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Friday, June 29, 2007

In the heart of London's theater district, a suspected propane gas bomb with about 50 gallons of flammable liquid was found inside a light green Mercedes. According to some witnesses, the car was seen driving erratically and then crashed into bins near a nightclub before the driver fled.

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This happens to also be the first day the new British Prime Minister starts his first term in office replacing Tony Blair.

more info just in

...John O'Connor, former commander of Scotland Yard's Flying Squad, told BBC News the incident bore all the "hallmarks" of a failed suicide bomb attempt. And it was "lucky" the police had received the tip-off .

Defence Secretary Des Browne said: "It does appear to be a very serious incident.


The London police are looking throughout London for other possible bombs.

Islam means peace.

Good Morning Vermin.
I'm wondering if these are irish catholic religious nuts or mid-east islamic religious nuts. The initial reports say the car was driving erratically. Hmmmm.
Or maybe just pranksters. 50 gallons is a lot of juice to be carrying around in a car.

Hmmmmmm .... how did Jesus say it?

Matt. 10:34 -- Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Posted by vernon

Wouldn't that be the person who wrote the book of Matthew years later saying what somebody had told somebody that Jesus said?

.....waiting on GZ to show up and claim that the bomb is anti-semitic and poses a dangerous threat to Israel, so Iran must be nuked.

Rasta,

I like this verse as well:

Rom 16:20 "The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you."

Could have killed a ton of innocents.

They same innocents they kill in Irag/Afghanistan.

These are horrible people.

Maybe John Edwards should reconsider his worldview--the war on terror IS more than just a bumper stick phrase.

Sitdown,

Or it was the guy who found forgiveness after being a horrible betrayer hated by all his own people who followed Jesus around every day for 3 1/2 years. That's where most history points.


That's where most history points.

Tell me more.

".....waiting on GZ to show up and claim that the bomb is anti-semitic and poses a dangerous threat to Israel, so Iran must be nuked."

Of course you and your ilk believe it couldn't be radical Muslims because after all they're just a poor victimized peaceful lot who only want to be left alone.

The real villains are Mossad, Zionists, Neocons, and Bush ... isn't that the latest from Leftie HQ COYOTE?
Aren't those the lines you and your buds parrot here like good little pretend lefties you fancy yourselves to be ?

www.prospect-magazine.co.uk


"Daily Mail

"The threat of terror returned to London today after a car bomb was found outside a West End nightclub.

The apparent target was Tiger Tiger in Haymarket, where up to 1,700 people were inside on 'ladies night'.

There are also early reports of that police have stopped an open-top bus on Park Lane, central London, according to Sky. The road has been closed while the vehicle is investigated.

It is feared the attack is the work of Al Qaeda militants, who plotted a similar attack on the capital's Ministry of Sound nightclub and Bluewater shopping centre. The British-born Al Qaeda gang was jailed last month.

BBC

"A car bomb planted in central London would have caused "carnage" if it had exploded, police sources have said.

A controlled explosion was carried out on the car, packed with 60 litres of petrol, gas cylinders and nails, in Haymarket, near Piccadilly Circus.

An ambulance crew saw smoke coming from the green metallic Mercedes, near the Tiger Tiger nightclub at 0130 BST.

"International elements" are believed to be involved, Whitehall sources told the BBC."

Telegraph

"A car bomb designed to cause 'carnage' outside a packed nightclub in central London was primed to be detonated by mobile phone, police have said.

Car bomb found in London's West End
The car bomb was parked near Piccadilly Circus

The explosive device, consisting of gas cyclinders and nails, was discovered outside the Tiger Tiger nightclub at 2am in The Haymarket, near Piccadilly Circus.

Similarities between the car bomb and Iraqi bomb plots have been highlighted by a British security official, according to the Associated Press."


Yep COYOTE .. its all ONE BIG JOKE .... especially when you probably live far far away from anything important enough to blow to bits right friend?
Car bombs will never threaten you will they ?

Islam means submission.

Yep COYOTE .. its all ONE BIG JOKE .... especially when you probably live far far away from anything important enough to blow to bits right friend?
Car bombs will never threaten you will they ?

Posted by GZlives

The funny part is, most of the libs that think this is all BS come from the places that are the targets. Many righties that take this serious come from more rural areas that arn't the targets. Go figure.

Not a useful bomb, until it is mixed with air. Stupid al Qaida sympathizers. Multiple European attacks have been planned and executed by Moslem kids born and raised in Europe. What does that tell you about integrating Moslems or the mind of a "True Believer". Mohamad Atta, educated in Germany and the USA enjoyed a poolside beer before boarding one of the ill-fated planes. Should we keep the borders open to such people or permit their immigration? Can we kill/maime and torture them into submission as BushCo planned to do? To the extent NeoCons planned to control Iraqi oil they are complete failure. When you look deeper at Shrubs proposed immigration policies it is clear that BushCo is not concerned about terrorism. He has no intention of restricting tourism, immigration or educational exchanges. They are just using the issue to manipulate public opinion and generate fear. Mean, dry drunk transformed into a reckless, powerful nincompoop, courtesy of Supreme co-conspirators in a close lost election.

The real villains are Mossad, Zionists, Neocons, and Bush ... isn't that the latest from Leftie HQ COYOTE?
Aren't those the lines you and your buds parrot here like good little pretend lefties you fancy yourselves to be ?


I didn't seem to see anything about "My Brother the Bomber" meeting up with his MI5/AQ double agent with his marching orders.

So yeah GZ, don't forget MI5 in your cabal of evil.

Oh and lets not forget the SAS agents in Basra posing as insurgents, complete with beards, RPGs and explosives back in 2K5. These two "undercover agents" were arrested and the British had to make a prison break because Blair felt British double agents committing murder shouldn't be tried.

Or Americans getting caught trying to smuggle C4 into the G8. Just to test security...so nothing to worry about.

"I'm wondering if these are irish catholic religious nuts or mid-east islamic religious nuts."

I guess that depends on whether this is 1977 or 2007.

But if we fight em in Iraq we won't have to fight em over here or over there in Brittain either.
Right right wing lunes????

Hmmmmmm .... how did Jesus say it?

Matt. 10:34 -- Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Spoken by RastcyBorg in his tradition of playing the role of a complete idiot.

Looking at the crimes committed by the CIA. How do we know it's not a CIA/MI6 covert operation. Designed to justify their existence.

""The funny part is, most of the libs that think this is all BS come from the places that are the targets.""

No, the funny? thing is that us Libs, who do live in places that are potential targets don't think attacking Saddam Hussein, who had nothing to do with 9-11 (contrary to Ann Coulter's b.s.) will make us one iota safer but will create more terrorists....
And the waste of Homeland Security funds in places that are in no danger sort of bother us too...
""Reps. Rail Against Wasted Homeland Security Funds""

cbs2chicago.com

Boy that Michael Chertoff, he's keeping us safe....if we live in a village in Alaska....

I'm so glad Blair and Bush resisted the temptation to walk away from the war against al queda and attack some oil-rich country that had nothing to do with 9-11.

Okay folks, who paid for the Benz- pakistan, saudistan or the UAE?

Mohamad Atta, educated in Germany and the USA enjoyed a poolside beer before boarding one of the ill-fated planes.

Yes, Mohammed Atta, devout muslim, with his penchant for alcohol, strippers, coke and gambling on Jack Abramhoff's riverboat casinos. I guess we're going to have to revise our racial profiling. Let's call Michelle Malkin, I'm sure she'll have some suggestions.

To the extent NeoCons planned to control Iraqi oil they are complete failure.

I totally disagree. Oil is now 70 dollars a barrel. Control doesn't mean cheaper prices for you and me, it means more money for the assholes at the top.

When you look deeper at Shrubs proposed immigration policies it is clear that BushCo is not concerned about terrorism. He has no intention of restricting tourism, immigration or educational exchanges. They are just using the issue to manipulate public opinion and generate fear.

I agree with this 100 percent. If you don't concern yourself with the securing the border, you are full of shit about terrorism...period.

Sitdown,

I'm on vacation and don't have any of my reference materials. Look at some credible historical accounts surrounding the Greek New Testament and you'll get your answers.

But there's plenty of bogus stuff too (as there is on virtually ANY historical subject), so use discernment and your critical thinking abilities.

Freakin' WWII was only 60+ years ago and there's already people who doubt the existence of concentration camps and their death chambers!

War against terror includes war against terrorists.

www.cbsnews.com

Fish in a barrel. Shoot fish, eat fish. Leave barrel.

War against terror includes war against terrorists.

www.cbsnews.com

Fish in a barrel. Shoot fish, eat fish. Leave barrel.

Or anyhting else that may look fishlike:
"The attack helicopters, armed with missiles, engaged and killed 17 al-Qaeda gunmen and destroyed the vehicle they were using," it said.

Garver said townspeople claim "the individuals were not al-Qaeda, but members of the community." He said additional details were not available, pending completion of the investigation.

The investigation came to light after the BBC reported on its Web site that residents of Khalis were "incensed" that the dead men were accused of being members of al-Qaeda in Iraq. Villagers "say that those who died had nothing to do with al-Qaeda. They say they were local village guards trying to protect the township from exactly the kind of attack by insurgents the U.S. military says it foiled," the BBC reported.

the number one baby name in the UK last year was muhammed..............the arab birth rate is slowing passing the rest of england........

Boy that Michael Chertoff, he's keeping us safe....if we live in a village in Alaska....

Posted by danni at 2007-06-29 10:43 AM |

dont understand this one, did i miss an attack on the CONUS?

why do libbys and judges and minnesotans make exceptions for islam, and exlude them from criticism?

""dont understand this one, did i miss an attack on the CONUS?""

Yes, it was an attack on the US Treasury by Neocons. So far no response from the government.

Fucking Amish terrorists...

IraqiBukkake,

The Neocons have achieved high prices, but cannot get the Iraqis to sign up for their oil sharing fuck in the ass agreement. One of the reasons oil is so expensive is that regular export from Iraq has been lost. The fuckwads can't even provide gas or electricity for the local population. BushCo cannot deliver Iraqi oil in any predictable fashion.

This was Toady Blair getting up to one last trick so you can all remember him fondly.

Nothing to get excited over.

What a crock...

50 gal. of gasoline... In two 25Gal containers... A propane cyl... Box of nails...

Add it all up you get a drunk carpenter going to a bbq with gas for the generator...

No, seriously the thing (at best)would blow out the windows of the car and smolder into a slow burning fire that would probably burn out, or be put out by fire crews... 1Gal of fuel in each of the 25Gal can would do a bit more damage, and MAYBE burst the cyl, (maybe)... This was by no means a "professional explosive device" it was incindiery, (at best), wouldn't have been very effective and definately NOT Muslim terrorist style... How many suicide bombers "flee the scene"... What a bunch of bull sh*t hype...

At worst it was a disgruntled employee that had ZERO clue in regards to bomb building (I've never built a bomb in my life, but with a basic understanding of physics one could put together a MUCH more lethal combination than this)...

The fuel in an enclosed environment, (windows up) couldn't have been ingnited even if you had a road flair taped to the side of the gas can: not enough O2...

Muslim terrorists???
1) Terrorists don't make big moltov cocktales...
2) They use the "good stuff"...
3) They don't flee the scene, (except in little tiny pieces)...
4) They rarely make mistakes...
5) And, (most importantly), they aren't retarted...

DHS: BE AFFRAID, VERY AFRAID...

UPDATE - TWO MORE SUSPICIOUS VEHICLES FOUND

The British authorities will have a press conference in about 30 minutes.

Security alerts have brought London to a standstill today as much of the capital was shut down while police investigated two suspicious vehicles hours after officers defused a bomb that "could have caused carnage" in London's West End.

Fleet Street was cleared while police investigated suspect vehicle. Police investigated a car near Hyde Park amid fears that it could be connected to a bomb defused by authorities hours earlier in London's West End.

Muslim terrorists???
1) Terrorists don't make big moltov cocktales...
2) They use the "good stuff"...
3) They don't flee the scene, (except in little tiny pieces)...
4) They rarely make mistakes...
5) And, (most importantly), they aren't retarted

That's right. The Muslim terrorists know how to spell "retarded" hahahaha

Why would Muslims terrorists wait until the very first day after Blair left his job. Why wouldn't they have done it when Blair was still in office?

It was also mentioned that there was a big "gay pride day" parade scheduled for today on the street where the first car bomb was found.

CHRIS... "That's right. The Muslim terrorists know how to spell "retarded" hahahaha"

I find it fascinating when I right a (somewhat) contrary and (somewhat) provocative post and the retort I get first is to point out a "spelling error": Retarded ...

A quick glance at your posting history: barr, Wbat, Defence, thie, industialized, racebaiting, Culpas, Hilter ...

I bet the terrorists can spell: "bar, what, defense, the, industrialized, race baiting, culpa and Hitler too ... Probably even: grammar police ... And, Molotov Cocktail, (while we're nit-picking)

Here I sit, once again laughing my ass off at the thoughtless schoolyard taunts so commonly found in these threads..."neo-cons," look it up sometime...Some of these left-wing kooks love to throw around words that "sound bad," woefully ignorant of their own language.

Now that the second bomb was found ... are we ready to make that leap and use the M or I word ? Police say they have crystal clear images of the suspects and one looks an awful lot like someone they had previously arrested in another terror incident but then released ...

Anyone here ready to give credit where credit is due ?

What do Muslims have against cars?

Isn't it amazing how they play this up? It's enough to make the Chimp head for Nebraska again.

The message is: Be afraid, Be afraid...

And with the Bush mob hammering Americans with constant fear messages it has reached a point where all they need to do is say "terrorist" and Americans fill their pants.

I thought this was the home of the brave. Instead it's beginning to look like the home of the fat, the old and the fearful.

Anyone here ready to give credit where credit is due ?

Uhh...credit for what? A trip to the hardware store?

50 pounds of C4, sure.

50 pounds of TATP (the stuff that someone was going to synthesize in the bathroom of a plane in the liquid bomb "terror plot", har har har), sure.

50 gallons of gas, a propane tank and some nails? Not unless the terrorist is Bob Vila and he's on "This Old Terrorist Plot".

turn, interesting thought. On the other hand, wouldn't this attempt fall under the following description?

Deliberate targeting of non-combatants:

It is commonly held that the distinctive nature of terrorism lies in its intentional and specific selection of civilians as direct targets. Much of the time, the victims of terrorism are targeted not because they are threats, but because they are specific "symbols, tools, animals or corrupt beings" that tie into a specific view of the world that the terrorist possess.


en.wikipedia.org


Would you be brave enough to be one of those non-combatants?

Always the cynic --

Does anyone else find it just a bit odd that these two bombs were found only the day AFTER Blair left office

Follow me on my train of thought --

Blair, being co-conspirator in the illegal attack on Iraq, is not a beloved figure in the Muslim world so it doesn't make sense to spare Blair any embarrassment by having these bombs arranged NOT to go off until the day AFTER Blair left his position as Prime Minister of Britain.

Hmmmmm, just
WHICH PLAYER IN THE WAR ON TERROR would feel such loyalty towards Blair -- and felt he owed him -- enough to want to spare Blair the political pain and inconvenience of having these bombs go off while he was still in office and instead ordered these bombs to be planted to go off only the DAY AFTER Blair left office?

Don't look now, but there was a second bomb... related to the first one found.
news.sky.com

Posted by OohRah at 2007-06-29 05:15 PM | Reply | F


I made a post on that at 3:06 p.m. At that time it was thought there were TWO more bombs found! Now it's only one?
I happened to be still up when this news broke on CNN and hit the new last night so I came out to my computer and put the news on a userblog. I watched them tow the car away and block off the streets.

This was by no means a "professional explosive device" it was incindiery, (at best), wouldn't have been very effective and definately NOT Muslim terrorist style... How many suicide bombers "flee the scene"... What a bunch of bull sh*t hype...

EXACTLY what I thought too when I read they thought it was a "suicide bomber." It made no sense (unless when the car crashed into the trash bins the guy freaked out and ran). All the more reason for me writing my conspiracy theory in my 5:19 p.m. post.

If it turns out that the would-be bombers are British muslims of Pakistani descent I'm sure that Chimpy will implore Gordon Brown to send more troops to Iraq.

This was by no means a "professional explosive device" it was incindiery, (at best), wouldn't have been very effective and definately NOT Muslim terrorist style... How many suicide bombers "flee the scene"... What a bunch of bull sh*t hype...



Terrorist will use any means to kill...no matter how primative we might think the weapon might be....not every strike from a terrorist will be a leathal blow...ever hear the term...death by a thousand cuts....go ahead under estimate your enemy...it will only lead to another 9-11

to think this is not anything else but a college prank is stupid

JUDAS... "Terrorist will use any means to kill...no matter how primative we might think the weapon might be....not every strike from a terrorist will be a leathal blow...ever hear the term...death by a thousand cuts....go ahead under estimate your enemy...it will only lead to another 9-11"

Well, I think Bush and friends are busy for the next two weeks, so I guess we are safe for now...

No, I kid...

I am not underestimating my enemy, I just don't see it behind every tree and around every corner...

But, go ahead JUDAS, "Duck & Cover"...

Don't be upset with me if I don't choose to surrender to the "enemy" myself though...

Wow, there is a second "device" found...

This IS really getting scary...

Either there is one guy that was REALLY stupid TWICE...

Or, there is a conspiracy of two or more people to be REALLY stupid in individual "cells"...

You'd think if there was a "conspiracy" they would've "conspired" to include someone that had a brain in their "terror" plot...

Be afraid... Very afraid...

CAPT....its not like terrorist fight in box formations used in the civil war....so yea they will lurk in the shadows waiting and plotting...its ok if you do not fear them...because i do not fear them....but my point being do not under estimate their willing to kill...even if their method of killing is primative or simple

i do not remember brains being a qualification to kill

Well, either this is an idiotic attempt by terrorist wannabes, which make sit disturbing but not earth-shaking;

Or it's a real and serious attempt. In which case, I'd like someone to explain how occupying Iraq can prevent something like this. Seriously, HOW does keeping 140,000 combat troops in Iraq at a cost of billions per month stop a couple of guys from packing a car full of propane cylinders and nails and blowing it up on an American street?

Yes, a "Liberal" working 1.5 blocks from the White House. I've been living and working in the center of Bin Laden's bullseye since 911, and I can't see a damn thing this war has done to make us any safer.

Where's Osama? Oh yeah, that's right, "he's hiding, it's hard". If this bullshit had been spouted by a Dem president, you'd hang him by his balls, but you can't stop licking Dubya's. We had AQ on the run in Afghanistan and threw it away so Dubya could play a giant game of RISK with other people's lives and money in Iraq. The worst possible president at the worst possible time.

how does IRAQ make America safe simple....Iraq is a battlefield to fight the enemy that lurk in the shadows...this war is past borders as you can see....some terrorist cells have the means to fight us on our turf (the few)....then there are terrorist that do not have the means but do have the will ( the many)...Iraq is in the middle of ME...so many ME countries muslim extreemist can have a place to go...to meet the full arsenal of the US military....which beats a guessing game...the civilized world can hit and miss when it comes to terrorist cells...terrorist can not screw up once (whcih happened in this story)...just like roaches...the ones you see in the open...only means that many are behind the wall

Why would Muslims terrorists wait until the very first day after Blair left his job. Why wouldn't they have done it when Blair was still in office?

Because its the day after Brown appointed a lot of non-Iraq fiasco supporters to his Cabinet.

I suspect that it will turn out this was the work of Islamic terrorists, and probably Al Qaeda. Even though the bombs did not go off, the terrorists did achieve a repulsive victory. Namely, they reinforced the mentality of the asshole rightwing in this country in it's belief that only be curtailing our rights as Americans and being Bush supporting Sheeple can we be kept safe.

"probably Al Qaeda"

This reeks of manufactured fear.

Spud has no doubt that the once tiny AQ has grown in numbers since the advent of the Iraqi occupation but Spud seriously doubts this is their work.

If it is they have degraded their capabilities down to a grade school level and that hardly seems likely.

Either the work of crazed incapable or another manufactured victory in the war on terror.

Be Well.

Either the work of crazed incapable or another manufactured victory in the war on terror.

Be Well.

Posted by dethspud at 2007-06-30 01:55 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Could You explain what You actually mean here?? Thanks.

Larry

Either the work of crazed incapable or another manufactured victory in the war on terror.

Wow. The Bush Conspiracy train keeps on chugging along. I'll bet Cheney planted both Mercedes himself, as to not draw attention to other co-conspirators.

If the driver was Al Qaida and he was driving erratically, it could mean one of a few things:

* Maybe the lure of dead virgins in Paradise is getting to be old hat -- a lot of other guys (and a few girls) have blown themselves to smithereens, and what happened to them -- they got their body parts kicked around like the trash they had become. And if there is a Paradise, no dead skanky virgin wants to hang around with a gazillion random body parts. How gross!

* Perhaps the recruiting and training programs for these murder missions is scraping the bottom of the barrel -- they are picking people who aren't brainwashed enough, or people who still can think for themselves and who do it with a conscience.

* Perhaps the recruits do want to carry out their mission, but they either cannot drive, or are so amazed that they are driving a nice car that they crash before they get to their destination.

* Maybe the anti-terrorist information campaign is working. Maybe the message that it's wrong to kill people over religious beliefs and political differences is sinking in.

Are any of these possible in this case? Does it provide food for thought on how to deal with the problem in the future?

Ugh -- the idea of using the words "food for thought" and "gazillion random body parts" is revolting!

argh at 2007-06-29 07:58 PM

Good points. The Bushites and Cheney/Rumsfeld neocons SHOULD have done everything to kill Usama and blow him to a gazillion hydrocarbon molecules, but he apparently survived Tora Bora's pounding. He was probably burned badly -- his recorded voice after Tora Bora sounded as if his lungs had been damaged by hot fumes, and the fact that he has not shown his photogenic face since Tora Bora suggests that he was seriously injured. The fact that the Taliban and Al Qaida hangers on have migrated into the autonomous Waziristani regions of Pakistan seems to indicate that bin Laden was taken there by loyalists and that one of many patrons has provided for his care and shelter.

Could UBL be dead, as the French suggested? It is a possibility. If anyone has information on that, it would be a welcome bit of information. It is consistent with the news, but so could a UBL in renal failure or a UBL in a coma. Could UBL be fully recovered and boffing his multitude of wives? Again, the administration disbanded the UBL unit, so one would think that he is alive and boffing away, all with the administration's blessings, or he is so out of commission, that there was no need for the unit to continue operating. In either case, the American people need to know what has happened to the wives of bin Laden and their scion.

Now we are all fairly sure Ayman Zawahiri, the Cairo doctor who became the theological head of Al Qaida is in Waziristan (or shifting back and forth between Herat, Kandahar and Waziristan?), but what to do with the information?

Probably monitor the borders and pathways and hillsides, which one bets we are doing. But how can we get the pakistanis to allow the US and NATO to invade Waziristan? Pakistan is a nation of 200mm people with a rift between the nation's fundies and the nation's secularists. Apparently we haven't found a wway to take teh battle to Waziristan without thowing Pakistan's delicate balance of power into chaos. (What would you do, and what would be all of the expected effects?)

As for Iraq, the decision to invade or not to is water under the bridge. As for Iran and North Korea, the decision to do as the neocons would have made -- to invade those countries -- is looking less and less likely. North Korea never was a near term threat and should be put on a short leash, which the administration seems to have quietly done. But Iran could have been moderated and pacified and brought into the US effort in the early stages of GWOT if Condi Rice had had any balls in Sep 2001. (Oh, I forgot -- she was never born with any balls!) She should have told Cheney and Rumsfeld to stuff their neocon traps and get off the phony "Axis of Evil" rhetoric they were feeding POTUS. She was supposed to do her job of balancing out the issues and differences between DOS and DOD at the NSC meetings. The record shows she was cowered by Cheney and Rummy, and wanted to make Dubya happy. So she took her 3rd rate PhD in Russian studies and let the NSC debate be shaped by teh neocons. (Gong that girl off the stage!)


Corrected/edited:

Argh -- Good points. The Bushites and Cheney/Rumsfeld neocons SHOULD have done everything to kill Usama and blow him to a gazillion hydrocarbon molecules, but he apparently survived Tora Bora's pounding. He was probably burned badly -- his recorded voice after Tora Bora sounded as if his lungs had been damaged by hot fumes, and the fact that he has not shown his photogenic face since Tora Bora suggests that he was seriously injured. The fact that the Taliban and Al Qaida hangers on have migrated into the autonomous Waziristani regions of Pakistan seems to indicate that bin Laden was taken there by loyalists and that one of many patrons has provided for his care and shelter.

Could UBL be dead, as the French suggested? It is a possibility. If anyone has information on that, it would be a welcome bit of information. It is consistent with the news, but so could a UBL in renal failure or a UBL in a coma. Could UBL be fully recovered and boffing his multitude of wives? Again, the administration disbanded the UBL unit, so one would think that he is alive and boffing away, all with the administration's blessings, or he is so out of commission, that there was no need for the unit to continue operating. In either case, the American people need to know what has happened to the wives of bin Laden and their scion.

Now we are all fairly sure Ayman Zawahiri, the Cairo doctor who became the theological head of Al Qaida is in Waziristan (or shifting back and forth between Herat, Kandahar and Waziristan?), but what to do with the information?

Probably monitor the borders and pathways and hillsides, which one bets we are doing. But how can we get the Pakistanis to allow the US and NATO to invade Waziristan? Pakistan is a nation of 200mm people with a rift between the nation's fundies and the nation's secularists. Apparently we haven't found a way to take the battle to Waziristan without throwing Pakistan's delicate balance of power into chaos. (What would you do? And what would be all of the expected effects of that COA?)

As for Iraq, the decision to invade or not to is water under the bridge. As for Iran and North Korea, the prospect that Bush will do what the Cheneyite neocons would have desired -- to invade those countries -- is looking less and less likely. North Korea never was a near term threat and should be put on a short leash (which the administration seems to have quietly done). Iran could have been moderated and pacified and brought into the US effort in the early stages of GWOT before the 2002 January SOTU if Condi Rice had had any balls (Oh, I forgot -- she was never born with any balls!). She should have told Cheney and Rumsfeld to stuff their neocon traps and get off the phony "Axis of Evil" rhetoric they were feeding POTUS and directed the GWOT effort to be exactly what you suggested a fight to neutralize the islamists at all costs. She was supposed to do her job of balancing out the issues and differences between DOS and DOD at the NSC meetings. The record shows she was cowered by Cheney and Rummy, and wanted to make Dubya happy. So she took her 3rd rate PhD in Russian studies and let the NSC debate be shaped by the neocons. (Gong that girl off the stage!)

"But Iran could have been moderated and pacified...."

Good friggin' luck! Ever since the Ayatola Khomeini took power in 1979, Iran has been the KINGPIN of the "Axis of Evil." There is no way anyone can "moderate" or "pacify" the country without different leadership at the helm in that country. Take a look at the PRESENT leader.
Maybe YOU can negotiate with this guy, but it will be difficult for a sane person.
www.matthiaskuentzel.de

"Manufactured Victory in the War on Terror"

"Could You explain what You actually mean here?? Thanks"

Sure, Larry.

War is fought on other levels other than military. There is also the economic componenet of war and, of course, the propaganda war.

Somtimes propaganda wars are fought in little ways like the manufactured photo-op of the saddam Statue coming down.

Sometimes a group of half-assed haters get together and talk talk talk about doing omething and never go through with it. Sometimes these groups are infiltrated by folk who work for the government. Sometimes it's the infiltrators who actually do most of the inciting that lead to the charges and the eventual assertions that a great victory has occured.

Some folk believe that in order to whip up the frenzy of fear needed to launch this clusterfuck in Iraq, the admin actually planned 9/11.

Spud aint one of them people fer the most part.

But this incident in London seems like either a very amaturish half-assed attempt by a loonie or, more likely, a psy-op designed to A) increase fear and B) declare some kind of victory against terrorism.

That's wot Spud means by manufactured victory.

But let's suppose this was a real terrorist attack for a moment. Suppose it had succeeded. Would folk say that a rash of remotely detonated car bombs in either the UK or the US occurred despite the war in Iraq or because of the war in Iraq?

Sane people could only claim the latter explanation.

Mentioning Israel and Palestine might be instructive at that point also.

Be Well.

PS: Nice postage by T&C yet again.

Condi is about as effective at State as Bolton was at the UN.

PPS: In case ya blinked and missed it, that were dethspud, the tater o' doom, entering the Drudge Retort, as ya do,
stage left.


Wouldn't that be the person who wrote the book of Matthew years later saying what somebody had told somebody that Jesus said?

Posted by sitdown at 2007-06-29 08:54 AM | Reply |


Leave it to people such as yourself to kill the messenger.... It's sad you can't understand the truth in the statement.....

Psssstttttt..... they killed Jesus
because he enjoyed life.... get a clue or a prayer rug....

Do you think women in black potato sacks are sexy?

Freakin' WWII was only 60+ years ago and there's already people who doubt the existence of concentration camps and their death chambers!

Posted by kirk at 2007-06-29 11:39 AM | Reply


The Bible contains no history.... don't you know that?

Incubus-
Of course The Bible contains lots of history. God created man, the Earth, the universe, etc. in 6 days about 6000 years ago.

I thought everyone knew that.

Judas-
So...um...Iraq is like a training camp for terrorists.

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