Bid to stay out during appeals fails. What will "the Decider" do now? Might as well pardon him - it can't get that much worse. Can it?

Well, Libby got more consideration than former Governor Seligman in Alabama. He was remanded into custody as soon as his sentence was handed down even though he's appealing his convictions as well.

Where is the usual "witch hunt", no crime committed, she wasn't even covert, Clinton got a beej crowd?

Where is the usual "witch hunt", no crime committed, she wasn't even covert, Clinton got a beej crowd?

Rush, Bill O. and Sean haven't issued today's marching orders yet. Be patient, they're coming....

What will "the Decider" do now? Might as well pardon him - it can't get that much worse. Can it?

Arbusto's presidency is so deep down the backyard hole that even the shithouse rats can't find it anymore. It'll be interesting to see, whether he issues the pardon now or closer to the end. Love to be a fly on the wall. Uh, of the White House, not the shithouse wherein Bush has consigned his presidency and personal reputation.

I believe Libby's sentence was just commuted!

Let the Dems start bitching about this.

Bush's favorability ratings just went up with me.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHA

I just had to laugh my ass off at this one.

Take that SPUDS and the rest of you democrat boot lickers!

There is a link on the back page.

Bush just commuted Libby's sentence.

He won't spend even one day in jail

Justice is served!!!!!!!!!


Think about it next time Joe Wilson when you lie about your trip.

Its time to indict Joe Wilson on making false public statements!

Yes--Libby's prision time was commuted.

He still pays the fine and likely loses his law license.

This was a goofy case from the start.

This will make the base happy for Bush to stand by his friend. And drive the Dems crazy.

It's a win win!

Murphy

If the Mafia had the power to commute the jails would only be half full.

Wots yer point?

Bush's favorability ratings just went up with me."

You really think so?

To quote You...

"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHA"

They are all criminals with badges.

Spud's investing heavily in piano wire futures.

Be Well.

If you work for Herr Bush, you can do no wrong!!! First and always a NAZI> screw the rule of law. Law is for the little people, not the gods.

Justice perverted.

The Bush legacy is toast. I suspect even his father will no longer be returning his calls. After all, as once being the head of the CIA, he knows as well as anyone the price that we pay when assets are compromised and when you add to that the fact that those involved will now go unpunished, our nation has taken another hard blow, only this time a blow from within.

OCU

Unless the "base" are a bunch of f'in idiots, I don't see how they would be happy.

This man was convicted of a crime, and is a felon. And was pardoned by the president.

The dems are probably overjoyed at this, because this has now become another arrow in the arsenal.

And the "base" is gonna be happy? That a man who just got convicted of a felony that would probably see the average joe executed for, just got pardoned by the man he did the dirty deed for.

the law is for suckers, not nazis

And the "base" is gonna be happy? That a man who just got convicted of a felony that would probably see the average joe executed for, just got pardoned by the man he did the dirty deed for.

Posted by KnightHawk at 2007-07-02 06:20 PM

Umm, he wasn't pardoned, his sentence was commuted. There is a difference, in that he has still been convicted of a felony and has to pay $250K and serve 2 years probation.

Bush Commutes sentence.

I LOVE IT!!!!!


Bush, helping the Democratic presidential hopefuls on a daily basis!!

Well, I guess IMPEACHMENT has just been put back on the table! Thanks George. Your contempt of our laws is precisely the final seed of your undoing and that of your entire criminal Administration.

Wish I was surprised. Every guideline on Presidential Pardons and commutation was ignored.

Bush shows his complete disregard for the law, his disapproval of the Rule of Law - by commuting Libby's sentence.

Lest you think I'm not happy I am. It's a joyous day.

72% of the American people polled said NO to "Should Pres Bush pardon Libby." 19% said "Yes." The distinction between pardon and commutation will be ignored.

Cry Tony Aroma Cry.

Crocodile tears if I ever saw them.

Wish I was surprised. Every guideline on Presidential Pardons and commutation was ignored.

Bush shows his complete disregard for the law, his disapproval of the Rule of Law - by commuting Libby's sentence.

Lest you think I'm not happy I am. It's a joyous day.

72% of the American people polled said NO to "Should Pres Bush pardon Libby." 19% said "Yes." The distinction between pardon and commutation will be ignored.

Posted by YAV

LOL FF

Bush, helping the Democratic presidential hopefuls on a daily basis!!

Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2007-07-02 06:25 PM

Case in point:

OBAMA STATEMENT ON LIBBY CLEMENCY

Mon Jul 02 2007 18:38:17 ET

"This decision to commute the sentence of a man who compromised our national security cements the legacy of an Administration characterized by a politics of cynicism and division, one that has consistently placed itself and its ideology above the law. This is exactly the kind of politics we must change so we can begin restoring the American people's faith in a government that puts the country's progress ahead of the bitter partisanship of recent years."

OCU

Bani, was these the same guidelines Clinton ignored for Mark Rich, a few pedophiles(Mel Reynolds), friends who paid Hillary's brother, and a couple of convicted drug dealers?

PARTY OVER COUNTRY!!

Briwo, we couldn't get up early enough in the morning to out do the dems at taking party over country!!

Well, I guess IMPEACHMENT has just been put back on the table! Thanks George.

Posted by tonyroma at 2007-07-02 06:29 PM | Reply

Tony, if you're gonna stroke that hard, I'd suggest coconut lotion. It stays slick over the long rub. And when you're done, it doesn't chafe.

Partisan bullshit aside, this is exactly what presidential pardons are for. Libby did not 'out' Plame and was convicted because of excess prosecutor zeal.

I know. I know. All of you mouth-breathers with the big vein on your forehead are desperate for someone -- anyone -- in the administration being crucified. And this lame-ass case was the best you were going to get.

But Libby did not pull a Hillary! (I don't recall, I don't recall, I don't recall) and instead got caught in the inevitable contradictions.

Now, he's been commuted. This is why such power is written into the Constitution. To protect people from the likes of you.

You are right YouKnewWho.... Bush commuted Libbys sentence.

No problem here... a commuted sentence for the fall guy.

So Scooter sells out our national security by obstructing justice in a case involving an undercover CIA agent working on possible WMD's in Iran.

Paris Hilton does jail time for driving with a suspended license and Scooter doesn't spend a single day in jail for helping to endanger our country in Bush's alleged "war on terror." hmmmm.

No problem here... a commuted sentence for the fall guy.

Posted by YoMeLIB at 2007-07-02 07:34 PM | Reply

And a nice, big, fat bank account in his name filled with millions in hush money in the Cayman Islands.

I am not surprised by this travesty nor by the hypocrisy of celebrations from "law and order" conservatives.

Too bad the right doesn't get as worked up about the fairness of the justice system when innocent people are being sent to death row and executed. Al Gonzalez used to spend maybe five minutes reviewing those Texas death penalty petitions.

This stinks to high heaven. So did Clinton's last minute pardons of scumbags like Marc Rich. If anyone needed an argument for a constitutional amendment to strike this power from the Presidency then they have another example. I doubt the Founding Fathers meant for it to be used in cases where someone was convicted by a jury of their peers and sentenced to only two years. Or where the use of the power was so clearly political.

This will echo for quite some time. A stark reminder, if we needed one, that we have several justice systems in this country. One for the well-connected and another for the rest of us.

Bani, was these the same guidelines Clinton ignored for Mark Rich, a few pedophiles(Mel Reynolds), friends who paid Hillary's brother, and a couple of convicted drug dealers?


Posted by YouKnewWho


no kidding...only voted for him once over GW's Trillionaire dad...never figuring his son could & would do more damage to America than 10 Clintons left in a harlot's farm in Amsterdam...

Typical Bush sleeze manuever to do his commute of Libby's jail term during a holiday week when all the regular commentators are out of town or off work along with a good portion of the American public.

I think I'm gonna puke.

Are you still using the fake deflection "Hillary Clinton"?
The Clintons and the Bush's are old time chums and cronies.
When Clinton was Governor of Arkansas, and George Sr. was smuggeling Contra Cocain, they were partners in crime rumming drugs into Mena airport.
When Clinton was president he was doing George sr. bidding with the signing of NAFTA and GAT.. The Big Idea! A new world order!
Now George jr is putting the lid on America's coffin with the signing away of American sovereignty thru the North American Union.
You watch, Hillary will come in next and pound the nails in the lid and bring in the next phase of draconian legislature, taking away the rest of Americas civil liberties and constitutional rights.
The all dance to the song of the Rockefellers and the CFR.
Its all a big puppet show for the sheeple.

Never mind....

Is there anybody, anybody at all, in this shitty administration who gives a fuck about anything, anything at all, except their own skins?

There go a few more Republican Senate and House seats down the toilet next election. Does Bush care? Do any of them care? Of course they don't. They're not running. The GOP has served its purpose and is no longer useful to them now that it no longer rubber stamps them. "Hey, suckers, go fuck yourselves", is their attitude now.

This will echo for quite some time.

Posted by FDR_Democrat at 2007-07-02 07:40 PM | Reply

Oh please, how about a small dose of reality? Toward the end of their terms all president use -- and abuse -- pardon power. Nobody cares but clowns like you. And nobody really cares what you think.

In this case, I don't care what you think: it's painfully obvious. Meanwhile, the rest of America is eating dinner and does not give a fuck what I think.

I know it hurts, but give up your sense of being a crusader. Unless being 'important' on this obscure Web site is all you have?

Vern,
If you don't care what he thinks, Why are you getting your panties all twisted?
You're not the sharpest tool in the shed Verno, but you are definately a tool.

Its all a big puppet show for the sheeple.

Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2007-07-02 07:52 PM | Reply

Well said for the jackass who gave up vigorous democracy for the warm, comfortable and easy damp diaper of EuroSocialism.

Just give me a bowl of gruel and a warm place to shit, and I'll be an obediant German,Dane,Dutch,Swede,Frog,N orwieine

If you don't care what he thinks, Why are you getting your panties all twisted?

Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2007-07-02 08:03 PM | Reply

Weak, Jeff, Very weak. Every retort is an attempt at tearing down the comments of others.

I really don't care, because the comments of losers like you, FDR, Tony, etc., are so painfully partisan that there is no room for genuine discussion.

It's all posturing and angling. I know the game. I could lay out 250 years of Presidential pardons and the rationale, and the only response would be " Bush Bad, Evil Greedy, Mean, Bad."

When discussing with neanderthals, what's the point of mentioning opera?

Fool

bush commuted his sentance

Jeff,

Seems there is a Bible verse to address this............

Matt. 7:6 -- cast not your pearls before swine

"I respect the jury's verdict," Bush said in a statement. "But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive.


what a lying sack of shit.

Shame, shame, shame. Disgusting.

so if the president uses his power to pardon
it is terrible unless its a dem then we will overlook. what is this?
are people advocating the abolishment of this presidential power?
is this case any different than the 396 PARDONS of the last administration?

just because he took a "victory" from libs it is wrong?


i can barely hear from all the whining

...was these the same guidelines Clinton ignored for Mark Rich,...

Posted by YouKnewWho at 2007-07-02 06:49 PM

The irony of course is that Scooter Libby was one of Mark Rich's attorneys that worked on his pardon case.

OCU

Unbelievable. Libby obstructs justice to hide the criminal conduct of the vice president and Bush keeps him out of jail.

This guy and his copresident are bigger crooks than Nixon.

i can barely hear...

Put "think" on that list too, eh?

Be Well.

Every retort is an attempt at tearing down the comments of others....

Yeah, ain't it fun.

bigger crooks than Nixon

Worse than Watergate.

Be Well.

"But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive....

Yeah, faux law school graduate Bush "concludes" -- HAH

That son of a bitch. Well there goes any possibility of oversight of this administration. All they have to do is delay and deny, and if any of them do get put under oath, they can just lie their ass off, and Bush will pardon them.
The entire Bush administration is effectively above the law.

And his prison sentence was excessive? That's a bald faced lie. If any of us lied under oath in a trial, we'd be rotting in jail, with no hope of a Bush pardon. What of all the pot smokers in jail, who harmed no one. Where's their Bush pardon due to an excessive sentence.


Oh and Vernon. You're a Filipino now, go worry about your own country. Nobody cares what an expatriate thinks.

Was President Bush right to commute Lewis "Scooter" Libby's prison sentence?

Yes 19% 1442 votes

No 81% 5967 votes
Total: 7409 votes

is there anyone on the right that can say honestly that this douchebag respects american law?

Salamander, if you operate under the notion that politics and government is like some retarded game of kickball, where my side beats your side, I pity you.

Where here or anywhere can you show me evidence that the people here on DR have cheered and applauded all pardons done by previous Democrat administrations? You can't, but in order to bolster whatver nutty point you're trying to make here today, you must first construct this innane presupposition.

Pathetic.

You simply don't care about governmental transparency, do you? You are far worse than the supposed "liberals" you attempt to indict with your falsehoods.

Live Vote
Do you agree with President Bush's decision to commute former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby's prison sentence? * 15334 responses

Yes
19%

No
81%
Not a scientific survey. Click to learn more. Results may not total 100% due to rounding.



29% and sinking. 18 more months of this douchebag.

I kind of liked the irony of RCade's original title for this thread, given the commutation of Libby's sentence later in the day.

rule of law, squawk, rule of law, squawk rule of law

...Bush left intact a $250,000 fine and two years probation for Libby, and Bush said his action still "leaves in place a harsh punishment for Mr. Libby."

my point was
this fervor brought on by this case is amazing. i don't remember any time where a pardon or in this case a commuted sentence brought on such a frenzy. if you dont think this is completely political your smoking a lot of crack

VP office outs a CIA agent to stifle a critic of the bush's war of choice.

One of the participants in said conspiracy is caught flagrantly lying to hide said offense.

Said participant is tried and convicted of what 6 felonies.

Receives fair trial and fair verdict.

likely coconsipirator to said participant commutes sentance.

god bless america.

gee I wonder why the rest of the world laughs at us?

meanwhile 336 americans have died in iraq since 4/1/07

Given some are already angling for some rich Republican to pay Scooter's fine, I guess the man's punishment is limited to peeing in a cup once per year and avoiding places where alcohol is served or sold.

Isn't that something? Most of us live in a world where a $2000 fine would be a personal and family disaster, and volunteers to carry that cross for us no where available.

most of us live in a world where if we were convicted of lying to a grand jury and obstructing justice we would spend a great deal of time in an orange jump suit.

meanwhile 6 americans have died in Iraq in the past 2 days.

remember THAT is what it REALLY is all about.

most of us live in a world where if we were convicted of lying to a grand jury and obstructing justice we would spend a great deal of time in an orange jump suit.

meanwhile 6 americans have died in Iraq in the past 2 days.

remember THAT is what it REALLY is all about.

I think we'll need to see how this plays with the American public. From the poll numbers cited above, I think there's going to be a recollection of Nixon. This is not good for Dubya.

"Please, please, don't kill me!"--George W. Bush, "Christian," with lips pursed, mocking Carla Faye Tucker, who had accepted Christ as her Savior and clearly turned her life around. He coulda commuted her sentence to life. But no,...

I don't remember any time where a pardon or in this case a commuted sentence brought on such a frenzy.

Well I don't remember us starting a war based on lies before.
And I don't remember a person who lied under oath to cover up the lies that started the war being pardoned before.

We're in uncharted waters, nothing about this is typical.

The power of the government is growing by leaps and bounds, another check to their power was just squashed, and the "small government conservatives" cheer in droves.

bigger crooks than Nixon.


Most of the top Bush thugs ARE Nixon and Reagan era criminals.

This is a clear message that lying, perjury, and obstruction of justice is righteous behaviour if done in support of this admin.

So, no worries Bushies, if you get caught in criminal activity, are convicted by a jury of your peers and are sentenced according to Federal guidelines, you will still not serve any time in prison because you have protected the GOP power elite and like any good criminal organization they will return the favor .

The silver lining is, of course, that as cynical as this abuse of Presidential authority is, it only underscores the corruption of the GOP for future voters.

Fourth of July:

Can we please have a Declaration of Independence from Bush and Cheney.

i can barely hear from all the whining

Posted by salamandagator

Is this whining, too?

Was President Bush right to commute Lewis "Scooter" Libby's prison sentence?

Yes 19% 1442 votes

No 81% 5967 votes
Total: 7409 votes

This is not good for Dubya.

you must be kidding. This is great for Bush's base who are feeling pretty unloved after the immigration debacle. Big Bump for Bush among traditional conservatives.

As for a moderate republican like me, it is an OK compromise. I didn't want him to pardon Libby. And I had hoped Libby would get 12-18 months -- but 30 months was too much and when the court wouldn't let Libby stay out of jail during his appeal (which I believe he will win) -- I can understand why Bush commuted the sentence. and I'm gals he kept the fine and probation in place.

This is not good for Dubya.

In Liberal-speak that means "We got beat by Bush again"

This is great for Bush's base who are feeling pretty unloved after the immigration debacle. Big Bump for Bush among traditional conservatives.

What does freeing a person convicted of a crime have to do with traditional conservatism?

Its time for law abiding Americans to show their disgust with the perversion of our legal system.

On the Fourth of July, fly Old Glory upside down as a meaningful protest that our President views the laws of this nation as impediments to the power he craves and uses without regret or remorse against the people he's sworn to serve, not serve up bullshit to.

apocalypto where is that poll from. Why don't you provide a link?

Bush was just doing what Cheney told him to, as usual. Probably they had to keep him out of jail so he would not become a turncoat and tell what he really knows.

The silver lining is, of course, that as cynical as this abuse of Presidential authority is, it only underscores the corruption of the GOP for future voters.

Most likely for the upcoming election. But let's not forget that voters have short memories.

I am glad Bush pardoned Scooter...this will ensure a Dem in the WH next year.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, Dubya! Now, back to your two-month vacation!

What does freeing a person convicted of a crime have to do with traditional conservatism?

Exactly. Where's the Soft-on-Crime crowd? If this had been a drug addict, the conservatives would be rioting.

Yep, a man who lied to protect Cheney is freed. Great for Bush's base of the have-mores.

Bad for America.

On the Fourth of July, fly Old Glory upside down

To reflect your upside-down views Tony?

This is not good for Dubya.

In Liberal-speak that means "We got beat by Bush again"

Posted by Bowa


FF!

Probably they had to keep him out of jail so he would not become a turncoat and tell what he really knows.

This I think is the truth. Libby lied under oath to protect Cheney. After his third night in prison he would have cracked just like Paris, and would have started spilling his guts to get out of there.

And I would have gladly traded his prison sentence for the truth. The truth is all I wanted.
But now Libby's silence is guaranteed, and the truth is lost.

Amazing how Democrats didn't even flinch when a sitting President perjured himself on the stand, a la Clinton; yet somehow this is "reprehensible."

Probably they had to keep him out of jail so he would not become a turncoat and tell what he really knows.

Why does the Illuminati hate America?

well at least now Bush is trying to appease his base, instead of his more recent plans of appeasing nobody...

Smart move by bush... the left will never come around in the next two years, and the right didn't want Libby in jail...

show of hands
if Libby had been convicted for something that had nothing to do with rove or cheney who would be as outraged

this has nothing to do with him it is the final insult to him that no one cares about him but about those people THINK he was protecting.

-Probably they had to keep him out of jail so he would not become a turncoat and tell what he really knows.

This is in all likelihood exactly what happened.

Libby threatened to turn State's evidence against Cheney if he went to prison, and got a last minute commutation from the same guy who delighted in executing prisoners in Texas.

But then, those poor souls never lied to protect Uncle Dick, either.

What does freeing a person convicted of a crime have to do with traditional conservatism?

RCADE, Most conservatives believe the whole Plame fiasco was just a political hit job -- that Libby should never have continued beyond the moment he realized Armitage was the leaker and that Plame's status was not covered by the statute protecting covert operatives. I think most believe that Fitzgerald had decided to "bag the elephant" (Cheney, Rove, or Bush) and when he couldn't do it -- he salvaged his failed investigation as best he could by indicting Libby

"Reprehensible"----Nice word. Not to beat a dead horse, but I'd reserve that term for Bush's various transfers of funds from American taxpayers to various insurgent groups or simple criminals in Iraq.

If "flinching" is important to you, flinch at that. You may wish to consider there will be no one to pardon Bush after 2008 when the true measure of his crimes, or incompetence amounting to criminality.

I've always thought this was one reason to fear Bush won't actually leave in eighteen months.

Bowa falls on his sword again...

"Probably they had to keep him out of jail so he would not become a turncoat and tell what he really knows.

This is in all likelihood exactly what happened.

Libby threatened to turn State's evidence against Cheney if he went to prison, and got a last minute commutation from the same guy who delighted in executing prisoners in Texas.

But then, those poor souls never lied to protect Uncle Dick, either."

Corky, what are the next lotto numbers. I had no idea you had a crystal ball. Were you at this meeting?

Amazing how Democrats didn't even flinch when a sitting President perjured himself on the stand, a la Clinton; yet somehow this is "reprehensible."

they didn't flinch when Clinton commuted the sentence of those Puerto_rican terrorist bombers involved in the murder of 6 people -- but this is somehow worse.

"When the true measure of his crimes becomes known..."

Cliton hasn't murdered 700,000 people either ~ yet:>)

Zed, you're getting into other issues that really have no bearing on this. The facts in this case are that if anyone should have gone down it was Armitage...Libby was being made into a scapegoat. Say what you want about Bush or whoever else you want, but don't send a man to prison for 30 months for something as ridiculous as this.

"falls on his sword again."


Wasn't that a Star Trek episode?

I'm getting into other issues, Brent? Pardon me, no pun intended, for deflecting your deflection.

Bowa falls on his sword again...

Not at all. My views on the Libby case have been consistent.

As I said, I think Libby should have gotten some jail time because whatever the politics that were involved he was still convicted of a felony by a jury of his peers -- but given that the sentence was excessive and he wouldn't be allowed to stay out of jail during his appeal -- I can live with the commutation of his sentence -- as I believe that Libby will clear his name when the verdict is overturned on appeal.

On the other hand, as I said in my answer to RCADE, I think most traditional conservatives (like Fred Thompson) saw the whole Plame fiasco as a political hitjob -- and I think they saw the whole trial as a sham because of that.

Try reading something other than WND and listening to Rush, Dalton.

In other words, get a clue.

It isn't a crime in this country to think for yourself, you know.

Not yet, anyway.


YES, BOWA

The Repub SP and the Repub judge were out to get the poor WH thug.

Uh-huh.

"falls on his sword again."


Wasn't that a Star Trek episode?

Posted by Zatoichi


or perhaps some (Roman?) past life...Cicero (or was it Cato? ~ I forget:>)would know

"Cicero (or was it Cato? "

Unfortunately Nero and Caligula are better metaphors.

I think most believe that Fitzgerald had decided to "bag the elephant" (Cheney, Rove, or Bush) and when he couldn't do it -- he salvaged his failed investigation as best he could by indicting Libby ...

Libby lied to the FBI. Fitzgerald is a Republican appointee. The notion this was a political prosecution is as false as the several-year talking point that Plame wasn't covert.

Corky, I never read WND. I do not listen to Rush or Hannity. They bore me w/ the constant defense no matter what. Your statement shows how good your "probably" is worth. I was just amazed at how far you can jump out on a limb w/ "probably". Why don't you deal w/ facts rather than make a prediction based on your opinion?

Bowa-
FOUR felonies. By a Republican prosecutor, and sentenced by a Republican judge, and had his appeal heard by Republicans.

Regardless of Libby. I wonder why Armitage has not been prosecuted? He has admitted he was "one" of the leakers.

Bowa-
re: ...that Libby should never have continued beyond the moment he realized Armitage was the leaker...

(I will assume you meant to type "Fitzgerald" instead of "Libby", unless corrected)

So, if one person leaks, there is only one leaker. Even though Libby's leaks pre-dated Armitage's leak, and all of the leakers were tied to information coming out of Cheney's office -- which Libby lied about to the FBI and the grand jury, thereby obstructing the investigation.

"Regardless of Libby. I wonder why Armitage has not been prosecuted? He has admitted he was "one" of the leakers."


no crime committed
this is about the opportunity to attack republicans not about justice or truth, never has been.
fizgerald himself said they did not have the evidence to prosecute anyone else

Dalton-
re: I wonder why Armitage has not been prosecuted?

Because he didn't lie to investigators pursuing the source of the information, which was Cheney's office.

Is that too complex?

Salamand-
re: no crime committed

According to the CIA, she was covert. A covert agent was outed, hence a crime.

(I will assume you meant to type "Fitzgerald" instead of "Libby", unless corrected)

That's correct -- thanks for catching that.

So, if one person leaks, there is only one leaker. Even though Libby's leaks pre-dated Armitage's leak

Armitage was the leaker to Novak who wrote the column that revealed plame's name.

It should have been a moot point anyway since Plame's status was never covered by the statute protectinvg covert agents.

"Antonio Barucco U. S. Army general court-martial 1945 Desertion in violation of the 58th Article of War "

"Edward Eugene Dishman W. D. Okla. 1983 Conspiracy to defraud the United States and Oklahoma counties, 18 U.S.C. 371 "

"Barbara Ann Gericke W. D. Wis. 1984 Conspiracy to introduce contraband into federal prison, 18 U.S.C. 371 and 1791"
"Robert Ronal Raymond D. Conn. 1972 Conspiracy to manufacture, receive, possess, and sell firearms silencers, 18 U.S.C. 371 "

"Richard Douglas N. D. Calif. 1998 False statements to a government agent, 18 U.S.C. 1001 "

"James Howard Lake D. Dist. Col. 1998 Illegal corporate campaign contributions (two counts), wire fraud, 2 U.S.C. 437g(d)(1)(A), 441b(a), and 441f, and 18 U.S.C. 2, 1343, and 1346

These are just some of the pardons Clinton gave out.

According to the CIA, she was covert. A covert agent was outed, hence a crime.

Boyd, According to the law, she was not covered by the statute protecting covert agents, hence no crime, hence no indictment for the leak.

Salamand-
re: this is about the opportunity to attack republicans not about justice or truth, never has been.

The prosecutor was a Republican appointee. The judge was a Republican appointee. The review judges were Republican appointees.

What part of that don't you understand?

It's not too complex it is just the fact that Armitage leaked the name yet he was not prosecuted. So if you don't lie it's fine to out a covert agent?

Bush left intact a $250,000 fine and two years probation for Libby, and Bush said his action still "leaves in place a harsh punishment for Mr. Libby."

Dollars to dog turds says Bush will PARDON him at the end of his term.

Commuting now makes Bush appear to be a little bit honest.

Dalton-
Armitage was not prosecuted for the following reasons:

1) he didn't lie

2) he was probably unaware of Plame's covert status

3)the classified information originated in Cheney's office, which is why Libby was convicted of, among other felonies, obstruction of justice.

You are clearly unaware of the facts, and have been listening to idiots for far too long, dude.

Boyd, According to the law, she was not covered by the statute protecting covert agents, hence no crime, hence no indictment for the leak.

Bowa-
re- According to the law, she was not covered by the statute protecting covert agents

As the CIA says otherwise, please explain.

Boyd, According to the law, she was not covered by the statute protecting covert agents, hence no crime, hence no indictment for the leak.



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This is patently Untrue LOKISFUR and You know it. She was covered under the Law but since Scooter Libby threw Sand in the upmires face They could not continue the investigation Hence no indictment for the Leak. Oh and let me also remind You LOKISFUR that Robert Novak declared unequivacably that there were 2 that is TWO Senior Administration Officials that told Him about Valerie Plame. One was Armitage and the other was Karl Rove. Please do try and get Your facts straight for You know not what You speak of.

Larry

Salamand-
re: "why does it matter who appointed them
if the judges are supposed to be unbiased?"

Because you said this, idiot:

"this is about the opportunity to attack republicans not about justice or truth, never has been."

Oh and why then did the Bush's CIA Declare a Crime had been commited by initiating the whole shebang in the first damned place. The CIA disagrees with You LOKISFUR.

Larry

There is the word "probably" again. How do you know the classified information originated from Cheney. I don't doubt you. I just wonder how you know the information originated from Cheney's office?

FF for Zatoichi for clever pun on my spelling error...

As the CIA says otherwise, please explain.

Fitzgerald knew who the leaker was (armitage who admitted leaking Plame's name) and he knew the law -- if Plame was covered by the statute, Fitz wuld have indicted armitage for the leak.

It is that simple.

" Because you said this, idiot:"

that did not pertain to the trial but to the ensuing frenzy

sorry sentences in wrong order
these martinis are kicking my ass

Salamand-
re: "why do you think he deserves jail time?"

Because he was convicted of four felonies in his obstruction of an investigation into the outing of a covert CIA agent.

He was complicit in treason, and blocked the investigation into that matter with lies.

Get it?

Sorry to repeat this

I WAS DEAD WRONG. I ADMIT IT. I SAID BUSH WOULDN'T PARDON LIBBY (tecnically it was a commutation, I get it). I AM ACTUALLY SUPRISED.

and apparently I am naive as well, at least regarding W.

"He was complicit in treason, and blocked the investigation into that matter with lies."
Boyd, I ask this honestly. Do you think he should be put to death for treason?

"He was complicit in treason, and blocked the investigation into that matter with lies."
Boyd, I ask this honestly. Do you think he should be put to death for treason?

Posted by Dalton


Who? Bush? Cheney?

Bowa-
I asked you this, following your statement (in italics)

re- According to the law, she was not covered by the statute protecting covert agents

As the CIA says otherwise, please explain.




Please answer the question (in bold)

The REAL question is, "What kind of dirt did Libby have on Cheney or Bush?".
If I was ole Scooter I'd stay out of small airplanes.

Dalton-
You don't seem to ask anything honestly. Maybe it's the martinis.

good byod
"Because he was convicted of four felonies"
the rest is bs
his crimes had nothing to do with anything but his "lying"
as long as you can remember that and not try to pin some conspiracy on him then your fine.
but if that is the case than this is no different that any other pardon(commuted i know) issued by any president before. the second you start spewing this bullshit that it was part of a cover-up without proof is the moment i lose all respect for anything you day

Boyd- do not waste your time. The "moderate republicans" in here do not listen to reason or facts.

IT has been factually stated a tohusand times that Plame was covert. That most of the legal eagles involved in this case were repubs.

THEY DONT CARE! This is a "Win" for their idiot football team, and that's all that matters. So the player who got the winning touchdown used a gun to clear the field...hey, they "won" the game.

And the game is more important to these people than Truth, Justice, or the American Way. We live in the land of the braindead.

"Dalton-
You don't seem to ask anything honestly. Maybe it's the martinis."


hey those are my martinis
dalton better not be stealing them from me

As the CIA says otherwise, please explain.

The CIA was wrong..just like they were wrong about WMD's in Iraq.

Fitzgerald obvioulsy looked into what the CIA said and decided they were wrong and Plame was not covered by the statute -- had she been covered by the statute Fitz would have indicted Armitage who had admitted to the leak.

Why do you keep focusing on what the CIA said -- the CIA wasn't doing the investigation -- Fitzgerald was.

"my spelling error..."

Posted by SamBarber



The word was not misspelled.

It was the wrong word.

Just because it sounds the same will not buy you shit.



I saw an ad on TV today for a "Wieght(sic) Loss" product. That's misspelling.

Salamand-
re: his crimes had nothing to do with anything but his "lying"

1. Why was Libby lying (it's what a prosecutor would want to know)

2. What was Clinton impeached for? (ie, what was the "underlying crime")

3. Are you drinking martinis, too?

5 years for possession of an ounce or more of marijuana but 'the decidererer' feels 2.5 years is too harsh for outing a covert agent.

How quaint.

Yeah, the CIA has been wrong about plame for 4 years, bowa. THey have no idea what the status is of a person who works for them.

You're an idiot. Stop voting.

Bowa-
re: "The CIA was wrong.."

Hmmmm. OK. You claim that the CIA was "wrong" about the classified status of their own agent.

At this point, you are so rididculous that it almost hurts to witness your meltdown.

"Dalton-
You don't seem to ask anything honestly. Maybe it's the martinis"

Maybe so. Does that mean you will not answer my honest question? You "probably" think I don't mean it.
Boyd, you made quite a few accusations based on "probably" and I gave you the benefit of the doubt and asked a question.

In Cognito you sound like Tadowe.

Yes, for those grasping at typing straws, there is no word such as "rididculous".

So don't be ridiculous.

Commuted. I don't agree with it. We needed the truth to come out. If there was no crime, the only thing to fear was the truth being twisted into a crime.

It is easier to prove the truth than to prove a lie to be the truth.

At least I won't have to read about such an unpopular decision as setting precedent.

Makes you wonder - does Congress really want to pursue the USA case or appoint an investigator to do the digging? I'd prefer Congress hand it over to an independent body and get back to Legislation.

Most Americans don't care anyway.

"Are you drinking martinis, too?"

hell yea but i started first
and now im out of gin im switching to kamakizis



"2. What was Clinton impeached for? (ie, what was the "underlying crime")"
that is the point of comparison
Clinton was not convicted of a crime
no criminal proceedings. why is libby different



1. Why was Libby lying (it's what a prosecutor would want to know)

i dont know but i can guaranty you if you were in front of a grand jury that many times they would catch you in some sort of
fallacy too

"hey those are my martinis
dalton better not be stealing them from me" I don't steal salamandagator. As a matter of fact I like to share the martinis. Unfortunately for you and Boyd I am not drinking tonight. Not drinking martinis anyway!

Dalton-
Your "serious" question was whether I wanted Libby shot?

Dude, this is known in most circles as "you really fuckin' lost that argument, dude. Quit now while you're behind, but not without any remaining testicles"

Armitage was the leaker.

But Dickey boy did that leaking at the behest of Karl Rove and Dick Cheney.

That "16 word" lie shoulda never been in the SOTU address.

The trail of the Niger lies lead straight to Cheney's desk.

This was a political vendetta, plain and simple, like a mafiosa hit.

All in aid of Iraq.

Libby deserves time as Dumbya and Cheney and Rummey et al, all deserve time.

somehow worse

Yes, Bowa, millions of refugees and hundreds and thousands of dead and earning the scorn and enmity of much of the planet is somehow worse.

Be Well.

"Not drinking martinis anyway"
sucks to be you

"tohusand"

"there is no word such as "rididculous" You need to be even handed now Boyd.

Zatoichi:
Ah, my bad again. Let me try a third time, just for you.

"I am glad Bush pardoned Scooter...this will insure a Dem in the WH next year, asshole."

Dalton- tadowe would be defending libby.

This is so ridiculous...Everyone involved in investigating, prosecuting, and sentencing libby appears to have been a republican.

The CIA knows what the status of their own agents is.

People like Bowa pretend to be a "moderate" and act just like bill oreilly. Ignore the well established facts, and defend someone who perjured themselves as long as they have an association with politicians who have a (R) next to their name.

This cognitive dissonance here is making my head spin like linda blair. Anyone excusing Bush's behavior at this point is mentally ill and should have their voting rights revoked.

Stop fucking over my country!

dethspud

proof buddy proof

by the way did i tell you my favorite side dish is mashed spuds
mmmmmmm tasty

Fitzgerald obvioulsy looked into what the CIA said and decided they were wrong and Plame was not covered by the statute -- had she been covered by the statute Fitz would have indicted Armitage who had admitted to the leak.

Why do you keep focusing on what the CIA said -- the CIA wasn't doing the investigation -- Fitzgerald was.

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Why do You keep on Lying. Even Patrick Fitzgerald declared Valerie Plame was COVERT. How hard is this to grasp for Your "Moderate Self" The CIA would know if one of their employees was COVERT or not. She was and they initiated the whole shebang. Sorry LOKISFUR You do not know whaty You are speaking about. Oh and let Me remind You that the only ones wrong about WMD in the CIA were the ones Cheney cherry picked to state Dubya's(Read His own) case. Do so ever try yet again.

Larry

Delinquent Republicans + Dithering Democrats = Rome Burning.

We're just about done, folks. Pack your bags and head north. It's cold but they got a lot of room, eh?

Hey "dude" why don't you talk about "probably" some more. " Boyd, I ask this honestly. Do you think he should be put to death for treason" I never said shot. But all you can offer is attack after attack and put words in the mouth of other posters. Just answer the question mr mealy mouth.

why do you bother dalton?
you expect honesty from the left?

It's not just your country In cognito. But set that aside. I only asked and gave Boyd the benefit of the doubt w/ his "probably" statement. I only ask why Armitage was not prosecuted? And should Libby be put to death regarding Boyd's "treason" statement.

Hmmmm. OK. You claim that the CIA was "wrong" about the classified status of their own agent.

The CIA knew Plame's status.

And Fitzgerald knew that her status was not covered by the statute. If it had been, he would have indicted Armitage who admitted the leak.. That he didn't is proof that Plame's status was not covered by the statute

What part of that don't you understand.

How about you explaining how if Plame's status was covered by the statute, Fitzgerald was not able to indict the man who had admitted to the leak?

I'm not hearing the same whining about justice that I heard when Clinton pardoned his pals. Could it be that Libby is somehow different or is the American system just so incredibly corrupt that it's a joke and just not a funny one?

Ignore the well established facts

You mean the fact that fitzgerald could find no law broken in the outing of valerie plame?

We're just about done, folks. Pack your bags and head north. It's cold but they got a lot of room, eh?

Posted by I_N_Cognito at 2007-07-02 10:49 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Hey My Fat Flat Flabby Ass loves the cold dude. I would be right at home up North. If I moved south I would burn up within a Month's time.

Larry

Salamandagator, I just expect more than "probably". Call me crazy but I think they would "probably" ask for more than "probably". I mean I could say Bill Clinton was "probably" a rapist but that does not make it so. Just "probably".

Dalton-
re: Do you think he should be put to death for treason" I never said shot.

Since you persist, I'll charitably answer the question:

I think Libby should serve the time he was given by the Republican judge following the four felony counts he was convicted of by the Republican prosecutor.

Armitage wasn't the initial leaker.

You can't prove libby performed treason because he lied that well, and then bush essentially pardoned him.

Sorry, but 4 federal counts and he gets 2 years probation and a 250,000 fine? That's not even a slap on the wrist for a millionaire, it's a blowjob.

Hell, I could pay that and do the two years. Big fuckin deal. Bush only commuted because a full pardon would have looked worse politically. And if fitzgerald did such a poor job shouldn't bush fire him?

W is full of shit, but at least he's got power. His sycophantic followers as as full of shit as he is, and all they get is shell games with their tax money.

Thank for the huge tax cuts though, but I'd prefer to have my old country back...

your probably right dalton

You mean the fact that fitzgerald could find no law broken in the outing of valerie plame?

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You just do not get it do You LOKISFUR. Scooter Libby Obstructed Justice IE He threw Sand in Patrick Fitzgeralds Face therefore the investigation could not continue. I can not believe(Well I can) that You do not grasp this.

Larry

You mean the fact that fitzgerald could find no law broken in the outing of valerie plame?

Posted by Bowa at 2007-07-02 10:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Funny, bush seems to have found 4 federal laws libby broke, and thought they didn't matter.

Libby lied well enough to save his bosses ass(cheney) and Dicks little puppet pardoned him. THis was all predicted years ago by libs, too. Pondscum is very predictable.

"had she been covered by the statute Fitz would have indicted Armitage who had admitted to the leak."

This has been debunked so often the repeating of it now rises to the level of lying.

The statute, as written, requires the leaker to know of the covert status. That could not meet the bar of proof in a court of law. That is the one and only reason Armitage wasn't prosecuted.

The other big lie is "there's no underlying crime". The Republican in charge could never determine that for a fact. To state that now is, again, a willful lie, and assumes facts not in evidence.

Has anybody heard from Danni.....She may be in total meltdown.....I respect the Presidents decision and Im looking forward to the day Scooter wins his appeal..

And thanks for all the ironic marc rich deflections at the beginning of the thread, righty tighhties.

Guess who marc rich's lawyer was?

*drumroll*

Scooter Libby you dumbfucks.

Clinton was not convicted of a crime.

This is very true. The jury was quite a different lot than Libby's.

The Senate is a dishonest jury. Don't believe me? Ask a lawyer if, as prosecutor, would have allowed most of the members of Congress to be on the jury.

Libby was convicted. We wanted the truth from him. He was served punishment as appropriate for his conviction.

The President exercised his right. That's part of the Constitution; like it or not.

"and if fitzgerald did such a poor job shouldn't bush fire him?"

cause that went great with the other prosecutor firings

Danforth- This has been debunked so often the repeating of it now rises to the level of lying.

That's our bowa...

And if fitzgerald did such a poor job shouldn't bush fire him?

Firing a Federal Prosecuter looks very bad... Letting a poor one stay on and the only thing he comes up with is a crime that he wasn't even investigating is a smart move.

President Bush didn't pardon Libby to make anyone from the Left happy... he did it because that's what his base wanted and lately they've been very pissed off.

prosecutor firings


opps i mean DA

Salaman- Bish cant have it both ways. he cant say fitzgerald did a good job and that he respects the law, then take the carpet out from under the process.

Now rob thinks fitzgerald is bad at his job. Hilarious.

Maybe he just can't compete with 2 branches of crooked govt? Nah...

"Thank for the huge tax cuts though, but I'd prefer to have my old country back..."

So you sent your tax refund back to the federal gov't b/c I am sure they would take it. In Cognito, I agree w/ your analysis but, you can not prove what you can not prove. I only mean that if Libby lied so good (I am not saying it is right) but how do you convict him? When Clinton was under fire I thought the whole "I did not have sexual relations w/ that woman" was shit. But that is the system we have. Not only did he commit perjury he went on national tv and lied to the citizens w/ a straight face. I only bring all of this up to say that our gov't has stolen the rule of law.

in cog
what do you mean?
did bush break a law in his almost pardon?
ill give you a hint NO

and did he say fitzgerald did a good job?
did he say he came to the right conclusion?

Bish cant have it both ways. he cant say fitzgerald did a good job and that he respects the law, then take the carpet out from under the process.

Posted by I_N_Cognito


Sure he can... He can say fitzgerald did a good job in finding out that there was no crime, except for Libby's dishonesty, and then he can say that the punishment for the crime is excessive and commute it down to just a fine and probation.

Every administration from Clinton going forward will have their pardons and commutations scrutinized and criticized...

Bowa-
You have stated that "According to the law, she was not covered by the statute protecting covert agents", and yet have offered nothing to substantiate this.

Your repeated defense is that since Fitzgerald did not prosecute under this statute that there was no crime, as if Libby's conviction under four felony counts of perjury and obstruction of justice is somehow not germane to the matter of why Fitzgerald was unable to prosecute under the law you pretend to understand.

Incognito, I only brought up Tadow b/c of the "team" reference. It reminded me of his diatribe. Nothing personal.

Now rob thinks fitzgerald is bad at his job. Hilarious.

Maybe he just can't compete with 2 branches of crooked govt? Nah...

Posted by I_N_Cognito


I'm not a lawyer... I have no idea if he did a good job or not...

But you asked why he would keep on a bad prosecuter, and my answer is the reason why he would.

If you're going to have to be reminded of what you said just a couple minutes ago this is going to be a very difficult conversation...

Petrous, and other fools:

What was the "underlying crime" in Clinton's impeachment?

What was the "underlying crime" in Clinton's impeachment?

Posted by Boyd


Porkin' a fat chick?

This has been debunked so often the repeating of it now rises to the level of lying.

In other words, I'm a liberal and I have no answer for you so I wil just accuse you of lying for even asking the question.

The fact is danforth that Plame was a desk jockey at Langley who was more commuter then covert. the statute was meant to cover CIA agents operating in foregn countries who, if there cover was blown, would be in grave danger.

Plame made herself the issue when it was discovered she had pushing for her husband to go on that trip to Niger -- in simple background research Novack discovered (from Armitage) that one of the major reasons for Wilson being sent on the trip was because his desk jockey wife who worked at the CIA had submitted his name to the higher ups.

That's what happened. No scandal. No conspiracy. No underhanded attempt to destroy Plame or Wilson.

The hysterical Left made the biggest mountain out of a molehill with the plame fiasco then the world has ever seen -- and thre are a lot of people who know this whole scandal was a bunch of bull from the beginning.

"What was the "underlying crime" in Clinton's impeachment?"

i told you nothing
same as libby

The Senate is a dishonest jury. Don't believe me? Ask a lawyer if, as prosecutor, would have allowed most of the members of Congress to be on the jury.

Libby was convicted. We wanted the truth from him. He was served punishment as appropriate for his conviction.

The President exercised his right. That's part of the Constitution; like it or not.

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This is funny Petrous sees nothing wrong about what Dubya did but has a Problem with the Senate acting as Jurors something "That's Part of the Constitution" as well. Funny dat Be.

Larry

Porkin' a fat chick?"


more cushion for the pushin

This cognitive dissonance here is making my head spin like linda blair. Anyone excusing Bush's behavior at this point is mentally ill and should have their voting rights revoked.


Posted by I_N_Cognito

FF! LOL

Rob- any coversation wiuth you is difficult. You cheer when your football team wins, even when it fucks the whole league/game completely.

And stick your clinton deflection in your ass. This is one more bad POTUS decision in a long line of bad ones, simply designed to save those on the top of the stratification system, while dicking over the rest of us.

Anyone in this "room" would have eaten a larger sentence for what libby was convicted of.

And thanks for all the ironic marc rich deflections at the beginning of the thread, righty tighhties.

Guess who marc rich's lawyer was?


*drumroll*
































Scooter Libby you dumbfucks.

Posted by I_N_Cognito

Another FF!

"Anyone in this "room" would have eaten a larger sentence for what libby was convicted of."


i call bullshit

This is funny Petrous sees nothing wrong about what Dubya did

There is nothing wrong with what he did... just because you don't think he should have done it, doesn't make it wrong.

Presidents have pardoned people and commuted jail times literally thousands of times over the the history of the presidency.

You have stated that "According to the law, she was not covered by the statute protecting covert agents", and yet have offered nothing to substantiate this.

The statute was meant ot cover agents operating in foreign countries, not desk jockeys at Langley commuting from home.

it's obvious that Plame was not covered by the statute OR THE LEAKER WOULD HAVE BEEN INDICTED. Armitage admitted to the leak of Plame's name, so it is not like Fitzgerald didn't have enough evidence.

This is one more bad POTUS decision in a long line of bad ones, simply designed to save those on the top of the stratification system, while dicking over the rest of us.

Posted by I_N_Cognito

How large is your ego that you think "Scooter" Libby's pardon is dicking you over?

When you're mom told you that you were special, she forgot to tell you her opinion didn't matter either.

"Maybe he just can't compete with 2 branches of crooked govt? Nah..."

I know you think the Executive branch is crooked but what is the other branch?

The employment history indicates that while she was assigned to CPD, Plame, "engaged in temporary duty travel overseas on official business." The report says, "she traveled at least seven times to more than ten times." When overseas Plame traveled undercover, "sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias -- but always using cover -- whether official or non-official (NOC) -- with no ostensible relationship to the CIA."

But she was a "desk jockey" according to bowa. God I loathe you.

Bowa-
re: The fact is danforth that Plame was a desk jockey at Langley who was more commuter then covert. the statute was meant to cover CIA agents operating in foregn countries who, if there cover was blown, would be in grave danger.

I guess it's the official word of the CIA versus the word of a drug-addled radio host and his sycophantic dittoheads on this one.

Later, folks. I'll maybe check into see how low the "patriots" will go on this sad affair, just to remind me of their lack of any credibility or conscience.

YOU ARE A PROPOGANDIST AND A LIAR, BOWA.

Whoa... careful Bowa... that was in all caps. He must be furious... LOL

This is so ridiculous...Everyone involved in investigating, prosecuting, and sentencing libby appears to have been a republican.

It's really kind of brilliant. There was nothing but Republicans running the entire distraction.

Libby takes the fall with a relatively minor conviction for perjury. At worst for Libby, the team will have to pay Libby's fine with tax money, while Libby retires reasonably well off, but with a criminal record. Life could be worse.

Better odds, Libby's buddy George pardons him in Jan. '08, and puts some more cash in his pocket. ALL OF THEM beat the treason rap, and they didn't have to do anything but waste time and tax dollars.

Isn't it fun, being above the Law?!

You know how rediculous this whole deflecting is. Think about it. The White House's folks involved in the outing of a CIA Covert Agent. Then the White House's CIA Demanding an investigation. When People are tried by a Person This White House picked to Prosecute it gets convicted this White House doesn't like it and like I N Cognito says pulled the Carpet from the one they Picked themselves. You on the right need to be asking Yourselves if You believe in Justice or Do You. Funny Dat be.

Larry

Frankly, I think RCADE should ban anyone caught lying like this 800 times. You are not here to discuss, only to dissemble and muddy the waters like a troll would. Get out of here!

Posted by I_N_Cognito


Frankly anyone that says another person should be banned because they just disagree with them is a pussy.

You and Corky should share maxi pads...

Rob- It hurts both of us. Once again it has been proven that their is one set of rules for the top of the stratification system, and another one for us.

You don't see this as a problem? You think you could get away with 4 federal counts by presidential pardon?

The rules dont apply to these people, but they crush us, on a daily basis. guily or not.

When I say "us" I mean the american people.

It's the top 1% of the country vs the other 99%, rob. And we are losing.

There is nothing wrong with what he did... just because you don't think he should have done it, doesn't make it wrong.

Robby Deer


Well, I agree with Robby here...no sinning on GW's end, just some interesting future "karma" to work with:>)



"A person who has a high degree of spiritual unfoldment will be balanced in his everyday life. He will use common sense and common courtesy with the people around him."

Frankly anyone that says another person should be banned because they just disagree with them is a pussy.

You and Corky should share maxi pads...

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-07-02 11:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

He's lying. Plain and simple. He gets caught doing this so often and keeps spreading the same lies. I'm getting tired of half of every thread being wasted by POS posters like him.

You can have your opinions, but not your own facts.

Bowa,

You're ignoring the facts at hand. TO REPEAT:

"...the statute, as written, requires the leaker to know of the covert status. That could not meet the bar of proof in a court of law. That is the one and only reason Armitage wasn't prosecuted."

You're claim the fact Fitz didn't prosecute Armitage because Plame wasn't covert is a lie, pure and simple. Your claim that due to the non-prosecution, that proves no crime was committed, is (I'll be kind) naive. Fitz didn't prosecute because the law was written so narrowly as to make a conviction impossible. And your dismissal of the CIA's own claim Plame was covert, as well as the proof offered in court of same, makes you a willful liar at that.

Larry want to call on the Constitution--

Well check our Article 2 Sction 2 --nimrod


And Clinton was found to have lied in deposition about the Palua Jones case..

And lying to the Amercan public about Monica--and to his wife and raping Broderick and on and on.

It will be interesting for Hillary to answer the question about this being right or not--since they accepted money for his library for the Marc Rich pardon.

This was commuted--meaning all the charges are still there. Just no jail time. And he is still fighting the whole thing on appeal.

It's amazing one can be put in jail for 30 months because your memory sucks.

Valerie was known to many in DC to be working for the CiA--no secret there.

ANd why would the CIA have sent Joe Wilson to Niger in the first place--except a CIA cabal who wanted to embarass the President for the phuck up they did with the WND and being called on it.

Murphy

Rob- It hurts both of us

No it doesn't...

You don't see this as a problem? You think you could get away with 4 federal counts by presidential pardon?


Wow, you're right... before today I had thought that the ultra rich and politically connected were subjected to the exact same treatment as John Q. Douchebag... this situation has totally opened my eyes...

All this on the same day that I realized that celebrities will get into a club before I do...

Frankly, I think RCADE should ban anyone caught lying like this 800 times. You are not here to discuss, only to dissemble and muddy the waters like a troll would. Get out of here!

IN, you can call me anything you want the fact remains that had any law been broken for outing valerie plame, Fitzgerald had more then enough evidence to get a grand jury indictment.

You can't explain that and nobody else here can -- the lame excuse that Armitage couldn't be be indicted because it couldn't be proves that he knew plame was covert is ridiculous -- first ignorance of the law is no excuse, and 2nd such info would not have prevented a grand jury indictment.

It must drive you crazy that for al the Lefty talk of a conspiracy in outing valerie plame, your superhero prosecutor Fitzgerals could not find even a single indictable crime had been commited in outing her.

LOL

"You don't see this as a problem? You think you could get away with 4 federal counts by presidential pardon?

The rules dont apply to these people, but they crush us, on a daily basis. guily or not.


When I say "us" I mean the american people."

InCognito I agree 100% percent. None of us would ever get away w/ this. Or anything like it and that is the problem. But it started w/ a POTUS that lied in court and on public tv.

Caligula has spoken, the only meaningful response would be to impeach. Unfortunately, the two pussies in charge (Pelosi & Reid) are fully committed to doing nothing.

What most people cannot comprehend is that we live in a Kleptocracy, the one Eisenhower warned us not to become.

Murphy- Whaty year is it, and who is president?

I wish bill clinton had never been born. It's all you assholes can talk about when W screws up.

ANd why would the CIA have sent Joe Wilson to Niger in the first place--

Because he was the former ambassador and knew his way around. PLUS the janitor at 7-11 was on vacation. Are you people really this dense?

you're = your

It's the top 1% of the country vs the other 99%, rob. And we are losing.

Posted by I_N_Cognito


No... we're not... our lives will not be changed in the slightest by this. Just like they were never changed by Clintons pardons, or Bush 41's pardons, or Reagan's pardons, or Carter's pardons, or Ford's pardons, or Nixon's pardons...

you see where I'm going with this?

But it started w/ a POTUS that lied in court and on public tv.

Posted by Dalton at 2007-07-02 11:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

It started long before that. Trust me. As much as I dislike clinton, his sins pale in comparison to this sorry bunch of criminals.

Dan writes-

Fitz didn't prosecute Armitage because Plame wasn't covert is a lie, pure and simple. Your claim that due to the non-prosecution, that proves no crime was committed, is (I'll be kind) naive. Fitz didn't prosecute because the law was written so narrowly as to make a conviction impossible.

BS--ignorance is no excuse--if Plame was covert--Armitage would have been charged.

She was a desk jockey as someone put it--a likely important job --no doubt. But she was not covert.

I love Bruce Willis--he's on the Daily show right now.. Great guy and I heard the movie was kickass.

Murphy

"had any law been broken for outing valerie plame, Fitzgerald had more then enough evidence to get a grand jury indictment."

It's clear: you have no idea of the law of which you're speaking.

i have to reiterate is libby the one who you libs are mad at?
if so would you be satisfied if he went to jail?
if not why would you punish him for someone else's alleged crimes?

Rob- Exactly. Nothing has changed.

We are still living by a different set of rules than our masters. That was my point. You and I are worth less than nothing to these people. And they even convince us to argue with each other instead of beheading them.

See where I'm going with this?

Salam- Four federal counts were all his own, bud.

"Fitz didn't prosecute because the law was written so narrowly as to make a conviction impossible. '


what the hell?
doesn't that mean no crime?

"- first ignorance of the law is no excuse"

It is in this case, don't you get that?!? That law allows innocence via ignorance.

BS--ignorance is no excuse--if Plame was covert--Armitage would have been charged.

Wrong. The law in question is VERY difficult to prove. It requires intent.

Bruce Willis thinks a govt conspiracy killed JFK. Still love him, murphy?

Lying to the federales is still a crime where I live, salamanda.

"Four federal counts were all his own, bud."
exactly so he is no different than others pardoned for pejury right?
i don't hear any indignation over pardons of the past

Rob- Exactly. Nothing has changed.

And yet we've been able to live our lives through thousands of pardons...

Of course there is a different set of rules for politicians. There's a different set of rules for Athletes too... moviestars and rockstars also...

Is it good? No... is it how the world has worked since pretty much forever? Yes. This decision, like every one that has preceeded it has no impact on either of our lives or the majority of Americans...

In fact the only people this ruling has any effect on is the Libby family.

"But she was not covert."

Another patriot who knows more than the CIA and the investigators put together.

the statute, as written, requires the leaker to know of the covert status. That could not meet the bar of proof in a court of law. That is the one and only reason Armitage wasn't prosecuted."

That's bull. lefties all over the blogosphere have been inferring that the WH knew Plame's status which is why they outed her as part of a conspiracy to destroy her -- and now you are saying that Armitage, the source of the leak, the reason for the investigation -- did not know plames' status? That is laughable.

In any case, the burden for a grand jury indictment is low -- and all Fitz would have had to do is prove that Plame was covered by the statute and that Armitage leaked the name -- the question as to whether or not Armitage knew Plame's status or not would be for the jury to decide.

But fitz didn't even get an indictment -- because he knew that Plame wasn't covered by the statute -- it is that simple.

I know it must drive you crazy that Libby is the consolation prize -- and you've had to watch your whole conspiracy against the Bush administration go up in smoke.

It's kind of funny actually.

Caligula has spoken, the only meaningful response would be to impeach. Unfortunately, the two pussies in charge (Pelosi & Reid) are fully committed to doing nothing.

What most people cannot comprehend is that we live in a Kleptocracy, the one Eisenhower warned us not to become.

Posted by nutcase

Par for the course...

A birdy?

Oh wow Murphy is calling Me a Nimrod. Me thinks Murphy has the Hots for Me. Boy She knows how to turn Me on THAT is for certain.

Larry

"because he knew that Plame wasn't covered by the statute -- it is that simple."

Again, assuming facts not in evidence.

"Fitz didn't prosecute because the law was written so narrowly as to make a conviction impossible. '


what the hell?
doesn't that mean no crime?


Posted by salamandagator


In regards to what Fitz was investigating, yeah, there was no crime, and mainly to do with the way the law was written...

But a crime was committed...

what the hell?
doesn't that mean no crime?

Exactly salman. Either way Danforth turns he finds that no crime was comitted for outing valerie Plame.

Which is why all he can do is cry "liar" over and over.

Plame made herself the issue when it was discovered she had pushing for her husband to go on that trip to Niger -- in simple background research Novack discovered (from Armitage) that one of the major reasons for Wilson being sent on the trip was because his desk jockey wife who worked at the CIA had submitted his name to the higher ups

Does it make you proud to see this admin continually stonewall and obfuscate and declare excutive privilege and not only refuse to hand over documents but actually destroy them?

Just askin'.

They're crooks.

Be Well.

"Trust me. As much as I dislike clinton, his sins pale in comparison to this sorry bunch of criminals."

My only point is that it started a trend w/ Bill and Hillary that if you can't prove it, it did not happen. You know the whole vast right wing conspiracy. That laid the ground work for future criminals. I don't thing Bush is a criminal for this. He has the right and power to pardon commute or anything else he wants to do regarding law breakers.

BS Dan--

Just because someone says they don't know --doesn't protect them from breaking the law--and being prosecuted.

"Oh I didn;t see the stop sign officer"

You still get the ticket buddy.

Just look at Libby--

Everyone knows the woman works at the CIA--and that she is Wilson's wife. She is listed in Who's Who for crying outloud. Really a covert operative there--don't you know...

No one knew that she was covert--because she wasn't covert--plain and simple.

Murphy

Again, assuming facts not in evidence.

Fact -- Armitage admitted the leak
fact -- The statute covers foreign agents
Fact- Plame was a desk jockey at langley, not a foreign agent
Fact--Fitzgerald knew the statute, knew plames status, knew the leaker and decided not to indict.

As far as Gonzo is concerned--he should resign.

I don't appreciate 71 I don't recall answers.

And I don't appreciate him not prosecuting Sandy Burglar for stealing from the National Archives--stuffing papers in his pants and socks. He should have served time too--

Don't you agree??


Murphy

My only point is that it started a trend w/ Bill and Hillary that if you can't prove it, it did not happen.

Watergate. I can go back farther, your personal obsession with Billary aside.

Murphy- She is listed in Who's Who for crying outloud

prove that. Prove her NOC name is on the who's who list or STFU.

"BS Dan--

Just because someone says they don't know --doesn't protect them from breaking the law--and being prosecuted."

Yet another idiot who doesn't know the law being dicussed. Armitage would have had to know she was covert and Fitz would have had to prove that in a court of law.

Besides there's a HUGE underlying crime: lying to the grand jury, repeatedly, under oath. Before Fitz knew about Armitage, he knew Libby had lied to him. It's only responsible to follow any lie to it's conclusion once uncovered in an investigation...as Ken Starr taught us all.

And Nixon pardoned 927 in his stint. I'm impressed.

You can all preen and parse like junior college debate club wonks all you like, but in the end, history will illuminate this administration with the naked light of truth and you fucking Quislings will ultimately get real tired of the taste of crow. If ever there was a polarizing event manufactured by this administration to take the focus off their other, more glaring failures, it's this. A line has been drawn, and with it the foundation for a wall that will forever insure the continued enmity of our people.

I know which side I'm standing on...do you? Do you really?

Prove her NOC name is on the who's who list or STFU.

Posted by I_N_Cognito


Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa-fucking-whoa...
are you saying she really is listed in that silly Who's Who book?

Murphy- A clinton deflection AND a sandy berger deflection.

I hope you get paid well for this crap.

Dem or rep it doesn't matter folks. Both teams have, generally speaking, no respect for us. We are treated as children.

And after reading over the sad partisan deflections in this thread, i can't blame them. We're an obtuse country, more interested in little day to day "victories" and touchdowns by whatever colored jersey we like, as opposed to having pols that follow the constitution and actually give a shit about represented us.

My predicition is that the American public will punish GOP candidates now unless they oppose this commutation. The numbers just don't add up for this to blow over. After two weeks of Cheney claiming to be above the law, now this, and the message is reaching Americans loud and clear: It's 1775 again.

I honestly believe the GOP has now become a sliver party, a rump party, an empty shell to be rejected. Wait and see how everyone votes.

But, uh, I do hate to interrupt your spin fest here tonight.

Danforth- Your truth and brilliance are lost on the deaf and blind.

Go get some work done in the real world, and leave the morons in darwins care.

I'm out.

"Fact -- Armitage admitted the leak"

But not that he knew she was covert and it was his intention to out a covert agent.

"fact -- The statute covers foreign agents
Fact- Plame was a desk jockey at langley, not a foreign agent"

Your bullshit is lame. The CIA disagrees with you, and your only response is 'the CIA is wrong'. Thanks, but I'll believe the folks telling the truth.

"Fact--Fitzgerald knew the statute, knew plames status, knew the leaker and decided not to indict."

Then I guess had Scooter just told the truth, everything would have been okay, right?

Prove her NOC name is on the who's who list or STFU.

Posted by I_N_Cognito at 2007-07-02 11:37 PM |

In--

It was in Robert Novak's interview on CNN--He was told that "Wilson's wife--Valerie Plame-- got him the job assignment to go to Niger".

So Novak goes to the Who's Who and found her listed --confirming that she was Wilson's wife--Valerie Plame.

And when he was investigating--NO ONE at the CIA advised him she was covert or a CIA operative--he called to confirm she worked there. Novak said if they had told him NOT to print her name--because she was covert or important--or blowing some project--he would not have printed her name.

So you STFU! ;o)

Murphy

We are all equal. Some are just more equal than others.

In cognito, you constantly cry obsession when I am only repeating facts of the previous admin. As far as going back in time i am sure you can. I can show where Lincold suspended habeus corpus. Do you condemn him for doing so? What about FDR? Do you condemn him for placing German's and Japanese in prison? All of that is shit. Clinton was the last president and therefore he is fair play.

ANd why would the CIA have sent Joe Wilson to Niger in the first place--except a CIA cabal who wanted to embarass the President for the phuck up they did with the WND and being called on it.

Murphy-
The CIA asked Novak not to print her name, and she was not listed in Who's Who as an employee of the CIA, douchebag.

Wilson's wife--Valerie Plame-- got him the job assignment to go to Niger".

Complete lie. Plame didn't have the authority to send joe anywhere, except the couch. She suggested him, and he was sent by the higher ups. Um, like cheneys office, perhaps?

Anyone with a functioning brainstem knew the truth about your talking point 2 years ago.

The CIA DID tell novak not to print her name.

You people cant even get recent history right, and we were telling you about it at the time 24/7. In 2 years you'll be getting the same facts wrong about current events now, even though we're screaming facts in your stupid ears.

And to be truthful--most Americans don't give a shit about this --

It's funny to hear Biden tell folks to contact the WH and tell them they displeasure about this decision.

Poppycock--

ANd if you think Hillary is going to be the next President--because she is going to be the Dem nominee--go for it.

Too funny!--She has done nothing--she would be nothing--she is nothing --except for being Bill's wife!

She is nothing except a NY Senator who does nothing.

She has 52% negatives for the country.

She can't win a state other than the ones won by Kerry. That means no winnie for Hillarie.

Murphy

"NO ONE at the CIA advised him she was covert or a CIA operative--he called to confirm she worked there. Novak said if they had told him NOT to print her name--because she was covert or important--or blowing some project--he would not have printed her name."

But they can't. The CIA's already confirmed the call and stated they were not allowed to confirm, deny, or warn Novak, as per the law.

Another talking point debunked.

THe CIA has LONG said that Wilson was chosen for the trip by the Directorate of Operations counterproliferation division.

because he had handled a similar situation in niger in 1999.

God damn it these are the facts. Learn them or SHUT UP!

So Novak goes to the Who's Who and found her listed --confirming that she was Wilson's wife--Valerie Plame.

Eye roll please..

Hearsay from Novak....suuure...that's proof.

And DICK CHENEY was the one that requested the information on Niger, which led to Wilsons 2002 trip. THIS is according to a 2004 report of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.

2004! You're three years behind, murphy! STFU!

"She can't win a state other than the ones won by Kerry. That means no winnie for Hillarie."

Wow...unaware of electoral politics as well, and the impact the immigration bill fiasco will have on New Mexico and possibly Florida.

"The CIA took them 16 words outta the SOTU.

BushCo put 'em back in." So Partisan you can't see. The British still back those words!

Danforth- "pearls before swine" comes to mind. I can't stop, either. I keep thinking maybe one fact will penetrate these thick skulls and all my time will have been worth it.

Probably not, but at least I tried.

The British still back those words!

Too bad reality doesn't. Or did Sean Hannity find WMD's in iraq for the 50th time?

The CIA asked Novak not to print her name, and she was not listed in Who's Who as an employee of the CIA, douchebag.


Posted by Boyd at 2007-07-02 11:49 PM


This is BS per NOVAK--not me!

He screamed it on CNN!

And how is Wilson qualified to check out anything except the toilet!

"Uh-- did Saddam try to buy yellow cake from you guys?"

"Uh--No Joe."

That was the extent of his thourough investigation with the Nigerians--and over expresson in a cafe!!!

He was recommended by Plame--his wife to get the assignment--plain and simple there--and you make such a big deal--It's not a big deal when the wife get's you a job!

But it is for Wilson and his ego.

Murphy

im drunk
im going to bed
im a cucumber

Can we all just agree that Bush is an immoral coward?

The hypocrites on this board are unbelievable. The cries of righteous indignation are ridiculous.

How many of you have used illegal drugs, sold illegal drugs, drank underage, shoplifted, drank and drove intoxicated, hit something while no one was around and drove off, vandalized someone else's property, slept with an underage girl, or committed any offense for which you were not caught?

Did you turn yourself into the police?

Have you ever lied to the police to get out of trouble?

When all of you lying hypocrites line up and take your medicine you can come back and bitch about Scooter Libby.

"Can we all just agree that Bush is an immoral coward?"

more balls than you

That was the extent of his thourough investigation with the Nigerians--and over expresson in a cafe!!!


Ohh?...So you were there then?

"Uh-- did Saddam try to buy yellow cake from you guys?"

"Uh--No Joe."

That was the extent of his thourough investigation with the Nigerians--and over expresson in a cafe!!!

More "facts" from Novak.

It was very easy for wilson to check with the owners of the mines in nigeria, since he knew them all from his ambassador days.

HW Bush had nothing but praise for Wilsons work. Same with clinton in the late 90's.

But W's admin thinks he's a lying hack, and then lies about his wife sending him to nigeria(when she has no authority to do so)?

Gosh, it must be Wilson who's the bad guy here.

You're just not very good at this murphy. The shit you spew was debunked the week it came out. Three years ago.

You knew-
re: How many of you have used illegal drugs, sold illegal drugs, drank underage, shoplifted, drank and drove intoxicated, hit something while no one was around and drove off, vandalized someone else's property, slept with an underage girl, or committed any offense for which you were not caught?

Um, thanks for the confession, but this really isn't the forum for that.

Again, I say the American public will punish Republicans now. Watch them die on the vine. Most Republican voters eventually admitted Nixon was a crook. Now the vision of George Bush springing Libby and sidestepping justice recalls that figure in our national narrative--and Bush and his regime look like Nixon with this move, big time.

It will be interesting to see how the media plays this--the papers, the networks, cable--and our good ol' Internet, where you can make things up and keep insisting they're true no matter what. Well, a few dim bulbs might believe you after a while. Congratulations.

Murphy-
The CIA asked Novak not to print her name, and she was not listed in Who's Who as an employee of the CIA, douchebag.


Posted by Boyd


Somebody states the obvious!

I've been listed since 92/93 in Who's Who International, but that doesn't make me a covert CIA agent.

I've wanted Clinton impeached for his numerous lies since OKC Bombing...too, not for silly BJ's on stained dresses!

It would nice if BJ Clinton sex toy issues were ignored & more real agendas addressed, but this is Drudge Retort:>)

Youknew- How many times have you committed four felonies and then been let off by the president?

yeah, but someone here smoked some weed once, so who cares...right? I was jaywalking yesterday!

Moron.

But not that he knew she was covert and it was his intention to out a covert agent.

Danforth, the statute implies that Armitage by virtue of his security clearence and his access to classified information (he knew Plame suggested Wilson for the trip) would have or should have known that plame was covert threfore he should not have revealed her identity to a person not able to receive classified info (Novak).

Had she been covered by the statute, the burden to prove he did not know Plame's status would have been on Armitage.

That is one reason wht it makes no sense that Artmitage wasn't indicted if Fitz truly believed Plame was covert under the statute.

The second point is that "covert" under the statute requires "service" in a foreign country in the past five years. There is considerable dispute over what "service' means with lefties arguing that any trip abroad qualifies, while others maintain that the intent of the statute was meant to protect agents who are "serving" overseas on a regular basis.

The definition has never been litigated -- so neither side can claim ownership of it -- Obviously, Fitz did not believe there was a strong enough case to make that Plame, a desk jockey at Langley who may have had a single short trip overseas in 2002, was covered by the statute.

But the bottom line is that with all the information that Fitzgerald collected he couldn't even meet the low burden of proof needed to indict even a a single person for outing valerie plame.

"Your courageous leadership during this period of great danger for American interests and American citizens has my admiration and respect ...I salute, too your skillful conduct of our tense dealing with the government of Iraq. The courage and tenacity you have exhibited throughout this ordeal prove you are the right person for the job."
--President George H.W. Bush commending Wilson's service in the run-up to the first Gulf War.

How many of you have used illegal drugs, sold illegal drugs, drank underage, shoplifted, drank and drove intoxicated, hit something while no one was around and drove off, vandalized someone else's property, slept with an underage girl,

HEY!...We really don't need to see your rap sheet. Is your probation over soon?

Joseph A. Yasak convicted of

Knowingly making under oath a false declaration regarding a material fact before a Grand Jury, 18 U.S.C. 1623

pardoned by Bill Clinton on January 21, 2001.

Wheres the outrage. Doesn't the rule of law matter to dems. Of course if a republican is involved.

OK Murphy- Let's pretend your silly talking points that were debunked years ago have merit, and follow them logically anyway for fun.

Wilson didnt do anything in Niger but drink coffee.

W Had access to the greatest minds in the intel world.

Wilson was right about he uranium, W was not.

ROFL!!!

RULE OF LAW!!!!


oh wait...





republicans

This shows how corrupt the whitehouse has become.

Who's Who?

Uh-huh.

Yeah, listed as the wife of famous diplomat.

It didn't say oh, and BTW she's a spy too

SHHHHH!

from wiki...

Valerie Plame was an undercover operations officer until outed in the press by Robert Novak. . . . Valerie Plame was a classmate of mine from the day she started with the CIA. I entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985. All of my classmates were undercover--in other words, we told our family and friends that we were working for other overt U.S. Government agencies. We had official cover. That means we had a black passport--i.e., a diplomatic passport. If we were caught overseas engaged in espionage activity the black passport was a get out of jail free card.
A few of my classmates, and Valerie was one of these, became a non-official cover officer. That meant she agreed to operate overseas without the protection of a diplomatic passport. If caught in that status she would have been executed.
The lies by people like Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, and P. J. O'Rourke insist that Valerie was nothing, just a desk jockey. Yet, until Robert Novak betrayed her she was still undercover and the company that was her front was still a secret to the world. When Novak outed Valerie he also compromised her company and every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company and with her.

Murphy-
Get a grip:

Tenet admitted that the "sixteen words" concerning yellowcake from Africa should not have been in the SOTU, and then he resigned.

January 20, 2001.

Youknewwho-

Use a time machine and convince me to blog back in 2001 and you'll get the appropriate(and timely outrage)

It's 2007. I didnt start on here until a few years ago, so stick your clinton deflection in rob's asshole.

Joseph A. Yasak convicted of

blah blah blah


Never heard of him. Nice Clinton deflection though.

Got that murphy? Latte drinking "do nothing" Wilson

(who was praised by W's daddy, but is now the enemy because he told W "no")

GOT IT RIGHT! And your hero W, who had access to any intel he wanted, DIDNT!

A lazy good for nothing egotist douchebag, as you seem to think wilson is, beat the POTUS to the truth!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Murphy-
re: Wilson didn't check out anything--don't YOU get that!

Murphy

Then why did Tenet back away from the Niger yellowcake claim and resign the same week that Wilson's article was published?

And finally, in July, when preparing his column, Novak called Wilson to try to get confirmation about his wife's employment. Wilson declined, but he told CNN that Novak claimed he'd gotten the tip from "a CIA source." But when Novak's column appeared, he informed readers he was relying on "two senior administration officials," not a CIA informant. When Wilson called Novak on it after the column ran, Novak said he "misspoke" when he mentioned a CIA source.

You know what is Ironic is His Father declared that those who out Covert AGents are insiduous traitors to AMerica. Funny His SON does the dirty deed that He hates.

Larry

Is there any right winger in here with even a semblence of logic or fucking sense?

Bowa ran away like a whipped puppy. The rest aren't giving the RNC their monies worth here.

Hello? Bueller?

Murphy-
BTW, what's "expresson"?

I got a parking ticket once.

FREE SCOOTER!

-You Knew Who

Joseph A. Yasak convicted of the same thing as Libby which is lying to grand jury.

Pardoned by Bill Clinton January 20, 2001.

So if Bill Clinton pardons someone for the same thing as Scooter Libby it is O.K. but not if Republicans do the same.

Sincerely, The fake plastic left

Wondering if YouKnewWho is Box itch with yet ANOTHER Handle.

Larry

I'll say it again tonight.

Cry democrats cry. Your tears are so fake.

As for me I am having cake.

Two wrongs make a right.

Sincerely, You knew who.

I'll buy ya a newspaper if you promise to look at today's date, YKW.

And then figure out that it's 6 years later than everything you've talked about in this thread, numbnut.

Youknew-
Sorry for the rude statement to follow, but someone really needs to say it:

You're a fuckin' idiot.

Ah, here it comes the usual calling someone Niceville or Boxitch or some other used to be here banned person.

Very weak LarryMole.

SHe had not been covert for over 5 years--again that's the statute's talking point--not mine.

When Novak asked the WH--

"Well--Who sent Wilson to NIger--The WH responded

Wilson's wife--who works for the CIA---

Novak looked in Who's who and found Valerie Plame's name--wife of ambassador

He then calls the CIA and they confirmed she worked there. And they NEVER told Novak to not release her identity.

And everyone knew she was Wilson's wife and worked --doing something for the CIA--

And if folks here don't recognize the BS of the entire case--well--you are not thinking about this issue critically.

Bush --like Clinton has the power to commute and pardon anyone they want.

You may not agree with it --but there it is...

There are consequences--no doubt.

But look at this critically and see that there was a CIA Cabal against Bush and Valerie was certainly a part of it--as well as her husband.

Murphy

Two wrongs make a right.

Sincerely, You knew who."

three lefts make up the brain power of one right

Spud, I happen to agree, treason it may well have been. That's why the furious spin. Either you serve your country, or you betray it. This was betrayal, a dirty trick for political protection. Covering for what may well be a genuine war crime as defined at the Nuremberg proceedings: Going to war under false pretenses.

In the list of 10, it's the one about bearing false witness against your neighbor. A grievous sin before the Almighty, and, per Nuremberg, an international war crime, and said to be the worst one, at that.

Well, it's all in the world's lap now, and the nation's. Seems this might stir the dust a good bit more than it settles it. Certainly is attracting attention.

Boyd, cry and whine and bitch a bunch cause the more you do it the happier I feel.

BTW, what's "expresson"?


Posted by Boyd at 2007-07-03 12:12 AM

Mister Spell Checker...;o)


Murphy

Bowa ran away like a whipped puppy.

LOL

Whipped?

not a chance.

IN, I love watching you Lefties run around in circles trying to explain how it is Armitage didn't even get indicted.

Hint: Plame wasn't covered by the statute. No crime was comitted.

LOL

God these deluded UNPATRIOTIC UNAMERICAN Citizens. When You allow Injustice to occur without batting an eye You do a disservice to what America Stands for. Do You even realize this??

Larry

Lincoln Pardoned Civil war deserters, the damn hypocritical repubs!br />

Boyd got it. You're a fucking idiot, YKW.

"Danforth, the statute implies..."

Thank you for pointing out the ambiguity and proving my point.

Pardoned for "obstructing justice" in pursuit of a crime some douchebag prosecutor can't even demonstrate ocurred.

Congratulations, Bush.

This is the first one you've gotten right in months.

The mouth-breathing lighting up the left-wing blogosphere tonight, and the requisite entertainment it provides, is enough justification in itself for the pardon.

You'd think that 7 years of "lying" and "criminal" activity---culminating in a Democrat revolution and seizure of power---might yield a little more than ole Scooter's imagined transgressions.

But it hasn't.

And Bush has, with the stroke of a pen, taken away the one fucking scrap that was ever tossed to the angry little bottom feeders.

Now we gotta go back to looking at the dot.

LOOK AT THE DOT!!!

ITS NOT A REFLECTION, GODDAMN IT!

IT MOVED!!!!

Bowa- maybe one day you'll actually link to, and understand the law you pretend to know about.

Until then, it's another "victory" for you, eh? Great job, you have defended an administration that outed(though seemingly in a technically legal sense) a WMD expert that was trying to stop nuclear proliferation from reaching IRAN and other dangerous places.

Take 5 bowa, and throw yourself and your republican friends a big party, you sorry SOB. I'm sure the pizza party memories will help you through living in a fallout shelter when the bombs fall, nimrod.

GO W!

SHe had not been covert for over 5 years--again that's the statute's talking point--not mine.

Actually, that's Limbaugh talking. The CIA says otherwise.

Hey don't use Murphy's pet name for Lokisfur. Now I feel cheated. Story of My Life.

Larry

Pinche-
Nice to know that you're on the same page with the other traitors, as if that were ever in doubt.

Hey pinche: who put fitzgerald on the job again?

God I done fucked up THAT post.

Hey don't use Murphy's pet name for ME on Lokisfur. Now I feel cheated. Story of My Life.

Larry

Clinton pardoned a goddamn communist terrorist.

Bush pardoned a guy that James Carville defends.

One has to giggle at the outrage.

Bush gets it right, Pinche?...hardly, but just the same you got a FF for the moving dot(s:>)


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Hey pinche: who put fitzgerald on the job again?

Posted by I_N_Cognito at 2007-07-03 12:31 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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I believe Technically John Ashcroft with Dubya's blessing.

Larry

She wasn't COVERT!

She worked for the CIA--she was in NO danger!

And how can a woman be in danger when she puts herself on the COVER of VANITY FAIR--with her husband--

really covert actions--trying to protect oneself when she had so much to hide!

What a joke!

She wasn't COVERT!

Murphy

'Had she been covered by the statute, the burden to prove he did not know Plame's status would have been on Armitage."

More proof you have no idea of the law of which you speak. The burden was on Fitzgerald to prove Armitage not only knew of her covert status, but that it was Armitage's intent to out her. Your suggestion any burden of proof is on Armitage is bullshit.

Please continue, Pinche. I'd like to hear more about why Bush was correct in commuting the sentence of a lackey who was convicted of four felony counts of perjury and obstruction of justice.

might yield a little more than ole Scooter's imagined transgressions.

First sititng white house official to be indicted in 130 years! and it means nothing to proto-fascist pinche.

That should tell you how criminal this administration is right there.

Murphy- she went overseas as a NOC at least seven times, the CIA has admitted.

IF caught, she had no get out of jail free card. You still continue to be wrong on the most basic facts, and it's really sad.

Thank you for pointing out the ambiguity and proving my point.

Yeah right LOL.

After arguing that Plame was covered by the statute now you are trying to say her staus is ambiguous and that proves your point?

You are quite a character.

The ambiguity proves my point danforth.

If Fitzgerald really believed that Plame was covered by the statute, he would have indicted armitage -- that her status was not coered, or at least ambiguous -- led Fitz tgo make the call that no crime had been comitted for outing valerie Plame.

And again, remember, the burden of proof to get a grand jury indictment is miniscule compared to that needed to get a conviction in a criminal trial.

Where a criminal trial requires guilt beyond a reasonable doubt -- all a grand jury needs for an indictment is a strong suspicion.

And fitzgerald didn't think he could even meet that burden.

LOL

Man this thread is fun.

Nice to know that you're on the same page with the other traitors, as if that were ever in doubt.

Traitors betray their country by aiding and comforting the enemies of their country.

That's what people like you do.

Using a Constitutional presidential power to pardon the victim of an absurd fucking witch-hunt in pursuit of a "crime" some douchebag prosecutor can't even demonstrate occurred is just life.

Get over it.

Murphy-
re: And how can a woman be in danger when she puts herself on the COVER of VANITY FAIR--with her husband--

Dude, that was months after she was outed by the "patriots" in the WH.

"Pardoned for "obstructing justice" in pursuit of a crime some douchebag prosecutor can't even demonstrate ocurred."

...due to the fact justice was obstructed, proven in a court of law. Ahhh, the irony is strong with this one.....

Oh, and that's douchebag Republican prosecutor..., and douchebag Republican judge...and douchebag Republican appellate judges, don't forget.

She was Covert Murphy You need to face the truth sooner rather than later.

Larry

Pinche-
Your partisanship really knows no bounds, does it, traitor?

"I respect the jury's verdict," Bush said in a statement. "But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive. Therefore, I am commuting the portion of Mr. Libby's sentence that required him to spend thirty months in prison."

Cry Democrats Cry.

As for me I'll be eating some Pie.

"now you are trying to say her staus(sic) is ambiguous and that proves your point?"

No, that the statute is ambiguous, can't you read?

"The British still back those words!"

Didn't they get the memo?

in his 2003 State of the Union address, President George W. Bush repeated the allegation, citing British intelligence sources. The administration later conceded that evidence in support of the claim was inconclusive and stated "these 16 words should never have been included" (referring to Bush's State of the Union address), attributing the error to the CIA.[1]

'night all. I'll leave it to Pinche to dig his own hole deeper.

Let's review Pinche land logic:

Bush appoints ashcroft.

Ashcroft appoint fitzgerald.

Fitzgerald investigates Libby, prosecutes him.

Republican judge throws the book at Libby.

Bush commutes libbys sentence.

But see, it was all manufactured by the left, and a scrap thrown to the left wing bottom feeders ...BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Here's to all the belly aching going on here tonight.

Looks like you got your ass whipped in the fight.

Olbermann screaming I hate the right.

Not a same democrat in sight.

Traitors betray their country by aiding and comforting the enemies of their country.

Iran sez thanks for the bomb plame might have stopped them from getting, moron.

One has to giggle at the outrage.

Posted by Pinche_Mao

you would giggle at the outrage.. fucking scumbag.

Where a criminal trial requires guilt beyond a reasonable doubt -- all a grand jury needs for an indictment is a strong suspicion.

And fitzgerald didn't think he could even meet that burden.

And Danforth, had Fitz tried for and gotten that indictment it would have allowed him to subpoena the WH per the US v Nixon -- so as you can see the entire case turned on whether or not Fitz really believed that a crime had been comitted by outing valerie plame -- and his actions say he didn't.

Be well All

I am saying

Goodnight InfidelsPlame was not Covert--get used to it...


Murphy

Should have been "sane"

Pinche- Bush said he respected the jury that found Libby guilty. All republicans btw, just like the "douchebag prosecutor" you keep ragging on. The one put into place by aschcroft.

HAHAHAHA!

Murphy- You can say it all you want. The CIA sez otherwise, as does fitzgerald.

But keep reading Novak.

Incognito, it is the left who are aiding Iran in getting the bomb!

corrupt pos republicans making up excuses for this miscarriage of justice. You all excuse failure since it is all you have known for the last 7 years.

YKW- Do they hide under your bed at night, too?

Cry Democrats Cry.

You got your ass whipped and keep asking why!

All your hate and all your vile aren't enough to keep Libby in jail awhile.

I think it's time we realized that a good 20% of the "adult" population of our country is certifiably insane and/or stupid on an orwellian level. The first step to fixing a problem is admitting you have it.

Fishin' report said the Red Herring were schooling big-time.

The were catching 'em off points---in about 5 feet of bullshit.

On fake plastic chartreuse worms with pork trailers.

Hee hee.

YKW- Too bad you view the constitution and politics in general as some kind of sad pathetic football game to cheer and get drunk at.

When an (R) makes a "touchdown" your existance still blows. Vicarious living isn't living at all.

I think it's time we realized that a good 20% of the "adult" population of our country is certifiably insane and/or stupid on an orwellian level. The first step to fixing a problem is admitting you have it.

Posted by I_N_Cognito


and be nice to them...if possible

Don't stay up too late, pinche. You have animals to jerk off in the morning.

Incognito, when democrats clean their own house then they can tell us about ours.

Ted Kennedy, John Murtha, William Jefferson, Harry Reid, and the rest of the corrupt democrats have yet to be sent packing. When they go come back and bring up some republicans.

YKW- I find it sad that you have a "house", guy.

Why not just vote for individual candidates and tell the big two to go fuck themselves?

And it isn't an either/or situation. ALL corruption should be punished. Period.

John Murtha doesn't fit the list...you know it ~ Who:>)

If Fitzgerald really believed that Plame was covered by the statute, he would have indicted armitage

Man, you'll just spin that one all day.

Intent had to proven and couldn't be.

Yer making it sound like it shoulda been easy just to ask Armitage if he knowingly outed a spy who worked NOC.

Wot do you imagine his response would be?

Sheesh, you are an idiot some days.

Speaking of idiots...

Mao squeaks!...

(er ..."speaks", wotever)

Using a Constitutional presidential power to pardon the victim of an absurd fucking witch-hunt in pursuit of a "crime" some douchebag prosecutor can't even demonstrate occurred is just life.

Get over it."

Millions of lives have been adversely effected by the actions of this traitorous criminal gang in DC.

The emnity accrued w/i the country and around the globe by their collective actions will take generations to dissipate if it ever does.

That's life.

Deal with it.

Witchhunt?

Yer thinking of Clintons Blowjob again.

Be Well.

Incognito, I am not cheering the republicans I am cheering the full of shit hypocrite democrats who are on here crying and belly aching.

As for the constitution it is just fine. The president was given the power to pardon people irregardless of reason.

Clinton took advantage of this same power to pardon pedophiles(mel reynolds), drug dealers, and close personal associates(Susan McDougal & Mark Rich).

Are you ashed of the pardons that Clinton granted? If so why?

Presidential pardons have a long tradition of being pathetically abused. They need to be limited in scope.

I'll say again: Marc richs lawyer was scooter libby. I just find that funny to think about whenever a clinton deflection hits the page on this subject.

Incognito, I am not cheering the republicans I am cheering the full of shit hypocrite democrats who are on here crying and belly aching.

Who?