This is an indication of the judgement abilities of Romney. The vote will be an indication of yours.

I don't see the problem. Hunters do it all of the time with their Hunting Dogs only most of em have a pick up that they put their Dog Carriers in. As long as He had it strapped down secure I bet the Dog had fun up there.

Larry

Larry

That's why he shit all over their windows.

There is a vast difference between the bed of a pick up and the roof of a station wagon. Try it sometime---strap yourself in---see for yourself.

Sorry I am unable to try the experiment. I would literally cave in the roof. Sorry no cigar. But if it were possible I would probably enjoy it. It would be an adventure for Me.

Larry

Sounds like animal cruelty to me. The dog would get dizzy and sick riding on the roof. Did Romney bother to stop even one time on the 12 hour trip to let the dog run around and stretch his legs and what about water that would have slopped around in the bowl at every turn? It's hard enough to keep your balance at a lower level let alone on the top of the car roof.

They make waterers and feeders for Dogs that has a Bowl at the bottom with a half gallon to a Gallon Jug that screws onto it. It would hold allot of water and food before it "Slopped" out.

Larry

Jeez...are we hurting for dirt on Romney so badly that we have to dig up stuff like THIS? Reminds me of LBJ and the "ear-pulling" scandal with his Beagles.

Just a passing thought:

If we put "The Shrub" in a dog carrier on the roof of our SUV's.

Would he "soil" the back window like he did the White House?

Cleaning up after house plants can be so messy.

In other "news", I hear that Giuliani once left his house plants in the sun for three days in a row, and the leaves on one of them started to turn brown.

In the grand scheme of things, this is pretty much a non-story.

That having been said, it is my view that you can tell a lot about a person by the way they treat animals.

I bet He got the idea from watching Dr Doolittle.

Larry

seems like a fitting harbinger of things to come if this Fake Plastic ever gained control of the football...

""I hear that Giuliani once left his house plants in the sun for three days in a row, and the leaves on one of them started to turn brown.""

Great comparison. Dogs and plants feel things so similarly. I would never have voted for this opportunistic flip flopping war monger anyway but the story is sickening. Putting a dog on the roof of the car is nothing like putting it in the back of a pickup truck. The guy is disgusting.

Rev - Totally agree with you. How someone treats animals definately says something about their soul and character. If you believe in God, he put us on the earth to care for it and the animals on it. I vote to put ol' two-faced Romney on a roof for 12 hours!
Geez, when we travel with our dogs, they travel in the back of the truck with a topper on it with food and water. Plus, we stop every 2 hours, check the temperature to make sure it is not too hot, and let them out to stretch and do their stuff!

Romney is an ass. A devil's underwear wearing, Ron Hubbard worshipping, animal beating, flip flopping, miserable halfwit.
A chance at becoming President? Try snowball in hell.

"Romney is an ass. A devil's underwear wearing, Ron Hubbard worshipping, animal beating, flip flopping, miserable halfwit."

Aw, gee, you went and got it wrong. L. Ron Hubbard founded Scientology. Joseph Smith was the father of Mormonism. You failed this little poll test so now you won't be allowed to vote in 2008...sorry. Back to studying for you.

Oh that mother fucker...

well it was bound to happen at some point, but I finally found someone I who made me rather vote for Obama... thankfully he's not going to amount to much in the primary.

"Jeez...are we hurting for dirt on Romney so badly that we have to dig up stuff like THIS? Reminds me of LBJ and the "ear-pulling" scandal with his Beagles."
Posted by jestgettinalong at 2007-06-28 07:55 AM



YEAH!

I can see the Fake Plastics being apathetic to wife beaters and child abusers (their favorite pastimes) ---- but the family dog?!

That's just jacked up --- even for the most ardent Fake Plastic "conservative"!

I guess if you thought you could sucker the "soccer dog" vote you would be singing an entirely different tune!

""L. Ron Hubbard founded Scientology. Joseph Smith was the father of Mormonism""

Same difference. Both invented their own religions.

That idiot strapped the crate to the ROOF of his car???? That is a little bit more dangerous, Larry, than having dogs riding in the back of a pickup, although THAT is illegal in many states now, thank goodness! I watched a dog fall out of the back of a pickup once (in Colorado) and it was hit by the car in front of us. Awful. I'm just sorry that poor Irish Setter didn't manage to crap on Romney. He would have deserved it. Strapping a crate to the roof of the car???? This is the first time I have EVER heard of that and I have been part of the Dog Fancy for over 49 years!

Aw, gee, you went and got it wrong. L. Ron Hubbard founded Scientology. Joseph Smith was the father of Mormonism
Posted by jestgettinalong at 2007-06-28 09:02 AM

YEAH!

Wrong?

Let's see, aliens and volcanoes, a guy looking into a hat at magic stones?

Umm, nope, sounds about right --- both sound bat-shit crazy!

"I can see the Fake Plastics being apathetic to wife beaters and child abusers (their favorite pastimes)..."

Nawww...you got it wrong, RED, the favorite pastime of we "Fake Plastics" is observing and marvelling at the abject stupidity of posters such as yourself. We find your antics very entertaining.

if this is all the dirt they can pull up on the guy, he's not in bad shape. i doubt he'll win simply because of his religion, which only indicates how bad a shape the country's in.

"Wrong?

Let's see, aliens and volcanoes, a guy looking into a hat at magic stones?

Umm, nope, sounds about right --- both sound bat-shit crazy!" Posted by REDNECKVILLE

I have no idea how any of that relates to to how the info posted by VICKITHEBRIT was incorrect insofar as who was the founder of Mormonism. But then, you're so full of shit that you undoubtedly have a turd in EVERY pocket.

""i doubt he'll win simply because of his religion, which only indicates how bad a shape the country's in.""

Then a Scientologist could run and if he were rejected due to his religion would you feel the same way????
Is polygamy ok in Scientology??
Do Scientologists have to wear special underwear???

I think membership in a cult is a perfectly logical reason for rejecting a candidate.

I think membership in a cult is a perfectly logical reason for rejecting a candidate.

Posted by danni at 2007-06-28 09:42 AM

And I think this is one of the more bigoted statements I have read on the DR in the past little while. Why is it ok to think "differently" than mainstream America when it comes to gay marriage, abortion, etc. but if you're a mormon you're screwed? Does anyone else see the double standard being applied here? If a gay candidate ran, every liberal would be saying "being gay has nothing to do with politics". Well, I postulate that being a mormon (or catholic, or protestant, etc.) has nothing to do with Romney's politics either. If you don't like the guy, fine, but don't like him for a bigoted reason.

"I have no idea how any of that relates to to how the info posted by VICKITHEBRIT was incorrect"
Posted by jestgettinalong at 2007-06-28 09:40 AM |

YEAH!

Like anyone cares ----- no need "to to" stutter about it!

But since were talking about concocted cults and scams!

Did you know the Mormons drink urine while they pray to a Puff the Magic Dragon hat!

They are known as the religion of Pee!!

Ooops. Don't NOT like him for a bigoted reason... sorry, too early in the morning...

If we put "The Shrub" in a dog carrier on the roof of our SUV's.

Would he "soil" the back window like he did the White House?

He's pretty well crapped all over America already...
Or should I quote the darling of the Right, and say he's nincompooped all over America?

I don't care what religion a candidate holds, or whether they're gay, straight or a-sexual. I don't care if they are a Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, or Satanist.

If the above mentioned descriptors become the over-riding factors in the candidate's decision (instead of what's best for the country), THAT'S when I start having a problem.

Also, I'd rather not have a complete scum-dog in office again, at least not for a little while.



Hey, a guy can dream, right?

"Also, I'd rather not have a complete scum-dog in office again, at least not for a little while."

I don't know if I'd go so far as "scum dog", REV, but I sure hope we can break the Bush/Clinton monoply.

Jest,

We've not had a President I can truly be proud of in my entire life. True, the Bush/Clinton/Bush/(possibly)
Clinton thing is doubly irritating to me, but Going back to Nixon, we've had nothing but schlubs and swindlers in the Oval Office. Sure, some were worse than others, and sure, one or two of them had their hearts in the right place, but were incapable of doing anything useful.

Frankly, I think it's time we votged in someone who has never even remotely been involved in politics in their entire lives.




Or posthumously elect Dr. Hunter S. Thompson. If the rest of the world thinks we're screwed up now, wait till THAT happens!

Well, I postulate that being a mormon (or catholic, or protestant, etc.) has nothing to do with Romney's politics either.

A candidate's membership in the God squad informs his views on abortion, gay rights, stem cell research and many other issues.

I see nothing wrong with considering a candidate's religiosity when deciding who to vote for.

I don't know if I'd go so far as "scum dog", REV, but I sure hope we can break the Bush/Clinton monoply.
Posted by jestgettinalong at 2007-06-28 10:02 AM


YEAH!

Says the "Jeb Bush 08" heavy breather of not so long ago!


"I don't know if I'd go so far as "scum dog" Posted by jestgettinalong at 2007-06-28 10:02 AM

"Only the one YOU admire is a scum".Posted by jestgettinalong at 2007-06-18 01:04 PM


YEAH sure you wouldn't! You also just go about impugning a Purple Heart recipient's patriotism and reputation --- having no real evidence to back any of it up!
Would you like me to repost some of that disgusting rant as to illustrate how far you REALLY are willing to go?

"And I think this is one of the more bigoted statements I have read on the DR in the past little while."

Is it bigoted when Romney says atheists shouldn't lead the country????

""Romney: (Chuckling) "Let me, uh, let me offer just a thought. And that is, uh, one of the great things about this great land, is we have people of different faiths and different persuasions. And uh, I'm convinced that the nation, that the nation does need, the nation does need to have people of different faiths but we need to have a person of faith lead the country."


Me thinks that consideration of a candidate's belief system is a legitimate consideration WHICH the right has especially made one of their PRIMARY considerations.
Me thinks your statement is ridiculous.

I don't see this as a non-story. This is something that only a dipshit would do. It's important to know which candidates are dipshits. I'm glad this story came out.

ditto, joe.

""I don't see this as a non-story.""

I know many dog lovers personally who would consider this story quite revealing and I am pretty sure it would effect their vote. Dog lovers are pretty serious about their animals and do not take lightly any perceived cruelty.
I'm not political expert but from the dog lovers I know, this ain't a good thing for Romney if it becomes common knowledge. CAn't you just see the attack ads??? Reminiscent of Chevy Chase in Vacation.

"We've not had a President I can truly be proud of in my entire life." Posted by REVDARKO

Well, I have. It wasn't always a function of party membership either. I didn't vote for them, but I respected Truman and Eisenhower. First time I flew into Vietnam was during Eisenhower. I voted for JFK and was an admirer. I voted for LBJ too, but was disappointed. Since then, I've had trouble with MOST of the democratic candidates but still admired a lot that DIDN'T run. I can't say there's a single candidate from EITHER party that gets me excited nowadays.

The scary part about all this is that Romney comes across like a smart guy. It's unfortunate that we had to wait until Bush got into office before we could find out all the stupid things he'd do.

"Says the "Jeb Bush 08" heavy breather of not so long ago!"

You definitely have me confused with someone else, REDNECK. But then, your confusion doesn't surprise me.

"YEAH sure you wouldn't! You also just go about impugning a Purple Heart recipient's patriotism and reputation --- having no real evidence to back any of it up!
Would you like me to repost some of that disgusting rant as to illustrate how far you REALLY are willing to go?"

Repost it ALL, REDNECK, I still feel the same about Hanoi John. I was one of the people HE "impugned" after he returned from his "ardous" three month tour. While you're doing that, how about reposting ANY comments I ever made about Jeb Bush...embecile.

""I can't say there's a single candidate from EITHER party that gets me excited nowadays.""

I wasn't (am not) either but I am reading Al Gore's new book "An Assault on Reason" and I am beginning to think he might make a good pres. But hey, I'm a lib and I doubt you would like the same person as me though you do mention that you liked JFK.

Me thinks that consideration of a candidate's belief system is a legitimate consideration WHICH the right has especially made one of their PRIMARY considerations.

Posted by danni at 2007-06-28 10:32 AM

Point taken, Danni. Let me backpeddle a bit (is that allowed on the DR?) and try to more clearly state what I was meaning to say...

I was not advocating that we ignore Romney's beliefs, I was suggesting that it's wrong to simply discard him as a candidate because he is Mormon or because we don't understand his faith. When 30% of Americans say they will not vote for a person simply because he is Mormon, I think that is a problem (I also think it's a problem when people say they will not vote for Clinton b/c she is a woman, or Obama b/c he is black - or not black enough). Again, if you do not like Romney because of his politics or because you feel he flips on the issues too often, that is fine. It's when people say, "he is Mormon, so he should not be elected based on this 1 aspect" that bothers me.

"Repost it ALL, REDNECK, I still feel the same about Hanoi John. I was one of the people HE "impugned" after he returned from his "ardous" three month tour."

YEAH!

So maybe you are baby killer then!

But I wont go that far!

Well, I have. It wasn't always a function of party membership either. I didn't vote for them, but I respected Truman and Eisenhower. First time I flew into Vietnam was during Eisenhower. I voted for JFK and was an admirer. I voted for LBJ too, but was disappointed. Since then, I've had trouble with MOST of the democratic candidates but still admired a lot that DIDN'T run. I can't say there's a single candidate from EITHER party that gets me excited nowadays.

Ah. See, I only go back to Nixon's days. My whole life has been the era of scum-dog governance.

"" It's when people say, "he is Mormon, so he should not be elected based on this 1 aspect" that bothers me.""

It really isn't a criteria I consider either but many do and if Scientology or atheism is a reason to automatically reject someone then Mormonism could also legitimately be. I voted for Carter a born again Christian, Clinton a Christian, REid is a Mormon, I am agnostic....religion isn't really important to me....though I doubt that I could vote for a Rastafarian.

BTW contratulations to JUSTGETTINGALONG because Ronnie RAygun, the patron saint of the Republican Party, wasn't mentioned in the list of respected presidents. For that JUSTGETTINGALONG gets a "thinking for yourself and rejecting hype medal."

"I know many dog lovers personally who would consider this story quite revealing and I am pretty sure it would effect their vote."

I know many people with half a brain who would find this story revealing and am sure it would effect their vote. Dog aside (thank God it didn't die), this shows in general poor decision making abilities. The fact that this is being used as an example of "crisis management" by Romney only makes it worse.

""L. Ron Hubbard founded Scientology. Joseph Smith was the father of Mormonism""

Same difference. Both invented their own religions.

Posted by danni at 2007-06-28 09:21 AM | Reply

A guy I met at the University of Arizona, from a little Mormon town said,
"I could never believe in a God that was made in America."

i doubt he'll win simply because of his religion, which only indicates how bad a shape the country's in.

Posted by handsome_rob at 2007-06-28 09:35 AM | Reply |

Really, that's an indicator of how bad our country is in?

Brigham Young once famously bragged, "We have the greatest and smoothest liars in the world."

What someone believes DOES affect their attitude towards other people, towards other beliefs, affects their behavior, and on and on.

I would expect my religion to be used as an indicator of what I believed, felt and how I would behave. I'd hope someone would ask specifics, b/c not all groups within the same religion believe/practice the same thing.

And this does not necessarily amount to a "religious test."

Nawww...you got it wrong, RED, the favorite pastime of we "Fake Plastics" is observing and marvelling at the abject stupidity of posters such as yourself. We find your antics very entertaining.

Posted by jestgettinalong at 2007-06-28 09:33 AM | Reply

Then you need a fucking hobby. I hear that stamp collecting is good for the mindless.

""i doubt he'll win simply because of his religion, which only indicates how bad a shape the country's in.""

Well that and the problem with his insanity.

Well, I postulate that being a mormon (or catholic, or protestant, etc.) has nothing to do with Romney's politics either. If you don't like the guy, fine, but don't like him for a bigoted reason.

Posted by bartimus at 2007-06-28 09:52 AM | Reply

I think President George W Bush has acted fairly consistently with what he said about himself and is beliefs (religious and otherwise); most people who agreed voted for him, and got what they chose. Most people who disagreed with him know alot better now why they DIDN'T vote for him.

Don't stereotype all West Texas Methodists, or Christians, or ex-alcoholics, or people who have a poor grasp on the English language, etc as being like our President, but he has acted consistent with what he said (before election) about his worldview.

"34MenPerGuy"

LOL!!!!!!!

""but he has acted consistent with what he said (before election) about his worldview.""

Well....except for one tiny little thing....like a humble foreign policy with no nation building.

What someone believes DOES affect their attitude towards other people, towards other beliefs, affects their behavior, and on and on.

Posted by kirk at 2007-06-28 11:42 AM

I happen agree with this statement, but what annoys me is that so few people REALLY know or try to understand what Romney believes. If you were to only get your info from the DR, it would appear that all Mormons believe in polygamy, beating dogs, and drinking pee (the last attributed to Redneckville). Is there anything controversial in only the Mormon faith that "affect[s] their attitude towards other people, towards other beliefs, affects their behavior..."? People may have problems or concerns with the LDS religion, but unless these concerns cross directly over into politics, the sole fact that Romney is a Mormon should be low on your list of "reasons to not to vote for a candidate".

the sole fact that Romney is a Mormon should be low on your list of "reasons to not to vote for a candidate".....and just as the fact that some one is an Evangelical Christian should also be low on your list....

I didn't finish my thought...

and just as the fact that some one is an Evangelical Christian should also be low on your list....of reasons to for FOR someone.

Thank you Danni! BTW, I agree with you on your earlier post about an atheist candidate - IF I agreed with their platform, then atheism really shouldn't be the sole reason to not vote for them, and suggesting otherwise would be bigoted.

I'm releaved he's being exposed for the sick fuck that he really, really is.

Posted by redlightrobot at 2007-06-28 12:24 PM

Wow, you're entire troll post shows just how "tolerant and openminded" you truly are...

you're = your

Niceville? The PWZ's Niceville?
from the pwz:

"niceville said...
I pray for Rush because I know what it is like to be hooked on drugs and attracted to gay sex. "


So obviously his fixation with anything gay and/or anal is just a coping mechanism for having to live in the closet all the time. Ya know...wifey might get upset if Nicey recounts the "good times" of waking up next to his "best friend" on the beach. His name was Mike...right, Niceville?

Nicey wasn't gonna vote for Mitt cuz he was a mormon. But now that he knows he tortures the family dog?

Oh, it's on.

Niceville- Most of the blog knows what you and the PWZ crew have done to the women on this blog.

You're sick. Seek help.

"Oh that mother fucker...

well it was bound to happen at some point, but I finally found someone I who made me rather vote for Obama... thankfully he's not going to amount to much in the primary.

Posted by Rob_The_A_Hole at 2007-06-28 09:18 AM"

It is for this kind of post that I give Rob credit. There are posters here that defend literally anything done by any Repub, but Rob doesn't do that. Joe also gets credit for making a post that was both sensical and that didn't use the word douche, idiot, or cunt.

Danforth-

I pray for Rush because I know what it is like to be hooked on drugs and attracted to gay sex.

Please tell me you made that up. I knew nicey was bad...but holy shit.

That may be a misquote.

The original seems to have been "hooked on gay sex and attracted to drugs".

We don't don't want to misquote Memebers in good standing here. ;^D

Members

(NO Gnubsy! Not THAT kind! Really dear, what WOULD Baby Jesus think?)

you try and use being homosexual as a bad thing

It's only a bad thing when gays closet it, and then use that rage to stalk other people and post their names and addresses. Or think they can 'cure' their gayness.

Freak.

You take yourselves way too seriously

I don't make a new name every week cuz I got banned again, numbnuts. You really are a loathsome creature.

You know, I would think most atheists would have more self-respect than to haunt a blog they have been exiled from, much less a self-professed "christian".

"Monte, you are an idiotic, cunty douche. There, I did it.

Posted by JOE at 2007-06-28 12:54 PM"

PMS'ing again, huh Lil' Joe?

It was a joke, buddy.

"I'm releaved he's being exposed for the sick fuck that he really, really is.
Posted by redlightrobot at 2007-06-28 12:24 PM"

Wow, you're entire troll post shows just how "tolerant and openminded" you truly are...
Posted by bartimus at 2007-06-28 12:35 PM

Actually, you are right. Animal abuse shouldn't constitute a blight on someones character. It's who's dick they suck that makes the man.

I've never claimed to be open minded or tolerant to amoral people, ever.

Why would you support Romney knowing the Jupitarians are feeding him money and he's their serious replacement for Bush? Do you feel that Bush is getting a "bad rap" too?

Romney is a corporate paid whore who will continue instituting fascism.

Who's the troll now, dog?

"niceville said...
I pray for Rush because I know what it is like to be hooked on drugs and attracted to gay sex. "

Woah.. twisted queen alert.

Attracted? Jesus fucking wept.

"It was a joke, buddy.

Posted by JOE at 2007-06-28 01:00 PM"

So was mine. Admittedly not very funny, but so was mine.

Redlightrobot,
Check my other posts - I'm not advocating "Romney for Prez" or anything like that. I have simply been stating the entire time that Romney has been discounted by certain people over and over just because of his faith. When you make comments like...

" The Mormon community is creepy, and will remain unknowable, mainly for their silence and evasiveness.
A fun film exposing their history is Plan 10 From Outer Space. Really low-budget, but a funnish sex romp. Karen Black plays the Mormon god Nehor - and even has a musical moment about their home world Kolob.
I also highly recommend the South Park episode which is also historically accurate.

Posted by redlightrobot at 2007-06-28 12:24 PM"

...it seems like you are attacking Romney simply because of his faith. If you don't vote for Romney because of his politics, that's fine - but the post I quoted above makes it seem otherwise.

If someone is part of a cult, I think that should count against them. Mormons are a cult that's been around long enough to be a 'religion', but they still believe stupid shit.

Technically, all religions believe in some level of stupid shit, but Mormon's belief in Jesus coming to America is as dumb as a belief in Xenu.

YEAH!


There should be no Religious Litmus Test applied when considering a candidate for public office!

Unless of course we don't like their religion (or lack of it)!

---- The Evangelical Right!

BigJohn, can you tell me how Romney's "belief in Jesus coming to America" or any other Mormon belief not held by mainstream Christianity has any bearing on whether he would be a good President or not?

Redlightrobot,
Check my other posts - I'm not advocating "Romney for Prez" or anything like that. I have simply been stating the entire time that Romney has been discounted by certain people over and over just because of his faith. When you make comments like...

" The Mormon community is creepy, and will remain unknowable, mainly for their silence and evasiveness.
A fun film exposing their history is Plan 10 From Outer Space. Really low-budget, but a funnish sex romp. Karen Black plays the Mormon god Nehor - and even has a musical moment about their home world Kolob.
I also highly recommend the South Park episode which is also historically accurate.
Posted by redlightrobot at 2007-06-28 12:24 PM"

...it seems like you are attacking Romney simply because of his faith. If you don't vote for Romney because of his politics, that's fine - but the post I quoted above makes it seem otherwise.
Posted by bartimus at 2007-06-28 02:19 PM

Don't be so simple. If you understand anything about Mormonism you would realize it's a CULT with a CREATIVE HISTORY. I couldn't care less if they call themselves Godniks, they are still mutually believing in a fictious recreation of Native Americans, Mesopotamian stories from the Bible and the founding of Mormonism itself. It's entirely a basketload of asps. Also, freezing the gay away and electroshock should be outlawed as child abuse.

Fuck Mormons, Jews, Jesus and yourself. You are all entirely too stupid to appreciate critical analysis, so just relax in a warm bath of urine, fresh from my body and scrub away frightening words such as historical rewriting and polygamist pedophiles.

What I was "attacking" is the poor character of a purported presidential "hopeful" and his "personal beliefs".

And who are you to tell me what not to critique what's appropriate to keep secret? Cheney, Rummy, Condi or dummy?

BigJohn, can you tell me how Romney's "belief in Jesus coming to America" or any other Mormon belief not held by mainstream Christianity has any bearing on whether he would be a good President or not?
Posted by bartimus at 2007-06-28 03:15 PM

Uh, the fact that Mormons don't believe in the archaeological Native American history or that homosexuality isn't a choice? I think a few "mainstream Christians" as well as intelligent people find that offensive.

Actually, that his money is corporate also says quite a bit.

But look deeper - he kept the family dog in a cage without water or letting him out for TWELVE HOURS causing his dog to release his bowels ON THE CAR WHERE HE WAS CAGED. Don't you imagine the kids would be emotionally scarred? What about wifey? Mitt recalls this story with FONDNESS AND REVERIE. This is NOT a compassionate, loving or caring individual. He's strictly in this race for power and money.

Mitt Romney is a disgusting, cruel, moneygrubbing slimball, like virtually ALL right wingers.

I was not advocating that we ignore Romney's beliefs, I was suggesting that it's wrong to simply discard him as a candidate because he is Mormon or because we don't understand his faith. When 30% of Americans say they will not vote for a person simply because he is Mormon, I think that is a problem (I also think it's a problem when people say they will not vote for Clinton b/c she is a woman, or Obama b/c he is black - or not black enough). Again, if you do not like Romney because of his politics or because you feel he flips on the issues too often, that is fine. It's when people say, "he is Mormon, so he should not be elected based on this 1 aspect" that bothers me.
Posted by bartimus at 2007-06-28 10:57 AM

You might want to re-read my post regarding Plan 10 and South Park. They are quite educational regarding the Mormon faith from inception to it's current "form".
I wouldn't consider them the "end all", however it should streamline the discussion to "Why are Native Americans cursed?", and "What medical evidence or information are you relying on when you freeze and electrocute homosexuals in private institutions?"

Let me amend my "The Mormon community is creepy" to "The Mormon community is creepy and abusive".

Through with the strawmen, ad hominem attacks, and general blanket statements about mormonism yet? When you are, we can continue the discussion...

My argument is not whether Romney is a good Presidential candidate. I'm not arguing the virtues (or, in your opinion, the lack thereof) of the Mormon church. I AM arguing that I think it is bigoted to take the position you have taken solely based on his faith. You do make some good points about corporate $$$. Try sticking to these more fact based, less emotional points. That's all I'm arguing.

BTW, just for the record, I think it was a crappy thing he did to that dog.

BTW, just for the record, I think it was a crappy thing he did to that dog.
Posted by bartimus at 2007-06-28 04:19 PM

Good, because that's the most important point - he was abusive to the least capable in his family, and relaying this story as a "positive", unwittingly makes him appear monstrous. His lack of awareness is possible religious programming and I certainly don't care either way. I've dated a Mormon - yes, he was instantly sent on his mission to Australia once the church found out about me. They are paranoid about gays and have developed "treatment" facilities to "cure" us.

Bartimus, I want to be friendly, but the facts about Mitt and his "faith" are the facts. Romney doesn't believe that homosexuality is inborn, and I don't give a rats ass about his attitude towards Mozambique. I want the RIGHT to marry and will never, ever vote or support anyone opposed to that.

This means every single rightwinger moron on this blog as well, but they already have been fucking themselves looong before I told them to.

Thanks for sharing that, Redlightrobot. I guess maybe I have become a bit disillusioned when it comes to the presidency - while a hot topic issue, I don't think whomever the next president is will be able to do anything for or against gay marriage. By the end of 2008, the issue will have already been decided in certain states and should be on the ballots of all states. Personally, I'm a 10th amendment fan - forget what the fed. gov't says about it and let the states individually decide on the issue. (I feel this way about abortion as well, but that's a whole nutha discussion!)

I love it!

Let the dirty politics begin!

Play Ball, bitches!

It is unfortunate that the important points of this story are being overlooked by the obsession with Mitt Romney's religious beliefs.
I don't know nor do I care if Mormonism helped make him this way or not.
The key points of this story, which should be MAJOR facts to consider before anyone would even dream of voting for this man are:
A) His admitted cruilty toward animals. Abuse of animals is a key sign of sociopathic personalities. There were those who say that what he did was no different than a hunter putting his dogs in the pickup. NOT TRUE, unless that hunter hauls his dogs 600-700 miles in order to hunt. Even then, there is a big difference between hauling the dogs in the bed of a pickup and strapping their cages on the roof of the vehicle. Add to that the weather factor. Someone researched the weather in Mass when they took that trip and found that it was in the 80's and sunny when they made that trip (the person used Internet weather records to verify this). This would have made the stress on that dog extreme, with Romney's "makeshift windshield" actually making it worse yet.
Hardly a minor incedent, if you really think about it.
B) More importantly, his attitude towards his children. They were instructed that he had planned the stops for gas and that there would be NO stops outside of those should the children need to go to the bathroom. The only exception he made was if his wife needed to use a restroom, in which case he would stop for her and ONLY her.

I am not making this up, the conditions described for the dog were made by Mitt Romney himself and the rules about no stops for restroom breaks was stated by his children.

What do these points tell me? That Mitt Romney is a heartless man, not caring about anybody's suffering except for his wife's.
A person like this would be even more of a disaster formy nation than the Village Idiot. As a Republican,I can promise you that I will not be voting for him in the upcoming Primary. NOT because he is a Mormon, but because he is a disaster for the USA.

Thanks for sharing that, Redlightrobot. I guess maybe I have become a bit disillusioned when it comes to the presidency - while a hot topic issue, I don't think whomever the next president is will be able to do anything for or against gay marriage. By the end of 2008, the issue will have already been decided in certain states and should be on the ballots of all states. Personally, I'm a 10th amendment fan - forget what the fed. gov't says about it and let the states individually decide on the issue. (I feel this way about abortion as well, but that's a whole nutha discussion!)
Posted by bartimus at 2007-06-28 05:53 PM

I honestly believe that organized religion is detrimental to the governance, particularly the Presidency. There are too many loopholes when doing "god's" bidding and getting paid for it. How Bush fools Christians is well beyond my ability to rationalize.


More importantly, his attitude towards his children. They were instructed that he had planned the stops for gas and that there would be NO stops outside of those should the children need to go to the bathroom. The only exception he made was if his wife needed to use a restroom, in which case he would stop for her and ONLY her.
I am not making this up, the conditions described for the dog were made by Mitt Romney himself and the rules about no stops for restroom breaks was stated by his children.
Posted by TheShyGuy at 2007-06-28 06:33 PM

Thanks for the data. This is certainly a very exploitable situation for the Dem and independent hopefuls. I wonder if it will be ignored to place the corporate whore in position?

Lemme get this straight...

The guy who sed at the debates that he wanted to "double the size of Gitmo" also has no problem mistreating his supposed family pet and then making light of that mistreatment.

At least the muthafooker is consistent.

Mitt Romney.

I was for torture before I was for torture.

That ought to please some of the more bloodthirsty folk on the right.

Spud luffs all the RTs trying to downplay this incident.

Their ability to rationalize irrational behaviour is quite staggering at times, innit?

And yes, "Religiosity" is always in play.

Rightfully so.

Be Well.

I AM arguing that I think it is bigoted to take the position you have taken solely based on his faith.
Posted by bartimus at 2007-06-28 04:16 PM | Reply

Brigham Young once famously bragged, "We have the greatest and smoothest liars in the world."

The LDS church has a long history of denying, lying and/or obfuscating facts about their history (which are verifiable).

Mitt Romney acts consistently with the 2 above points in his flip-flopping on abortion.

THAT is why I have a problem with Mitt, and not necessarily ALL Mormons.

If you were hard-core pro-abortion, and you knew a candidate was from a conservative Christian church, and you knew an individual had given money to prolife charities, you have every right to vote against that candidate knowing pretty-darn-well that they won't vote how you would like, Christian or not.

"Danforth-

I pray for Rush because I know what it is like to be hooked on drugs and attracted to gay sex.

"Please tell me you made that up. I knew nicey was bad...but holy shit."
Posted by I_N_Cognito

Nope. Pulled it right from the PWZ. He posted it twice, actually, then apologized for the double post, adding the importance of Jesus.

I have another one, too, of Nicey talking about "good times" waking up on the beach next to his "best friend", Mike.

Of course, I'd imagine having to have a beard-wife makes it tougher to go trolling for gay sex, which is why most of his posts tend toward the anal.

If this is the best shit you dems can come up with your bullshit candidates are in serious trouble for sure.

Never heard of Mitt stealing the White House furniture, or collecting FBI background files on top Republicans, or hiding Rose Law Firm billing records, or removing files from Vince Fosters Office after his death, or holding secret meetings behind closed doors for her health care task force, or being knee deep in Whitewater and Castle Grande land swindels, or helping her brother collect hundreds of thousands of dollars selling pardons to the highest bidder.

Hell it hurts my brain just to think of all the criminal shit she and her dipshit husband has done.

Hey, but don't let a little thing like serious criminal activities keep you from supporting and voting for her.

re:
Hell it hurts my brain just to think of all the criminal shit she and her dipshit husband has done.

I can see where it might, as I don't recall any indictments or convictions of the Clintons, aside from that lying about a blowjob bit.

So, basically, "Youknew", we had a partisan special prosecutor delve into every aspect of the Clinton's lives for years and at the expense of scores of millions of dollars, and here's what you got:

Bill lied about getting a blowjob.

Boyd, go to bed, it's late.

Gorehog-
That's the most erudite comment I've heard from you so far, "Gorehog".

Oh, wait, that seems to be the only comment you've ever made.

And it was about me. How sweet.

Don't get all misty eyed.

What are you doing up so late, insomnia?

Why are you posting under a different name?

Why does anyone do anything?

I was going to go to bed hours ago, but I found a nice warm hairball on my pillow and sheets from my cat.

What a sweet kitty.

As long as you asked, I thought I would get up early and celebrate the destruction of the Republican party. It's not likely they'll recover for a decade or two, so I've decided not to miss a sunrise from here on out.

Sounds good.....btw, I am not youknewho, althought I know who that is.

I know everything, you should know that by now.

Too bad you don't remember your name. But, I must say that I'm losing patience with your goofy schtick about right now.

Hahahaha.

Always so angry Boyd.

I never use 'schtick'. After all these many years we have known each other, you still misunderstand me.

I don't like politics anymore. I prefer real conversation.

People change.

Have you changed Boyd?

Romney will still be relatively young nine years from now, and a Republican might have a chance then.

He'd have to deal with a solidly Democratic Congress, but only for four years.

Still don't remember me?

Damn shame. I do hope your life is going well Boyd, I always have.

"I prefer real conversation."

You mean, like, where you make up a name and play some childish little game because the party you shilled for for years has been revealed to be such a complete disater for both the nation and the world that all you are left with is some virtual mind game that would embarass a model-glue sniffing pubescent comic book freak?

My life is going great. It's been fun, whoever you are (yes, this will be my last post if you persist with the insipid name game)

Boyd, come on now, search your memory banks.

I am astonished at poor most bloggers are at figuring out who the players are.

I saw you were awake and just wanted to say hi.

You know me alot better then you think.

Ok man, have a good one.

Boyd, come on now, search your memory banks.
Posted by gorehog at 2007-06-29 06:08 AM

What, are you Tron?

""Hey, but don't let a little thing like serious criminal activities keep you from supporting and voting for her.""

Oh, like the latest Hillary attack book with "NEW???" revelation......OMG!!!!....she once overbilled someone $1200.00 but the author admits that it was a one time thing....OMG!!!!...the horror...what a criminal.
70 million dollars and you guys still can't pin anything real on the Clintons....must keep y'all up at night....plotting....seething.
...praying.""....Oh jesus, just let us bring down the Clintons and the world will be so wonderful....cuz, cuz.....cuz Bill got a blow job OMG!!!""

"According to the Boston Globe, in one of the family's 12-hour drives to their family's cottage in Canada over 25 years ago, Romney strapped a dog carrier to the roof of the car for the whole trip -- with the family Irish setter, Seamus, inside."

Are you serious!? You mean to tell me this happened "over 25 years ago?" How far back are these people gonna dig for dirt on these candidates? I mean, My God, this is MAJOR! No wonder we can't find any more Jeffersons, Lincolns, FDR's, Trumans, Eisenhowers, JFK's and the like. Could ANY of them stand up to this scrutiny?

-You mean to tell me this happened "over 25 years ago?"

The dog is still pissed.

"The dog is still pissed."

LOL...I would be too. The top of the car wouldn't be the ONLY place I took a dump.

-You mean to tell me this happened "over 25 years ago?"

The dog is still pissed.

Posted by Corky




Must be about the oldest dog on the planet.

"""According to the Boston Globe, in one of the family's 12-hour drives to their family's cottage in Canada over 25 years ago,""??????

Canada????
What???
America isn't good enough for Romney???
I knew there was something I didn't trust about him....a commie for sure.
And he hates dogs and children....well Iraqi children, American dogs.

Um... a little late getting back to you jestgettinalong ... I'm aware he's a mormon. I'm also aware that his favorite book is "BattleField Earth" by L. Ron Hubbard. That was what I was referring to.
Sorry if I'm a little too subtle for you.

Um... a little late getting back to you jestgettinalong ... I'm aware he's a mormon. I'm also aware that his favorite book is "BattleField Earth" by L. Ron Hubbard. That was what I was referring to.
Sorry if I'm a little too subtle for you.
Posted by vickithebrit at 2007-06-29 11:38 AM

Mitt must gain leverage over the ratbrains.

BigJohn, can you tell me how Romney's "belief in Jesus coming to America" or any other Mormon belief not held by mainstream Christianity has any bearing on whether he would be a good President or not?

Posted by bartimus at 2007-06-28 03:15 PM

In relation to Mormons being a cult. They believe totally irrational and nonsensical things. Anyone who is warped enough to believe that nonsense is not in the position of making good decisions elsewhere. One must question his ability to think rationally. It's one thing to believe in Jesus and be a Christian (which entails some stupid stuff I will admit). But if anyone believes that nonsense, or if they believe the world was created 6000 years ago, well they are obviously capable of being incredibly retarded, and therefore should not be president.

Danni, I know you can't be as stupid as you are acting.

The prosecutor who looked into the Castle Grandre scheme had drawn up a sealed indictment for Hillary only to have his superiors at the Justice Dept.(Janet Reno & Co.) refuse to allow him to serve her.

Hell if Ronnie Earl can indict someone for a law that didn't exist and you support that surely you support a real indictment for a real law that was broken.

Wait let me guess you decide your opinions based on what party the person belongs to.

Danni, I know you can't be as stupid as you are acting.
The prosecutor who looked into the Castle Grandre scheme had drawn up a sealed indictment for Hillary only to have his superiors at the Justice Dept.(Janet Reno & Co.) refuse to allow him to serve her.
Hell if Ronnie Earl can indict someone for a law that didn't exist and you support that surely you support a real indictment for a real law that was broken.
Wait let me guess you decide your opinions based on what party the person belongs to.
Posted by YouKnewWho at 2007-06-29 12:42 PM

Level some critique where it's due - the impeachment (which, btw didn't officially happen) was a sham.

Also, if we play catch and release with DeLay there is absolutely no way that Hillary will be "served".

Oh, and you are such a partisan dick. :]

I'm amazed how bigoted some Democrats become when it comes to religion considering the constant demand for PC elsewhere.

BigJohn - You're an ignorant tool. Many brilliant people believe things that are "nonsensical" to other brilliant people. It's an idiotic standard you're suggesting. Go through any religion (or other belief system) that is not your own and you will find "nonsensical" beliefs. Only when one's religion affects their policy should it be considered a factor. For this reason America was formed -- so that all people could believe whatever they wanted w/o being persecuted or discriminated against for it.

Mormons vary on political issues and should not be red-flagged regarding politics by either side: compare Orin Hatch w/Harry Reid -- both devout Mormons and they don't agree on anything else.

When people on the right gay bash or use racial slurs I am disgusted and I call them out. It's disturbing that no one on the left felt such a need on this religiously biggoted thread.

When people on the right gay bash or use racial slurs I am disgusted and I call them out. It's disturbing that no one on the left felt such a need on this religiously biggoted thread.
Posted by Jonesy at 2007-06-29 08:34 PM

Asshat - Mormons send their gay children into institutions where they are submerged in tubs of ice and shocked in attempts to un-gay them. Can you guess what the results are?

For FUCK'S sake, if you are going to go after "intolerant" liberals at least READ THE THREAD FIRST.