red meat for yellow dogs .....

Thank you Vernon, that was kind of you. Please pass the Heinz 57.

What a waste of time and resources. Moveon.org should encourage the politicians to do something that will count. Cut our taxes, fix social security. Provide the funding needed to secure our borders. Impeaching Cheney will accomplish nothing.

Hasn't the administration done enough already ?

Do we need more that the outright lies to start a war. Then add such poor planing that thousand of Americans have died?

Bushco in it's entirety:

Impeach

Remove

Indict

go to trial

Imprison-introduce to "Bubba"

Let "nature" take it's course.

Sawdust-
re: Cut our taxes, fix social security. Provide the funding needed to secure our borders.

Maybe you could just invent a money tree, or find a fairy dust mine (the fairy dust mine may be required as food for the money tree, so it could be a chicken-egg kinda catch)

LOL, brainiac.br />

"Impeach Cheney if he defies suboena"?

Hell, yeah!

Spud sez... Impeach him even if he don't.

Be Well.

Impeachment of Cheney is one small step for mankind away from Kleptocracy and Murder Incorporated.

I've come to the same conclusion after hours of studying the proposals on how to fix this situation. I've given it careful thought and the only remedy that anybody can seriously consider at this point is to give tax cuts to the rich.

if you think socialising the health care industry will do any good, i'm here to tell you that you're wrong.

if you think socialising the health care industry will do any good, i'm here to tell you that you're wrong.


Please point out some of the great things about socialized health care. Be sure to include the waiting lists and the selective exclusion of certain people.

The dems are playing a dangerous game: if there are grounds to impeach, then do it and shut up. if they are on a fishing expedition or grasping at straws to drum up any reason to impeach, this will obviously backfire on them. if they just keep yammering about possibly, maybe, potentially considering impeachment, they are proving to all that an ass is no better than a dumb elephant.

The dems have an opportunity in the short term to prove themselves as a serious alternative, for some reason, I'm not too optimistic: Pelosi is pulling in one direction and the grass roots in another. If they can't even agree on that, just how much can you trust them to run your country?

Hey, leave 'em alone. With Washington all tied up with stuff like this, they are unlikely to take up something which could cause REAL harm.

There is no grounds to impeach. It is just part of a huge smear campaign to make all the repubs look like crap.

There is a seperation of powers between the three branches of government and the war in Iraq is not illegal.

Think what you might of Gonzo but he had the legal right to fire the attorneys. With the gun legislation he is pushing he should be on the libs love list caus he damn sure isn't on mine.

"You couple that with a balanced budget like we had under Clinton and it is great. One way to do this would be a flat tax."

With a flat tax, you still have the IRS, lobbyists and the whole corrupt system. The Fair Tax is a better alternative. Take a good look at it. Don't just read critiques by its opponents.

Take a good look at it. Don't just read critiques by its opponents.

Posted by jestgettinalong


See: Oxymoron

Don't know if its the right move, but i agree its about time we do something.

Apologies Jest I missed the Just..

Please point out some of the great things about socialized health care. Be sure to include the waiting lists and the selective exclusion of certain people.

Posted by Axiom at 2007-07-04 09:14 AM

I think a modified two tier system would be best. Allowing the government the power to shop around and get good deals on drugs makes sense too.

Back on topic. If the VP refuses, I say impeach and open up all his 'secret' files and see what he is hiding. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear, but he is obviously fearing something, so therefore he is obviously hiding something. For the good of America we should find out.

" all his 'secret' files"

are you serious?
so big bad government should have no secrets, none at all. lest just peek in a see all the top secret stuff and let the world know what were hiding.

its amazing how some people think

Impeach? What do we do to other people when they defy a subpeona? We throw them in jail, indefinitely. Why should it be any different for this asshole?

Think what you might of Gonzo but he had the legal right to fire the attorneys. With the gun legislation he is pushing he should be on the libs love list caus he damn sure isn't on mine.

Posted by Sniper at 2007-07-04 10:26 AM

Sniper, your opinion is still just an opinion. I even agree to some extent but the fact is that Darth Vader is defying a subpeona and whether your or my opinion says the subpeona is based on trumped-up charges is immaterial.

Two-tier health care is a form of national health care system that is used in most developed countries. It is a system in which a guaranteed public health care system exists, but where a private system operates in parallel. The private system has the benefit of shorter waiting times and more luxurious treatment, but costs far more than the public one for patients. Thus there are two tiers of health care, one for the public at large and another for those who can afford to pay for better care. Most advanced countries in the world have two-tier primary health care to varying degrees, except for Canada (outside Quebec, where officially, but not in practice, it is illegal).


So basically, you end up with what people complain about now. The "rich" are able to afford better, faster health care; meanwhile, the poor (who have to rely on the government system) have:
a) longer waiting lists.
b) seemingly lackluster care compared to private care.

Wow. I can't wait for such a great plan.

Anything else spectacular you care to add about this?

Impeachment of Cheney is one small step for mankind away from Kleptocracy and Murder Incorporated.

Posted by nutcase

FF

Germany has a good system that works. Basically, everyone is required to buy PRIVATE insurance. The premiums for the unemployed are picked up by the government, but they get a very reduced rate. Basically, it's a private but heavily regulated system and I can go to any doctor anytime. Can even get housecalls and never, EVER have to deal with an insurance company pissing and moaning about a bill.

They recently started a small co-pay program that at the very maximum could cost 40Euro a YEAR.

The system is overburdened and being reformed right now but the changes I've seen really make sense and odn't affect the end-customer, the patient, much if at all.

If only our nation had the outrage to do what should be done...march on the White House, climb that fence, and forcibly remove the "occupants."

I simply ask Republicans to stop standing behind your party line and step past the line and stand up for the constitution

One small voice for totally divorcing health care from the profit motive. Anything else is immoral. I'd rather be treated by a lower paid government employee wanting to alleviate pain than by a millionaire who looks at me and sees a cash register. herm

Second only to Nixon, Dick Cheney has been the most venal individual in American politics over the last hundred years.
Thus it is no surprise that GWB, second only to Nixon, has been the least popular president in the last hundred years.

GWB surely is less popular than Nixon was on the day he flashed the vee-sign while boarding the White House helicopter. The jury is surely out on the most venal ... but Nixon did keep his - er - language to the privacy of the White House tapes. herm

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. -- Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

One small voice for totally divorcing health care from the profit motive. Anything else is immoral. I'd rather be treated by a lower paid government employee wanting to alleviate pain than by a millionaire who looks at me and sees a cash register. herm

Posted by herm at 2007-07-04 03:32 PM

Herm, morally and ethically, I'm right there with you! I seem to find myself agreeing with you on a lot of things, in fact.

I don't know if it's true but I've read that in China, a village's doctor only got paid if his patients, the villagers, were healthy. He had to treat the sick on his own time and at his own expense. Even if it's not true, it sounds ideal.

Regarding Nixon vs. Bush - The standards and expectations have dropped CONSIDERABLY since the '70s. If we could adjust the polls the way we can adjust inflation rates for comparing economic data between eras, I'm certain that W would be the lowest, the pond-scummiest, the most loathed sack of worthless flesh to ever have occupied the Oval Office. And let's all be sure to stress the word occupied a little more than usual when referring to his term(s) in office.

I'm certain that W would be the lowest, the pond-scummiest, the most loathed sack of worthless flesh to ever have occupied the Oval Office.
Posted by bellaspapa at 2007-07-04 04:41 PM


Wow, Bella, I have all kinds of new respect for you.

So in Europe does America's Independence even get a mention?

If Cheney is impeached, let Bush pardon him. Hehehehe.... the libs and dems are still smarting from the impeachment of Birr Crinton.

The next president will be a 'he' (sorry Hillary), and no Clinton will live in the Blanca Casa.

Like it or not, he will be Presidente for 8 years.

Sounds like someone has had a bit too much alcohol this merry 4th, and gone off the deep end. LOL

There is a seperation of powers between the three branches of government and the war in Iraq is not illegal.

Posted by Sniper at 2007-07-04 10:26 AM | Reply | Flag


Separation of powers?

You may want to remind Dick "Shoot ya in the face and heart with a shotgun" Cheney. He keeps FLIP FLOPPING regarding the branch he belongs to......all depending on the question he's being asked.

Move on has gone on the deep end. Have to wonder, although most of American dislikes him and wishes he were out of office, the big question would be how do you get the votes. To them it doesn't matter, just throw it against the wall and hope it sticks.

"decreasing taxes does increase revenues"
Posted by sawdust

Not once inflation is factored in, something you have to do before they pass you on to Econ 201.

Wow, Bella, I have all kinds of new respect for you.

So in Europe does America's Independence even get a mention?

Posted by briwo at 2007-07-04 04:59 PM


haha, not sure if you're being sarcastic or not there, Briwo.

You mean Independence from England??? No, nobody's ever wished me a Happy Fourth over here and I doubt they know or care anymore about it than the average American knows or cares about the Weimar Republic.

Or do you mean, per common American Misconception, is everybody in Europe envious of "American Liberty and Freedom"? I'd have to put the kibosch on that one, too. From over here, the USA looks like a cross between Banana Republic and Fascist Police State. But of course, that's the liberal press's fault!

:-)