

"Ever since I heard about his support for Scooter a couple months ago, I started thinking FT was a dirtbag. Every week something new gets thrown up that digs him deeper & deeper."

Posted by GIMPSTER at 2007-07-06 12:43 PM

He has stated numerous times that it was Armitage who leaked the name, not Libby. This is a known FACT. This is why he supports Libby, because it was Armitage.

Oh, and please don't call what was sent into Iraq a 'coalition'.

Currently Britain, our largest 'partner', has under 5000 troops in iraq and decreasing every day as we 'surge'.

Iraq is currently exactly the same scenario we had in Bosnia. Factional fighting.

Different presidents, different results...by a mile.

But, Clinton was smart enough with Bosnia to have a truly international force strong enough to do the job.

""Who can't even read be bothered to read every document before voting on the most important issue of her political life?""

Name one senator who did.

And JESTGETTINGALONG

Seems it's YOU who needs the refresher course in economics. You DON'T lower taxes in a 'time of war'.

These guys KNEW they were going to invade Iraq when they proposed the TWO tax cuts for the ultra wealthy and said 'F the middle class'.

"Fred Thompson was Nixon's mole during Watergate."

That amounts to a conflict of interest at the least, doesn't it? Telling the investigated what you're going to investigate, and questions you'll be presenting in advance?

This guy's no hero. He's a partisan lacky who might have succeeded (if more honest heads hadn't prevailed) in usurping the Watergate investigation.

"He has stated numerous times that it was Armitage who leaked the name, not Libby. This is a known FACT. This is why he supports Libby, because it was Armitage."

But of course, Libby wasn't accused of being the leaker, now was he? If he had been accused of that, and Armitage was the real (and only) leaker, then Thompson might be justified in supporting Scooter-boy.

But since he was accused, tried, convicted, and sentenced (within the DOJ guidelines) of lying and obstruction ABOUT the leak, then Thompson is essesntially suborning those acts.

what war did we win with blowjob at the helm........and the little farts with the small countries really doesnt constitute a war, in my opinion

Yugoslavia wasn't militarily a small fart, certainly not in comparison to say Grenada, taliban afghanistan or Iraq's deadenders since 2003.
And Clinton kicked ass in Kosovo with what, two KIA? Christ, Bush would be thrilled some day to make it to lunchtime in Iraq with only two KIA. No islamic terrorist attacks on the homeland, other than a small thingie at the start of his reign. Seven years and 11 months of peace. Can Bush match that?

""Who can't even read be bothered to read every document before voting on the most important issue of her political life?""

Name one senator who did.

Posted by danni at 2007-07-06 01:13 PM |

Not that it will ever sink into that rock you call a head. But how about Russ Feingold? Not that it matters who you want to excuse. But most of them are running for POTUS.

He has stated numerous times that it was Armitage who leaked the name, not Libby. This is a known FACT. This is why he supports Libby, because it was Armitage.

Posted by FormerLib at 2007-07-06 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Ummmmmm if You are refering to Robert Novak He declared there was 2 Count them 2 Leakers one was Armitage and the other one was ROVE.

Larry

Justgettingconfused: "Our involvement was a UN, NATO thing and wasn't really a "war" from our viewpoint."

So afghanistan isn't a war" to you. You are saying Bush didn't go to war against al queda? Or that he just quit it?

Somolia sucked, even though Blackhawk Down" is now a daily event in gratefully liberated Iraq, but what can you expect from anything started by a Bush?

Seven years and 11 months of peace. Can Bush match that?

Posted by northguy3 at 2007-07-06 01:34 PM

No. But Bush decided to clean up the seven years of so called peace. No attack other than a small thingie? How well did the conviction of the mastermind behind the 1993 attack turn out? Hell they only took over a Country and planned 9-11 for about what 6 years? What did Blow Job Billy do do combat the Jihadist movement? How many CIA and Intel budgets did your fucking hero do away with in his 7 years of peace?

"Fred Thompson was Nixon's mole during Watergate."

Posted by AllAmerican at 2007-07-06 01:22 PM

Yeah figure you would criticze someone doing their job to the best of their ability. I guess you didn't bother to read a couple of paragraphs at the end of the story. Figures.


Even as he quizzed Butterfield during the hearing, Thompson said later, he believed the tapes would exonerate Nixon, so he saw no problem in pressing for their release. It was after Thompson heard Nixon incriminate himself on the tapes that Thompson finally decided that Nixon was a crook -- and stopped be ing a Nixon apologist.

"Looking back, I wonder how I could have failed to realize at once . . . the significance of the tapes," Thompson wrote. "I realized that I would probably be thinking about the implications of Watergate for the rest of my life."

Thompson fell all over himself defending and raising money for Libby. It's never a concern about guilt, but quick let's figure a way to get this guy off !

It is god damned amazing that the GOP would field ANY candidate after what BushCo has done to this country.

SanAntonioRogue summed it up very nicely for me, as I never accused Scooter of leaking her identity. However, he has been successfully prosecuted and summarily sentenced ... like it or not.

I realize it's hard to get someone's gist from a post, but I'm not some leftwing wack job. I just feel that Fred Thompson, despite his high-horse rhetoric, is a vote for status quo.

If you (be it a liberal, moderate or conservative) enjoy how things are going domestically & abroad, by all means ... vote for any of the major candidates. Announced or not.

I won't be voting for Fred Thompson, Rudy or Romney....However, if any of these afore mentioned do win the pole position (though I doubt it will be any of them) and their opposition is either Hillary or Obama to be sure I will be casting a vote against them by casting a vote for them.

At this point nobody, right nor left has my vote for them, only a vote against them.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

It is god damned amazing that the GOP would field ANY candidate after what BushCo has done to this country.


Posted by YoMeLIB at 2007-07-06 01:57 PM |


Name some of the things Bush has done that directly affect your existance.

I'm not a big Bush fan just not a Kerry follower.

Name some things for me that Bush has personally affect you....

It is god damned amazing that the GOP would field ANY candidate after what BushCo has done to this country.


Posted by YoMeLIB at 2007-07-06 01:57 PM |


Name some of the things Bush has done that directly affect your existance.

I'm not a big Bush fan just not a Kerry follower.

Name some things for me that Bush has done that personally affect you....

"I will be casting a vote against them by casting a vote for them."

Are you sure yer not a Kerry follower?

Name some of the things Bush has done that directly affect your existance.


failed miserably on 9-11. failed miserably in afghanistan. Failed miserably in Iraq. Created more islamic terrorists than ever before. Made us less safe than before.
Destabalised the ME, jacking up price of oil while doing diddly squat to get us off the ME crack.
Ran up record deficits that will impact the services I will receive in my later years as well as those my kids and grandkids will receive.

That's all I can come up with in 30 seconds...

And Crisppe- so Bush's ignoring 56 warnings about 9-11, walking away from the war in afghanistan, letting bin laden walk out of Tora Bora, letting al queda's saudi bankers off the hook, letting pakistan set up a safe haven for al queda in waziristan, bogging us down in Iraq, who's only result in the war on terror has been to improve al queda's training and recruiting abilities, and Iran's influence in the ME is so much better than what Clinton did , HOW?

NORTHGUY

Well said

Northguy,
It would be pretty foolish to try and defend what has happened the last 4-5 years. It is equally foolish to think Clinton isn't responsible for his policies as well. The fact Bush went on an offensive as opposed to the status quo speaks volumes. The fact we are dealing with fanatics who blow each other up over a cartoon makes your argument about creating more terrorists rather silly. Anything aggressive action against these fuckers would have created more and would have been used as a recruiting tool. As for you theory of letting OBL out of Tora Bora... Had you taken the time and seen the landscape you would have known it would have been futile to put 10,000 soliders in an area that matches the Rockies from Denver to New York. They would have been swallowed up and useless. It is also rather funny how you expect Bush to weed us off of oil in less that his two terms. It will take decades for that to happen.

CRISPEE

Thompson was responsible through his lobbying on behalf of the Savings & Loan industry for a $250 BILLION dollar price tag when the legislation he was responsible for left American taxpayers in the lurch.

Sorry dude. He shouldn't have ever talked to the White House during the investigation....period. That's like a prosecutor calling the defendant's attorney and telling HIM what he's going to ask and giving him a heads up. Just doesn't happen. When it does, people go to jail.

Had you taken the time and seen the landscape you would have known it would have been futile to put 10,000 soliders in an area that matches the Rockies from Denver to New York

CRISPEE

Why not the 250,000 that are in Iraq, including 'private contractors/mercenaries'?

Bush just didn't want to try. As a result thousands of Taliban are still firing on our guys, and Afghanistan has yet to be stable and 'free'.

Oh, and Bin Laden and Zawarhiri are still on the loose planning attacks and inciting the Arab world to jihad.

CRISPEE

Ever read of a 'siege'. The Middle Ages tactic where you pound the castle walls and wait for them to run out of food and ammo?

Tora Bora would have fallen years ago if the resources had been put into it.

Had you taken the time and seen the landscape you would have known it would have been futile to put 10,000 soliders in an area that matches the Rockies from Denver to New York

CRISPEE

Why not the 250,000 that are in Iraq, including 'private contractors/mercenaries'

If you can't figure out that 10,000 would be swallowed up in the landscape, how in the name of wide world of sports would 250,000 be better? For someone who claims to have a military backround it seems you would be laughed out of your pension had you been active today.

CRISPEE

So, according to your statement, 150,000 troops was enough to secure a country the size of California - against sage advice?

Get real.

We should have never abandoned the fight in Afghanistan. It doesn't take a military expert to see that we did.

I'm referring to Iraq in regards to the 150,000 troops.

A drop in the bucket of the number needed.

Go Bush, eh?

We should have never abandoned the fight in Afghanistan. It doesn't take a military expert to see that we did.

Posted by AllAmerican at 2007-07-06 03:23 PM | R

The only problem with your assumption is the fact we had more troops in Afghanistan after the the invasion of Iraq.

The only problem with your assumption is the fact we had more troops in Afghanistan after the the invasion of Iraq.

Posted by crispee_oc

Sure. But, not 250,000. We could have defeated the Taliban and Bin Laden with finality, and restored Afghanistan as a shining example of the power, might, and compassion of The United States.

Instead, it's still unstable and unsafe nearly SIX years after 9/11. Very sad.

Instead, it's still unstable and unsafe nearly SIX years after 9/11. Very sad.

Posted by AllAmerican at 2007-07-06 03:36 PM |

Do you really want to compare it today to before the Northern Alliance defeated the Taliban? You do remember the Al Qaeda traing camps? The destruction of some of the oldest and richest artifacts? The Islamic law running the Country? How can you possibly say Afghanistan is worse off today than when the Taliban ran things?

"Ummmmmm if You are refering to Robert Novak He declared there was 2 Count them 2 Leakers one was Armitage and the other one was ROVE."

Larry
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Thanks for answering my question, Libby should recieve a whole pardon.

Thanks for answering my question, Libby should recieve a whole pardon.

Posted by FormerLib at 2007-07-06 05:48 PM | Reply


Not if He lied to Cover His Boss or Dubya He should not but You know how much this Administration AND YOU Care about Honesty and Integrity.

Larry

How can you possibly say Afghanistan is worse off today than when the Taliban ran things?

CRISPEE

I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that it could have been a shining jewel of our goals in the Middle East for other countries to see IF we had finished the job there first - created a stable, happy, peaceful Afghanistan by eliminating the remaining roadblocks for that to occur - namely finishing off the Taliban. Instead, several thousand fled from Tora Bora to Waziristan, where they operate freely with Al Qaeda to this day out of reach it seems...

Anyone who thinks John Edwards and that batty wife of his would do us any good as a nation needs to go shoot themselves"

sed the Ladyinthelake

As opposed to having a First Floozie like Fed Thompson trophy wife?

Good thing about Rudy and wives is there's so many to choose from.

Bush married a chick who killed her ex-boyfriend with her car.

Mitt knew his wife was "hot" when she was 15 y.o.

Michelle Obama is the best First Lady candidate out there.

Nice thread, AllAmerican.

The deflectins and obfuscations are legion but ya got yer point across to all but the hardcore Kool-ade drinkers here.

Well-Fed Thompson is just more of tha same old shit, it appears.

Not one GOP candidate, aside from RP, is worth listening to. They are all bent.

Be Well.

or that marc rich's wife GAVE ONE MILLION DOLLARS to the blowjob billy library......but that just couldnt have anything to do with the pardon of her husband.......ohhhhhhh nooooooooooooo

BL2

Denise and Marc Rich had been separated for years. As to her finances, she always had more money than Rich did. She's one of the worlds richest women. Heiress and a Democrat. The pardon and donation were definitely not connected. She's given tens if not hundreds of millions to Democratic causes over the years, and raised just as much from others. Very active in political causes and way before the Clintons came along.

" The pardon and donation were definitely not connected."

AA,

All due respect, since I admire most of your posts: on this one, you're joking...right?

Never WAS a surplus. That was a ten-year projection based on the economy remaining good, spending staying the same and revenues the same. None of that happened. A recession began BEFORE the 2000 election and 9/11 happended soon after. The "surplus" went POOF.

There will be a class in Econ 101 beginning in September but you can pre enroll now.


Posted by jestgettinalong at 2007-07-06 01:03 PM | Reply |

POW KABLOOEY!!!!!!!!!

hear the explosion.....thats miles and years of liberal media bullshit exploding before our very eyes.....here is a perfect example of the liberal media and its support of the left in its full glory.......surplus was on paper and projections.......do we do this now,,,,of course we do but now the focus on the left has switched to the other side and simply because its bush in the white house.....also latest report on wages and economy out this past week and its no surprise it didnt make it here......news for americas economy was just too god damned good for leftys to bring up.

" A recession began BEFORE the 2000 election"

Sorry...there's already a set definition of a recession; you don't get to make up a new one. And via the definition we already have, the recession began AFTER the 2000 election, in fact, AFTER Bush's inaguration: March 2001, after the President had been jawboning for months and months we were already there.

The recession actually began in 1999 over the Y2K hoopla. Now, it may not have reached the point to fit the "definition" until 2001, but it began in 1999.

Jest,

Again...sorry, but if you're going to throw around charged words like "recession", you can't make up the definition as it suits you. A recession is defined as two consecutive contracting quarters, not when you decide "it began".

"it may not have reached the point to fit the "definition" until 2001"

May not? It didn't. And as far as talk of "recession", that's where it should end. NO recession, period.

From the National Bureau of Economic Research: Notice that the WAS a "decline" before march 2001.

"Q: The NBER has dated the beginning of the recession in March 2001. Does this mean that the attacks of September 11 did not have a role in causing the recession?

A. No. Before the attacks, it is possible that the decline in the economy would have been too mild to qualify as a recession. The attacks clearly deepened the contraction and may have been an important factor in turning the episode into a recession.

Q: The financial press often states the definition of a recession as two consecutive quarters of decline in real GDP. How does that relate to the NBER's recession dating procedure?

A: Most of the recessions identified by our procedures do consist of two or more quarters of declining real GDP, but not all of them. But our procedure differs in a number of ways. First, we use monthly indicators to arrive at a monthly chronology. Second, we use indicators subject to much less frequent revision. Third, we consider the depth of the decline in economic activity. Recall that our definition includes the phrase, "a significant decline in activity."

Q: Isn't a recession a period of diminished economic activity?

A: It's more accurate to say that a recession--the way we use the word--is a period of diminishing activity rather than diminished activity. We identify a month when the economy reached a peak of activity and a later month when the economy reached a trough. The time in between is a recession, a period when the economy is contracting. The following period is an expansion. Economic activity is below normal or diminished for some part of the recession and for some part of the following expansion as well. Some call the period of diminished activity a slump."

"Notice that the WAS a "decline" before march 2001."

So now you're redefining "recession" to mean "decline"? Who are you, Humpty Dumpty? Words mean what you want them to mean?

And I don't have any trust in a source that doesn't know September 11, 2001 occured after March 2001.

Thanks, but no thanks. I'll go with the textbook definition, not an ever-shifting meaning depending on the political point being made.

"Fred Thompson was Nixon's mole during Watergate."

I thought "Tricky Dickey" had that mole removed by a Doctor?

And then, Tricky Dickey had the Doctor removed by a mole.

No. But Bush decided to clean up the seven years of so called peace. No attack other than a small thingie? How well did the conviction of the mastermind behind the 1993 attack turn out? Hell they only took over a Country and planned 9-11 for about what 6 years? What did Blow Job Billy do do combat the Jihadist movement? How many CIA and Intel budgets did your fucking hero do away with in his 7 years of peace?

Posted by crispee_oc

that is utter bullshit..People like you need to be clubbed like a baby seal.

How many CIA and Intel budgets did your fucking hero do away with in his 7 years of peace?

I don't know. That's classified information.

Maybe Cheney can leak it.